Crunch time arrives: Sydney vs Hawthorn
By Cameron Rose, 20 Aug 2012 Cameron Rose is a Roar Expert
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The 2012 AFL home and away season is comprised of 198 matches, but no two games will be more important to determining where the premiership ends up this year than a couple being played this Saturday.
And no, Port versus Brisbane and St Kilda against GWS are not the ones I had in mind.
When Hawthorn runs out onto the SCG for their twilight match against Sydney, they’ll have the most at stake of any contender.
A win can basically lock up top spot for them, or at least let them defend it when taking on West Coast at the MCG in the final round.
The Hawks have had a two week holiday against the Power and Suns, but their break’s over.
With Buddy presumably to dispel the three strikes drug rumours doing the rounds in social media and finally return, we’re going to well and truly see if they deserve their premiership favouritism.
Defeat the Swans, and they’ll probably take on Collingwood at the MCG in the first week of finals, a favourable result considering they’ve already twice beaten them convincingly there this year.
If not the Pies, it will be Sydney again, but this time at the MCG, where they’ll start warm-to-hot favourites.
Lose at the SCG this weekend however, and the Hawks will be travelling interstate in week one and, if they lose, may have to again for a preliminary final if they overcome a tricky second opponent, hardly the ideal route for a premiership favourite.
While Hawthorn can’t definitively secure the number one position on the ladder with a victory over Sydney, the Swans actually can if they get the win, courtesy of a percentage that is 24 points higher than what will be their nearest challenger.
What a luxury it would be for them to be able to rest a weary player or two for their round 23 trip to Geelong.
Lewis Jetta is one who springs to mind having lost a bit of spark in recent times, possibly feeling the effects of a dazzling breakout season.
If John Longmire’s men lose on Saturday afternoon, they’ll then have to win down at the Cattery a week later or two things will happen.
The first is that the week one home final, for so long in their grasp, will be gifted to another. The second is that the Sydney doubters will have been justified, the Swans finishing with three losses from the last four rounds, two of which will have been at home. Hardly the form of a worthy contender.
Collingwood can’t finish top two now after their upset loss against a sparkling North Melbourne, combined with the lowest percentage of the top four teams.
Their inconsistency would be troubling Nathan Buckley, but their staggering interstate record keeps them in good stead for a finals series where most will have to hop on a plane at some stage.
Their best chance of winning this year’s flag lies with overcoming West Coast this Saturday night. Doing so will give them the best chance of being the lucky top four finalist that gets to play Adelaide in the first week.
The Crows loss to Brisbane at the Gabba confirmed what most have suspected. Adelaide, while a good, improving side, are holding their lofty position due more to a favourable draw than any legitimate claims as premiership contender.
There’s not one of Hawthorn, Sydney or Collingwood that isn’t hoping to play them for the week off, and there’s not one of them that won’t be getting it, even if they have to travel to AAMI Stadium to do it.
So the Pies may yet have things work out in their favour, but turning their form around against the Eagles at Paterson’s Stadium won’t be easy. If they can’t scrape out a victory, fourth place is the best they can hope for, and a guaranteed Hawthorn or Sydney to come.
Adelaide has Melbourne and Gold Coast in the final two rounds, so we know they’re going to finish on 17 wins. Whether this will secure second or third is dependent on other results.
For the top-four finisher, winning the first final is always of the utmost importance, and this year it will be doubly so.
While the week’s rest is the most obvious benefit after a long and gruelling season, this year will see a bottom four more than capable of making a surge through to preliminary final weekend. None of the contenders wants to face a resurgent Geelong, a talented and disciplined West Coast, a white-hot North Melbourne, or even a Carlton that is back in form with nothing to lose.
All of those sides have beaten one of the top four this year, and the prospect of a team with the double chance going out in straight sets is a very real one.
If you’re a true fan of AFL football, you’ll be parking yourself in front of the TV this Saturday at 4.40pm, and you won’t be moving until six hours later.
By then, the key pieces of the premiership puzzle may just be in place.
Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for in his mind there is nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.
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August 20th 2012 @ 8:17am
D.Large said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
This guy is unbelievable; he’s been slapping Sydney all year!
“The first is that the week one home final, for so long in their grasp, will be gifted to another. The second is that the Sydney doubters will have been justified, the Swans finishing with three losses from the last four rounds, two of which will have been at home. Hardly the form of a worthy contender”
What if Hawthorn or Collingwood drop games in the last 2 rounds, what will their doubters think? Does that still make them worthy contenders?
