Northern referees should be banned from southern rugby
By Phil Bird, 20 Aug 2012 Phil Bird is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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It was an amazing refereeing spectacle on Saturday night, as Allain Rolland enforced the letter of the law and allowed zero rugby to be played.
It was a game that resembled American Football more than rugby union, such was the stop-start nature of the affair.
I was one of the 80,000 people who came out to Homebush purely to see Rolland referee: the Wallabies and the All Blacks merely a sideshow. To have him destroy the spectacle of the game was worth it just to know his mother would be proud.
Bollocks. My $157 could have been better spent on a hangover.
The men in black succeeded in injecting some early flow to the game despite Australia’s fumblings, however Rolland’s tenacity outdid all as he blew the whistle like a demented hall monitor with an amphetamine habit.
Phase play was constantly being interrupted, players were pulled back, scrums were pulled up. 27 penalties might not sound like a lot, but when the crowd has no idea what they’re for, you need to ask questions.
Any ref who has ever played the game will know that for every penalty awarded there are about 100 indiscretions that go unnoticed. That’s rugby. That’s how it works.
It’s not that he was necessarily technically incorrect; from row 76 it was difficult to tell.
However this game was more stop-start than any of the 300 Super Rugby games this year, and frankly I don’t care if he was technically correct. I paid to see the Bledisloe Cup, and instead we got the Rolland Cup.
It’s no wonder the northern hemisphere is resistance to adapt to our ways. Change is contemptible for those made redundant by the evolution of a better, smarter, faster, harder brand.
The northern game has become banal and ineffective compared to what we’re doing down here. Even when Australia is playing badly, which is a consistent theme these days, they play more actual rugby than northern teams, with the exception of Wales and occasionally France.
We’re rightly proud of our footy down here, and while we’re obliged to endure their bringing down the standard of rugby in World Cups, we don’t have to endure it in our Bledisloe Cups.
Until the northern hemisphere can figure out how to play footy, their residents should keep their mitts off our game.
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August 20th 2012 @ 8:39am
Shungmao said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
I’m amazed how refs aren’t picked on form, all the rugby championship games have been allocated refs, what the $uc@! There is still 5 weeks to go, how do we know the ref in 5 weeks will be at the top of their game. For the June test series just past, the ARU website had the refs names allocated to the games, only problem that was in early april, again how does that work.
We should be using super rugby ref’s and the Argentinian ref who spent time here during the super rugby season. The current process is just the IRB making sure they have representation in the south.
NZ supporters should feel just as ripped off because if the game was officiated properly you would f won by more.
August 20th 2012 @ 2:28pm
Jokerman said | August 20th 2012 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
The ref was poor. The reason it has not been seen by the roar crowd here, is the poor decisions mainly favored Australia. Jeremy Paul, on the commentary in NZ said “The ref was Australia’s 16th man.”
Nz was pinged 3 times for offside. 2 of those was for a player binding on the side of the ruck with no interference to the player or ball, the other was for Ried rushing out and nailing Pocock. Reid was on side, I’ve paused it on the replay, he was fine.
All blacks had 2 tries disallowed. When Australia ran it out from their goal line, NZ counter rucked, legally and were penalized. Many didn’t realize Nz had just dotted the ball down.
The second disallowed try was when Australia bought the ball back into their 22 then kicked it out on the full, NZ takes a quick throw in, aware that Australia had taken it back, and scored. The ref wasn’t up to it, and had no idea. No try, should have been though.
3 scrum penalties each….Nz with a far more dominant scrum. That is irregular…
Sorry, Rolland was rubbish, he kept Australia in the game.
August 20th 2012 @ 3:13pm
Jerry said | August 20th 2012 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
The second example was correctly called back Jokerman – for a quick lineout, you have to take it on or behind where it goes into touch. So even if it goes into touch on the full you can only take the throw on or behind where the kick actually went into touch – not where it was kicked from.
There are new laws being trialled in the ITM Cup one of which is that if the ball is kicked out on the full, you can take the lineout right up to where the throw in would otherwise be.
August 21st 2012 @ 11:17am
mitzter said | August 21st 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Lets hope that doesn’t happen. I’m sick of the destruction of the lineout in favour of the crap quick throw-in, whilst scrum are allowed to take minutes each to complete
August 21st 2012 @ 5:01pm
Jerry said | August 21st 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
I think it’s a logical move to be honest – if the lineout is going to take place 20m from the tryline, it’s a bit of a nonsense to say a quick lineout can only take place 45m out or further.
August 22nd 2012 @ 4:42am
mitzter said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:42am | Report comment
But that is only if you think the quick lineout is a valid option in those circumstances. I don’t. I don’t like the fiddly and to me stupid laws about them, I don’t like the now seemingly impossible task to prevent the quick throw in (hell we’ve even had people red carded for it). Why should a team with a poor lineout be able to wriggle out of them wheras the real blight on the current game (the scrum) cannot be avoided?
