NRL politics overshadows approaching finals
By Adam_Vaughan, 17 Aug 2012 Adam_Vaughan is a Roar Rookie
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With three weeks to go until the NRL finals series gets under way, you would think that the focus would be on said finals series. Alas, it is not.
If the new ARL Commission didn’t have enough problems including finding a new CEO, the small matter of finalising a new television rights deal and the ever declining quality of the refereeing, the chairmen and CEOs of all 16 clubs have decided to gang up on the new bosses of the game.
They have formed up to make what they have called the “NRL Council”.
The story goes that the clubs have the perception that the Commission has not progressed on issues as quickly as they would like through a lack of communication between the parties.
I can understand where the clubs are coming from because without them there is no NRL. And the Commission does seem to be taking a long time to find the new CEO to replace David Gallop… and please don’t get me started on the referees.
The television rights are a different kettle of fish, however, as it is common knowledge that all parties are under strict non-disclosure agreements.
The problem with all of this is that there are mixed messages everywhere. According to Wests Tigers chairman David Trodden, the apparent spokesman of the NRL Council, the clubs have been in favour of the Commission from the beginning.
Trodden says, “The clubs want these guys because they want independence in the decision-making process. They don’t want to tell people how to make the decisions.” Then why go to all this trouble, David?
If the clubs are happy to let the Commission make the decisions, why the big meeting and secretive emails?
With all of the skulduggery going on, you would think that the commissioners would be less than impressed with these developments. But Commission chairman John Grant has actually agreed to meet with this council at quarterly meetings with the first being held on the 27th August, the Monday before the final round of the season.
This may just be a diplomatic move by Grant to alleviate the tension between the governing body and the clubs. The timing of the meeting doesn’t seem to be a strong point for the clubs as there will be next to nothing that they can change or even alter in their favour in regards to any of the supposed issues.
The yet to be appointed CEO is yet to be named but the Commission has said that it would not be someone who has a current affiliation with any club. If this is true, you could assume that they have an eye on a group of people that they feel are suitable.
Just because they are keeping their cards close to their chest doesn’t mean they have no idea. Surely the Commission should be given the right to select a new CEO without having to explain the ins and outs of the selection process with people who are apparently happy for the Commission to make that decision?
Do the clubs feel they should give Gallop’s successor their tick of approval first? That’s definitely the definition of an independent decision in my eyes.
The television deal is still in negotiations but apparently the clubs want to see the agreement before it is signed off. A luxury that was not afforded to them the last time the rights were negotiated.
I’m not sure it will be afforded to them this time either. The clubs showed their hand late last year when they refused to sign agreements to play in the 2012 season unless they were paid additional funding from the game. They signed after a $500,000 bonus was assured to them.
Basically, the clubs want to see what bonus they might be able to swindle out of the coming rights agreement on top of the promised $500,000. They’ll find out how much the rights have been bought for, at the same time we will.
As for the referees, now is the worst time to try to change anything to do with the game’s officials. If the clubs want to enforce anything it will ensure that the finals are refereed differently to the rest of the season.
Before you shout “Hallelujah!” and thank the rugby league gods, think about this – the refs could actually get worse. The men in pink have endured a really tough season this year with blunder after blunder on the field and in the video ref’s box without a whole lot of support from their coaches.
If the Commission gives the referees any new directives and gives in to the clubs, it will only further deteriorate whatever confidence the referees have.
They’re second guessing themselves now; imagine what decisions and possible flare ups that could occur in the pressure cooker environment of a semi-final or worse the grand final? I’m hopeful that the referee’s performances have been noted and that changes are forthcoming, but after the season is over.
The Independent Commission seems to be doing what the clubs wanted them to do, act independently. The problem is the clubs thought they would be kept in the loop, just like the old days when News Limited wasn’t involved with the running of the game.
They might not care as much if there weren’t so many important issues right now, but there are and the clubs want to know where they stand. It’s too early to make a call on the performance of the Commission just yet, but the wait shouldn’t take too much longer.