August 20th 2012 @ 8:34am
brendan said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
The general lack of respect for Sydney in the media is astonishing they should be outright favourites.What your article hasn’t focused enough on Cameron is the highly probable West Coast win over Collingwood this week which will put the Eagles in fourth spot resulting in a torrid last game of the season between the coasters and the Hawks where the stakes are high for both teams.Adelaide could be a soft game in week two of the finals (assuming they lose in week one) resulting in a side from the bottom part of the eight making a prelim. Anyway the final series will be fantastic five sides all who have one flags in the last seven years and the other sides are hitting form at the right time.
August 20th 2012 @ 9:15am
Cameron Rose said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Brendan,
I don’t think you could ever call a win against Collingwood ‘highly probable’, we know how they love to travel interstate when their backs are to the wall. I’ve got no idea who will be winning that game, but West Coast won’t be beating Hawthorn at the MCG in the last round, I can assure you of that.
No one will be surprised to see Adelaide go out in straight sets, and every team in the finals will be wanting to play them instead of the others. I agree that the scene is set for a crackerjack finals series.
August 20th 2012 @ 9:59am
Nathan of Perth said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
I dunno, last week before finals and Hawthorn are one of the spongiest between the ears.
August 20th 2012 @ 1:06pm
hawker said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
Thats only if you run out in blue and white hoops
August 21st 2012 @ 11:26am
brendan said | August 21st 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
.Well Cameron the bookies have got the Eagles favourites so the money suggests it is a probable result.West Coast have a tall forward line and the hawks dont have the best key defenders so that game is not a certainty.
August 20th 2012 @ 8:58am
Christo the Daddyo said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Yes, the lack of respect for Sydney from the (mostly) Melbourne AFL writers has been disappointing, but hardly new or surprising. You’d probably have to class them as the most even team of all the contenders. There’s usually not a standout single player each week, but rather, a group that lifted for that particular game.
And I’m not sure Lewis Jetta is actually tiring – I think it’s more a case of opposing teams have worked out how to play against him a bit better, and he seems to be playing more as a genuine wingman, rather than pushing up forward as he did in the first half of the season. Which is why he’s kicked fewer goals over the last few games.
Was good to see Reid come back against the Buuldogs – he seemed to be in reasonable touch too. The forward line is greatly improved by his presence.
August 20th 2012 @ 9:12am
Cameron Rose said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Christo,
The fact is that Sydney have played fellow top four teams Adelaide and Collingwood once and lost to both of them, so it’s not unrealistic to ask for a bit more than beating up the Western Bulldogs or GWS a couple of times, the sort of teams they seem to play every second week.
Good point about Jetta, it’s good to see clubs pay him the respect of a hard tag. Part of his maturing will be how to handle these players, and has he got the energy this late in his first full year to work through it?
Is there room against hardened opposition for Reid, Goodes, LRT and Pyke/Mumford in the Sydney forward line. Will be interesting to see how it develops over the finals.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:29am
Richo said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
gee your a tought man to please. Sydney ended West Coast and Hawthorn’s winning streaks in their respective fortresses of Perth and Tasmania, beat Essendon, beat Geelong. They lost to Collingwood and Adelaide by single figure margins.
They are second behind collingwood in terms of fellow top 8 teams they have beaten.
Do you want them to win every game before you are satisfied?
August 20th 2012 @ 12:07pm
Cameron Rose said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
Richo,
Ultimately, I think the Swans are the third best team in it right now. The win over Essendon counts for nothing (remember that they had lost to Melbourne the week before, which says enough about where they were at) and they were outplayed by Geelong for three quarters.
Nothing less than a substantial victory was expected from me over a depleted West Coast who had used up their energy the week before to reel in North.
The Hawks game was an anomaly. The Swans were completely outplayed in the first half, and the Hawks were completely outplayed in the second.
At the end of the day, do I think the Swans will win the flag? No, I don’t. Can they win it? Yes, they can.
August 20th 2012 @ 6:38pm
TomC said | August 20th 2012 @ 6:38pm | Report comment
This is just nonsense. The result against Essendon means nothing because they lost to Melbourne the week before? What about the result the week after, when the Bombers beat the Dockers in Perth?
