These Olympics should mark the end of the Dream Team
By Phil Branagan, 14 Aug 2012 Phil Branagan is a Roar Rookie
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The gold medal for the most predictable gold medal of the 2012 Olympic Games went to the USA’s men’s basketball team. I think we can do away with that predictability – and I think I have a way to do it.
The 2012 team was pretty handy.
It won all its lead-up games by a huge margin and was too good for Spain in the final, even if the margin was a somewhat slender seven points.
Last month, Kobe Bryant said that in his opinion, his 2012 team would beat the ’92 edition – but then, he would say that. The only man who was a member of both teams, USA head coach Mike Krzyzewski, has been courteously silent on the matter.
You will have noticed that I have avoided assigning the 2012 team the somehwhat lazy ‘Dream Team’ epithet. In my opinion, the original NBA-based team, from the ’92 Olympics, was the one true Dream Team. Ewing, Bird, Jordan, Stockton and Malone, and Magic Johnson.
Need I go on?
But I want to make some changes that would see Team USA work for a medal of whatever colour and, maybe, even undergo a dramatic loss in the pool matches, in the same way as Russia had to bounce back from a loss to the Boomers to take a deserved bronze.
Several pundits have offered the opinion that the way to do this is through eligibility, and install the example used in Olympic football. This would see teams limited to choosing a majority of players who are under 23, plus a select number of over age players.
NBA Commissioner David Stern and the sport’s international body FIBA support this plan, with the added layer of promoting a ‘Super’ tournament (without any such restrictions) separate to the Olympics.
Part of the reason would be that such a tournament would be a lucrative one for whoever owns it, which in this case would be, presumably, the NBA and FIBA.
Several high-profile people in the sport oppose this idea, notably Russia’s American-born head coach, David Blatt. He said recently that the USA’s basketball program, in which the NCAA collegiate system delivers NBA-ready players to the pro draft every year, means that America would have, potentially, an even bigger advantage under that plan than they have now.
Certainly, the form of Anthony Davis in London backs this up theory. The University of Kentucky Wildcat was a late call-up to Team USA and gets to make his NBA debut with New Orleans later this year as an Olympic gold medallist, as well as a multi-millionaire. He is 19.
So, here is the plan: there are no age restrictions, but squads must include no more than six players from any one league.
Team USA is not going to be the only team affected by this. Spain and Brazil each had seven players from their domestic leagues playing in London. Russia had eight from its league and three teams had 11; Tunisia, China and the USA (providing we count Davis as still, technically, a collegiate player).
That may not be fair on the minnows, so maybe the Branagan Plan should be applied only to the top seeds (say, eight or 10 teams) based on recent international rankings.
In a heartbeat, the challenge changes. The USA won its pool games by, mainly, staying close to (or just in front of) its opponents in the first two quarters before, in the third, taking a Kobe or a Carmelo off the bench and letting slip the dogs of war.
Having superstars come off the bench meant that they were much fresher than they would be at the same stage of an NBA game, in which they would have played far more minutes, and they scored accordingly.
Limit the number of marquee players and suddenly, the USA’s coaching staff face the challenge of balancing their stars and not-quite-yet-stars – just like every other team.
It would also give some other American players the opportunity to showcase their wares. There are other leagues in the USA, like the ABA, and foreign domestic leagues are full of American-born players. Compared to the NBA, the NCAA may be full of youngsters, but if the best players can handle March Madness, the Olympics should be a snap.
Basketball changes all the time; the three-point line, the shot clock, the square key. Heck, the NBA changed its own eligibility rules six years ago, to discourage talented kids from following the example of Bryant, LeBron James and Kevin Garnett and nominating for the NBA Draft straight from high school.
It has worked, to a degree, so maybe the time has come to extend the thinking to the Olympics.
Team USA would get no more automatic gold medals. And the of the World would get a fighting chance. Okay, those outcomes still may not be foregone conclusions – but in sport, that is the way it is supposed to be.