The appointment of the new CEO and the value of the television rights deal will give all of us a good idea. But until then, the clubs will be at their wits end. Apparently, that’s what they asked for.
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August 17th 2012 @ 7:08am
James said | August 17th 2012 @ 7:08am | Report comment
You should stop reading slothsfields garbage articles. The ARLC suggested the clubs form the NRL council to assist with communication.
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August 17th 2012 @ 7:23am
steve b said | August 17th 2012 @ 7:23am | Report comment
The new commish you mean the invisable men ,,where are they .They said they were going to be more transparent with clubs players ,and fans well they got this right their bloody invisable ..Grant said on the ref issue at the moment that they would be having nothing to do with it and passed the buck ..Are they ever going to make a decision on anything if so when , And the clubs deserve to be kept in the loop so the new committee is a great idea ,no more back door deals ..Are these blokes getting payed if so what for because they ain’t showed squat yet …..
August 17th 2012 @ 7:59am
Johnno said | August 17th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
-There is a bit of a dictator attitude to the new commish. The aittiude is this. We are the boss, John Grant is the boss if you don’t like it leave, my way or the highway where is the democracy and free speech and multiple decisions , it is John Grnat whoo seems to be the boss not the Nathan Tinkler’s or nick polities, and not david gallop when he was in in his finald ays.
-John Grant has made it very clear in my opinion that he is the boss and he has the executive and final descion on matters and if youdont like it leave the game type attitude. It is a very cut throat and competitive and confrontanial attitude. there should be more democracy and free speech and , and more broader desicon making not just the commish and john grant
-The coolish is starting to resemble FIFA a little and is trying to consolidate power, which is putting a few noses out of joint no question.
August 17th 2012 @ 8:36am
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Johnno,
The game needs this sort of approach. If everybody can make decisions then the game doesn’t move forward, rather in whatever particular way that serves the purposes of one group.
The chairmen will have a steering committee which will involve those from all parts of the game where they discuss issues and process, make further investigations/reports and report back that to the committee who will have the final say. The game cannot be a democracy otherwise they end up looking more like politicians rather than businessmen which is what they need to be.
I am very happy with how the game is progressing through this period, and once the game has the TV deal wrapped up, I believe you will start seeing the real improvements into the game happening, especially funding at junior levels.
As someone else said, stop reading the Telegraph, they are just looking to create stories, and if you scratch a little you find their is no substance to what they are saying.
Really as I work in IT, there is one motto which you have to live by. Change. It happens every day, every moment, everywhere. To live fully we must learn to embrace change and honor it, even when change arrives with companions, Fear and Uncertainty.
August 17th 2012 @ 8:28am
B.A Sports said | August 17th 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
All of the off field happening are always going to be there whether it is Rd 1 or Rd 21 – The NRL is a business, there are always going to be things cooking along – 12months of the year.
The off field issues are only the focus if you read the journos who focus on it and wouldn’t know a Steeden from a Sherrin. I don’t read the Telecrap – or when I do, i fly past Ritchie and Rothfield (the boozehounds) because i am not interested in their efforts to be the one who brought down the game. When i hear a talk back caller on radio start a call with “I had an idea for the NRL Commission…” I promptly press “CD” on my car stereo.
I will watch 6 possibly 7 games this weekend – so for me, the focus is on the field.
August 17th 2012 @ 9:04am
turbodewd said | August 17th 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
The ARLC must be judged on how it performs on the big ticket items – TV deal, crowds, ratings, participation. Its far too early to judge their efforts.
I support the move to release Gallop. The Storm scandal occurred on his watch, he is an ex News Ltd guy so any moves to eject News is great.
I am concerned at the NRL crowds at the moment and the excessive role of gambling in the game. Gambling NEVER leads to good things, sometimes to bad and VERY bad. I mean if the Nathan Hindmarsh revelation and the Ryan Tandy fixing scandal arent warning bells, then what next?! Its a joke that post Tandy we have MORE betting shtt shoved down our throats during TV coverage. That is genuinely a rotten outcome.