‘Outplayed by Geelong for three quarters’ is a stretch to say the least. Wasn’t until well into the final quarter that the Cats looked like any chance.
Equally silly to say that the Swans were ‘completely outplayed’ in the first half against the Hawks.
But apparently that was an anamoly. Just like beating the Eagles in Perth was an anomaly. The Eagles, of course, had used up all their energy on a game played just eight days earlier. Handing Carlton their only loss in the past five rounds was yet another anomaly, presumably. The Swans’ opponents had better hope there aren’t so many anomalies in September.
The only ‘anomaly’ that I see was the Collingwood loss, Sydney’s only loss since round 9.
Cameron, surely you’re reaching a point when you can see that your logic to justify talking down the Swans is getting more and more strained?
August 20th 2012 @ 7:30pm
EddyJ said | August 20th 2012 @ 7:30pm | Report comment
Cameron, you are very selective in your analysis of games of importance during the season. Here are some grand wins by the Swans this year: Sydney vs Hawthorn, Sydney vs Geelong, Sydney vs Essendon. According to you, nothing can be read into these victories, but close loses, such as those to Adelaide and Collingwood spell doom and gloom to the team. I’ll accept that you’re writing these pieces to get your audience geed up and agitated (as well as repeated the contents of your posts from several months ago), but it might be better to provide some more realistic analysis.
You also keep banging on about Geelong outplaying Sydney for three quarters. I think what you mean is they were outscored for three quarters, because they certainly weren’t outplayed. Anyhow, whatever you think, they still won the game.
The losses to Adelaide and Collingwood were close games that the Swans should have won but, of course, you don’t get points for losing. However, you do get points for WINNING games, and respect for this should be given (16 times this year for the Swans). Hawthorn has also played the same weak teams as the Swans have this year, but you suggest that the Swans play bad teams every second week – so they are at fault for this? You can only play against the team that turns up.
The Swans are the third best team? Why is that? Why don’t you say that Richmond is better team than both Sydney and Hawthorn, giving them both a wallop (29 points and 62 points)? Why not? Because they haven’t won enough games and played consistently throughout the year, and that’s what Sydney have done this year/
Why don’t you focus on more legitimate issues such as the Swans poor MCG record – they’ve only played their once this year though, or give some more thoughtful statistical analysis, rather than just the silly hunches that you seem to have. I think it might be time to lose your ‘Expert’ badge.
August 20th 2012 @ 8:13pm
Cameron Rose said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:13pm | Report comment
Eddy and Tom,
You have to go back to 1997 to find a team that won the flag after finishing outside the top six the previous year, and it’s happened twice in 30 years. More often than not, the team has finished inside the top four.
So yes, I’m going to stick with Hawthorn and Collingwood who were there last year and are in the top four again. It speaks to a consistency over a longer period.
Sydney are a good team who have improved to a degree where I now think they’re the third best team (hardly doom and gloom Eddy). The ladder says they’re on top, so if you want to say they’re currently the best, then you are within your rights to do so.
Sometimes you can inform an opinion looking deeper than the W and L. And Tom, if a side loses to a team like Melbourne, then I think we can say they’re not exactly in mint form.
As stated, this match against Hawthorn is defining. Win, and they take another step up the ladder of credibility. Lose, and that will be home losses to each of the other top three sides. If that happens, goodnight Sydney.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:38pm
TomC said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:38pm | Report comment
The Swans finished sixth last season, Cam. Seventh after 22 rounds, and then they made the second round of finals to officially finish in the top six.
And on the Bombers game, you can equally argue that if a side is comfortably beating the Dockers in Perth, they can’t be in too bad a shape.
‘Deeper’ analysis means looking at every relevant fact. Not just picking and choosing the ones that support your own opinion.
So far, the Swans’ record against the other teams in the top four is one comfortable win and two one-kick losses. Not great, but not terrible. If the Swans do lose on the weekend, they’ll still be around. They’ll probably still make the top four. It won’t be ‘goodnight Sydney’. You are making big claims with very weak evidence.
August 20th 2012 @ 9:26am
Paul said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
After flicking between both the Hawks and Swans games yesterday the Swans woud have to go in favourites this week. Hawthorn although beating the lowly Suns by 10 goals looked sloppy for all accounts. Sydney must have got a rev up at half time and then broke the shackles in the last. Both teams did not play their best and as we all know it is not as simple as flicking a switch.