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:25pm
Jerry said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:25pm | Report comment
That’s a different argument. If the laws on scrums need fixing, they need fixing. Has nothing to do with lineouts, though.
August 20th 2012 @ 8:56am
Gary Russell-Sharam said | August 20th 2012 @ 8:56am | Report comment
I actually thought that the reffing wasn’t too bad. He pinged both sides for blatant indiscretions and allowed both sides a bit of leeway.
The Wallabies played abysmally, they played like a group of schoolboys learning the game in comparison to the ABs who were not without their problems of being a bit rusty.
I thought that of the centre pairing Faingaa did as well as expected but I was as usual disappointed with Horne. Barnes was standing 15 metres out from Genia and 12 metres back and passing to Fanigaa to run the ball. How he was expected to make the gainline I’ll never know. And couplwe that with Genia taking a few small steps out from the ruck to pass, that made it even worse.
In the forwards Robinson is not the player he was I thought he had a crap game at set piece and around the park. Sharpe was the best forward and Samo was second to him when he came on.
Pocock was the student and Mccaw the teacher, actually Pocock’s game was poor and he should not be the captain he is not captain material.
Dave Dennis was average. and Timani should have been hooked at half time.
AAC had a mighty game as did Ioane
As usual half the bench was getting splinters sitting out the whole game without a run. why have a bench if you don’t want to use them?
Look out for the cricket score when we get to NZ
August 20th 2012 @ 9:00am
Sailosi said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
I can’t commend Alain Rolland any more on a wonderful performance. If players are going to consistently break the laws of the game they deserve to be punished. Yes his work at scrum time could be considered poor but a player such as David Pocock has no respect for the laws or the referee. We never read articles about the poor performance of an umpire for calling too many no balls in a cricket match. The players understand that if your foot goes over the line you will be punished. Players such as Pocock should be whistled out of the game, it has nothing to do with interpretation or complex laws. The laws are quite simple, you can’t play the ball on the ground with your hands and you can’t enter from the side. If players just want to consistently lie on the ball then it is not the referees fault. People laud Pocock for his work at thje breakdown, his accuracy bwould probably run at less tah 5%.
Whistle away Allan because of people like you this game will prosper.
August 20th 2012 @ 9:41am
Jay said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
I agree. I’m sick and tired of journalists and coaches moaning about referees calling penalties. Don’t get me wrong, I can hurl abuse at the TV with the best of them, but only if the referee gets it wrong or doesn’t call a penalty.
But to lambast a referee for enforcing the rules of the game is ridiculous. The number of games I’ve seen with referees being too lenient on players at the breakdown, who’s only goal is to stop quick ball and the rolling running game of an opposition is countless. Not calling penalties does more harm to an open game than not.
Here’s a tip, if you don’t want penalties whistled against you, don’t infringe.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:39am
Christo the Daddyo said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
+1
August 20th 2012 @ 6:16pm
just a fan said | August 20th 2012 @ 6:16pm | Report comment
+2
You could have has Steve Walsh whose whistle apparently stopped working in the 2nd half :/
August 20th 2012 @ 10:48am
Invictus said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
He needs a better appreciation of the principle of advantage. At least then the game might manage to flow a bit more.
August 20th 2012 @ 9:14am
winston said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
As a AB supporter I was disapointed with the game as a spectacle becuase of the constant interuptions from the Ref. Its not good for Rugby. The Bledisloe is the highlight in the Rugby Calendar in Australia. It needs to showcase how Rugby can be played with two teams willing to play positve running rugby. Traditionally it has been these two teams have led the world in this style. The weather was ideal. The scene was set for an entertaining game.
That said the players need to adapt to his calls and catch simple passes, but in this case the Ref was way over the top. Can’t really put a blanket statement on all NH Refs but this guy should’t be let near another Bled game unless he seriously changes his ways
August 20th 2012 @ 9:46am
Henry said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Well said winston the bledisloe cup is the highlight of the rugby calender. It is one of the very few games here in Australia where rugby is the no.1 game in town for the week. Like state of origin a lot of people who do not normally follow the sport often tune into this game and their opinion of rugby all depends on this one game. It does not matter one iota how good the super 15 was. It all just depends on the quality of this one game.
I had a few mates over who were not big rugby fans and unfortunetly they were not convinced on the spectacle. I have managed to convince them to come over next weekend and give it another chance. Hopefully nexts week game is a better contest where the referee is not the main talking point.
August 20th 2012 @ 2:03pm
moaman said | August 20th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Nigel Owens??!!??? Better tell your mates to come next year!
