Limp Wallabies give All Blacks pathway to new Test record
By Paul Cully, 22 Aug 2012
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Further indignities await Wallabies fans beyond the graveyard of Eden Park on Saturday night, because the third Bledisloe Test, in Brisbane on October 20, could be a match of some significance for different reasons than first imagined.
The All Blacks’ flawed yet comprehensive 27-19 win in Sydney, built on a one-sided physical contest at the gain-line, has increased their current winning streak against all opposition to 11 games.
Should they continue in this manner, Brisbane would represent a 17th consecutive victory, equalling the mark of their 1965-1969 team and Nick Mallett’s Springboks (although Lithuanian readers will be quick to point out that their national team broke that record in 2010).
That would leave them needing to win the November 12 Test against Scotland in Edinburgh to move to 18 successive Test wins.
The disappointing first weekend of the Rugby Championship – denied a memorable contest by a mixture of poor skill levels and overly technical refereeing – offered little evidence that the New Zealanders won’t go very close to etching their names into history.
Saturday’s win increased their winning percentage against Australia under Robbie Deans to the region of 85 per cent.
Since professionalism in 1996, they have significantly increased their winning percentage against all teams, up from 71.19 per cent to 81.48 per cent (before Saturday night). New Zealand coaches hold every major piece of silverware, from the Heineken Cup to the World Cup. Their dominance is such that the modern All Blacks have effectively detached, statistically at least, from the rest of world rugby.
Worryingly for the competitiveness of the first four-nation southern hemisphere competition, injuries threaten to compromise the challenge from elsewhere. The Wallabies can point to David Pocock’s knee problem as the latest misfortune to befall them, but news of Bismarck du Plessis’s long-term injury has greater significance.
The Springboks at least understand the level of physicality required to sustain a challenge against New Zealand. Australia, save for a few worthy exceptions such as Nathan Sharpe, were stuck in Super Rugby mode in Sydney.
But without the Sharks hooker, who is integral to their uncomplicated but brutal approach, South Africa are a much diminished side. Du Plessis’ replacement, bustling Cheetahs No.2 Adriaan Strauss, is a fine player but with Chiliboy Ralepelle also on the sidelines they start to look a little light. Tiaan Liebenberg and Craig Burden, energetic contributors at Super Rugby level, are next in line behind Strauss.
The Springboks are already without Schalk Burger, another long-term occupant of the casualty ward, while it while take a while for the outstanding young second-rower Eben Etzebeth to impose himself at Test level in the style of a Bakkies Botha.
With a tricky looking assignment in Dunedin on the cards – the week after a Wallabies Test in Perth – the Springboks’ best chance against New Zealand probably lies in the October 7 match in Soweto. Yet their inability to manufacture tries, evident again against a determined Pumas side at the weekend, is a weakness that the All Blacks will cruelly expose even at altitude.
There is so much power, pace and guile in the New Zealand game at the moment that a back-line of Kerr-Barlow, Barrett, Ellison, Fruean, Savea, Guildford and Taylor could be constructed out of players who didn’t even make Saturday night’s 22. Assemble that lot anywhere but in New Zealand and they’d all be starting Test matches.
As for the Wallabies’ prospects, realism demands that the immediate targets are sadly downgraded from silverware to respectability. There are too many holes to plug and too much splintered confidence to reason otherwise.
While reassurances were given before Saturday night about tough training sessions, demons must have already taken their place in the heads of some players. A lack of belief seemed to accompany them onto the paddock, and it manifested itself in physical timidity.
There were many instances of it during the night, and to single one out is a little unfair, but Richie McCaw’s running line in the 51st minute to create a gap for Israel Dagg summed it up. McCaw strode back 30 metres to get on Dagg’s side of Rob Horne, easing the Waratah out of the way so the fullback could glide past.
It was classic McCaw, walking on that fine line of legality, but there are a number of Wallabies centres of recent vintage who would have never allowed him to get away with it.
Paul Cully is a freelance journalist who was born in New Zealand, raised in Northern Ireland, but spent most of his working life in Australia. He is a former Sun-Herald sports editor, rugby tragic, and current Roar and RugbyHeaven contributor.
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August 22nd 2012 @ 2:40am
Johnno said | August 22nd 2012 @ 2:40am | Report comment
-The Ab’s are almost at unbackable favourites i would assume this weekend. Shortest odds vs wallabies in a long time.
-Last weekend reminded me of the test since ei been watching rugby 1997 disaster bledisloe match at christchuch in 1997 men like Marco Caputo did not play much test rugby again, and Tim Horan was used as 5/8 that match, and matt Cobain made his debut in 2nd row.