In my opinion Swans win this week by 5+ goals and march into the finals. I wonder if going into the season with lower expectations (by the football public) than the much fancied Hawks, Pies, and early in the year Eagles and Blues gives the Swans that dare to dream advantage.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:15am
Matt F said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
I wouldn’t read too much into either side yesterday. Both sides didn’t turn up to play and clearly had an eye on this weeks game yet both still managed to win quite easily in the end.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:36am
Australian Rules said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Agreed Matt.
Yesterday’s game lacked any spark or intensity…and the Hawks rested Buddy for another week, as well as Mitchell.
It’ll be game on this week in Sydney…and the Hawks will win and finish on top spot.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:54am
Matt F said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
That’s an outrageous spelling error in your last line AR. Who spells Swans with an “H” and a “K”
August 20th 2012 @ 1:29pm
Australian Rules said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
I’ve always beena shoddy speller Matt.
I also spell Coleman with a B… and a …Y
August 20th 2012 @ 1:38pm
Andrew Case said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
It should be noted that Rioli, Franklin (CHF), Mitchell (centre) & Gibson (FB) were all out against Suns. Excluding rioli that is 3 of our middle 5.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:05am
Justin Curran said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t you have to win a big game at the end of September at the MCG to win the flag? Sydney’s recent history at the MCG is pretty woeful. Sure, they have been in great form and they are a balanced side, and blah, blah, blah but you have to win at the G to take home the chocolates. I will continue to be a ‘doubter’ until they put the runs on the board at the G.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:33am
Christo the Daddyo said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Yeah, fair call on the Swans lack of form at the MCG.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:34am
Richo said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Their lack of form at the G is exacebated by the fact they don’t play there much during the home and away season.
In recent times they have played quite a few of their MCG matches in Week 2 of the finals against top 4 sides. Considering the poor record teams 5-8 have had in semi-finals, this explains part of it.
I would like to see the AFL schedule more matches for the Swans at the MCG for the home and away season. They have only played there once this year.
August 20th 2012 @ 2:23pm
wisey_9 said | August 20th 2012 @ 2:23pm | Report comment
the Swans play best when they have the underdog tag…
hopefully we’ll make it the ‘G in the last week of September and everyone continues to write us off…
August 20th 2012 @ 10:12am
Matt F said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
I won’t be parking myself in front of the TV, though that’s because I’ll be at the SCG. It should be an absolute cracker. The weekends results couldn’t have gone any better for both the Swans and Hawks.
Although it was against a poor Bulldogs side, Sam Reid’s return seemed to really improve our structure and the number of tall players that we rotate through our forward line (Reid, Goodes, LRT, Mumford and Pyke kicked 14 goals between them yesterday) could stretch the Hawks defence, especially if Gibson doesn’t return.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:56am
Cameron Rose said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Matt,
As a couple of people have said above about Haw v GC, I don’t think we can read anything into yesterday’s match either.
I think it’s precisely those players which have people believing the Swans could be susceptible. Reid is a talent, but can he be relied upon to kick straight when the pressure is on? Goodes has been up and down since his return, and LRT is still LRT after all. Pyke has been playing extremely well, but no one will be surprised if he has no impact in finals, especially as a forward.
The Swans will be looking to pressure the Hawthorn ball carriers as Geelong did against them in the opening quarter a few weeks back. On the tight SCG, it will be easier, and they can secure top spot (although they may then face Collingwood at ANZ, which may not be a blessing).
August 20th 2012 @ 1:42pm
Matt F said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
I think it depends on the opposition. You could argue that none of those players are real top quality forwards but the number of tall options could stretch the defence of some teams. It’s hard to see those players doing significant damage against Collingwood as they have a good spread of good tall defenders who can cover them all to a degree however the Hawks defence isn’t as strong as that. They still lack a defender who can trult match it with the “monster” power forwards and they could be stretched to cover the number of talls that the Swans can put in the forward line.
This is especially true if Gibson doesn’t play, though I’d imagine he’d be fine for this weekend. The Hawks defence went to pieces the last time we played them especially after Gibson went down (though they weren’t helped by their midfield in the 2nd half either)
August 20th 2012 @ 4:33pm
hawker said | August 20th 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
“It’s hard to see those players doing significant damage against Collingwood as they have a good spread of good tall defenders who can cover them all to a degree however the Hawks defence isn’t as strong as that”
Hawthorn have conceded 132 points less than Collingwood over the first 20 rounds this year, they are 2nd to Sydney in least total points conceded this year.
