Knights in shining armour more like chocolate soldiers
By M_Campbell23, 20 Aug 2012 M_Campbell23 is a Roar Pro
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On the Sunday Footy Show today, they showed footage of the 1997 grand final, when the Newcastle Knights produced one of the great grand final upsets to knock over the Manly Sea Eagles.
Down 16-8 at half time against the 1996 Premiers, the Knights came storming home, with the footage of Darren Albert’s final minute try still bringing a tear to many a Novocastrian eye.
It was a hard, courageous, and inspired performance by a team with far more character than natural ability.
What a difference 15 years makes. This year’s Newcastle Knights are a pale imitation of all those which have gone before them. They’re not a team without ability; they’re a team without character.
Nathan Tinkler made much of the club’s tradition when he bought the club in last year’s coup. He bought back the farm: Buderus, Tahu, and the vastly overpaid and overrated Snowden were all brought back to relive glory days.
Well Mr Tinkler, that famed Knights spirit has never been about the names or where the players came from. It has always been about attitude, and producing on the big occasion. It has also never been about money.
Sunday’s match at Brookvale Oval was a big occasion. After the limp, lifeless efforts of the first two thirds of the season, the Knights looked like they were coming good, and that they might be able to do something in the finals if they could win their remaining games. That would be a tough ask, but not impossible for the Knights who have always been able to surprise.
Not today. I started writing this article when the score was 22-4 after 20 minutes. It was 38-4 after 38. The Knights might as well have stayed on the bus.
The lowest point came in the 50th minutes, when Chris Houston trotted five yards offside off a goal-line drop out without a care in the world. He looked as if he was scarcely paying attention.
It began with a kickoff out on the full and continued from there. It has been that way all season on the big occasions.
In round one against St George, they were meek and went down in golden point to a Dragons side which has since proved tepid themselves. Away to Brisbane, they went down 24-0 inside twenty minutes, caught up and then dropped their bundle again. 30,000 came to watch them host the Bulldogs two weeks ago, and they were down 24-0 in fifteen minutes. And now their efforts at Brookvale.
Every time they have needed to prove themselves, they look as though they don’t even want to be there. Decorated though he is, Mr Bennett has to accept some of the blame when a side appears so devoid of motivation.
The Knights have infinitely more money and resources than the side of the 1990s and 2000s. But they have infinitely less character. In 2005 they lost 13 in a row to start the season and ended up with the wooden spoon.
Yet on their 13th loss, 18-14 at home to St George, 20,000 people stood and applauded. The crowd knew they were struggling, but they knew they were trying.
That’s why earlier this season, for what I suspect was the first time in the club’s history, Knights fans booed their players from the field after their home loss to Canberra.
No amount of money can create character within in a team. The now privately owned Knights will lose their public with more performances like their pathetic, miserable first half at Brookvale. All the Tinklers, Bennetts and dollars in the world are worth nothing to a team without heart.
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August 20th 2012 @ 8:35am
oikee said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
You will learn the hard way. No good trying to beat Manly at home, packed full of internationals and origin players, plus you also have the refs doing their best to keep the small Manly crowd happy. 14 thousand they came out in force.
With Manly allowed to hold down in tackles as well as the knights not even seeeing the ball for 12 minutes, that must be nearly 12 sets. I did not see the game. I have stopped watching Manly games, it is predictible what happens when the salary cap is killing huge junior feeder clubs, your one of those teams, like the Broncos and warriors, all 3 clubs bring through and rely on our juniors, while Manly are out into every junior nursery in 2 countries cherry picking the best juniors, so it will continue to happen mate. get used to it.
The big clubs have buckleys and none of beating Manly and their system, this shonky salary cap system that punishes the big clubs with juniors, and rewards weak Sydney teams.
Your club, the knights, will continue to spend huge amounts on juniors, only to have Manly come in and cherry pick the best juniors, for free.
