All Blacks defend the Bledisloe, ARU defends Deans
By Uncle Argyle, 27 Aug 2012 Uncle Argyle is a Roar Guru
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Robbie Deans showed he can win with the Wallabies win over Wales, but the Australian team has capitulated against the All Blacks (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)
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In the wake of yet another depressing Bledisloe Cup campaign, the cheers from across the Tasman are heard and well deserved.
New Zealand was the better side over the two matches played thus far.
For Robbie Deans’ Wallabies, the New Zealand question remains answered in the negative, however the question of ARU support for Deans appears to remain in the positive.
This is the status quo and a recipe for ongoing Bledisloe defeat and disillusionment of the Australian rugby public. It is well documented that New Zealand has retained the Bledisloe Cup for a period of ten years.
In that time the All Blacks have seen three coaches: John Mitchell, Sir Graham Henry and incumbent Steve Hansen.
They have won Tri-Nations tournaments and the 2011 Rugby World Cup during that period, and the quality of their rugby has been a benchmark for those who play the game. If you track it from 2003 to 2012 it would hard to argue that the value in the All Black share has tracked north in that time. It is indeed blue chip.
The Wallabies too have had three coaches in the past decade: Eddie Jones, John Connolly and Robbie Deans. In that time Australia has had some success, with a famous 2011 Tri-Nations victory; sustained success over South Africa in the past 18 months; and recently a solid home series defeat of European champions Wales. However, they simply can’t compete against New Zealand for sustained periods.
This has been the hallmark of the Robbie Deans era. If you track Australian rugby from 2003 to 2012 I would argue we have not really gone anywhere.
While I acknowledge Deans’ one-off victories against New Zealand, and his Tri-Nations victory, the simple fact remains he was brought in by the ARU to win us a Rugby World Cup and the Bledisloe Cup. Two distinct failures which Australia looks further away from after the performance of the Wallabies in the past several weeks.
Unlike his predecessors Jones and Connolly, who collectively had five years at the helm, Deans has had five years alone, yet his support from the ARU remains staunch. I am unsure as to why as Deans himself does not appear have improved along the way.
A key weakness is in selections. In 2003 Robbie Deans was the backs coach of the All Blacks. In the 2003 Rugby World Cup Deans selected Carlos Spencer, moved Mils Muliana to outside centre and allowed Leon McDonald to full back. Deans failed to select Andrew Merhtens, Tana Umunga and Christian Cullen. The rest is history – ask any New Zealander.
In 2011 Deans failed to select a genuine backup for David Pocock at openside flanker. Foolishly Deans trusted some schoolboy experience Ben McCalman had in the 7 jumper as adequate for a Rugby World Cup campaign. Logic I can’t get my head around considering both Matt Hodgson and Beau Robinson has very good seasons for their respective provinces.
Deans has long espoused a ‘reward for effort’ selection policy. I find it awfully hard to justify the continued selections of players who fail to perform at state and Test level. Benn Robinson, Rob Horne, Drew Mitchell and Kurtley Beale were four names in last night’s Eden Park disaster whose domestic form was not in the same class as Greg Holmes, Nick Cummins, Dom Shipperley and Bernard Foley’s. What message must this send to those outside? Where is the reward for effort and why is poor effort rewarded?
Robbie Deans also stated that Quade Cooper had not played enough rugby one week, yet Drew Mitchell who had actually played less was ready for rugby? Contradiction equals confusion. Both Mitchell and Beale were unfit for Test rugby and their subsequent performances and match results are no great shock.
Then there’s Deans’ game plan. I am sure there has to be one. But there is an inconsistency in executing it; inability to sustain pressure on the All Blacks and convert that pressure into points. Under Deans, Australia has had a love affair with the width game, much to the detriment of the direct game.
Too often have we seen Australian backs plucked off behind the advantage line, adding pressure onto the Wallabies. Too often do we see the Australian fly half under enormous pressure from very good and very legal All Black line speed. Yet as predictable as the next sunrise the 10 is spoon-fed the ball.
