Karmichael Hunt’s AFL season over
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As debate raged over the merits of Israel Folau’s AFL switch, the Gold Coast Suns toasted the success of Karmichael Hunt after confirming the code hopper had played his last game for 2012.
Suns football manager Marcus Ashcroft said Hunt would not be risked for their final two games after succumbing to an upper chest injury suffered almost three weeks ago against Melbourne.
A war of words has erupted over Folau after his Greater Western Sydney coach Kevin Sheedy took to Twitter on Wednesday to defend the multi-million dollar convert.
Sharing stats “a little seagull” provided him, Sheedy cheekily pointed out that one of Folau’s most vocal critics – ex-Geelong enforcer Cameron Mooney – statistically had a worse debut year than the much maligned code hopper.
“Mooney’s average disposals in first year for NM (North Melbourne) in 1999 were 3.3 compared to Izzy 5.9 in his first year,” he tweeted.
“Mooney had 29 hitouts and took 14 marks in 1999. Izzy has had 61 hitouts and taken 20 marks so far this year.
“All this in a side that has won two games as opposed to a premiership. By my calculations Izzy has had a better debut year than Mooney.”
Critics have been sharpening their knives after Folau collected just four touches in his last two games for GWS.
But Ashcroft said there should be no argument that Hunt had impressed this year.
“Of course there is more scrutiny because the spotlight is on him,” he told AAP.
“But I think everyone including people outside the media would say that he has been a success this year.
“He has definitely improved on last year and after a switch (from defence) to the midfield.
“We were always confident about him but I would say he has even pleasantly surprised us.
“He made a big impact on games, not on sheer weight of possessions but with his physical impact on contests.
“He was a tower of strength for us. There is a good reason he is in our leadership group.”
Hunt played 18 games this year – two more than his debut season – but the Suns did not add to that tally to ensure he was in full fitness for 2013.
“If he copped another big hit to that area it would be pretty serious. We were told that it might block his airway,” said Ashcroft, who ruled out surgery.
It draws the curtain on a season in which Hunt emerged as a bona fide AFL player.
His highlights reel included bullying what was then a high flying Essendon in round three and kicking a post-siren goal against Richmond in round 16 to seal their season-opening win.
In contrast, Folau was ranked 415th out of 416 players to have notched 10 games or more in 2012 based on stats.
“He doesn’t know where to run and he doesn’t know what to do out there. The more and more I watch I think you’re not for our game,” Mooney said this week before Sheedy returned fire.
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August 23rd 2012 @ 8:13am
Brewski said | August 23rd 2012 @ 8:13am | Report comment
Stas stats and more stats.
Someone told me that 73% of all stats are wrong.
August 23rd 2012 @ 9:38am
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Karmichael’s season has been a big success? He averages less than 15 possessions and 3.5 tackles a game and has had 15 possessions in a game since round 12 despite playing as a midfielder.
He might be better than last year but he will want to improve a lot more next year to hold his spot as the high draft picks mature.
August 23rd 2012 @ 9:49am
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
That should be hasn’t had 15 possessions since round 12.
August 23rd 2012 @ 10:05am
josh said | August 23rd 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Here’s some stats: Hunt is second in the Suns list for free kicks for, Second in tackles, 5th in contested possessions, 5th inside 50′s.
AFL level footy isn’t all about handballs and kicking.
August 23rd 2012 @ 10:14am
Brewski said | August 23rd 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Actually those are quite good stats …….. over to you macca. …..!!
And after all these stats, good and bad it appears that KH has had a decent year.
August 23rd 2012 @ 10:42am
josh said | August 23rd 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
I will also add 3rd in center clearances. Top 10 for disposal efficiency.
So i don’t think his spot will be under review at all. Macca needs to get the anti-Hunt bandwagon.
August 23rd 2012 @ 10:47am
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Josh – There are only about 6 blokes who could get a centre clearance in a game. And again let’s talk averages per game rather than totals so we don’t allow the fact he played more often to cloud the debate.
And in a competitive side 15 possessions a game doesn’t get you a spot in the midifeld. Look at Carlton, pushing for 8th and blokes like Ellard who is beating Hunt in almost every stat in the game can’t get a game.
August 23rd 2012 @ 10:56am
josh said | August 23rd 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
But now you’re comparing teams. If I can’t use totals, you can’t use players from ANOTHER team to say Hunt is rubbish. He doesn’t play for Carlton. He plays for the Suns. He fills a role for HIS club, his coaches of the team he plays for are happy with his efforts. What’s the problem?