Then they will cheery the Queensland juniors, and cherry the new zealand juniors, every year, year after year this will keep happening,” it is now”, it has been for 10 years now. Why do you think Manly are always in the finals, for 7 years, and it is only going to get worse.
Dont blame Bennett, or the knights, blame the system, the fake cap that is killing big clubs.
Think about what i have said, our clubs dont go out and cherry pick everyone’s juniors, we rely on our own juniors coming through, well if Manly want a junior from your club, they will offer them the Manly lifestyle, pay you nothing for stealing your juniors, while your team struggles then has to buy them back off Manly, and have to pay them big money, that comes back to your club, you have to buy them for huge money once Manly has finished with them, so your club is suffering not once, but twice.
Not just Manly, but Cronulla as well. You had to pay big money for Snowden, a junior you had to buy back for a small fortune.
This is happening under the guise of a shonky cap system that punishes the big junior based clubs. You get nothing for bringing through juniors, not a cent or any help. Your just punished.
I have made this clear. If you cant understand this or see it happening, i cant help you.
August 20th 2012 @ 8:59am
eagleJack said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
If you did not see the game then I don’t think you can comment on it. But one can only live in hope.
How many CURRENT Internationals and Origin players in the Broncos squad? Far more than Manly but again facts are never a pre-requisite for one of your rants.
I mean Manly have big Joe Galuvao who hasn’t played rep footy since 2004 yet he is still considered an International in your eyes. And was told by Russell Crowe in 2008 to give up on footy and concentrate on the church. He gets a bus and train to Brookvale each day for training from his home in Penrith. He was on $55k last year but has moved up to a whopping $60k this year. He is basically losing money playing the game he loves, trying to support a large family. But you no doubt assume because he played a few games for the Kiwis nearly 10 years ago he is on $400k. He is hardly living the “Manly” lifestyle you seem to think in your deluded world is a major selling point for the club.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:24am
Nate Hornblower said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
anytime you see oikee posting in a topic about Manly, you just have to hit the mental IGNORE button and move on.
As for the Salary cap, it sounds like oikee’s solution would be to scrap it and turn the NRL into the English Premier League where the Broncos & Bulldogs with all their cash will be Man United & Chelsea. No real rugby league fan wants to see that.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:52am
eagleJack said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Yeah i normally try to.
I just had a shocking start to the working week and came onto the Roar for a quick chill out. Only to be confronted with another oikee Manly bashing rant. So I let my guard slip.
The cap works well. I do agree with his compensation to clubs for bringing up juniors. But the fundamental flaw with his argument is that it won’t stop poaching. Nor should it. 100 juniors in the Broncos nursery doesn’t go into a squad of 25, with only a max of 5 spaces available each year. Oikee would have these young kids that miss out play another sport rather than have them go to Manly or another club.
All clubs poach juniors. Do the Broncos only get players from Brisbane (or better still just around Red Hill and surrounding suburbs)? Manly getting the Stewarts from the Illawarra is the same as the Broncos getting Dave Taylor from Blackwater. And there are dozens of these examples.
August 20th 2012 @ 12:38pm
oikee said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Yes, i am only talking about juniors, the salary cap has to stay.
I just dont think the clubs with huge junior bases are being rewarded. To me they seem to be punished, because you only get to pick juniors from the area you have your juniors.
Other teams can go all around the country, and to NZ and pick the best juniors by dangling a carrot in front of them.
We all know that carrot. It was talked about with Galuvao, 60 thousand, come on, tell him to go work in the mines for 150 thousand.
Plus he is a bench player. The starting 13 you never talked about, all internationals and origin players. Kite, play for oz and origin, King, origin, Ballin, Origin, yes only 1 game, but was still good enough.
Stewart Glen Watmough, Williams, all origin, that is the forwards.
Evenas, played for oz, Forun, Kiwi international, Lyons, refuses but was a origin and kanga, Matai, Kiwi,
Wolfman, kanga, Hoppa, was Origin, stewart blues .