Where is the variation, like a blindside move or a back row move that can turn line speed for an open side defensive line into a negative by getting in behind it? Australia in attack continually plays into the All Blacks defensive pattern and we never adapt. Why?
What about tactics? Last night Berrick Barnes has well positioned for a drop goal when the game was still in the balance yet he chose to hook-kick to a blind winger who was not there. Why? In general play our backs are gun shy and will not take on the line, instead opting to chip kick, why?
Our forwards, especially Higginbotham, Moore and Alexander run too high with the ball, allowing themselves to be held up or for a slow recycle of possession. Our mauling was poor and the only time it was used it broke up and Keiran Read stole possession. We do not hit the collision line in force, nor drive past the ball or counter-ruck with any real vigour. Our missed tackle rate is too high. We lack the ball-carrying, passing and tackling skills to ever truly threaten the All Blacks.
Our attitude is all too inconsistent. It was a given that Australia would turn up. We might not win but we would never give in. To see Richie McCaw mouth the words about 10 minutes before half time “We are this close to snapping them” clearly indicates the mental fragility of the team. After 30 minutes of Test rugby we’re done.
These are not just examples from last night, but problems that have continued to haunt the Wallabies under the Deans tenure. I am unsure how after five years of Bledisloe failure the ARU can continue to support Robbie Deans as coach of the Wallabies.
What is even more evident is that our competitors for Rugby World Cup 2015 have all renewed their head coaching stocks to allow them time to develop their style when their respective squads. New Zealand have ushered in the Hansen era, South Africa have brought in Meyer, and both England and France are under new management.
Yet we are evidently stuck in the mud with a team that finds it hard to score tries, lacks some basic skill and creativity, is mentally fragile, contradictory in its selections and unable to execute a game plan.
I don’t know Robbie Deans and I am sure he is a good rugby man, however for the betterment for Australian rugby the Australian Rugby Union should stop rewarding failure by its blanket protection of Deans. Start rebuilding the Wallabies and reconnecting with the Australian rugby public. We simply can’t afford to slip into another ‘Woeful Wallbies’ era.
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August 27th 2012 @ 7:26am
Johnno said | August 27th 2012 @ 7:26am | Report comment
-Deans is a kiwi a former AB, yes form the amateur era his bother was an Ab too. You’d think he could understand the hunger to win a bledisloe, heck he was an assistant coach of the Ab’s too. He was a crusaders coach, too. Wayne smith created the Sader dynasty not Deans but he has been a proven winner yes only in Canterbury but still. But to be fair to deans he did help in some of those ab coaching wins, brought some new talent in, the cullen/umaga fiasco will haunt deans till his grave though.
-Deans is motivated no question, he loves rugby, but his execution is bad of his tactics. Still he does have a good record vs the books it can’t be ignored, even if some of his wins are dodgy.
The win in durban last year the boks had been on stenrgth and contdioining break before the world cup, and with some match fitness beat a disjointed NZ. And beating books in australia last year was a books B/C team.
-And the world cup, maybe Deans is Bryce Lawrence god father to Bryce’s kids. Imagine that in Bryce House 3 or 4 little Brycey’s blowing that whistle with Paddy Obrien’s and criag jouberts kids, at a family barberque .
-Look at all teams but the Ab’s in that backyard kids games lol.
-And get rid of Nucifora 2 he is just as guilty as Deans as is JON.
August 27th 2012 @ 8:36am
Grimmace said | August 27th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Another one who seems to have been picked without due process is Nucifora- he seems to be tefflon coated
August 27th 2012 @ 7:54am
Pogo said | August 27th 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
“In the 2003 Rugby World Cup Deans selected Carlos Spencer, moved Mils Muliana to outside centre and allowed Leon McDonald to full back. Deans failed to select Andrew Merhtens, Tana Umunga and Christian Cullen. The rest is history – ask any New Zealander.”
Umaga went down with a knee injury in the opening game of the WC. Actually Deans moved MacDonald to centre and Muliaina to fullback, which in my opinion made even less sense, as MacDonald has hardly played centre.