-Reality is aussy rugby is a mess. I liken it to England cricket in the 1990′s. The Lions series really worries me if we get belted in it , and have a bad world cup in 2015 aussy rugby could be in the doldrums for 10 years or more. The difference between cricket in the 90′s for england and rugby now for the wallabies is this.
-Rugby is expanding in more nations rapidly than cricket is today, and today no more teams are playing test cricket back then as they are now. Where as rugby is expanding.
-We could become a tire 2 nation with in a few years by rugby world cup 2019 in Japan or deifnalty 2023 if we don’t pick up our act.
-We could be like where Canada and Georgia are now in 10 years, and those 2 teams will be where we are at or Italy ar at within 10 years.
-We are a mess and the ARU needs a cleanout they did it in tah land and they need to do it at the ARU.
-I fear we are going to get smashed, we may not get flogged by 40 but it is the way in which we will lose that worries me. We will lose all the crunh moments, the ab’s will be toying with us i fear maybe not treating us as a training run but always in charge and the ability to step up at anytime when the time comes. Kidna like the old Bronco’s or canberra raiders team of the 90′s they can step up when they have to but stay in cruise control.
-Wallabies to be dominated this weekend in all facets of rugby this weekend , by the ab’s, i really feel aussy rugby is like englaish cricket in the 90′s. They have to re-model and fix themselves up.
-The AFL and now NRL have a big pay tv deal, but rugby can too. Yes england cricket had the big EPL sucking out big money but that was in different seasons, we can still make big money there is enough market share in the next SANZAR deal our ratings are up. The next sanzar deal probably can’t come fast enough , to start at 2016, record super rugby ratings.
-The NRL will be cashed up to get local aussy rugby juniors. Either way i will be happy when JON leaves year. We have potential in OZ just have to maximise it. And we need a 6th super rugby team , west sydney,adeliade, or gold coast or newcastle.
-I hope this ARU governance is a success, tah land has had a clean out next the ARU.
August 22nd 2012 @ 3:15am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 3:15am | Report comment
And there will be 50 point thrashings when the NRL’s new billion dollars are used to plunder the Australian youth ranks and the AFL gets into every school with rugby.
But then the NRL and AFL with their new teams and billion dollars will plunder New Zealand’s youth ranks and so the scores will even up.
And when Australia and New Zealand play Wales and Ireland the day will arrive when they are thrashed 50-0.
And it’s because the ARU chose to put 2 or 5 teams against the NRL and AFL’s 15 plus (which also have finished cricket and Olympic sports by taking all their talent).
Good luck to Argentina: at least they have no NRL and AFL to compete against.
South Africa indeed are the only other team to come out of things safely.
August 22nd 2012 @ 3:45am
Kuruki said | August 22nd 2012 @ 3:45am | Report comment
“And when Australia and New Zealand play Wales and Ireland the day will arrive when they are thrashed 50-0.”
Surely even you don’t believe that tripe. There is no shortage of talent in NZ. If the NRL want to spend big money strengthening the Kiwi rugby league team then that’s great for NZ. But they will only ever scratch the surface because the real gold is the Black jersey.
August 22nd 2012 @ 3:46am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 3:46am | Report comment
Kuruki the NRL and AFL soon will be able to pay many more times what the NZRU can pay to teenagers and are already raiding Auckland.
New Zealand shouldn’t be like Australia and assume everything’s fine until its too late.
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:18am
katzilla said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
I agree with the comment KPM that the NZRU shouldn’t wait until its too late, but almost any youth that is good enough to choose his destiny is going to pick a chance at the black jersey over a chance in a foreign game.
Some at a national comp level may choose to give Afl a go, and good on em.
As far as league goes the NRL junior competition already has a disproportionate amount of young Kiwis, something between 30-40 % I believe?
Even if they were to double that number to 80% there would still be enough talented Juniors for NZ rugby.
League and Afl will be good news if they decide to spend money in NZ, and they might make some indentations, but in the end they’ll just end up like Adolf’s Panzer divisions in Russia.
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:23am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
katzilla the NZRU need single private owners so as to pay young players enough to keep the NRL and AFL off, and more teams to house them.
Even that won’t be enough, and more money is needed from somewhere: hence the idea of expansion to Japan and the U.S. for TV rights.
New Zealand shouldn’t assume because rugby is on top and has been for years that this couldn’t change. Remember the Australian cricket team was pretty good as recently as the 90s and had been for decades?
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:35am
Emric said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:35am | Report comment
KPM never under estimate the power of the Black Jersey.
