How many more wake up calls do Osieck and the Socceroos need?
Holger Osieck has selected his core Socceroos, with few surprises for the upcoming World Cup Qualifiers (Image: AP)
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Three days out from the start of the English Premier League might not be the ideal time for a friendly, but for the Socceroos this morning’s 3-1 loss to Scotland in Edinburgh marked the continuation of a series of disappointing recent performance.
Only in Brisbane against Japan, pumped up, on the front foot, stung by the criticism from poor work in their previous two performances, did the Socceroos deliver anything resembling the type of passionate display we’ve come to expect.
And even then the performance was more about the quality of character rather than the quality of the football.
Holger Osieck, steaming in his post match commentary to Fox, pointed to the poor ball retention and the resultant pressure that’s place on the team, and there’s no doubt thats a concern.
The German and his skipper described it as a wake up call.
The concern for watching fans is that we’ve had a few too many wake up calls over recent times.
When the stakes are high and they need a performance or result, this team inevitably produces the goods.
Too often though, in between, performance have been marked by a lack of quality, and more worryingly, a lack of urgency.
Only Brett Holman and Alex Brosque in the first half really offered any of the sort of tempo that would be expected at international level.
While the ball retention was poor, as worrying was the complete inability of the midfield to stifle the Scottish playmakers, particularly in the second half, when Mile Jedinak was introduced for Mark Breciano, joining Carl Valeri in a holding pattern.
While not known for their ability to enable a team on the ball, the two have at least been a holding strength in recent years, but here they were as invisible off the ball as they’ve often been on it.
Charlie Adam, in particular, had a field day, spraying balls left and right, bringing the fullbacks into play.
While much was made about the inability to keep the pill, for me the biggest problem is the structure of the back four.
Not blessed with pace, the central defensive pair of Lucas Neill and Sash Ognenovski tend to retreat, or sit on their 18 yard box.
This creates acres of space in the centre of midfield. Jedinak and Valeri couldn’t cope with the Scottish onslaught.
They were not helped, in truth, by the wide midfielders, Luke Wilkshire and Robbie Kruse, who didn’t ask enough questions in attack and allowed the Scottish fullbacks to gallop forward at will.
Tucked in, they created another problem, making the Socceroos formation far too narrow.
This was a gift to Daniel Fox and Alan Hutton, who at times were made to look like Dani Alves and Fabio Coentrao.
The fact Osieck was either unable to fix this, or more worryingly, see this, highlights his tactical limitations.
The dilemma for the manager is that there isn’t exactly a bevy of ready-made internationals begging, via their performances at club level, to be a part of the set up.
Over the past couple of years he’s given many, including Matt Spiranovic and Michael Zullo a fair crack.
Only Matt McKay and Brosque have really cemented a first level spot. A few years back they might have made the squad.
Others, like Spiranovic and Rhys Williams continue to live on the edge, never really grasping their chances.
Osieck has hitherto proved, when it counts, he can motivate or cajole an experienced team to get the job done.
Here his experienced guys let him down, making his decision to not to introduce a few more fresh faces here more puzzling.
He is yet to give the Socceroos the face-lift many had hoped.
Right now, the Roos still has the feel of a team in decline rather than one on the up.
The conundrum, of course, is that Osieck can only work with what he has.
The question Australia has to grapple with is whether our best, right now, with so many not playing consistently, is good enough at international level or whether our manager has the ability to get the best out of them?
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August 16th 2012 @ 10:12am
Roger said | August 16th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
“The question Australia has to grapple with is whether our best, right now, with so many not playing consistently, is good enough at international level or whether our manager has the ability to get the best out of them?”
Nail on the head. It is a legitimate question.
August 16th 2012 @ 9:50pm
Vic said | August 16th 2012 @ 9:50pm | Report comment
If you are in jail and on death row, whatever you do in the can is not going to change the verdict or the outcome.
Australia has what is coming to it due to the Xbox generation not exactly coming through. Too much time video gaming, not enough time practising. Cie la vie!
