Ex-player commentators maintain the rage
A prominent football columnist derided the influx of retired players into the commentary ranks. “Most of them talk through their jockstraps and the quality of football journalism suffers with it”, he commented.
He may be right on the first point, ignoring the reference to jockstraps which, as far as I’m aware have never been worn in the modern era, if ever. Perhaps there he has inadvertently provided an argument for the superiority of ex players as commentators and journalists.
But we know what he’s referring to.
Commentary boxes and television programmes filled with multiple premiership winners and if not, then out-and-out champions, and plenty of “characters”.
Blokey blokes whose smart but ill fitting suits – not designed for thick necks and enlarged lats – can’t hide the warrior underneath… or stop the laughing. Whether it’s the pain killers for permanent injuries sustained from long-playing careers, or the realisation that they don’t have to hold down a normal job, some of these ex champs – Dermott Brereton and Tony Shaw come to mind – just can’t seem to stop giggling.
The recently retired players who have become commentators like Matthew Richardson, Brett Kirk and Cameron Ling are usually interviewing ex teammates and opponents so express an annoying over-familiarity, using nicknames and engaging in chit-chat.
However, I find the vast majority of these retirees excellent commentators – assured in the calling of the games, and insightful.
They provide an important counterbalance to the nerdy non players such as Bruce McAvaney, Anthony Hudson and Gerard Whateley who have an excellent grasp of the game but lack the knowledge that comes with the brutal business of playing.
And many of the ex player commentators (and coaches) provide excellent theatre by still retaining the aggressive, if slightly unnerving, mindset of the era in which they played.
Danny Frawley can be a genuinely funny man and he and his bull-necked co-commentator Jason Dunstall make an entertaining couple but some of their joking physical tussles sometimes seem to take on a more serious tone.
And then there is that intimidating stare – the dilated pupils and eyes seemingly aglow with unspent adrenaline – common to these entertaining madmen. Dunstall and Frawley can have it. So can Dermott Brereton, and even David King, Alastair Lynch, and Gerard Healy.
Healy wasn’t a hitman as a player but he certainly is a commentating provocateur.
Throughout Monday’s On The Couch programme, he made several pointed remarks to his “special guest”, Geelong coach Chris Scott.
With his trademark aggression and disconcerting grin (is he serious or having fun?) Healy took Scott to task for his negative comments about the abusive Perth crowd (“they have rightly taken offence at that because that element is in every crowd”) and his decision to play the badly concussed Tom Hawkins this week (“Despite the fact he was KO’ed he’s recovered OK?!”).
Scott had begun to shift uncomfortably in his comfy armchair but it wasn’t until discussion turned towards his captain Joel Selwood’s reprimand for an incident involving his brother Adam that the Fox Footy’s homely set, with its trophied mantelpiece and cozy fire, became a little too warm for him.
Embarrassed by his co host’s directness, Mike Sheahan tried to find some common ground with the Geelong coach by asking: “Talking of mistakes, please tell me that you’re going to appeal the Joel Selwood decision”.
The camaraderie generated from having guest and host on the same page was torched immediately, however, by Healy who was quick to point out: “But just on the principle though, he [Joel Selwood] has gone up and principally attacked a bloke”.
Then, when the two hosts get into a mild disagreement over the severity of Selwood’s actions (Sheahan: “‘Attacked’?”), Healy decides to not only bring up Scott’s infamous role in the establishment of the rule that a player is not allowed to make deliberate contact with an injured player but also to force Sheahan to admit that Scott’s hit on the seriously injured Nick Riewoldt in 2005 was a dog act, while the perpetrator – and the man he was trying to put at ease – was sitting across from him.
Then Paul Roos, hilariously playing the diplomat, abruptly turns to Scott and changes the topic: “Can I ask you about Stevie J?.”
Healy’s comment: “When Chris and his brother [Brad] attacked Nick Riewoldt up on the Gold Coast” wasn’t entirely correct. The game wasn’t on the Gold Coast but rather at the Gabba. The second player was Mal Michael, not Brad Scott, and, to be fair, Scott’s hit on Riewoldt was more incidental as his real target was his direct opponent Aaron Hamill who shortly afterwards removed two of Scott’s teeth with his elbow.
But the jewel in the crown of this incident – as mesmerising as any on-field tiff – were Scott’s words to Healy at the end of the segment. Scott is an articulate man but you sense he’d rather let his fists do the talking. Unaware the show was still on air and with those fists pressed firmly into the arms of his chair, he suddenly turfed the polite high-pitched interviewee voice for a more threatening baritone as he called out Healy: “Are you going to apologise to Brad?”
The segment ended with the image of a leering Scott, an open-mouthed Sheahan, an embarrassed looking Roos, and a still smiling Healy. Priceless
Aggression on the ground it seems is being slowly snuffed out. Let’s hope these old boys keep it alive on the television.