August 22nd 2012 @ 2:34pm
guinness14 said | August 22nd 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Geez KPM, you are nothing but a ray of sunshine. Look mate, you must have a crystal ball stashed some where to be able to for see the future. So what if these youngsters play AFL, League Or Union. If we lose some of our Kiwi boys to AFL and League because of the money can you blame them. It is all about the moola these days and good luck to them. That Black jersey still has a lot of power. AB Western Force and Crusaders supporter. Cheers.
August 22nd 2012 @ 3:54am
Johnno said | August 22nd 2012 @ 3:54am | Report comment
Kuruki, the warriors are trying to become the biggest sports club in the Asia-pacific. You would of heard about there ambitious plans it was last month .
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10820736
-NZ only has 4.5 million people they do not have unlimited rugby union depth. And to say kiwis do not sell out to the almighty dollar and put the all black jersey 1st is laughable.
-Dna carter and Mccaw are paid big time but the rest are not as high. The following who gave up the black jersey even if not regular ab’s still gave it up and some were regulars.
-Carl Hayman
-Nick Evans
-Luke mcalister
-Steve Donald
-John Afoa
-Neema tialata
-Chris Jack did when still a regular AB
-Jerome Kaino
-Bryan Kelleher
-And now wait for it SBW
(oh an i will add some rugby players of the amateur era who sold out to league for a few bucks. Matt Ridge, darrly halligan, kurt sherlock, A certain SIr john KIrwan, and macro ellis, and craig Inness, and John Timu, and big Inga Tuigamala.
-So to say kiwis will not sell out the AB jersey for the betterment of helping develop super rugby and the ab’s and grass roots rugby , is a total myth Kuruki and KPM is right there, kiwis are no different money comes 1st. The rugby world cup in NZ in 2011 was a 1 off thing in your home country don’t expect the same sentiment in 2015 if players get big money before it they will go to league or AFL.
August 22nd 2012 @ 4:11am
Kuruki said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:11am | Report comment
And there is currently a void in NZ rugby because of it? Hell no look at the players who can’t even get a sniff into the All Black squad.
There is a pathway for Teenagers in NZ to go from School rugby straight into ITM cup and Super rugby. The NRL will need all the money it can get to challenge the pathways and foundations of Rugby in NZ. Do you honestly think the NRL will pay some young unproven kiwi teen the same amount of money they can make playing ITM cup? Hell no.
The NRL have been poaching young Kiwi talent for years scholarships to Aussie schools have been offered to Kiwi teens for years.
If anything the money could be used to improve junior competitions in Australia. The wages of the players will increase and so will the wages of the white collars. I highly doubt the NRL will have enough money to challenge the landscape and pathways already existing for young rugby players in NZ. They will merely create opportunity for some that may not have got one otherwise.
August 22nd 2012 @ 4:22am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:22am | Report comment
‘Do you honestly think the NRL will pay some young unproven kiwi teen the same amount of money they can make playing ITM cup?’
Yes!!!
August 22nd 2012 @ 4:32am
Johnno said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:32am | Report comment
I agree KPM of course they will . That is what the Under-20 comp is for KPM. It’s testing ground to see what players are up to full time adult pro footy. So they can afford to lose a few here or there. And if you are a poor kiwi in sth auckland and at 18 get offered $30,000 a year to play in Townsvile free rent, and free elite training, even if you have a secret desire to play rugby you will take it with both arms, if the ITM cup offers you nothing or $10,000. Id take 2 years in Townsville get some elite training get my body conditioned and if i cant get a NRL contract or a super rugby contract i will try Europe as it is expanding. You can make great money playing french 2nd division rugby. Heck Samoans and tognans are popping up in Italy and in Romania of all places too now. But if your are any good you’s much rather if you form Auckland much rather make your money in Townsville or Newcastle than in french 2nd division , . And rugby league os offering pathways now more than ever to the top. rugby is behind the 8 ball here. And league needs talant as it is increasing squads so they will widen there scouting search and NZ junior rugby is beautiful production line just on there doorstep that they can pacha for free no transfer fees no nothing.
Heck players like Benji marshall were rugby players 1st then he came to OZ and played league at school not rugby and was lost as there was no rugby team. He should be an ab or wallaby now not a west tiger.
-College football in america gets used by the NFL to be a testing ground and we got no none of that in rugby an elite under 20 comp.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:28am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:28am | Report comment
Johnno it’s all over and for cricket and Olympic sports too. Australia’s days as a great or even significant international force in sport are at an end.