August 20th 2012 @ 5:06pm
Matt F said | August 20th 2012 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
I was talking about tall defenders only, not the entire defensive unit. These days the traditional positions are fairly irelevant and defensive work is no longer exclusively the job of the back six but of the entire side. I think the Hawks are number one for inside 50′s conceeded (or they were very recently) which would suggest that their midfielders are doing a good job of stopping their opponents getting the ball into the forward line, which is a key reason why they’ve conceeded fewer pints than most sides.. The Hawks are probably a better overall defensive unit (across the entire ground) than Collingwood but I think that Collingwood have better tall defenders.
August 21st 2012 @ 1:22pm
kick to kick said | August 21st 2012 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
The best outcome for the Swans may well be to lose to Hawthorn then to beat Geelong – to my mind likely results. Assuming Hawthorn beat West Coast in the final week that would mean Sydney finishing second and hosting a qualifying final against Adelaide. Win that and they have a home prelim final, probably against Collingwood which would be tough but winnable. A Hawthorn Sydney GF would bring the best two teams in the comp head to head. Incidentally percentage is consistently a reasonable measure of team quality over the whole season and that has Hawthorn 1, Sydney 2.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:31am
Strummer Jones said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
I tend to agree that Swans don’t look like a top 2 side at the present. The team is about 3-4 guys short of quality which is holding them back. The players that don’t show up to ‘tough games’ will be there again this Saturday; Hannebury, McVeigh, Bird and Malceski. Mattner and Grundy are also well off their best form, and Goodes still seems to be carrying an injury. I didnt see the Hawks game, but hope the comments are correct in that they too are off their game a bit.
As an aside, I did see the Kangaroos game and they looked phenomenal! This must be the best chance in years for a non-top 4 team to take out the premiership, and at $21, must be worth considering.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:37am
Christo the Daddyo said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
“The team is about 3-4 guys short of quality which is holding them back”
See it’s this sort of comment I don’t understand. The team is a game clear at the top of the ladder – how exactly is the team being held back?!?!?
August 20th 2012 @ 11:00am
Cameron Rose said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Being a bit harsh about McVeigh there Strummer, and probably even Hannebery and Bird. Malceski has become a bit flighty for mine, but seems to be in reasonable form at the moment. You just hope he doesn’t let a game-changing clanger come off his boot at the wrong time. The best kickers always seem to make the worst mistakes.
The Roos will find it all too much at some stage, but they are certainly looking sharp. To destroy Collingwood without Wells and Adams was most impressive. If they get to play a final at Etihad, they’ll take some beating.
August 20th 2012 @ 1:29pm
Strummer Jones said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Cam,
No, this isnt being harsh on McVeigh. I did say this in the context of ‘Big Games’. I watch the Swans each week and I can tell you that McVeigh struggles in these Big Games (of which there are say about 5 per year) – disposal skill is poor under pressure, rarely wins a one-on-one, and cannot outmark. Tackling and tagging are his strengths, and if this is his sole job in these games then maybe it justifies his position. I just don’t see it. He had a good game yesterday (same with Bird, even though he looked like he couldnt run in one passage of play) but this wasn’t a Big Game. I truly want to see McVeigh get in the best three for this week’s game, but I think its unlikely.
Christo, the Swans could have beaten Collingwood, but were let down by a few players. They held them back. Longmire admitted this (see press articles). Additionally, lets say a team wins all of its games. Does this automatically mean it is a well balanced super team, or possibly a solid 18 man team with 4 “hanger ons”? Or maybe ask yourself this – Are the Swans the number 1 team to beat “today”? Please don’t respond “they are on top of the ladder”.
August 20th 2012 @ 1:38pm
Christo the Daddyo said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
My response IS ‘they are on top of the ladder’ – if only for the fact that this is the only objective marker we have. Teams can only play the games they have scheduled.