(And….. Scotland should have been down to 10 men for the whole game practically and one nil down within a few minutes, would have made the outcome a lot different)
August 17th 2012 @ 12:36pm
whiskeymac said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
c’est la vie…
August 18th 2012 @ 8:36am
Gary Smith said | August 18th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Sorry but the comment that Scotland should have been reduced to 10 men is incorrect. I was at the game and Prior to the handball the ball went out of play. The ref missed that and the handball and as the former preferred the later the handball was irrelevant. Therefore it should have been a goal kick and still 0-0. Based upon what I saw at the game I would not have been surprised if a 10 man Scotland went onto to win the game anyway. Australia were very poor but without some key players. They can and must play better and I for one hope they do.
August 18th 2012 @ 12:54pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | August 18th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Gary Smith
Prior to the handball, when the ball went out of play, the last player to touch the ball was a SCO player. So, it could NOT have been a goal kick.
It should have been a corner taken from the right side & Marco Bresciano would have duly volleyed it with his left foot to score the goal.
August 16th 2012 @ 10:38am
Alexander Wilson said | August 16th 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
This squad must be revamped, immediately. Mark Bresciano and Chris Herd looks like a promising partnership, and should be the way forward for the Socceroos. Carl Valeri-Mile Jedinak partnership has failed to bear fruit, and they’re not an ideal central midfielder partnership. I’ve been calling for Holger to partner Lucas Neil with Rhys Williams in the heart of defense for ages, and I think its time he does that. Sasa Og may of had a blinder against Japan, but we cannot have him partnering Neil in the long term nor the short term. I still have the upmost confidence in Scotty Mcdonald, his work and movement around the penalty box is quite good, despite zero goals coming from it. Jason Davidson had some lovely touches, and ran the ball forward which was really good to see. He was just very unlucky with that own goal. Luke Wilkshire is at his best when playing at wing back. Holger needs to legitimately balance this squad with upcoming talent and experience. Time to fix this.
August 17th 2012 @ 8:48am
Kasey said | August 17th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Carney: He can’t even get a first team game with his club Bundyodkor in the Uzbeki League. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the National Team. I still blame him for marking fresh air in the 2011 Asian Cup allowing the Japanese player Tadanari Lee time to plan his surgical strike on Schwartzer’s goal Giving the Samurai Blue the title.
Carney did nothing but chase shadows and grab kit as he was horribly exposed at Easter Road(I watched the first half of the replay last night on Fox2) Despite his nightmare oggy, Davidson showed so much more than Carney in his time prior to disaster. More of him please, less Carney.
I am at the point where my passion for the National team is seriously suffering when I see names like 34-yearold and barren recently Archie Thompson and just not very good David Carney in the selected squad. Immediately the national team coach should issue an edict (and actually follow it for once)
Anybody who doesn’t even have a club or isn’t playing first team football will be considered for selection.
August 17th 2012 @ 9:24am
wisey_9 said | August 17th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
haha “Anybody who doesn’t even have a club or isn’t playing first team football will be considered for selection.”
I think you’ve made a typo there Kasey!
August 17th 2012 @ 10:12am
Kasey said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
Yeah I reckon I might have missed a very important NOT there
Except that Holger doesnt seem to care about whether you have a club or are lplaying first team football anyway, so what we carp about on here makes little difference.
Surely even Cassio at his age, now that he is an Aussie, is worth capping at LB instead of David freaking Carney?
August 17th 2012 @ 10:53am
wisey_9 said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
yeah I agree with you there – i think a fit and firing Carney is worthy of selection… but lets face it, he hasn’t played regularly for a club since Sydney FC in 2009!
August 16th 2012 @ 10:44am
apaway said | August 16th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
As usual Tony, a great analysis without hysteria or blanket condemnation.
To me, Osieck’s dilemma is rooted in bridging the gap between the last of the golden generation and the next wave of Socceroos. Players like Tommy Oar and Eric Paartalu should, in my opinion, be playing a big role in the current squad with an eye towards the future. I think Osieck is banking on the older players steering the Socceroos through their last WC qualification phase and then perhaps blending the younger players into the squad in time for Brazil 2014, and I think that might be a too conservative approach.
