East vs West AFL All Star game will not work
By Michael DiFabrizio, 15 Aug 2012 Michael DiFabrizio is a Roar Expert
Jonathan Brown and Chris Judd after the Hall of Fame Tribute Match in 2008. (AFL Photos)
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There’s no question Australian Rules football needs a genuine form of representative footy, but the player-driven idea of an American style East-versus-West “All Star” game is a mindbogglingly stupid way to go about it.
According to the Herald Sun, the proposal – which could get a run as soon as 2014 – will see the Melbourne clubs split on geographic lines and teamed up with four interstate clubs.
Hawthorn and Collingwood both fall to Melbourne’s east, so their team would have the likes of Lance Franklin and Scott Pendlebury joining Gold Coast’s Gary Ablett.
Carlton and Geelong would be on the west team, so they’d have Chris Judd and Joel Selwood receiving West Coast star Nic Naitanui’s hitouts.
At least, that’s how it will be sold. In truth, while all that seems relatively nice on paper, there’s one key element missing: passion.
Does it really mean that much to people whether they live to the east or west of the Melbourne CBD? Do the people of Western Australia and South Australia really hate the eastern seaboard, just not the part that Judd and Selwood are on?
Will the people of New South Wales and Queensland have any reason to think this is anything more than a gimmick?
Okay, it works – sometimes – in the United States. But a large part of that is because the teams are already divided by conferences, so it isn’t contrived to see the teams grouped together in such a manner. There’s also history behind All Star games in a way that doesn’t exist here.
Perhaps most importantly of all, east-west rivalries have also existed in the US outside the sporting arena. Biggie and Tupac come to mind.
Clearly, things aren’t quite on the same level in Australia.
The only way for representative footy to work is if there’s genuine passion. For that, State of Origin is the only answer.
It has authenticity, history and bundles of passion. While the Hall of Fame tribute game in 2008 had those things on the Victorian side, the fact a contrived composite team was their opposition meant it wasn’t anywhere near as successful as it could’ve been.
Origin will always have detractors, sure. They seem to think that because the wheels fell off when the competition first went national that the same circumstances exist now. So much has changed that it’s not funny. But you’ve heard all this from me before.
A new one came from an article in The Australian by Ross Fitzgerald in the lead up to last weekend’s Sydney Swans-Collingwood clash at ANZ Stadium.
The title of the piece, worryingly, was, ‘Who needs AFL state of origin when Magpies and Swans can ruffle each other’s feathers?’.
“Collingwood is the biggest club in the biggest sporting competition in the nation,” Fitzgerald wrote.
“It leads the way in every area fathomable. While it is a club that could hold its own in comparison with some of the world’s biggest, it is also deeply, proudly, Victorian.”
Call me crazy, but was he seriously trying to suggest all of Victoria rallied behind Collingwood last week just because they played an interstate team?
Did that really get published in a national newspaper?
Clubs are not substitutes for state teams. They were for a while in WA and SA, where for a brief period there was only one club in each of those markets. But those days are certainly dead now – and they’ve always been dead in Victoria.
(For those Aussies who’ve been living under a rock their whole lives, I now feel obliged to point this out: There are more people in Victoria that hate Collingwood than people that love Collingwood. Don’t ever forget it.)
Representative footy is a marvellous thing. There’s something special about fans of different clubs momentarily putting aside their rivalries and support the same team.
But it has to be done in that way. Rep footy that divides Victorians, Western Australians and South Australians internally once again is pointless.
And there must be passion. That’s a non-negotiable.
Of course, the players might be thinking that their idea only takes one week out of the footy calendar and that Origin could not achieve that. But, at the risk of repeating myself once again, it can be easily accommodate that way.
So, players, the equation is simple. If you are going to do it, do it properly.
Otherwise, Victorians better get used to decking themselves out in black and white. Apparently that’s “your team” now.
Michael DiFabrizio is completing his journalism degree. As an AFL writer, he has been an expert columnist at The Roar since 2009, and appeared in The Age and on ABC television and radio. Follow Michael on twitter @mdifabrizio

August 15th 2012 @ 9:58am
mds1970 said | August 15th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
I would hope that any GWS player selected for such a game would suffer a broken fingernail or an attack of hypercondria that would rule them out of such a ridiculous contrived circus. Playing in such a game would only be to risk a real injury that could see a player miss some far more important club games.