August 17th 2012 @ 9:31am
jdubya said | August 17th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it rotten. I happen to make a decent amount of money through many types of betting so I disagree that ‘nothing good comes out of it’.
If you hate Rugby League so much go and read something else, you are a broken record.
August 17th 2012 @ 9:57am
turbodewd said | August 17th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
LOL. Where am I bagging out rugby league or hating it?! You are high if you can find out a single sentence where Im bagging out rugby league.
I also have a friend who is fairly successful at the trots – but you and he are rarities. Most punters lose money – fact. Thats how these businesses stay afloat.
Can you tell me with straight face that the NRL should embrace gambling further after Ray Warren, Nathan Hindmarsh and Ryan Tandy all got burnt? Is this what the kids should be getting into? Noone ruins their life buying Oak flavored milk (Panthers sponsor) or by buying NRMA insurance (Broncos sponsor). Go read the other Roar thread on gambling, you’ll find a lot of misery. Gambling leads to a lot of misery – FACT. Fact, fact, fact.
Look at the Pakistani cricket team now – the whole last 20 years of sub continent cricket is tarnished – how many results have been fixed?
August 17th 2012 @ 11:02am
oikee said | August 17th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
The problem is the game cant change unless the commission makes the changes needed, the clubs are worried about having to relocate or be gone for the game to grow.
Rugby league fans have to understand that for the game to grow, changes have to accure, and for this to happen a Sydney team or 3 will either die or if they had any sense, start thinking about what area or city they would like to live in,.
If we dont make the changes, why was the commission ever formed. We might as well keep Gallop with his shonky cap system.
Look, the cap has done its job, evened out the comp, now we have to spread the comp, all agreed, if not the game will be nothing more than a Sydney run comp, always on the back ffot. Look at all other codes, every single one is growing, because they have teams in every city.
I can say much more, it is simple common sense.
August 17th 2012 @ 2:04pm
Cameron said | August 17th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
“Rugby league fans have to understand that for the game to grow, changes have to accure, and for this to happen a Sydney team or 3 will either die ”
Your nominations Oikee?
August 17th 2012 @ 3:33pm
turbodewd said | August 17th 2012 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
Sydney teams dont have to die. They can move. The notion would be win-win, coz if, say the Adelaide Panthers visited Sydney they’d instantly have an AWAY following!
August 17th 2012 @ 9:52am
Australian Rules said | August 17th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
turbo, the NRL says that it was the ARLC’s idea to form the NRL Council.
It could be a good call if it leads to open communication, although I thought open communication would be a given – after all, the clubs are major beneficiaries of the ARLC’s decisions. Let’s hope that the 2 bodies work in partnership, rather than the NRL Council working as a lobby group – unecessary interference from the clubs is the last thing the Commish needs.
As for gambling, I agree that it’s a very worrying aspect of all codes these days. Our governing bodies take sanctimonious positions on the ills of gambling, and then bombard us with odds and margins and bonus bets and streams of ads.
The lagging irony is that the sports bodies themselves became seduced, and are now reliant, on their huge dollars that the betting agencies stuff into their pockets.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:08am
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Yet Gallop could have had money from NRL betting, but chose not to get the NRL involved in that element. It would have seen more say in how gambling affect the sport, as well as delivering the NRL a nice paycheck. Head in the sand type stuff.
I do want to see less gambling info on TV. I couldn’t care less how the odds have changed during a match, if you want to know there are many ways to find out while a game is on, rather than have it pushed down our throats. Note that I do not bet on the footy so I have an inherit bias on the subject.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:24am
Crosscoder said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Funny the west Sydney clubs have had a meeting with Grant etc.The indiviidual clubs,have had meetings with Grant to get the lie of the land.
Individual memmbers of the commission are liasing with clubs on various issues.Wayne Pearce involved with coaches on one.
Lobby group!!!The Tv deal will be on the basis of what is best for the code,not individual club interests.Ditto the annual scheduling of games.Lobbying will have therefore no undue influence on teh ARLC decision.
It is patently obvious in the past,the clubs and admin semed to lack communication viz a viz Stewart,Coffs Harbour,and even Cronulla.Head office had no idea it would seem,as to Wagga.