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August 14th 2012 @ 2:12am
Me too said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:12am | Report comment
Or we could just throw the sport out of the Olympics?
August 14th 2012 @ 2:38am
JVGO said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:38am | Report comment
The margin was 7 points and Spain led at various points throughout the game. They were maybe a Rubio and another shooter away from winning the game convincingly. Who wouldn’t want to watch that quality game of basketball every four years? Why don’t we get rid of diving or track cycling which are dominated by China and GB to pretty much the same extent.
August 14th 2012 @ 4:55am
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 4:55am | Report comment
basketball is on a global decline..euroleague has seen fast dwindling crowds and standard of play the last few years..argentina and spanish players are aging..average age for argentinian olympic team is 32..sports like everything else come and go..the world is finally smarting to a sport that is basically dribbling a ball and putting it in a hoop..there are also more exciting sports now available for tall people to excel..only six percent (declining) of nba rosters are foreign players and that’s spreading it very thin for other countries to be competitive at the international level..america will always dominate because their system identifies potential all stars at high school, put them in college and prepare them for the pro-ranks..no other country can compete with that..there is huge megabucks involved..
August 14th 2012 @ 7:10am
Johnno said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:10am | Report comment
-I support under-23′s Olympic basketball suggestion.
Coz right now basketball has 2 world titles in a 4 year cycle, and it devalues both. Like soccer and rugby only has 1 world title each 4 year cycle, the world cup, basketball must do the same.
7evens rugby now an olympic sport, the IRB is scrapping the sevens world cup after the last one is held in Moscow Russia in 2013.
Either scrap seniors olympics basketball, or scrap the FIBA world cup. you can’ have 2 world titles every 4year cycle it makes both tournaments devalued and meaningless.
Soccer only has 1, basketball should do the same in my opinion.
And olympics can not operate with just 12 teams anymore in my opinion, what a joke for a global sport in 2012 , it is the IOC fault not FIBA’S, as FIBA have wanted to expand. 20 years ago in 1992 yes 12 teams was okay, but the basketball landscape is totally different now in 2012.
The sport of basketball is now now global basketball a global sport and more depth 12 teams at an Olympics is simply not enough, as so many good teams miss out to participate who are capable of winning the olympic gold, or getting and olympic medal.
Greece,Italy,Croatia,Turkey,germany,serbia for example as teams that can win gold or a medal.
And they are all all not there, but nigeria and tunisia are.
That massively is a joke and delvalues the tournament and undermines credibility and it’s meaningfulness , the credibility and satisfaction, of winning the gold medal, knowing so many good teams are not there who were capable of winning the gold medal coming no 1..
The Europe teams mentioned above, are all as good as spain,argentina, Australia, lithuania, .
These teams really should be there at the London Olympics in 2012.
More teams for europe i say you need at 12 eurobasket teams as USA and europe are the hub.
So many europe teams not at Olympics where as nigeria and tunisia there, coz europe gets limited spots, that is a joke and licking in credibility if olympics in future only stay at 12 teams.
FIBA and IOC must make choice if global basketball is to expand, and also make more revenue.
-I support the basketball world cup business model, as basketball can have it’s own world cup like soccer.
-24 or 32 teams, not 12 like at Olympics.
-And more Europe teams and maybe more from Asia-pacific and north america eg canada type teams, and New Zealand, and holland.
-Coz at the moment in Olympic basketball it is unfair with only 12 teams how nations like Nigeria and Tunisia are there,.
-But top basketball nations like Greece,italy,serbia,croatia, Germany, and Turkey are not at the Olympics.
-in the future if another Olympics is run with only 12 teams i think it will devalue olympic basketball, as so many good teams are not there.
-So i think basketball has to make a choice what it values each 4 year cycle. Basically only have 1 world title each 4 year cycle like soccer.
-Either basketball world cup or senior men’s olympics. I don’t think you can have both anymore. in reality 2 world titles every 4 years in the cycle.