Not sure of the other winger. ?
So maybe 1 winger is not international or origin, yet you brought up Galuvao. Go figure.
PLus the Broncos have to let players go to feed other teams, Yes Taylor, we let him go, Petro, had to let go, salary cap, Hannet, Stag Ennis, all went to Dogs, with Eastwood.
Even next year we are losing Teo and Beale, yet somehow Manly keep all the stewarts, Wolfman, Watmoughs Lyons Matai, Foruns Cherry’s everyone to keep a stable top team, yet the Broncos have to shed like a wounded whale to keep under the cap, you cant win ever if we keep this system, we could not win with the worlds best player, Lockyer.
The club lost 10 thousand fans, we had 51 at our last Storm blockbuster, while Manly gets 14 to a top clash from the kids up the road, the knights, and you think this is the way forward for league.
The Broncos are under huge pressure from 3 other codes. The AFL just annnouced a huge spending for the lions, the Reds are pushing 35 thousand to games, the roar soccer team is growing every year. Yet your happy to see a struggling Broncos feed Sydney teams while seeing your 1 Brisbane club play every 2nd week, being flogged.
Good luck with that, and it is easy to see why league is being belted from pillar to post.
I am just pointing out the obvious flaws.
The commission was brought in to make changes, these are the obvious ones that need changing.
2 Sydney teams have to merge or go or relocate. Which 2 go, i dont care, it has to happen for the good of the game. And then they need to fix this shonky cap syatem, not so much the cap, but the juniors have to be rewarded at clubs who bring them through from grassroots.
If we dont do this, clubs will just forget about having juniors, the game will die.
Why should the Broncos keep spending millions on juniors for no rewards, just floggings.
It makes no sense.
August 20th 2012 @ 12:47pm
Mals said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
What makes sense is another Brisbane NRL team Oikee. Forget your ramblings about losing players and/or juniors, every club goes through this.
August 20th 2012 @ 12:47pm
NF said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
oikee
It’s not the end of rugby league if the Broncos miss the finals this year which is looking like a real possibility, the Broncos will be fine and the additional 2nd Brisbane team will motivate them and push them even harder. Giving Brisbane the cross-town rivalry they deserve so chill oikee everything will be fine.
You complain that Manly make finals 7 years in row yet the Broncos make finals from 92 to 09 straight and noone complained about the dominance the Broncos had in the 90′s with the use of the QLD origin squad pretty much as there club team.
August 20th 2012 @ 12:55pm
mick h said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
the broncos had almost 42,000 on friday
August 20th 2012 @ 1:03pm
peeeko said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
Your ramblings are getting worse, does Brisbane own all juniors? What other pro football league in the world thinks that they have rights to players because they grew up in a certain area?
August 20th 2012 @ 1:25pm
eagleJack said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
oikee honestly mate are the Broncos really as hard done by as you think? They have more CURRENT origin players and CURRENT internationals in their side than any other club. And have had this since their inception.
And interesting that you say you let Hannant, Ennis and Eastwood go to feed other clubs. Yet were quite happy to take them from other clubs in the first place. Hannant – Roosters. Ennis – Dragons (debuted at Knights). Eastwood – New Zealand.
This year you are losing Te’o and Beale. Manly are losing T-Rex, Whare, Lussick and Harrison. Teams shed players. You just aren’t used to it cause the Broncos have managed to keep the best in the business since their inception.
Time to step into reality.
August 20th 2012 @ 4:38pm
MB said | August 20th 2012 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
50 000 people is only about 2.5% of the population of Brisbane and they rarely get that.
14 000 people is roughly 15% of the population of the Northern Beaches.
Nice try oikee
No reason Suncorp shouldn’t be a sellout every week.