You can retire the gold, green jerseys, caps, whatever. In their place put on the colours of whichever suburb of Melbourne or Sydney you hail from and go to support your local AFL or NRL team.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:33am
mania said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:33am | Report comment
KPM- dude u gotta cheer up. it cannot be this bad. its only money they’ve been given. with a bit of intelligent marketing it can be countered.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:44am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
mania you have to remember that the ARU have singlehandedly put rugby in a terrible position with regard to its rivals, seem to have no awareness that their code is being thrashed by the competition, and yet they are the ones that are supposed to save the day!
August 22nd 2012 @ 4:16am
Kuruki said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:16am | Report comment
Johnno i am not talking about the players already at the top of the game we are talking about the kids who are coming through the system from the bottom.
August 22nd 2012 @ 4:33am
Johnno said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:33am | Report comment
But kuruki if rugby is one the wane in NZ less kids will play rugby if league becomes part of the fabric more in NZ.
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:18am
Team taniwha said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Who said rugby was on the wane in NZ? Unlike Australia, rugby is booming on the aftermath of rugby world cup, crowd attendances are up.
Anyone who has spent a decent amount of time in NZ knows the rugby is a religion. There is no real competition from other sports, the Warriors keep shooting themselves in the foot. Just look at the media coverage, it is saturation rugby. Unlike O’Neil, Tew tries to keep out of the media if anything.
A good comparison could be Gaelic football in Ireland. It would have massive competition from football and the English premiership in terms of money but it continues to thrive.
August 22nd 2012 @ 2:12pm
Sprigs said | August 22nd 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
They couldn’t even fill that tiny ground in Christchurch for a big game this year. The excuse? Too cold. Ha!
August 22nd 2012 @ 8:44am
WQ said | August 22nd 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
KPM/Johnno,
You should not remotely make any comparisons between the problems that exist in Australian Rugby to New Zealand Rugby. It is the same sport however played by a completely different people with a completely different expectation from their involvement in the sport.
New Zealand Rugby has its problems however they are completely different problems to Australia and any attempt to lump them together is simply naive.
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:03am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
WQ Australia is in far greater trouble sure, but the NRL plan a second team in NZ, and the AFL plan a team.
These codes have a billion dollars to spend each, and will be able to pay more to teenagers than the NZRU. Australia and New Zealand face the same threats.
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:00am
WQ said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Fair call KPM and I understand the potential threat that these cashed up codes present. However these sports do not pose anywhere near the threat to Rugby in New Zealand as they do in Australia.
Rugby is deeply entrenched in the average New Zealanders psyche as something more than just the sport of Rugby.
It is the only thing that New Zealand has continually dominated the world at. New Zealanders have had plenty of success on and off over different periods in every other aspect of life, including excellence in other sporting codes, however they have only ever continually dominated the world in one thing and that is Rugby.
Kiwis will not let that go on a whim.
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:11am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
WQ you could have said the same about cricket in Australia until the AFL and NRL took over its talent pool.
New Zealand is certainly in a stronger position to face these threats in terms of the strength of the game you’re right, a far and away stronger position. However, it has one weaknesses: a complete lack of awareness that there is any threat at all which at least isn’t the case in Australia.
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:20am
Hurl said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
KPM, how do you know the NRL and AFL took over the cricket playing pool? What do you base this on? And the Olympic team?? c’mon I can’t see how the talent pool of swimmers, rowers, runners cyclists etc has been pillaged by 2 football codes.
And it wasn’t just the male athletes who under performed, the women also under performed and you can’t tell me the NRL and AFL have raped and pillaged their playing ranks as well
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:28am
mania said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
KPM – WQ cant tell how ingrained rugby is in our psyches but it is.
i’d welcome a better league presence in NZ anyway. i loved playing league almost as much as rugby.
the difference with NZ is our grass roots. as i mentioned yesterday rugbyisnt a religion its family.
KPM u dont understand the value of our grass roots system. on the weekends it isnt a gathering, its a family reunion. as someone else mentioned rugby is much more social than other sports. this is more true in NZ. every weekend we go support rugby. when we go watch our kids, friends, family play we get to know all the other supporters as well if we dont know them already.
NRL and AFL will need alot more than money to overthrow rugby in NZ.
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:34am
WQ said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
You are right about ARU and Australian Rugby lovers being aware of the threat and are already trying or at least thinking about how to respond.
I don’t think the NZRU nor your average Kiwi is ignorant to the threat, however they don’t believe it has the same potential for them as it does for Australian fans.
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:50am
Kuruki said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
If you think Aussie rules is going to have an impact in New Zealand you are kidding yourself. it is hated passionately by most of the country.