The bS that is hacked around by the press at times is unbelievable.Because there is no TV deal in place ATM,ditto expansion,ditto salary cap,some of these clowns(and one uses the description advisedly),conclude the admin are fanarkling.
Trodden put a couple in their place ,and not before time.These are the priorities.
There is an outrageous answer choke, choke ,make gambling illegal.The govts wont ,because they would be out of office in no time and they love the turnover tax.
I would however much rather codes secure funding from non intrusive (sic) sources.And yes I have bought the occasional lotto ticket.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:29am
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Gambling won’t be made illegal, but gambling advertising the way it is done during matches should be. It like it is conditioning you to have to bet to get the full experience of a footy match which is not true. Not to dissimilar to how cigarette companies used to pay actors to smoke on screen to make it look cool.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:39am
turbodewd said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
The other issue the ARLC needs to look at is expansion. The AFL are loaded and are slowly winning the code war, very slowly. I mean recently they had a coup in Wagga which sent Gallop scurrying there. And somehow the AFL got the ACT govt to pay $20 million over 10 years to the GWS Giants to have 3 games here per year. I mean this is amazing effort by the AFL that they manage to curry favor with government like that.
Certainly their teams in West Syd and the GC arent doing amazing, but the AFL have deep pockets, lets judge them in 5-7 years because that’s how deep their pockets are!
The fightback starts with the new TV deal! Everything relies on this. Grant, so far, seems like the man for the job.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:42am
The High Shot said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
RL fans don’t particularly want to see the code going begging to the taxpayer at every opportunity.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:50am
turbodewd said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
I agree 1000%. I cannot stand my taxpayer dollars being spent on professional sports. Thats crazy. But if the taxpayer can help build new stadiums, then i have no issue with that.
August 17th 2012 @ 12:52pm
Damn Straight said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Especially considering the state of our hospitals, roads and infrastructure.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:45am
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
By plonking teams which will drain the AFL’s finances you believe they are winning somehow? Those 2 franchise’s will take 15 years before they can even be considered to be paying their way. While the NRL will be able to admit 2 franchises that will pay their way immediately. That’s a big bonus.
I think most supporters of the NRL need to stop worrying about what the AFL is doing, and look to what the NRL is doing, that’s the way to get ahead.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:56am
turbodewd said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
As of today the AFL are ahead. Theyve got the balls, brains and dollars to put teams right in our backyard. Right in our face!
So far our response has been weak and disorganised, you cannot deny those AFL guys down south are ballsy…and rich :^/
RL is a great product, with good marketing and a good attitude and community engagement a team in Perth is a must in the short term. I want to see the Perth Somethings pulling 20,000 every week. Perth is huge, we only need a small slice of that market to be a success.
The ARLC needs to break out of its Sydney-centric mentality and expand. Win over new hearts, minds and wallets…coz the AFL are doing their best to do that in our territory.
A 2nd NZ team would also be wise as NZ has 4.5 million people! It would be easy to get union fans to see some league and convert them to RL.
August 17th 2012 @ 11:15am
oikee said | August 17th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Funny, i was just reading a story on the Tigers, you guys are in Sydney, what is going on with this club. They seem a basketcase to me. Having backdoor Benny in charge, how is that helping, and his development ideas are out of this world, putting 30 stories in the heart of a suburb, for a what, clubhouse, casino, pokie loveshack?.
Mate the tigers are not helping rugby league.
If this was AFL they would have signed off and happily helped them out, rugby league is run by shadey ex league players and shonky business types. Tinkler has lost a fortune on horses, the only guy with sense is Palmer, and he wont have a bar of the code until they change their ways.
Now Benny is over in Perth, spreading his poison over their, no wonder we cant expand,. If it is not the pirates, forget expansion. The game has got to change course, no more people with backyard certificates running the game for crying out loud, this is why the game is in such a mess. Look at the game.
Don’t change the rules you say, then who changed the knock-on rule before the origin game, harrigon, who? And dont do anything until we sign the TV deal, why get rid of Gallop mid season then, ?.