Rep football died with Ted Whitten. Let it go.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:05am
Australian Rules said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Agreed.
It’s frustrating that the players push this silly wagon along.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:22am
GCS said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
East v West seems like a strange one. I think that the only all-star game that could work would be a Victoria V The Rest. Not sure how much passion people from outside of Victoria would have for it, being lumped into ‘the Rest’ category. Maybe the anti-Vic attitude would be enough to make it a success.
August 16th 2012 @ 3:32pm
Kasey said | August 16th 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
Nobody that really follows sport in America enjoys their all-Star game. For most fans its an uneccesasary interruption to the regular season, even when Baseball gave home field advantage to the winner of the AL v NL MLBASG it didn’t spice up that event. I’m pretty sure the NFL has seriously considered scrapping its ASG: The Pro-Bowl, no more post season holiday to Hawai’i/Miami for the players.
The only ASG I regularly watch is the MLS ASG, because it picks All the stars from that league and then pits them against a big-name European Club team like Manchester United(2011) orChelsea(2012)
I think in all honesty, the advent of the AFL has drained the passionate desire for footy fans to see State teams Oh I, like hundreds of other Roarers look forward every mid-Winter to the oh so predictable AFL should have SOO as the NRL version carries on.
Rep footy just doesn’t fit in the AFL footy universe. If the fans aren’t passionate about the game, the it just becomes a glorified training session and coaches will start leaning on players to withdraw lest they get injured mid season. The fans I know aren’t really passionate about the International Rules Series and I honestly wonder how many more years it has in it.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:33am
Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
“There’s no question Australian Rules football needs a genuine form of representative footy”
Yeah, there is. Australian Rules doesnt need anything that will cannibalise their existing very successful club competition.
As an example of the damage rep games do to clubs, I invite you to peruse the crowds for Paddington vs Randwick at cricket currently, and then examine this.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1302&dat=19051129&id=7jhVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6ZQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6469,7552009
August 15th 2012 @ 11:03am
Gr8rWeStr said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
I know this is one of your hobby horses Ian, but its simplistic to blame the demise in crowds at a Paddington v Randwick grade cricket match entirely on the existence of representative matches. There have been a few other changes in society since 1905 that could well have have contributed to a reduced attendance.
I do think its true that whenever a ‘higher’ level of any sport is introduced there is likely to be greater interest in that ‘higher’ level because the skills on show are likely to be of a higher standard. A higher standard, showcase game, can be used to interest new fans to the game and thus build the fan base at the club level. The key is the balance to maintain the ‘showcase’ status of any representative games. I think cricket and rugby union have over done representative games but think rugby league have it just about right.
August 15th 2012 @ 11:37am
Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
Gr8WeStr,
Nope, it works the other way around.
Fans of a code attend the highest quality of matches they can regularly get to.
Crowds at AFL reserves matches, NEAFL, SANFL and so on are appalling – fans of Australian Rules overwhelmingly go and see AFL games, as thats the highest quality of Australian Rules.
Rugby union has good attendances at Test matches, poor attendance at Super 15 and appalling attendance at club matches.
Its just how it works.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:19pm
Punter said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
Football has good attendances at club level in England & Germany & has good attendances at the Int’l level as well whenever England or Germany play.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:44pm
Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Punter,
In 2009, England played *six* home games total.
http://www.thefa.com/England/Results
August 15th 2012 @ 2:59pm
Punter said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
Rugby League State Of Origin 3 games a year & normally only 1 match at home for either NSW & Qld, so what is your point?
August 15th 2012 @ 12:48pm
Michael DiFabrizio said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
If (at most) one weekend per year is capable of cannibalising the whole competition, boy, the competition must be in a seriously weak state.
Oh wait, that’s right. It’s as strong as ever.
The game will be fine if Origin is brought back. If anything, it’ll be even bigger.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:08pm
Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Michael,
What NRL clubs do Harvey Norman sponsor ?
The answer is “none”. They want to be associated with the best rugby league offers, which is State of Origin. They certainly dont want to be associated with the feeder competition for it.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:40pm
Michael DiFabrizio said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
What AFL clubs do Harvey Norman sponsor Ian?