August 20th 2012 @ 11:55am
Midfielder said | August 20th 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
ARRRRRRRRRRRRR … Oikee your constant rants about the mighty eagles and all evil they do … and you follow Brisbane … what’s that word irony …
How a small beach side club be be so upsetting… I think you and those Brisie boys have QLD chest’s … be pround as they are a long way from MANLY chests…
August 20th 2012 @ 8:43am
oikee said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
More proof is Penrith and Parramatta. Look at the juniors lost over the years, look at how they are going. ???
Mate, it does not take a rocket scientist to work out that the cap is killing big junior based clubs. These clubs are the future of the game, they have huge fan bases, with huge attendences, if they keep getting robbed for free, noboby will turn up.
They have to start rewarding these clubs, to even out the game and allow the big clubs to shine, they put in all the effort of bringing through all these huge nurseries, only to have small Sydney teams come along and take them for nothing. And they can go to all the junior nurseries, where as your club gets the lefovers, has to pay a fortune to keep them, and the good ones get inticed to go elsewehere for a lifestyle payment.
Your flogging a dead horse in this game,. flogging it up a hill. Pharlap got let off easy compared to the powerhouse clubs in our game, they are being punished at every turn, every corner, every hill.
August 20th 2012 @ 1:04pm
mick h said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
no oikee you are so so wrong about parramatta and penrith it is their talent identification program which is why phil gould (penrith)and Ricky Stuart(parra) have been brought in to retify this problem. how did parra and penrith lose all their juniors they did it themselves through poor management. how on earth is penrith letting lewis go an absolute disgrace.paramatta let mitchell moses go where has he ended up at the wests tigers good luck to them they have a great development program
August 20th 2012 @ 9:38am
Mals said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Good article M Campbell. It was Newcastle’s time to show yesterday, despite their poor record at Brookvale Oval, that their season was well and truly alive. Instead they didn’t start playing footy until the 2nd half. I would like to know what Bennett said in his pre-match speech, obviously it didn’t motivate his troops.
Shame as usual Oikee has tried to hijack this thread with his incoherent, unsubstantiated ramblings.
August 20th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Pot Stirrer said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Surely this result mocks the credibility of the Johns brothers and confirms that when it comes to the knights they are biased in there opinions on footy and its not just confined to the knigths
August 20th 2012 @ 12:19pm
Bill said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Suck it UP Princess!!!!
This is why we are the SILVERTAILS!!!
August 20th 2012 @ 12:50pm
oikee said | August 20th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
The silvertails will look pretty ordinary if anything happens to the Broncos, if you lost Brisbanes support you would have a 1 city code.

Your the Broncos of Sydney, and i expect your 5-6 feeder teams and massive juniors coming through will even grow it further. yeah right.
Think about that, Melbourne has 1 junior played first grade. NZ are floundering with rookie coaches and juniors being flogged (beaten) and flogged(by scouts).
The game is not even shown in Adelaide or Perth, with no tv or paper coverage. Mate, being silvertails has really helped the game grow, well done.
14 thousand, i cant get over that massive crowd.
Looking forward to the record crowds and tv veiwers to a Manly Cronulla Final.
I will be on holidays, i will look up the internet, no good reading the papers, Melbourne wont advertise the winner of the Sydney code. They dont now.
Thats what happens when you see the front row of trees, the forrest behind it is gone.
Just giving you reality, here is another, be happy with 850 thousand tv deal. That is the bid by 7.
If nine wants it, they only have to offer 851 thousand.
That wont grow the game, players wages, or expansion,.
August 20th 2012 @ 1:15pm
mick h said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
hey oikee does that include fox and skynz and the toyota cup(which the nrl currently get 3mill per year from fox)who really cares what adelaide and perth do . looking forward to the final series
August 21st 2012 @ 12:22am
Midfielder said | August 21st 2012 @ 12:22am | Report comment
oikee
Spot on about the Broncos… why then do you often beg that the Broncos should be the only team in Brisey… why not have three teams..