There is wider problem with the Suns and it isn’t Karmichael. I’d suggest you look at the efforts of messers Brown and Brennan.
August 23rd 2012 @ 11:06am
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Josh – I am just saying that as the Suns improve, with all those high draft picks, 15 possessions a game won’t cut it.
And on stats I see Hunt ranks 6th for clangers and 19th for disposal efficiency at the Suns and 14th for 1 percenters?
And David Swallow has played just 12 games, Rischitelli 14, Prestia 14 and Brandon Matera 15, Hunt has played 18, of course he is going to be above those players in “totals”
August 23rd 2012 @ 5:38pm
Brewski said | August 23rd 2012 @ 5:38pm | Report comment
Macca, in a good team, there are plenty of options in the middle, and possesions are easier to come by, so therefore everyone ends up with more of the ball, once you get it you keep it and share it.
In a good team Hunt would probably have a higher clearance rate, and a higher posession tally.
Josh got you good …… LOL
August 24th 2012 @ 8:52am
Macca said | August 24th 2012 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Brewski – Look at the list of midfielders the Suns have below, while it is true that in a better team some players find it easier to get possessions, Hunt will find it hard to get into the midfield as those players mature.
August 23rd 2012 @ 11:43am
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Josh – Lets look at Averages
On Centre clarances Hunt Averages 2.66 a game, some players below Hunt in totals are Prestias (Ave 3.2) Smith (Ave 2.56 and a ruckman) and Swallow (Ave 3.08).
On Contested Possesion – Hunt Averages 6.3, Prestia 8.14, Swallow 9.41.Smith 6.62, Rischitelli 6.64.
On tackles – Hunt Averages 3.5, Presita 4.21, Swallow 3.58, Rischitelli 4.21
On inside 50′s Hunt ave is 2.27, Prestia 2.14, Swallow 3.16 Campbell Brown 2.29,
So as you can see he drops pretty quick when his advantage of playing more games is removed.
August 23rd 2012 @ 11:33am
Ian Whitchurch said | August 23rd 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
It is if, like Macca, you support bruise-free football.
August 23rd 2012 @ 11:46am
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Ian – If you are referring to there be more than just kicks and handballs, have a look at the stats, when you work on averages he slips down the list very quick and he is 19th for disposal efficiency, so even when you look deeper he struggles.
And when have I supported bruise free football, just because I don’t think Hunt can revolutionsie the game through bumping doens’t mean I support bruise free football.
How are those blues going by the way? And Carrazzo seems to be going alright as well, bit better than old karmichael, stopping a player and gettnig 25 plus.
August 24th 2012 @ 9:07pm
Harry said | August 24th 2012 @ 9:07pm | Report comment
I thought ‘bruise free football’ was what AFL is all about.
August 23rd 2012 @ 12:26pm
josh said | August 23rd 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
Macca, you are assuming that the current coach will be able to make his squad get more than 15 disposals per game.
If we only look at your favorite stats of disposals. Hunt is beating out a few seasoned pros this season Like Mitch Robinson, Matt Kreuzer.
This could go on forever and all we have proved you can stats to prove any point you want. Its clear you don’t rate Karmichael Hunt and no argument is going to sway that. But then i wouldn’t expect much more from a Carlton fan.
August 23rd 2012 @ 1:08pm
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Josh – You can use stats to prove whatever you want, when you make them up like you have with Robinson (ave 21.2 disposals and 5.2 tackles compared to Hunt at 14.7 and 3.5) or compare apples with oranges as you have with Kreuzer ( who is only averaging 2.6 possessions and 0.2 tackles less despite being a ruckman and almost 6 inches taller than Hunt).
And as for getting the squad get more than 15 disposals a game yes I am assuming that but it is a very safe assumption considering the amount of midfielders in their current squad who are averaging more than 15 possessions a game and who also beat Hunt on tackles, contested ball, inside 50′s centre clearances or whatever other Stat you want to pick.
If Hunt wants to be an AFL midifelder he has to get closer to 25 touches a game and around 5 tackles.
August 23rd 2012 @ 1:20pm
josh said | August 23rd 2012 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
I’ll cop the stats inaccuracy.
“If Hunt wants to be an AFL midifelder he has to get closer to 25 touches a game and around 5 tackles”. Says you. Unless you are on the Suns coaching panel. Our opinion doesn’t count for much. I maintain as long as the Suns coaching panel belies he has a defined role and fulfills that role. Then his averages don’t count. He might be the Shane Battier of the AFL.