August 15th 2012 @ 1:47pm
Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/club%20partners/tabid/7701/default.aspx
August 15th 2012 @ 1:51pm
Michael DiFabrizio said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
So you say Harvey Norman want to be associated with the best a sport has to offer, then you tell me they sponsor Richmond.
Where were you going with this exactly?
August 15th 2012 @ 1:59pm
Ian Whitchurch said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Michael,
In AFL, club level is as good as it gets.
In NRL, its State of Origin.
In cricket and rugby, it’s national rep sides.
See the theme ?
And in every case, the levels below it are sacrificed.
August 15th 2012 @ 3:05pm
Michael DiFabrizio said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:05pm | Report comment
I see what you’re trying to say Ian, I just don’t see how it’s relevant. Just before you wrote that England in soccer played only six games in a year so it couldn’t have affected domestic crowds. Yet if there’s even one Origin game it would “cannibalise” the AFL? Sorry but that just doesn’t make sense.
August 15th 2012 @ 3:14pm
Punter said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
Exactly Michael, the Sate of Origin is over in Rugby League, are the players & fans switched of for the year, no the are now focused on the premiership, does the SOO “cannibalise” the Bulldogs or Sea Eagles fans who are now hoping their team win the premiership. I really don’t see Ian’s argument having much sense.
August 15th 2012 @ 3:15pm
Macca said | August 15th 2012 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
Don’t try and get sense out of Ian Michael, he still thinks the blues would be better off swapping Carrazzo for Karmichael.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:44am
Gr8rWeStr said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Maybe you are making the mistake of thinking the players call for to plat representative games is for the enjoyment of the fans rather than for the players to enjoy of playing with the best of the best against the best of the best.
I agree that from a fans perspective a state of origin based format would be the best option and I’m in favour of the concept. There is obviously a strong club tribalism in AFL that strongly opposes anything that might reduce their club’s chance of winning the premiership. I suspect its primarily a Victorian attitude because everyone knows Victoria is the dominant AFL state and they don’t need to show that by winning representative matches, its more important to them to win the VFL, even though it now called the AFL.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:45am
jsmith said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Totally agree with you Michael. How would Essendon players be more aligned with SA and WA players than would St Kilda players? It’s a handy way of dividing players, but it has little meaning.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:52am
Alfred Chan said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
This is up there with the worst way to have rep footy. Next we’ll have best A-L players vs M-Z players. Sounds enticing…
Anyway, There are no rep games with passion besides rugby state of origin and it comes up every year in the AFL talk around April. The NFL players don’t take the probowl seriously and the NBA players don’t take the all star game seriously but just being picked for those squads is a major achievement. The best way for the AFL to do representative footy is to simply name State of Origin teams but never actually play the games. They’ll get a major achievement on their resume and we won’t see fascicle football since players won’t be willing to put their bodies on the line. It would then make All-Australian honors even more prestigious.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:54am
Matt F said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
It could work. If it were in pre-season I could see people being attracted to a game with the best of the best in the AFL playing a fun, free-flowing, attacking brand of footy. It would be pure entertainment. Perhaps they could make a weekend of it like the NBA All-Stars weekend? I think the idea has potential if it is designed correctly. It would be succesful initially though the novelty could wear out quite quickly. One idea would be to take it around the country so that each year it’s played in a different city.
To be honest I don’t really care if it comes in or not but I do think that it could work if implemented properly.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:55am
brendan said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Agree with you Micheal this concept is pointless .I remember must have been late seventies watching the premiers Hawthorn take on an all star team that was interesting for about a quarter.IMO its either Vic versus the rest or the nine teams outside Melbourne versus tne nine Melbourne sides.
August 15th 2012 @ 11:09am
tonysalerno said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
It looks like a good idea on paper but it will not work- primarily because of the success of the NRL’s state of origin.
August 15th 2012 @ 11:36am
Macca said | August 15th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
There is no way this concept will work, supporters will not know which team they are supposed to support and as Michael rightly says won’t particularly care about the teams. Does a Hawthorn supporter living in Western Victoria barrack for the East or the West?
When I ssaw this in the paper the other day I thought, must be a slow news day in the AFL so they released this to fill some pages.