Remember when the commish was being formed and coming in, the first thing i said was for them to fix the rules, if they did nothing else at least do the rules, they are a dogs breakfast i said, they are still doggie breakfast and the refs are now being hammered. .
Now we have them running around wanting to introduce a captains call, not a coaches call like it should be, but captains call?, love to see what happens when he is on the bench having a breather, this game thinks nothing through, its a pile of bullocks.
I can see the captain now, what happened, oh i think he knocked on captain, call, Call, stop play, hey ref, stop.
Come on, this is keystone cop stuff.
August 17th 2012 @ 11:41am
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
Benny has nothing to do with the Tigers other than the Leagues club development which he looks like he took the club for a ride. Given the club made him, what a way to repay them (totally tongue in cheek).
August 17th 2012 @ 12:09pm
oikee said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
Ok, just wondering as i have little faith in some people.
Read your 1st post above, agree.
August 17th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Maybe read my last sentance again, your are in fact the problem with the game. What the AFL is doing is irrelevant. We don’t need to respond to what they are doing, but in fact do what we do to our very best. If we are doing that, the what the AFL is doing has no impact on us.
The commission has been hamstrung due to finances conceived by the previous setup. Once the TV deal is done, and they can work out how to effectively spend whatever amount they get, then you can judge them on results.
The fact is that since the commission has come in, bad elements in the game have quieted down, it’s only idiots like those at the Tele that want to sensationalise normal events like the meeting of clubs with the commission into stories of doom and gloom that make things an issue.
No wonder the NRL commission (and clubs) have been very effective in only spoon feeding the Tele journalists (if you can call them that) what they need to know, and the Tele is just trying to fill space with stories with very little substance to them.
August 17th 2012 @ 1:01pm
oikee said | August 17th 2012 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
We need more front foot posters.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:41am
The High Shot said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
I thought I read a direct quote from a club CEO this week saying they were very happy with the ARLC’s approach so far. I think the author might be buying into the petulant News Ltd “we lost our man on the inside waaah” agenda more than is warranted.
August 17th 2012 @ 10:49am
Boz said | August 17th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
This article is a load of tripe.
August 17th 2012 @ 11:11am
planko said | August 17th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
Adam I find the cricket model interesting … in that players get a percentage of revenue. Obviously there is a difference as most players have no contract with the ARL or any governing body they have a contract with their clubs. But if you substitute the “cricket players” for the NRL clubs you have a possibility. Surely each NRL club should be entitled to a percentage of the yearly revenue ? This would make it everyone’s interest that the ARLC’s new found wealth/revenue and make sure it was at least transparent to the clubs ? Adam your thoughts ?
August 17th 2012 @ 11:50am
Adam_Vaughan said | August 17th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
I think (and i could be wrong after reading a lot of the comments) that the players association have looked at the NFL model which is similar to the cricket model in that the players are given a percentage of the revenue generated by the league. For this to happen it would take a major reworking of how funds are currently divvied up as well as a complete overhaul of how the competition is structured. The main difference between the NFL and the NRL is that all teams are privately owned in the NFL and the league works as a co-operative. The NRL have seperate clubs who have their own seperate revenue generating components along with help from the NRL.
The two are very different and as such, I don’t think the revenue sharing is a great idea for the NRL. Look at the Knights compared with a team like Cronulla. The Knights have a billionaire to look after them financially but the Sharks are an old fashioned club run on leagues club dollars and sponsorship. Is it fair to give the Knights the same percentage of NRL revenue as the Sharks? One club doesn’t need it, but the other does. I know both teams are in the same competition, but the game doesn’t need to have a situation of “haves VS have nots”. In this modern age all clubs should be more or less the same financially. That won’t happen unless they are all on the same page and the ruling body is allowed to do just that.
August 17th 2012 @ 12:18pm
oikee said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Yes it is fair, and this is what is wrong with trying to even out the comp. Why should the Knights not be rewarded for bringing through juniors, massive dollars in sponserships, a Huge stadium, fans, new ideas, thwe list is endless, yet in your world you want a club who is on struggle street who hardly contirbutes apart from trying to run on a oily rag afloat. ?