August 23rd 2012 @ 1:33pm
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
Josh – Yes there are things that the stats don’t capture but how many AFL midfielders average less than 20 touches?
Look at Robinson he is averaging 21, 5 tackles and has 11 goals from 17 matches and he is behind Murphy, Judd, Simpson, McLean, & Carrazzo and fights with the likes of Bell, Curnow, Scotland & even Garlett for his time in the middle.
McLean is possibly the best example, he is expected to do a similar role to Hunt but when he was averaging less than 20 touches he couldn’t hold his spot, now he is averaging around 25 he is making an impact but fi he doesn’t keep getting 25 touches all the extra work can’t keep Ellard from taking his spot in the team.
And if Hunt’s “unseen” game is so good why is he so low in tackles and 1 percenters?
August 23rd 2012 @ 1:39pm
josh said | August 23rd 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
Macca, read about the Shane Battier effect. Sometimes players have rubbish stats but their impact on the game comes through the increased performance of the team, when they are on the field.
You could argue the effect is causal as in the others have to lift their performance to carry a perceived passenger. Anyway.
I think he’s ok. You don’t.
August 23rd 2012 @ 1:45pm
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
Josh – There is a limit to how low his stats can go before the effect is cancelled out, at 15 possessions a game when he is also below par on tackles, one percenters and goals scored whatever effect he may have is more than cancelled out.
If the Suns want to play finals they can’t carry a bloke whose figures are as low as his, especially if he isn’t able to stop an opponent and even this year if the Suns had their full list of midfielders to choose from I suggest he would of been dropped.
And he may be OK, but OK doesn’t get you to finals and it doesn’t win premierships.
August 23rd 2012 @ 1:52pm
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
Let me ask you Josh – name the best 7 midfielders on the Suns list, and don’t forget Jaeger O’meara, and then allow for maybe 1 more from this years draft and let me know where you see Hunt fit in.
August 23rd 2012 @ 2:04pm
josh said | August 23rd 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
The Suns don’t need more midfielders.
P.S shoot an email the Suns board. You seem to know how what they should do, better than they do at the moment.
August 23rd 2012 @ 2:12pm
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Out of 5 or 6 picks in the draft they are bound to take at least 1 midfielder but you point is an interesting one, they don’t need any more midfielders, is that with Hunt or without Hunt in the Midfield?
For the record, as you are unwilling to show just where hunt would fit in, let’s look at the Suns Midfield
1) Ablett
2) Richsitelli
3) Bennell
4) Caddy
5) O’meara
6) Presita
7)Swallow
8) Stanley
9) Shaw
So Hunt would come in as the 10th best midfielder being extremely generous. So while you maybe right they don’t need another midfielder that is bad news for Hunt.
August 23rd 2012 @ 2:17pm
josh said | August 23rd 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
That’s settled then.
August 23rd 2012 @ 2:29pm
Macca said | August 23rd 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
Don’t be sulky, if you don’t agree that those midfielders are better footballers than Hunt tell me which ones he would replace?
August 23rd 2012 @ 11:39pm
Alan H said | August 23rd 2012 @ 11:39pm | Report comment
I think it’s clear now the article should be amended to say “Hunt has been a success in the minds of the majority of people.” To a narrow minded few he has been a failure.
August 24th 2012 @ 8:53am
Macca said | August 24th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Alan H – Which one of the above players will Hunt keep out of the midfield if he keeps getting 15 possessions a game?
August 23rd 2012 @ 5:45pm
Toa said | August 23rd 2012 @ 5:45pm | Report comment
Josh, don’t argue with fools they’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
August 23rd 2012 @ 9:55pm
Milz said | August 23rd 2012 @ 9:55pm | Report comment
On another note, what ever happened to the Cattery?
August 24th 2012 @ 8:54am
Macca said | August 24th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
And Redb has disappeared too, but the bombers form night explain that one.
August 24th 2012 @ 9:10pm
Harry said | August 24th 2012 @ 9:10pm | Report comment
Someone took him away in a big yellow taxi, which is a pity because every town needs a……….well……..you know what I mean.
August 23rd 2012 @ 10:23pm
yewonk said | August 23rd 2012 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
i dont know but he is gonna get it when he gets back on from the leaguies on account of his tv rights predictions
August 24th 2012 @ 6:20am
Milz said | August 24th 2012 @ 6:20am | Report comment
Lol