August 22nd 2012 @ 1:38pm
stillmatic1 said | August 22nd 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
the codes do NOT have anywhere near a billion dollars to throw around at all. geez. the tv networks just dont bring a big bag of cash and say “here you go, have fun”!! this money when broken up and distributed will basically try and prop up a large proportion of clubs in each comp to help them remain viable. will not leave much at all to expansion or other fanciful ideas of a NZ AFL team or another league team. KPM, stick to what you know and not what you think you know (without evidence).
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:12pm
Trevor DeAngelo said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:12pm | Report comment
KPM what you are saying could not be further from the truth. If it was possible – it would still take many many years for the NRL or AFL to undermine NZ rugby. To be honest I doubt that AFL will ever take off there. Rugby is a totally engrained part of the culture – it is an ethos. League just won’t make more than a dent.
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:31pm
IronAwe said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:31pm | Report comment
Pulease, league will never be big anywhere outside of Australia.
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:33am
Hurl said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
To be fair WQ South Auckland is already donkey deep in NRL and AFL scouts. (not to mention Aust S15 scouts as well) and they do currently take some talent from first XV’s. This is only going to get worse, but to the Blue’s credit, they have woken up and doing something about it.
There is also to some degree an ebb and flow with code changing. 10 years ago the flow of junior payers in NZ was definately from League to Union but I don’t think there will be a reversal to the same degree. League still cannot offer as much as Union, after all there’s only 16 teams in the world worth playing for. (well…maybe a couple more in Northern England)
The struggle for Union in NZ is being able to continue to fund a strong ITM competition. A successful stint here can lead a player to any of 10 super franchaises in Australasia or one of many clubs in Europe
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:48am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
Hurl those scouts will be richer now and able to offer more, and there will be maybe two instead of one NRL team nearby and an AFL one.
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:52am
WQ said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Good Morning Hurl.
Good points you make and I have no doubt that the NRL and the AFL scouts will be trying to pick the eyes out of the talent pool. I also have no doubt that they will succeed with grabbing some of them as well. The effect this will have on Rugby in New Zealand however will be miniscule compared to Australia where these codes are an established part of growing up.
I agree that the struggle for New Zealand is to continue to fund their pathway for young players to reach not only the All Blacks for the very best, but a professional career playing anywhere in the world. Currently that is done via not only the ITM Cup, but excellent schoolboy programs and strong regional Rugby comps.
The creation of that pathway and the process of reward for traveling that pathway is what keeps New Zealand Rugby strong.
August 22nd 2012 @ 11:54am
Hurl said | August 22nd 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
You’re right about the pathways that Union players have available. I think the Australian Rugby Union knows this but I don’t understand why they haven’t done something about it. Using the S15 as a domestic competition is flawed logic and we’ll never know if the domestic competition they started after the 03 WC would have succeded as O’neil pulled the pin.
maybe O’Neil was correct to pull the pin, but there was nothing offered in its place
August 22nd 2012 @ 12:03pm
Hurl said | August 22nd 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
KPM nice to see you only acknowledge the bits that support your views. Maybe you’re right about a second NRL team, but a second will have to be away from Auckland and outside of Auckland it may struggle for continued support. The struggles the Warriors have had over the past dozen years (ownership, performance etc) tells me that the necessary resources may be shy in getting involved
I doubt an AFL team will be set up any time soon. There is passing interest on a semi serious basis with a competition in Auckland but it’s not a game that people here understand so to get a team underway that could compete with the Australian teams is not feasible in the short to medium term anyway. And remember the AFL expansion in Aust came about by transplanting teams from Melbourne rather than organic growth
August 22nd 2012 @ 1:31pm
WQ said | August 22nd 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
Hurl I think you have touched on an excellent point about the expansion of AFL in Australia and why it will not happen in New Zealand. The AFL did this in areas that already had an established Aussie Rules competition up and running. The benefits to this are attached to crowd numbers and bums on seats at home games. They also did it in major metropolitan areas with 100′s of thousands of people living in them.
I am not aware of any such competition in Auckland, please correct me if I am wrong, so where will the crowd numbers come from?
August 22nd 2012 @ 2:00pm
josh said | August 22nd 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
“And remember the AFL expansion in Aust came about by transplanting teams from Melbourne rather than organic growth”
Hurl, only Sydney was, via old South Melbourne. The Brisbane Bears was a stand alone club, before it merged with Fitzroy. Please check your fact to avoid misleading arguments. I can understand that the wealth the AFL and other codes have at their disposal is a point of contention to the rugger types. Maybe Union should have gone professional earlier…
As an aside NZ has finished in the top 3 every time they have competed in the Australian Football International Cup.