Has non-selection of Mehrtens was largely due to a personal antipathy between the two.
August 27th 2012 @ 8:00am
Uncle Argyle said | August 27th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Thanks for clearing that up for Pogo I think that is the 2nd time I have got the Muliana/McDonald thing wrong however essentially my point was it was a poor selection evidently proved by the result in that test.
August 27th 2012 @ 8:20am
Jeff said | August 27th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Dean was the assistant coach for the ABs and the real power was Mitchell.He had the final say on all selections.{there were two other selectors.Mark Shaw was one and he said it was a waste of time.What Mitchell said went.]
And Mitchell wanted Spencer !! They were close buddies and have remained so.[How do you think Spencer got his job as assistant coach at the Lions]
And is has been well documented that the last thing Deans said to Spencer before he went out on the field for the semi against us was “no cut ouit passes”
Spencer threw a cut out pass Mortlock snaffled it.
Game set and match.
As fot Tanaq Umanga he was selected but got injured.
And if you want the low down on Cullen and Mitchell read Cullen’s book.No invovement of Deans there.Mitchell made it quite clear to Cullen that he would not be playing in any team he coached as he was unfit.
So Uncle if you write an article like this your facts have to support your theorise.Not made up rumours.No way should you be labelled a guru !!!!
August 27th 2012 @ 9:24am
Uncle Argyle said | August 27th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
Hi Jeff,
“Well, the reason (apparently) that we didn’t play that way last week was because there was a huge bust up in the AB camp just before the quarter-final. Doc Mayhew passed Tana as fit to play and Robbie Deans wouldn’t even put him on the bench. The whole back squad got upset apparently and there were huge arguments. Then when the semi rolled round and they still wouldn’t name Tana in the team, things got heated again and we lost our focus. ”
This sourced from a source close to that 2003 All Black team, It says “Doc Mayhew passed Tana as fit to play and Robbie Deans wouldn’t even put him on the bench.” It does not say John Mitchell. Is says Robbie Deans.
August 28th 2012 @ 6:26am
Jeff said | August 28th 2012 @ 6:26am | Report comment
Well I have never heard that before.That of course is the problem with unamed sources.They can’t be verified.There was certainly no mention of this in John Mayhew’s book in which he was very critical of other aspects of John Mitchell’s period as All Black Coach.
But I have gone back to my files on the 2003 RWC.The All Black selectors were John Mitchell,Kieran Cowley and Mark Shaw.Robbie Deans was not a selector because it would have conflicted with his position as Crusaders coach.But it appears there was really only one selector.As Mark Shaw said when he resigned after the RWC “I don’t know what we were there for.John made all the decisions” And Dean’s made the comment after he had resigned that he would never again coach a team that he hadn’t selected.
So it seems a bit unfair to label him as responsible for any seletorial blunders in the All Black team of 2003.
But my real point is that all this discussion about Deans by you Uncle and meny many Roarers is symptomatic of the problems facing Australian rugby.No matter who our coach has been we haven’t competed with the ABs since 2003.And the main problem has been our tight forwards.Look at the tight 5 on Saturday night.Not one of them would stand a chance of being selected for the ABs.They probably wouldn’t even be selected for a NZ Super 15 side.And this has gone on for 10 years.Is it the Wallaby coaches fault.No way.But it means we start every test on the back foot being beaten at the break down and set pieces by teams with strong packs.
And the problem hasn’t be cured by throwing money at a few NRL stars.What is needed is a comprehensive review by the ARU of why we are not producing quality tight forwards and a programme put in place to rectify this.
While they are at it they could also look at why we can’t produce good coaches any more and also referees. Only one quality Australian coach in Super Rugby this year and our only ranked international referee is an ex Kiwi.
And lets stop concentrating on the Wallabies coach no matter who he is.That is not the long term solution.
August 28th 2012 @ 8:15am
Uncle Argyle said | August 28th 2012 @ 8:15am | Report comment
So Brisbane 2011 did not happen? We all saw the Wallaby forwards bash the All Blacks in the first half and secure a 25-20 victory so to say we have not competed since 2003 is simply false.