-As a fan i support a basketball world cup overwhelmingly, as more teams 24 or 32 like in soccer. And many of my friends who are basketball fans to prefer that model to.
Make basketball at olympics under 23, 21, or under 20, and make the pinnacle or no 1 senior world title the basketball world cup.
Unless the IOC is willing to expand then i don’t know, but i still think a FIBA world cup focused just on basketball like the soccer world cup is more meaningful.
-And once a new tradition and history starts, people start to like it. The thought of soccer players wanting to scrap the soccer world cup and making the olympics a senior tournament would be unthinkable.
-Maybe have a rule where 1 , ,2 or 3, senior over aged players are allowed to participate in each team per olympics, like soccer, but i am not sure if it would work in basketball I simply don’t know.
-The other advantage of and under-23 basketball title is it gives a lot of young up an coming players the chance to show there skills, and win pro contracts or improve there pro contracts with good performances, at a non senior tournament like the Olympics great exposure for younger talant, and good experience to develop there game with high level competition, just like in soccer.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:41am
Bondy. said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
It still deosnt make the earth move for me Johnno basketball,and they have all their stars there as well unlike the football a restircted event to keep the stars out Cr7 and Messi.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:59am
Mark Roth said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
If we’re going to kick NBA players out of the Olympics, let’s ban IPL players from the Cricket World Cup and Super 15 players from the Rugby World Cup.
I realize that one country dominates and will continue to dominate basketball for the foreseeable future. I have no interest in watching a international basketball tournament that doesn’t offer the best players from the participating countries.
August 14th 2012 @ 8:03am
Johnno said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Well that is why basketballs moving to a basketball world cup starting in 2014. it will have it;s own world cup with out th need for senior olympic title. Soccer does it Mark Roth.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:02pm
Mark Roth said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:02pm | Report comment
Let’s see:
1) Soccer has a 23 and under tournament as a compromise between protecting its very old World Cup and having something in the Olympics.
2) I don’t watch the Men’s soccer tournament because it is both not the best players and because of its strange “23 and under plus 3 overage players” rule.
3) The situation is not comparable, no one kicked full soccer national teams out of the Olympics because one team won too much.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:31pm
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:31pm | Report comment
If I’m not mistaken, I read somewhere that soccer did send their top players to the Olympics but had a big spat with the IOC when it was decided to no longer hold soccer matches in the main Olympic Stadium..that’s why the idea of under 23 tournament came about..that soccer really cannot withdraw from the olympics because they need to have a presence there and because soccer, ok association football, was an Olympic Sport long before FIFA was established..
August 14th 2012 @ 7:50pm
MV Dave said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:50pm | Report comment
Men’s Football doesn’t need to have a presence at the Olympics…it is the Olympics that need it. Football consistently draws the highest attendances at each Olympics.
Top players from the West haven’t featured in the Olympics because up until recent decades it was for Amateurs and the best footballers were professionals. When professionals were allowed FIFA mandated an under age comp so as to protect the WC.
Nothing to do with final matches being played at the main stadium…for London 2012 Wembley drew higher attendances than the Olympic Stadium anyway.
August 15th 2012 @ 12:59am
Rugby Fan said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:59am | Report comment
Football has good total crowds in London but it also had the largest number of unsold tickets by a country mile.
The Olympics don’t need football for finance and audiences. The IOC wants to keep football because it has a long history in the Games, and they believe it lends credibility to the event as a celebration of global sport.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:29am
Phil Branagan said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Many teams had at least 1 NBA player in their squads, including France, Australia and Nigeria. I am not advocating kicking NBA players out of the Games, I am suggesting that we LIMIT the number of players from that, and every other, league. What I am saying is, if Team USA has to mix’n'match players from different leagues, it will potentially level the playing field. Team USA can still include Kobe, LeBron, Carmelo, Durant, Chandler and Love — but they have to find 6 players from other leagues to fill out the squad.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:46am
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:46am | Report comment
hello, dream team had at least 400 nba players to pick from..