Under Pim Verbeek, the Socceroos performances were criticised as too defensive but give Verbeek credit; he got the job done with the squad and apart from one very significant lack of judgement, results were good and built on a miserly defence. The problem seems to be that the twin pillars of our central defence, Sasa Ognenovski and Lucas Neill, are not blessed with pace, but they don’t have a player the calibre of Vince Grella anchoring the central midfield and working his butt off across the defensive line to provide the screening necessary to compensate for our central defence’s lack of pace, which conversely as you pointed out, means Neill and Ognenovski drop too deep and make the central midfield space an open invitation to opposing teams. Perhaps this is an area that Osieck has earmarked for Chris Herd to patrol. It’s either that or make the decision to break up his central defensive pairing and introduce quicker centre-backs.
August 16th 2012 @ 3:41pm
Kasey said | August 16th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Great analysis Tony, thank you.
I missed the bit about why Ian Black was booed by his own supporters, can anyone enlighten me please? Surely not because he once was a Hearts player and the game was at Hib’s Easter Rd ground? Is that what the Tartan Army has been reduced to now a days?:( , I’m assuming it has something to do with a the recent evemts concerning a certain club from Ibrox that I don’t understand yet.
August 20th 2012 @ 12:17pm
phutbol said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
Pretty sure that was exactly the reason…
August 16th 2012 @ 10:47am
Midfielder said | August 16th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
I cannot recall when we played this poorly … total lack of shape in both attack and defence …
Still no goal for Scotty M …
Very very disappointed
August 16th 2012 @ 12:19pm
Stevo said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Scotty Mac was not our poorest player and at times looked to put in some pretty good passes. Sadly, he was not helped by some of his other team mates.
August 16th 2012 @ 11:25am
JAJI said | August 16th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Pim Verbeek was widely roused on both during Qualifying and during the World Cup. Yes he was dry and Dutch – but he was a Luke Wilskhire miss 1 on 1 in the Ghana game away from equalling what Guus did
Remember qualifying under Pim when we let in one goal in the final 8 games?
seems a million years away now. Too many players playing in sub standard leagues in Asia and the Middle East, no youngsters coming through, the only one with talent Herd doesnt want to play for us it would appear and Holger is obsessed with Kruse and Archie who clearly arent up to it
We are very lucky our group has 3 arab countries intent on drawing with each other
August 16th 2012 @ 12:23pm
Stevo said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Holger is faced with similar issues that confronted Pim. Pim was condemned and Holger has been given some slack. But in the end, Holger’s only choice is to field established players to get us to Rio, much like Pim, because we don’t have the cattle to replace Bresc, Timmy, Arry, Luca$h, etc.
August 16th 2012 @ 8:40pm
Minister for Information for the Democratic People's Republic of Football said | August 16th 2012 @ 8:40pm | Report comment
Pim had more options at his disposal than Holger has. The old guard was two years younger then and playing first team football for decent teams. We haven’t got the cattle at the moment. It’s as simple as that. Mind you we may very well qualify easily but any realist will tell you that what we have at our disposal at the moment is inferior to the squads we had for the ’06 and ’10 campaigns.
August 17th 2012 @ 9:36am
Roger said | August 17th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
I wouldn’t say we may qualify easy. I reckon it’s a 50-50 chance at the moment.
August 17th 2012 @ 12:41pm
whiskeymac said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
another point of difference was germany 4-1. that was a painful game in 2010. apart from that (and the china, kuwait and oman games and dour football not played under guus) yes, Pim’s actual results weren’t that bad.
August 16th 2012 @ 11:28am
Brendo said | August 16th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Once again great analysis Tony
We have some big problems and no clear solutions. IMO Osieck needs to take a close look at Lucas Neill. His lack of pace and inability close the space behind the midfielders (when combined with another slow CD) are killing us. We need a young mobile CD in there and quickly. Luke Devere, Rhys Williams and Ryan McGowan would be all options to try. Personally i would like to see Williams partner Sash.