I too agree with Deans being a symptom of the problem. I stated quite clearly Deans appears to be a good rugby man, however his tenure as Wallaby coach is hallmarked by a consistent failure to answer the All Black question. If you look at the Deans selection as coach by ARU supremo O’Neill I think that is a very good indicator of the problem.
I have argued, and argued endlessly for a full review of ARU operations on this blog.
Mate, pick up any newspaper weather it be rugby, politics, business, cricket there are always ‘sources’ who wish to remain nameless. I am have no doubt John Mitchell did have the final say over Crowley and Shaw. However what of his dealings with Deans? It is unfathomable that a backs coach would have no say in backs selections.
The long term solution is a route and branch clean out of the ARU including the current coaching structure.
August 27th 2012 @ 8:30am
ohtani's jacket said | August 27th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Umaga was fit for the semi but they decided not to play him. There was a great deal of controversy about it at the time as Deans hadn’t wanted Umaga in the All Blacks to begin with and there was another occasion where Tana wasn’t selected because of a phantom knee injury.
Deans’ World Cup midfield got torn to shreds by Hansen’s Wales side in the pool stages but played well against the Boks in the quarters much like the rest of the side. That performance against the Boks gave the All Blacks a false sense of security heading into the semi.
Carlos was the right choice at first five that year. Mehrtens was past it. He earned a recall the following year after a strong performance off the bench for the Crusaders and was ineffective at test level. It wasn’t until Carter was moved to first five on the end of year tour that the All Blacks as we know them today took shape. Cullen likewise was too old. It wasn’t the fact that Cullen got dropped that was headscratching, it was that they took Ben Atiga instead and barely played him.
In essense, Cullen and Umaga being dropped (and Mehrtens to a lesser extent) was the same as Deans’ attitude towards Giteau, Cooper, Beale and O’Connor except in NZ he rocked the boat with far less hesitation. You wouldn’t know it to look at him now, but he was hard nosed and stubborn when he coached in NZ.
August 27th 2012 @ 8:02am
mania said | August 27th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
agree pogo – i told uncle this last week, ie mils in FB and mcdonald moved to centre, where mortlock ran thru leon to score the winning try.
umaga went down to a knee injury…caused by carlos running sideways vs the puma’s and getting smashed and then subsequently fell into tana.
mcdonald was chosen for his goal kicking. no one thought of asking danCarter , playing 2nd5, whether he was a kicker.
the mehrtens deans antipathy hasnt been uncovered as neither will say what the real issue was. merhtens should’ve played and was still at the top of his game.
August 28th 2012 @ 7:58am
Jeff said | August 28th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Everyone knew Carter was a kicker but he was not really up to playing in the first team at that time.You are talking about the ABs here.They know everything about all their players.
This isn’t the Wallabies !!!
August 27th 2012 @ 7:55am
30 mm tags said | August 27th 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
Great submission. The only support coach we don’t have is one who can have a class room coach who cam teach the rules . Stephen Moore , will Genia and Nathan sharpe…
August 27th 2012 @ 7:56am
mania said | August 27th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
good luck deans. a good coach that shouldnt be coaching the wallabies
August 27th 2012 @ 8:06am
Halleys Comet said | August 27th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
UA, great analysis, it seems the ABs are growing and developing into yet again higher levels of playing smarts, yet the Wallabies are stagnating, for the multitudes of reasons you outlined. As a keen AB supporter I am worried the Wallabies are slipping (far) behind, I felt no emotional tension watching the recent Eden Park game, none, it was great to see the ABs strut their stuff, sad about their opposition. It seems SA rugby is also wallowing in outdated game plans. Where will this lead? How will it impact on the world game?
August 27th 2012 @ 8:12am
nickoldschool said | August 27th 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
IMO, the most valid point you made UA is that we should have started a new cycle after the 2011 RWC, especially as the brand of rugby played, players and tactical choices etc were poor to say the least. Instead we are in the same spin of mediocrity.