August 14th 2012 @ 12:08pm
Andyroo said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
it was only a couple of Olympics ago that they failed to medal and their are a lot of Olympic events that aren’t so competitive. Korea has won the women’s archery gold for the last 7 Olympics …. good luck getting them to agree to being handicapped.
There are a lot of boring sports at the Olympics that even if the gold is sewn up Basketball still has them beat (looking at you baminton) entertainment wise.
Every year the NBA gets more internationalised and the gap narrows so I would suggest just waiting it out. In a way the USA teams dominance is a bit of a draw and a talking point. I bet the TV ratings are higher with them involved as opposed to a more even completion. Sad but true but hopefully in say 20 years we have both.
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August 14th 2012 @ 2:03pm
Rugby Fan said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
I don’t care for any Olympic event which doesn’t showcase the best players, and highest standard of sport. I’d have football out of the schedule for that reason. If basketball wants to go back to handicapping, then I wouldn’t be upset to see it go either.
One of the difficulties with global team sports is finding the time to play the matches. It’s all very well talking about expanding the number of teams but where is the space in the schedule?
One of the bigger difficulties for basketball is the lack of competitiveness in the womens game. A key reason baseball and softball were dropped is that too many of the softball matches were one-sided. The Olympic movement now favours sports where there is a high standard of competition in both mens and womens events. America routed France 86-50 in London which isn’t a good look.
August 14th 2012 @ 4:37pm
Worlds Biggest said | August 14th 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
In the USA’s case why not implement a 50/50 split between NBA and College players in the aquad.
August 15th 2012 @ 4:34am
JVGO said | August 15th 2012 @ 4:34am | Report comment
Because teams like Spain would then demolish them. Also most of the US NBA superstars would not bother playing if they were going ot be handicapped and flogged like that, it wouldn’t be good for their brands. the simple fact is that without absolute top tier NBA talent the USA is not even competitive in international basketball. FIBA rules are different, (well the games are actually played by the rules) the reffing is different, the style of play is different. Other countries are actually better at it than the USA and even with vastly inferior players like Spain can give the US a run for their money at it.
And while we are at it why don’t we make usain Bolt compete with his shoes tied together, who would ever want to see him so predictably win the 100 metres, let’s give the other guys a chance.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:06pm
Mark Roth said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:06pm | Report comment
It still seems to me, and I become more convinced the more that I hear it, that this plan was created by David Stern to end the risk to the NBA of losing star players at the Olympics without much reward. Kick the NBA stars out of the Games and move them to a tournament the NBA controls to minimize risk to NBA club owners and maximize their money making potential.
It also still seems to me, and I become more convinced the more that I hear it, that this plan is really only supported by people who do not want to see the NBA players lead the US to victory after victory. Some people seem to want honest competition while I feel that there are people who just don’t want to see the Yanks win.
August 14th 2012 @ 11:07pm
amazonfan said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:07pm | Report comment
I hate seeing the US win (at anything) but that doesn’t mean I want to change the rules. I like the basketball as it is.
August 14th 2012 @ 11:22pm
amazonfan said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:22pm | Report comment
“NBA Commissioner David Stern and the sport’s international body FIBA support this plan”
Not true. FIBA opposes it.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/08/13/fiba-rejects-david-sterns-idea-of-hoops-olympic-age-limit/
I don’t think the rules should be changed at all. The US isn’t as dominant as they once were, most people want to beat the best, and plenty of sports tend to be dominated by particular countries.
These proposals, to make it less predictable, really annoy me. The players like it the way it is, the coaches like it the way it is, and if you find the US to be too dominant,, then avoid the US games. There has been some amazing basketball in the Olympics, and not all involved the US.
August 15th 2012 @ 12:04pm
Phil Branagan said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
I had not seen that comment from FIBA at the time I wrote the Op piece, thanks for including it.