Yes in heaven this is the perfect world, but we are not, its dog eat dog and league is being eaten alive by other codes because some people lets emotions get in the way of running cut throat businesses,
If you want a nice evwen Sydney comp then good, lets all share like a pack of good little boys.
This is the real world, and in the real world you have your Londons, New Yorks, Sydneys and Paris, then you have the rest, and these cities dont give handouts for these other wannabee’;s to catch up, they forge ahead to stay on top.
Same could be said of the codes. Do you think soccer is going to hand you charity as well.
Adam, i expect more from you mate, start putting in the effort mate.
Dont settle for second best.
August 17th 2012 @ 12:44pm
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
But how much advantage do you get by bringing in juniors. Lets say a club has 10 of the top 25 squad who are juniors, with a 10% discount due to that status. But these 10 players include stars of the club, and thus take up half the salary cap. (Taking the salary cap as $4mil for this example).
We see that suddenly this club has 200K extra now to buy another clubs player. That is a big bonus for that club.
Just have to be careful how far you go, or ensure that these incentives don’t go overboard to ensure that we do have a fairly level playing field as far as talent on the park goes. Big clubs already do things that weaker clubs can’t do, like have the best support staff and facilities that make going to those clubs a bigger incentive to improving your game.
August 17th 2012 @ 12:54pm
Adam_Vaughan said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
I understand what you’re saying Oikee, but the Knights themselves were running on an oily rag until Tinks came along. The lack of a leagues club was a big reason for that.
And you’re right, it is a dog eat dog world. But if rugby league is to prosper despite the competition from other codes, it has to be one big unified dog. I’m not talking about “sharing like good little boys”, I’m talking about working together as a sport. Each team can go at it to win a comp as hard as they want, but when it comes to the big picture rugby league has to work together. For a sport that has been as dysfunctional as rugby league has been, thats going to take some time. But it should be the goal everyone is working towards.
August 17th 2012 @ 1:26pm
oikee said | August 17th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
I agree, totally agree with you. The game has got to grow evenly.
The point ,,,it is not growing evenly.
In cap wise yes. Sydney clubs even weak teams like Cronulla, Roosters, Penrith and Parramatta can easily buy some senior players and get themselves back to the top 4-8.
Will this grow the game, having weak Sydney teams making the 8 every year. ??
Of course not,. you need state city teams doing well, your Brisbane, Melbourne, even Perth and Adelaide along with NZ and at least 1 Sydney club doing well. This could happen every year, at the moment it cant, because we are feeding off the Brisbanes and NZ teams to keep the weak Sydney teams strong.
And what is the reward for NZ, or Brisbane, ?
Getting flogged, that is our reward, then according to you, we should be punished further by not getting as much cash.
Mate, why dont we just have a Sydney comp and the rest of Australia and NZ can have a national comp, because this is what super league tried to acheive, way back in 1995.
See where i am going, if the commission cant change , relaocate, cut Sydney teams, introduce other cities like Perth adelaide, a second Brisbane team, etc, what is the sense of even having a commission.
The game has got to grow, by trying to hold back the powerhouse clubs wont grow the game, why should i in Perth, me in Melbourne, NZ or even Brisbane give a flying fig about cronulla Playing Manly every second year.
You will lose veiwers quicker than robinson crusoe loses sight of a rescue ship,.
Dont be fooled, the biggest TV numbers are big city teams in finals, if Manly are in this year, i wont be watching, i have already stopped watching their games this year. I tape and delete if they win.
And is what i am saying, why bother, i know the game is geared to help Sydney clubs. They pay nothing for stripping the game of juniors.
The big clubs are whipping boys under this guise. It wont change until someone is strong enough to make changes. i wont be giving league any credit until this happens. Why should i, i can see the faults.
I am not being a smarty pants saying this, it is the future, i can record, go out get tweeted the results, deside if i wish to bother evn watch the recorded game, maybe be excited to go to games because my big city club is such a strong club. Its the future, rugby league needs to understand, they com pete with more than just 1 code and one rusted one-eyed set of future fans.