August 23rd 2012 @ 8:10am
Eddo said | August 23rd 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
All of those players left after 07 and NZ still won the World Cup. Says a bit about the depth, no? Fair play that you should never think it’ll always be rosy for NZ rugby, but, much as the baggy green has a mythical sway in Australia, the black jersey is all that and a little more in NZ. What else is there to do there?! (Kidding).
NZ has been losing more of its best players than any country since the advent of professionalism, but the mentality – perhaps a bit more recently – has been to get on with it. In 09 the ABs were a bit thin and were vilified for losing 4 tests out of 14, yet they bounced back with much the same team and won RWC.
The point I’m eventually trying to make is that it will always be thus, regarding NZ’s talent drain. But the ABs winning the RWC in their back yard will have inspired a generation of youngsters to chase the jersey as much as the lucre. Perhaps this will help to redress the impending imbalance.
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:55pm
liam said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:55pm | Report comment
if nz is being pillaged by all this new deal money, whats to stop the scouts going to SA? to argentina? to ireland, wales for goodness sake? if the money is really such a big mover, they’ll be pulling from all over wont they?
August 22nd 2012 @ 3:23am
Steve said | August 22nd 2012 @ 3:23am | Report comment
It’s interesting Johnno to see what rugby wants to do. At the moment the current super rugby deal is worth the same or very similar to the nrl and afl on a per game basis. If they decided to create an 18 team 20 week competition they would undoubtably get more than the afl and nrl as at the moment more people watch super rugby even with half as many games. Rugby is a hugely undervalued code but the calendar is such a mess that it makes the broadcast deal difficult to sell.
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August 22nd 2012 @ 4:03am
Johnno said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:03am | Report comment
Steve I agree . Good points you make. Time will tell but. But when the tv deal ends in 2015 , and the RWC is that year to.
-Rugby in the next 4 year cycle after that i think for what it is worth will get a huge re-modelled tv deal in 2016 steve.
-Reasons
-Argentina, and the olympics with 7evens. New tv markets for rugby to expand, i don’t think SANZAR will put argentina teams into super rugby at the end of the day but there will be natural interest a sim sure argentina players will start playing in super rugby , as i think SAZNAR will get flexible on imports and will encourage clubs to recruit argentina improts as they will be ins season with the other SH nations, and that will attract Argie fans plus the RC which will open up new money markets.
-USA rugby and canada rugby getting popular as it is in asia so super rugby can sell tv rights there.
-Olympics too will generate interest in rugby,
-What SAZNAR are already doing now is online streaming i think it is making good money they have unveiled this year to new markets that don’t have a direct tv deal but in coutnries that have some interest in rugby.
http://www.sanzarrugby.com/therugbychampionship/news/details-for-the-rugby-championship-live-sport-online-viewing-service/
-So there is hope for rugby, but for too long it is has been undervalued in OZ and i think that is why half the reason aussy rugby is where it is now steve and all this big chat about reviews of rugby in OZ and re-modelling steve.
August 22nd 2012 @ 11:27am
Ralph said | August 22nd 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
The calendar is different for rugby simply because rugby is an international game and league is an over grown club competition.
August 22nd 2012 @ 3:24am
NF said | August 22nd 2012 @ 3:24am | Report comment
I’m enjoying your reaction to the billion dollar deal KPM it’s priceless but don’t fear rugby will be fine in Australia us leaguies ain’t as vindictive as you lot we just focus on doing our own thing now. Unionists should focus on there own issues stop worrying about RL it’s not the root of all evil so chill everything will be fine KPM. League’s uprising in Australia should benefit RU actually it will kick them into gear the same way AFL make NRL to step up from there lazy approach to actively doing things to better the game. Overall, it’s a win-win for every code as having a highly competitive sporting market forces every code to bring the best out of them and soon ARU will take the next step up the question is when KPM?.
So all is not lost KPM consider the billion dollar deal a wake up call for underestimating RL in Australia for so long considering the contempt and arrogance the supporters and media shown to it from John O Neil, Peter Fitzsimons & to the supporters themselves who love to kick RL every time they have the chance.
August 22nd 2012 @ 5:20am
mania said | August 22nd 2012 @ 5:20am | Report comment
NF – agree fully. also league shouldnt be seen as the enemy but embraced for what it is. an alternate fast paced hard hitting sport.
KPM – as nf pointed out maybe this will finally spur the ARU to actually get off their colective azz’s and do something about developing rugby in aus instead of skimming profits off the top so all the execs can be highly over paid. league will only dominate if the aru just lie there and do nothing
also just because theres extra money doesnt guarantee success, if anything too much moeny guarantees failure because with a sudden windfall management become like children in a candy store and just throw it away because it seems to be bottonless. if NRL are smart then they’ll make good use of the money. this is a direct fight between ARU and NRL….i hope the ARU have better tactics than the wallabies.
i’d welcome league money into the NZ landscape. league is majorly under developed in NZ and could use an injection.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:17am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:17am | Report comment
NF and mania the NRL and AFL don’t need to do anything to take over the sporting landscape. They are now so massive that they simply attract all players and all fans.