August 20th 2012 @ 9:19am
Football United said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
What crap, If you infringe against one of the laws then you are to be penalised. No if’s or buts. It’s not Rollands fault or problem that the players are too lazy or just stupid to learn the laws of the game.
As for the rest of the rubbish about slagging the northern hemisphere, there is more than one way to play rugby. Mindlessly running the ball like Australia is just one of many.
August 20th 2012 @ 9:34am
Greg said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Totally agree. I felt like I was 8 years old again leading up to this game. My first Bledisloe game in Sydney, big crowd (Roar function beforehand with great beer) I waxed lyrical to friends from the States and Spain on why they must experience this great world sporting fixture. They bought in to my lofty retoric and shelled out $120 to experience the clash of the titans.
Initially they were let down when the haka was not played over the pa. But what followed in the game will ensure that the next time this fixture rolls around…they will be at home watching So You Think You Can Dance… and I will to if something isn’t done about Northern Hem refs.
I was peppered with questions through out the stop start game from my friends new to the game.
“Dude why did the ref blow the whistle there?” “Not sure, a George?” “Whadya mean yer not sure? This is your game?”
“Pheww thisa game stops more than de traffic on de Parramatta Rd” “I know Jorge this is a bad example of a great game”
There is no chance they will be back for any other game. Lost to the sport. All down to a Northern Hemisphere ref. That game gives great ammunition to the neanderthals in the 13 man code for how boring Union is.
Forgive me for spelling and gramatical issues was educated in NZ.
August 20th 2012 @ 5:01pm
Warren said | August 20th 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
Greg – Why do you need to put down people who follow rugby league just because this test and the game of rugby union in general is getting boring to watch (not my view but those of RU supporters on this page). I am a rugby league supporter who looks forward to the Bledisloe each year and I also enjoy RU when it is played in a flowing manner. I am sure I speak for all RL when I say that I do not appreciate your comments and it shows what seems to be the general view of RU fans towards RL fans. Maybe a suggestion on how the game can improve through either new rules or tactics is a better option than putting down a code that can produce some of the free flowing play that you are so desperately looking for.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:19pm
Greg said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:19pm | Report comment
Hey Wazza. Just tit for tat mate. I just hear a lot on the RL footy shows about how boring Union is. Protecting their great game etc.. I didn’t grow up with it.. have no doubt there are some amazing athletes and players in it. But I find it boring.. running into a straight line. It seems like every time a team has the ball near the other teams line it should be, or generally is a try. A bit like basketball compared to Union.
When watching a league game live (granted it has mostly been the Warriors) the players look so lazy off of the ball. Have been amazed at people walking in d etc.
Wonder what is the more physically exhausting or harder game fitness wise.
Just tukin the puss there Waz.. no hard feelings.
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:10pm
Montee said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:10pm | Report comment
Greg as a league fan I agree league games can also be boring. I like to watch the super 15
August 20th 2012 @ 9:34am
Jock M said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Don’t blame the mess that Rugby is in on the northern hemsphere.
The whole game is a contrived for TV mess and more like League than Rugby was.
The Northent hemisphere is just a convenient whipping boy.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:48am
Brett McKay said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
one of these days Jock you’ll realise that TV is paying the bills for the professional game. You can’t have one without the other, though I suspect you might not want either..
August 20th 2012 @ 9:43am
Linkage said | August 20th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Northern Referees should be sent down here as exhange referees & ours go North to bring there game to the same format as our games down under. They the northern Refs work along side as refs & lineman to the speed of the game get into how the game is played.
Rugby today is faster and exciting to view & watch, people are paying big dollars to watch the team or teams they support & follow,the last thing they want is the game to be slowed down and be like the old format, they got to realise the refs they got to lift there game since people are there to see exciting running, teams set game plans been played out.
When I first got to see super 10 rugby some years ago It was the 1st time I saw a game that was fast & exciting to watch, Since I’m originally from NZ, I see this style of rugby like when Kerry Packer brought 1 day cricket to what we have today fast & exciting to watch & now its got even faster to 20/20. Without your spectators you don’t have a game because its the supporters & viewers who are paying to see a good game & a result.
August 20th 2012 @ 10:24am
Steve said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Henry you think you had it hard. My sister’s getting married to a Canadian next week and I have a couple of his Canadian relatives staying with me for a week and they’re big sports fans. I organised to watch the rugby league and the Bledisloe on Saturday night and the afl yesterday. By last night they had resorted to watching water boil.
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August 20th 2012 @ 10:53am
Brett McKay said | August 20th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Basher, certainly Rolland took a lot of sting out of the game in the last 30 minutes, where I suspect the ‘ball in play’ stat would be less than the ‘referee’s lecture in play’ stat. I do agree with comments here that he policed things pretty well overall, but you couldn’t help leaving the ground thinking he didn’t have a real good feel for this particular game..