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August 16th 2012 @ 5:21am
peeeko said | August 16th 2012 @ 5:21am | Report comment
i dont like when they are rushed straight into the job after they retire basically with no training and no one even checking if they are any good. occurs in many sports, grant hackett on wwos is a shocker
August 16th 2012 @ 8:09am
Justin2 said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:09am | Report comment
You’re kidding if you think Scotty didn’t try to smash NR. He knew exactly what he was doing.
The boys room feel is too much for me, I’ll take Healy over all of them. He calls it as he sees it and isn’t interested in being matey. That’s not his or any other of the ex players jobs. The new ones should get that through their heads quickly.
August 16th 2012 @ 10:59am
Andrew Sutherland said | August 16th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
Justin 2, I like Healy’s approach and agree with most of his views including those on the Selwood reprimand. It was amusing that he mistakenly mentioned Brad Scott in the Riewoldt incident. He clearly places the twins in the same thugs basket.
August 16th 2012 @ 8:17am
Brett-o said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Brian Taylor the worst caller there is with his constant carry on. And obvious David King and a few of the others think Mark Robinson is a complete d***head. Mooney and Barry Hall good value.
August 16th 2012 @ 9:45am
Andrew Sutherland said | August 16th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Brett-o, I remember Mark Maclure basically asking Robinson what he knows about football.
August 16th 2012 @ 11:34am
Lucan said | August 16th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Robinson, Barrett, Hutchy, Hamish, etc. are complete suck-holes. They’re meant to be the journos but too often they’re just trying to fit in with the “cool gang”.
Who cares if you step on some toes, put noses out of joint, and lose your nightclub VIP medallion, you’re a journalist, not AFL footballers’ lackey!
August 16th 2012 @ 2:59pm
Macca said | August 16th 2012 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
Brett-o – I don’t think BT is the worst caller as he doesn’t actually call the game, he does rubbish comedy while the game is going on. The Saturday night team have taken one of my favourite times to wathc the blues play and turned it into a slot I loathe.
Robinson is a knob, he just says things to create controversy and seems to take pleasure in getting blokes rubbed out for nothing (except if they are collingwood player then he is strangely silent)
August 17th 2012 @ 12:15am
AndyMack said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:15am | Report comment
I thought Robbo was an Essendon supporter!!!
August 17th 2012 @ 9:11am
Macca said | August 17th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Andy Mack – He might be a bombers man but he goes soft on collingwood. Maybe it’s because the magpies are very media savvy and have Maxwell hosting game day and doing commentary and basically pay Robbo’s wages by buying column inches in the herald sun.
August 16th 2012 @ 8:24pm
Harryonthecoast said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:24pm | Report comment
Boys you have nothing to be concerned about. I am a Union supporter and “0ur” crew are a cheer squad masquerading as a commentary team!!!!! Wake up Fox!!!
August 16th 2012 @ 8:43am
Stiffarm said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
I don’t know watch AFL so I cant comment, but in league, the opposite is true. I feel the standard of commentary has dropped significantly as a result of “elite players only” recruitment policy. Brad Fittler may well have been the Brad Fittler of five eights, but he is the Lance Thompson of the commentary box.
August 16th 2012 @ 9:49am
Andrew Sutherland said | August 16th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Yes Stiffarm, Fittler’s sole contribution to the Storm-Titans game was to be seen laughing in the rain.
August 16th 2012 @ 8:51am
brendan said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
You failed to mention Dennis Cometti whose polished commentary adds to the game.I agree that Healy is a far more aggressive commentator than he was on a football field.Overall most ex- footballers struggle with the transition to commentator .People forget that Tony Charlton and Mike Williamson set the standard in football calling and neither of those were ex-players.
August 16th 2012 @ 9:56am
Andrew Sutherland said | August 16th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Brendan, Cometti is really in a league of his own. The best caller, and the wittiest.
August 16th 2012 @ 1:24pm
BigAl said | August 16th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Healy is a smart cookie who setup , and I believe is still involved with, a very successful Physiotherapy practice.
His intelligence shows through in his football commentary work
August 17th 2012 @ 12:17am
AndyMack said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:17am | Report comment
Agree, certainly the most intelligent commentator out there.
August 16th 2012 @ 9:10am
Cameron Larkin said | August 16th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
I believe the commentary box needs a major overhaul. Get some younger people in there – up and coming guys and girls who have an opinion and can call the game. Keep out the standard journo that will purely rely on a press release every qtr. Maybe a number of TheRoar contributors could make a strong play.
#OverBTDarceandtheBoys
August 16th 2012 @ 10:00am
Andrew Sutherland said | August 16th 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Have you sent your showreel to Channel 7 and Fox Sports Cameron?