August 20th 2012 @ 1:51pm
NF said | August 20th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Also Broncos fans such as oikee who complain alot despite all the success the Broncos had in the modern NRL era which is the envy of other teams show how spoiled Broncos supporters are they take everything for granted to the point they can’t handle missing on finals for one year. Where other fans have to wait a long time just to get to the finals in the first place think about them oikee there mentally stronger than Broncos supporter who waltz over to other codes despite having everything handed to them on a silver platter. It seems Broncos fans are impossible to satisfy despite 6 premierships and the most successful sports club in Queensland.
August 21st 2012 @ 5:00am
Knight Vision said | August 21st 2012 @ 5:00am | Report comment
Are these articles written by wanna be journo’s ? the article just doesn’t even make sense ” In round one against St George, they were meek and went down in golden point to a Dragons side which has since proved tepid themselves” …..???? can you explain how a team can be meek in losing by 1 point ? 1 point sounds like good struggle to me. Kade Snowden is over rated and over paid ? have you actually watched many games this year ? have you actually looked at the stats ? By no means has he had a stellar season but it has been a far cry from poor, his stats are better than some that played SOO this year and in fact on the Knights forum he is currently sitting 3rd on fans vote as the best player for the year. I think that many fans and the author of this article included just repeat what they read in the daily papers. Phil Rothfield started the barrage of criticism of Snowden due to the fact he left his beloved Sharks . There aren’t many props in the comp many Knights fans would trade him for. Besides the season slump the Knights could easily have won a few more games and be sitting much higher on the ladder, as it is they are not far off the pace of much more fancied opposition such as the Broncos.
They are a new team with a new coach and a new system in place, the change taken place in the Hunter is not a change for instant gratification but rather for long term success. Second guess Uncle Wayne at your own peril. The Knights have the junior roo halfback with a handle full of first grade games under his belt , a good quality 5/8 with arguably one of the best kicking games in the NRL , a former dual international , a future superstar ( thanks Broncos) the best winger in the game and one of the best fullbacks going around, in another 2 years or so this back line can win the comp. With some added size and mongrel in the pack Newcastle will be a force, and finally with the money to be able to keep our junior talent coming through we will have the new generation of Bird’s , Cordner’s , Masons, Innes’s in our pack , guys that never should of left the club. Anyone who thinks the salary cap is fair to all is obviously a supporter of a wealthy club that can continue to offer unlimited 3rd party deals to keep a plethora of superstars on hand and are perennial finalists. I think the game we all love could even be better and produce more talent if clubs were rewarded for nurturing and being compensated cap wise to keep their talented juniors in their side. Who knows maybe then you will see more pride in the jersey when players are representing the area where they grew up, after all it is a tribal game.
August 23rd 2012 @ 12:12am
Kazzie said | August 23rd 2012 @ 12:12am | Report comment
As Knight Vision has said, the knights have undergone a lot of changes. As a fan I was not expecting them to finish in the top half of the table. The only fans the team will lose are fair weather fans. The real fans like myself will stick with the team through thick and thin which is what being a fan is about. Yes they struggled in the first half, but Manly at home with a full strength line up against a team that is still adapting and developing was always going to be a difficult game for the knights. Manly is tough for any team to beat at brookvale. In previous years the scoreline would have blown out in the second half. Manly on sunday were in the kind of form that would have blown nearly every team off the park. Wayne Bennett never promised success in the first year, he pointed out it would take a couple of years to get the team to where they need to be to be a powerhouse team like Brisbane or Melbourne. The team has been missing it’s captain for the majority of the season, a number of rookies have come into the team, new team members understandably have taken time to settle in. I have noticed since the team came back from their break after the canberra loss a change in attitude and belief. They also seem closer in bond as a team. Given that they will have a longer preseason, hopefully no players requiring off season surgery, and only a couple of new players to settle into the team, they will more likely have a better season next year.