When codes become dominant they can expand by doing almost nothing and are simply giant magnets pulling everything in.
I wouldn’t expect too much reaction from the ARU. This is the body that created the disaster in the first place with its idea of having almost no professional teams in a competitive marketplace.
Rugby is finished, it’s just when it collapses.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:27am
mania said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:27am | Report comment
d4m KPM – such doom and gloom? rugby’s been in australia for over a century. its probably a good thing to let it collaspe. then it can be rebuilt and run properly.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:30am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:30am | Report comment
mania look at cricket: the Australia seconds would have hammered most teams for much of the past 100 years but such is the pulling in of talent of the AFL and NRL they are now in the same situation as the rugby team and for the same reason, the Olympic teams.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:34am
mania said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
kpm – rise and fall of empires. its natural. this is a lull and needed in order for aus sports to peak. not as bad as you make out KPM
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:45am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:45am | Report comment
mania it’s a pretty big lull, and extends across several sports: look at the Olympics!
In place of good rugby players or cricketers or swimmers you’ll have great NRL and AFL players and if there were more teams in other countries for them to play, they would rule the roost!
August 22nd 2012 @ 7:10am
mania said | August 22nd 2012 @ 7:10am | Report comment
thats OK KPM, in 10 years time rugby can start poaching from AFL and NRL. sometimes you have to make a mess in order to tidy
August 22nd 2012 @ 8:32am
kingplaymaker said | August 22nd 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
mania maybe in a parallel universe rugby can plunder league’s ranks
August 22nd 2012 @ 1:54pm
stillmatic1 said | August 22nd 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
arent you a league fan anyway, KPM? so what would you know of rugby’s problems? to think that AFL/NRL are all dominant national comps is just not right at all. and hence the argument that they are stealing all the talent is also unfounded. i wouldnt say either league is overflowing with talent at all. more like filled with a lot of honest toilers who can prop up a roster but not much class. they have better pathways in oz, sure, and this is the issue for rugby in oz. but this does not mean that the AFL/NRL are awash with talent, simply means a lot more average players get to run around more often. hardly makes either code structurally sound at a pro level. its not cheap to run a sporting club and tv money essentially funds their existence.
the fact is australia is reaching a saturation point and is developing into too much of a mature market, where a slowing down of growth is inevitable across all sports. with a massive ongoing increase of population growth, then maybe there will be room for ALL sports (rugby, cricket etc etc) to grow. until then, there will be an ebb and flow amongst the lesser sports, and rugby in oz could be considered amongst them. NRL/AFL are the coles and woolies of sport in oz, but people also like to shop at aldi, iga etc. just the natural pecking order and hardly the doom and gloom you espouse KPM.
August 22nd 2012 @ 4:44am
Killerwhale said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:44am | Report comment
The only thing that worries me is that all the odds are “actually” stacked against Australia. It’s not perceived this time, it’s for real.
They might even play well because of it.
August 22nd 2012 @ 5:06am
matthew said | August 22nd 2012 @ 5:06am | Report comment
Great article as usual from you, Paul.
August 22nd 2012 @ 5:13am
mania said | August 22nd 2012 @ 5:13am | Report comment
“New Zealand coaches hold every major piece of silverware, from the Heineken Cup to the World Cup.” wow impressive
“As for the Wallabies’ prospects, realism demands that the immediate targets are sadly downgraded from silverware to respectability. There are too many holes to plug and too much splintered confidence to reason otherwise. ” wow pretty sad
August 22nd 2012 @ 8:05am
Jono said | August 22nd 2012 @ 8:05am | Report comment
“New Zealand coaches hold every major piece of silverware, from the Heineken Cup to the World Cup.”
Ironic that even Australia as holders of the Tri Nations, this statement still rings true.
August 22nd 2012 @ 11:16am
Sam Taulelei said | August 22nd 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
As well as the very real prospect that NZ could finish the year as holders of the:
Rugby World Cup
Bledisloe Cup
World Sevens champions
Rugby Championship
Women’s Rugby World Cup
Super 15 champions
and maybe a new world record for most consecutive test wins.
The only one we’ve definitely missed out on is the U20 World Cup but all in all that wouldn’t be a bad effort.