Times are changing, fast. Rugby league has to get into every major city, just to compete.
August 17th 2012 @ 3:02pm
planko said | August 17th 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
ADAM might be back to the oily rag…
http://www.smh.com.au/business/has-nathan-tinklers-luck-run-out-20120816-24bku.html
Oikee please no sport worth it salt wants Palmer I am happy to go to Perth & I am happy have to have a Central QLD team but no palmer he is a fruit cake.
August 17th 2012 @ 3:42pm
Adam_Vaughan said | August 17th 2012 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
Read that Tinkler is trying to sell his horse racing operation for $200 Million. No takers so far.
BTW – read that in the Newcastle Herald (a Fairfax paper). Just for those of you who think I’m a News Limited stooge…
August 17th 2012 @ 3:57pm
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
No offense Adam,but when you take post an article which is inaccurate, and straight out of the News Ltd playbook, it does make you out to be a stooge.
It would have taken only a little research to find out that Phil Rothfield’s article was just full of crap, and only designed to have a go at the NRL commission who is not listening to Phil, and most clubs who have enough of the Tele’s mudraking.
August 17th 2012 @ 4:31pm
Adam_Vaughan said | August 17th 2012 @ 4:31pm | Report comment
Point taken D of W. Living and learning. Hope my other articles haven’t come across the same way.
August 17th 2012 @ 11:34am
oikee said | August 17th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Can we make something perfectly clear, the coaches call should only happen in first grade NRL tv games, no other game should worry about this. they dont have the technology to even trail this system.
It can be made so simple, but as ussual, ruggy league wants to complicate things. It works in the NFL, nuff said. Follow their lead, that is all we have to do. KISS, = keep it simple stupid.
gee whiz.
August 17th 2012 @ 12:47pm
Dogs Of War said | August 17th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
We do have the outlet to trial this, and it’s being used in Round 26. The Toyota Cup!
Though as it’s a competition game that may have a bearing on the makeup of the finals, the ref still gets a call in assigning a review upstairs, which sort of devalues the experiment for mine. All games that have no bearing on the top 8 results in both Toyota Cup and the NRL (which their should be 4-5 of), should be part of the experiment, with the referee having no ability other than acts of foul play, to refer something to the video ref. They just call the game as they see it, and let the coach/captain call them out on it.
August 17th 2012 @ 1:48pm
oikee said | August 17th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Yes, we have the outlet, but its a waste of time doing it in Toyot cup where they dont really need this, they are not a top grade professional comp.
Plus it is also a waste of time having the captain calling, he is on the field, he cant see what is happening at all times, unlike when we see video replays.
The whole point of the coaches call to me is as follows.
And rugby league are already on the back foot because they want to rule out forward passes in the coach call.
Obviopus forward pass, this is a no brainer, How many times ahve we seen a forward pass and the video ref cant rule on this, so the coach call would be perfect for this. ??
Its a no brainer, but not according to whoever is running rugby league, anyhow lets move on, cough.
Dud calls, if the video ref stuffs up a video ref call, like he has been doing lately, the coach can make a call.
A knock on or strip missed in the leadup to a try, only a try.
These are the reason why we need the coach calls.
If the rules were cleaned up as well, any ball that goes forward regardless, regardless of being knocked out by another player or off someones torso is called a scrum.
Now, weather that scrum goes to the attcking team or the defending team depends on how the ball has come out, this needs to be a rule cleaned up by my rule changes i have been screaming out for?? clean up the rules commission, get someone to look at our rules, we have 2 refs, video refs and changes to the game, yet the rules are a dogs breakfast.
Anyhow, these are some obvous things that need to be looked at, i am sure i can find plenty mopre, the third man into a 2 man tackle is another. Why is this still in play, why have they not changed this, its dangerous, a blight on the game, we hear it being condeemed every 6 games by commentators, ye tnothing happens, nobody cares enough to make changes.
Get a woman running the game, i ave said i would be happy with this.