August 16th 2012 @ 8:22pm
Cameron Larkin said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:22pm | Report comment
Might just do that. Doubt they’ll look at it though.
August 16th 2012 @ 10:23am
Phil Coorey said | August 16th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
I wish Martin Tyler could learn a few things about Aussie sports…
People are always going to hate commentators – it’s in our genes. If the Olympics and Channel Nine’s overall disdain for the sporting public in general have taught us over the years, it’s that there would be a real problem in life if there was no mute button. Obviously that didn’t help with the Opening and Closing Ceremonies though.
All sports have good and bad people calling the games – what can we do?
August 16th 2012 @ 7:52pm
BigAl said | August 16th 2012 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
Interesting point !
I remember a decade or so ago, the NFL telecasters in response to constant crticism of their commentary team(s) broadcast a game with no commentary what so ever !
The result was an absolute debacle – and criticism of commentary teams has nigh on dis-appeared.
August 16th 2012 @ 12:39pm
Handles said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Dermott bugs the crap out of me. But what do I know, I love Brian Taylor!
During games:
Bad basket – Eddie, Dermott, Dwayne, Hudson, and I am sick of Bruce these days.
Not as good as they should be basket – Malthouse, Eade, Lynch
Good basket – Healy, Taylor, and the inimitable Commetti.
General Analysis –
Bad – Frawley, Dermott
Rarely say anything of value – Richardson, Kirk, Robinson,
Good basket – Healy, Roos, Lynch
August 16th 2012 @ 1:00pm
wisey_9 said | August 16th 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
am I the only one that is bugged by the Danny Frawley/Jason Dunstall buddy act?
whilst I find their insight into the game quite good – particularly Dunstall – I honestly can’t stand them trying to act as comedians. why can’t they leave that to people like Dave Hughes and Peter Helliar who have actually made their careers on the basis of being funny?
and what on earth does Andrew Gaze have to do with AFL?!?
August 16th 2012 @ 1:10pm
BigAl said | August 16th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
I blame Rex Hunt for introducing the trait of commentators who think they are funny – but who are just NOT !!
Either you have it ( Dennis Commetti…) or you don’t(Brian Taylor and his cohorts…) !
August 16th 2012 @ 3:03pm
Macca said | August 16th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Big AL – you are right there, BT thinks he is the next Rex Hunt.
I used to hate Hunt because you never knew hwere the ball, the ball seemed to be kicked 23 times and still be on the back flank then without anyone touching it it was sailing through for a goal.
August 16th 2012 @ 6:48pm
yewonk said | August 16th 2012 @ 6:48pm | Report comment
lol thats so true i thought he was the funniest commentator i ever heard and was the closest thing to a roy and hg origin call
August 16th 2012 @ 3:44pm
Andrew Sutherland said | August 16th 2012 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
Hi BigAl and Macca,
I actually don’t mind Brian Taylor because he can’t help himself. You must realise this a chap who during pre season trips away would conceal a small water pistol under the table and squirt teammates while they ate!
August 16th 2012 @ 3:50pm
Macca said | August 16th 2012 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
Andrew- If I wanted some knob who thought he was a comedian to talk over the top of the football I would go to the pub to watch it.
The fact that BT has impulse control should exclude him from commentary not make recommend him for it.
Channle 7 have deliberately tried to give Saturday night a blokey, watching the footy with you mates type feel but these blokes aren’t my mates and aren’t funny and all they succeed in doing is coming across like the annoying girl friends who have no interest in the game and continue to talk over the top of it all night.
August 16th 2012 @ 5:29pm
Brewski said | August 16th 2012 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
Most of the time , i actually like BT, very funny line about not having to put the sprinklers on, when Jobe Watson was bringing back up blue powerade after being hit in the solarplexus.
Fairly good natured banter between him and Richo from time to time.
Karl Langdon from the west is good value on radio, as is Smoky Dawson, Basil Zempilas i like as well, Bruce is just fair to OK, and Commetti can be very entertaining usually.
I never really watch after the game or at H/T, so maybe i miss a lot of the same question, same answers routine.
If you are really interested in your footy, talk back radio, or other social media forms are the best way to get across your point or acknowledge others.
August 16th 2012 @ 6:42pm
BigAl said | August 16th 2012 @ 6:42pm | Report comment
Andrew, what do you like better – Football or The Three Stooges ?
August 16th 2012 @ 1:03pm
BigAl said | August 16th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
I notice Ch7, not happy with loading their commentary teams with players who have just retired, are now starting to introduce ‘guest’ special commentators i.e.current players from other teams. !
Sometimes they sound surprisingly good but I’m sure that is because every word they say has been thoroughly rehearsed ?