August 22nd 2012 @ 2:19pm
Sprigs said | August 22nd 2012 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
But they will never win the Tri-Nations cup again! We’ve got that one forever, having won the grand final.
August 22nd 2012 @ 2:35pm
Jerry said | August 22nd 2012 @ 2:35pm | Report comment
“having won the grand final”
Is that right?
August 22nd 2012 @ 3:51pm
garth said | August 22nd 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
what grand final? There are 2 semi-finals and one final.
August 22nd 2012 @ 4:21pm
Jerry said | August 22nd 2012 @ 4:21pm | Report comment
He’s talking about the TN – there’s no playoff system at all.
On the subject of the Aussies holding the TN Cup in perpetuity – fair enough, when you win something that infrequently, you may as well hang on to it as long as you can. At least that way there’ll always be some silverware in the ARU HQ.
August 22nd 2012 @ 7:19pm
Nick Cross said | August 22nd 2012 @ 7:19pm | Report comment
Yeah well the USA are still Olympic Rugby 15s Champions and they weren’t coached by a kiwi, but like 3N old defunct museum piece trophies are not really the point.
August 22nd 2012 @ 5:32am
ANON69 said | August 22nd 2012 @ 5:32am | Report comment
Simply put Australia is not good enough to beat AB OR SA, they might beat Argentina. The Aussie press make us believe that Australian are good. Just properganda. They are not good
August 22nd 2012 @ 3:03pm
Dan said | August 22nd 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Well maybe not the All Blacks, but Australia haven’t lost to SA in their last 4 matches and have won 8 of their last 12 overall. Not bad really considering how much bigger Rugby is in SA.
August 22nd 2012 @ 6:41am
biltongbek said | August 22nd 2012 @ 6:41am | Report comment
I do find the crticism about SA’s inability to score tries quite funny, we have scored 10 tries in our 4 test matches this year, whilst Australia have scored significantly less.
Our plan may be limited, but we are still scoring.
August 22nd 2012 @ 7:03am
mania said | August 22nd 2012 @ 7:03am | Report comment
agree biltongbek – whats funny is aus talking up how they do well vs boks considering the state of aus rugby at the mo.
dont wanna use the term “ambush” but thats what i see the boks doing to aus. aus fans have no idea what boks are gonna do to the wb’s
August 22nd 2012 @ 7:47am
Ben S said | August 22nd 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Old cliches die hard…
August 22nd 2012 @ 8:21am
Red Kev said | August 22nd 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
That is an awesome point biltongbek – Robbie Deans, such an inept attack coach that he makes the South Africans look dynamic.
August 22nd 2012 @ 8:21am
Justin2 said | August 22nd 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
And you are 50-50 since 2009 with the abs also. Apparently the abs have had the best coach of all time and the boksnthe worst in that period too.
More than one way to skin a cat…
August 22nd 2012 @ 10:31am
Handles said | August 22nd 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
6 from the last 7 boys. And the only record approaching our terrible form in Auckland, is the fact that the Springboks have not won in Brisbane or Sydney since 1993. In fact they haven’t won in Brisbane since 1971, which is longer between drinks than Australia in Auckland.
We played like crap on the weekend, and we have huge problems at the moment. But I would keep it low key here, if I was you.
August 22nd 2012 @ 12:13pm
moaman said | August 22nd 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Aus enjoys a 58% success rate over RSA at home with 20 wins and a draw from 35 encounters.
As Handles points out…RSA haven’t won at Brisbane since 1971 and that run spans 8 matches.
For the record….at Eden Park v Australia— NZ has won the last 13 games…..
August 22nd 2012 @ 9:00pm
Justin2 said | August 22nd 2012 @ 9:00pm | Report comment
Don’t understand your post…
August 22nd 2012 @ 7:53am
chuck said | August 22nd 2012 @ 7:53am | Report comment
If you not born in New Zealand you would not have a clue how much ora the all black has to the nation how much young players get inspired them to play for WE WORK ,SLEEP,EAT & DRINK IT 6 days a week say the stocks could dwindle because the NRL had billion dollar win they been down that road before and after the world cup player growth has grown with in every little town and good luck too the NRL on their win. Rugby is Global the NRL offers what other then the STATE OF ORGIN the international policy
on selection is a joke.
With past all blacks who have gone too chase the dollar oversea have too thank the all black jersey for the exposure to get where they are and not forgetting their own families for support.
SBW the ALLBLACKS are the Biggest International marketing rugby team in both codes well it worked for him .
South Auckland what are you insinuated its a huge area which has influencel people living plus all blacks.
RUGBY IN NEW ZEALAND will always overcome obstacle that in front of them the rugby padocks will always full with locals on saturday morning through to their main game.