Anything is else is subjective. I could point out that the Swans have beaten the Eagles in Perth, the Cats in Geelong and the Hawks in Tassie, but that would simply be me being subjective…:)
August 20th 2012 @ 1:43pm
Matt F said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Cats in Geelong was last year, though we did beat them in Sydney this year
August 21st 2012 @ 1:56pm
Strummer Jones said | August 21st 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
If your response is “they are on top of the ladder” then you are still missing my point. Lets not forget that Adelaide lost to Brisbane last week…..but hang on, they were “second on the ladder”???
Note the following also about the Swans:
1. They beat Geelong last year in Geelong, no?
2. Recently struggled against St Kilda at home (watch the last quarter again on replay….they were very lucky to win)
3. Beaten by Crows, Collingwood and Saints this year
4. Just beat Geelong at SCG
5. Win against WCE, whilst admirable, was against an injury plagued team
6. Beaten at MCG by Richmond (see replay and note performance of the players I have listed)
If they beat Hawthorn this week then I will agree that they are a very good chance of winning the flag, but will still stick to my opinion that if the aforementioned players were traded/improved their game, Swans would be in a much stronger position and possibly close to favourites to win the GF.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:41am
Poohdini said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
The Poohdini is a long time member of the Black & White army. So I believe that the AFL is Collingwood & their is no other.
How someone can suggest that Sydney should be an out right favourite for the flag is beyond me.
Put Hawthorn up against the next best 4 teams at the MCG & you realise that the grand final winner is already etched in.
Poohdini Out!
August 20th 2012 @ 3:22pm
T said | August 20th 2012 @ 3:22pm | Report comment
“…I believe that the AFL is Collingwood & their is no other.”
Big statement for a club that has won 2 premierships in 50 years.
August 20th 2012 @ 4:16pm
Poohdini said | August 20th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
I love how people always say ‘ 2 premierships in 50 years’
Its like civilzation started in the early 1960′s.
It must be in a slag off Collingwood supporters book.
Rule no.50
Bag Collingwood supporters up until 1959. This is what we call the safe zone. Caution do not go beyond this period. You will be completely out of your depth.
Don’t bring up history unless your going to go beyond your safe argument zone.
August 21st 2012 @ 3:32pm
T said | August 21st 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
50 years is quite a significant period of time, is it not?
I know you know what I was getting at, but just in case I’ll spell it out for you – Pies fans love to think they support the greatest footy club in the land, but the harsh yet beautiful reality is that for all their alleged grandeur they really have achieved stuff all in what many would agree is a significant period of time.
August 21st 2012 @ 2:02pm
Strummer Jones said | August 21st 2012 @ 2:02pm | Report comment
“So I believe that the AFL is Collingwood & their is no other.”
The statement makes no sense, the spelling is atrocious and the logic, based on you being a “long time member of the Black & White army”, is difficult to understand. Can you elaborate on this point?
“How someone can suggest that Sydney should be an out right favourite for the flag is beyond me”.
Agree. I think only one person was suggesting this.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:56am
Pope Paul VII said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Hotting up nicely.
Would seem to be anybody’s but I think Syd still hold the whip hand. Can land huge pre final blows. Stakes are high. LRT and Mike Pyke may look cuddly but they are large, hard, capable and more than a handful. Mummy and Goodes might be insulted by your insinuation Cam but Reid is indeed the most vulnerable hence the need for the aforementioned big lads and a duel brownlow medallist around him.
The old Maggies forward line has gone to pot. They need some sorta revamp.
North are doing a fine impression of a dark horse, pity they are unlikely to pinch 4th.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:06am
Cameron Rose said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Pope Paul,
As much as the Pies are looking vulnerable, I can see things falling into place for them. At some stage they may well be playing Sydney at ANZ Stadium and/or Adelaide at AAMI, which basically gives them an edge due to their superior records there.
A midfield comprising Pendlebury, Swan, Beams, Thomas and Sidebottom will always be in with a chance, and Jolly is a big game player to give them some decent service and pop up for an important goal.
Their forward line is gelling about as well as oil and water at the moment, it’s true.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:47am
Nathan of Perth said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Mathematically impossible for North to get 4th now – I’ve been grumpy with them through the year for various reasons but I do have to admit that when they’re on song they are great to watch.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:20am
Pope Paul VII said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:20am | Report comment
Indeed Cam they are formidable and I hope they give West Coast a right touch up.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:40am
Gwils said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
For first time since 1997, the team which finishes 5th will be as much a a chance as the top 2 teams.
Swans are part of that mix.