Luke Wilkshire playing as a RM, really?? This smacked too much of trying to fit a player into a position rather than selecting the best for the role. I thought Kruse did ok. He made position well and with some better distribution from midfield would have had more of an impact.
But the real issue I though was the three in midfield. The amount of misdirected passes and then the lack of closing down when the Scots had the ball was very concerning.
Lastly we were stung down the right side (our left) all game. Why start Carney? Surely Osieck knows what he is going to get with him by now. Surely Davidson should have started and been given a good 75mins to show what he can bring to the table.
August 16th 2012 @ 11:31am
nordster said | August 16th 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
I for one would love to see a national team where Holger only plays guys who are first team, crucial figures with their clubs. Sure it will mean …maybe…the best ‘talent’ isnt on show, whatever that means. To me ‘talent’ is only what u are doing now with your club at this point in your career. Not your potential, those guys no disrespect should be in the 20/23s if eligible or maybe brought into camp or left to keep making an impression with their clubs.
Now sure this would limit severely his options with the starting lineup and all but i still think it is possible to qualify for brasil. But at least our NT would be more tuned and firing then otherwise. That seems to be a common observation against top opposition, our players are rusty on an individual basis imo not just as a team.
Side effect positive and major flaw to this argument is many more starters from the a-league. A good thing as it is a more honest marker of where australian football is anyway and rewards local stars who are key players for their clubs. Bad thing is we dont have a full season so would only work for half the year ….
August 16th 2012 @ 12:50pm
wisey_9 said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
i agree. when fit and firing, Neill, Carney and Thompson are all worthy of being in a Socceroos squad. But when you don’t have a club, struggle to make the bench, or haven’t played for 5 months, game time should really be given to those who are starting regularly at their clubs.
August 16th 2012 @ 3:49pm
nordster said | August 16th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
Though i guess in their defence it is early season for everyone. It had that pre season game feel to it….
August 16th 2012 @ 11:38am
Griffo said | August 16th 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
For sure, in a recent article, Luke Wilkshire made a statement to the effect that the younger players have to work hard to dislodge the older players from the team.
I would say now that some of the older players will have to work hard at their clubs to justify their place in the Socceroo team.
The dilemma is that not enough younger players are getting enough time or doing enough to stand out, nor consistently stake a claim when given an opportunity.
It is far too late to slash and burn the team at this stage of qualifying but the signs are worrying. It is almost getting desperate that Ursan Gulum is starting to be flagged along with Herd, Porta in some posts.
With some players existing on the vapour of reputation alone the next year will see what Holger is made of as a manager.
Leaving it up to the hope that some players will pull a game out of their shorts is leaving too much to chance.
August 16th 2012 @ 12:19pm
Midfielder said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
On that performance we will not qualify… as for the CB … I always wondered why Wilko [former Mariners captain] never got a call ..
Troisi, MacKay, Rose all better David Carney on the left …
As many have mentioned the combination of Lucas Neill and Sash Ognenovski as the CD with Mile Jedinak ,Carl Valeri playing in front of them does not work… James Holland comes to mind as worth a look at…
August 16th 2012 @ 12:41pm
JAJI said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
Jimmy Holland after a couple of character bulding years in Holland not doing alot has moved to Austria and I am happy to say is looking the goods playing every game. Luke De Vere also must be looked at – I rated him when he played in Brisbane, Craig Moore is a fan, he scores goals and plays every game in Korea. He is also young. What about Shane Lowry? Plays every game for Milwall. All in Chris Herd – hopefully he wants to play for Australia
These options are far better than Kruse, Jedinak, Valeri and Spiranovic (who has that snake Mandic now acting for him so instead of going to Europe is playing in Qatar with the other 35 year olds)
August 16th 2012 @ 12:49pm
Atawhai Drive said | August 16th 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
We looked slow at times, and execution/timing were astray at lot of the time. And we were shaky at the back.
Unfortunately, Scotland played better than their ranking might suggest.
This was a good game to watch. Shame about the result.