August 27th 2012 @ 8:21am
formeropenside said | August 27th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Selecting Cooper at 10, and having him largely at 12 in fact (at least in the game I was watching) seemed a complete waste.
On the upside, Slipper held the scrum up pretty well when he came on, Gill was excellent in his cameo, and AAC made a great cover tackle.
August 27th 2012 @ 9:42am
Justin2 said | August 27th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
FOS QC looked like he was on the win for the second half. It felt like this “QC you can play in the 10 jersey tonight but yo wont be running the show, Berrick and you will be sharing the ball”.
Ridiculous, you cant have two captains! And for all those sayiing these two should be paired together – wrong! We need running centres who can pass well when required. Barnes cant beat a man kicks and passes sub standard and his defence as a 12 lacks sting.
August 27th 2012 @ 9:16am
stillmissit said | August 27th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Where is the heart of this team? Who holds the power amongst the players? Don’t give me this BS of leadership groups and senior players having input. In all human endeavours there is a leader it may not be who holds the captaincy and I am wondering who it is?
Pocock seems too far removed in terms of his intellect and ability for the rest of them to accept him, Horwill was the right style of leader but is too often injured, Genia proved on Saturday that he is not a natural leader and he has been around the team long enough to have set himself for that role. Barnes gets too mad with the players around him and Stephen Moore has not put his hand up for the job. If he can hold a place Ben Mowen would do the job well as he is proving at the Brumbies.
The reason I ask is that this team is heartless and lacking glue that Robbie Deans seems incapable of instilling in them, it is part of the modern territory – ‘who the f@#% are you? you ain’t the boss of me’ it is what they learn from first year in school. Deans is way too old school for this lot who strangely accept the hard decisions as they are mostly lacking in real confidence as they have no group values to build a foundation on. This is basically Deans problem. If the Wallabies need to harden up against the AB’s and make them earn respect then Deans needs to be totally hard nosed with these guys whilst keeping his mind on winning, not easy but that is the problem as I see it.
August 27th 2012 @ 9:37am
Johnno said | August 27th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Well saidstillmissit. This tema have real problems. A victim of generation Y or X. No direction, from day 1 and showing there brittleness in the real world. Deans is like there dad they can’t relate to him. He is too old school. In hid day men like Deans were already married with kids unlike this wallaby outfit not many are married or with kids. Pocock is married, and that is why men as you said can’t relate to dave he is too grown up for them the likes of JOC, Beale, Quade, still give an attitude off as if they are in high school same with Giteau.
My pop had 5 kids by the time he was 25, working 2jobs hard physical work to put food on the table for our family the baby boomer generation. This team needs leadership but has no leaders with in except maybe Horwill or steve moore. steve moore is married too whichis another sign him and pocock are married.
-Digby Ioane grew up poor with alcove knit family , but JOC, Beale, quad cooper all went to private schools and fiddle around to much partying and being in the papers. They need to settle down.
-Ben Mowen is mature he just got married , and had his 1st daughter and bought a house all mature stuff. He should be looked at for captan he has done well at the brumes. Todd Blackadder when picked for ab’s went straight into captaincy. Mowen should do the same.
-For all of SBW antic’s he is not married or no kids yet, he attracts a lot of hype but he is a real worker and one of the most level headed people i have seen, yet how he tolerates the likes of Beale and quade cooper as mates i will never know.
August 27th 2012 @ 9:42am
Red Kev said | August 27th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
The problem is that you can bleat about ‘professionalism’ all you want but sport is emotive. Gun to his head Deans will tell you the All Blacks are, should be and always will be the best in the world. He’s proud in his heart of hearts when they win.
Deans doesn’t really believe the Wallabies can or should beat the All Blacks – subconsciously that has to come through in his conduct and every player in the Wallabies will know it. How can the team play with heart when the coach doesn’t genuinely believe in them?
By the way – there is a superb article by Wayne Smith in today’s Australia – sadly the online version requires the digital pass thing, but if you borrow someone’s hard copy it is well worth a read.
August 27th 2012 @ 10:34am
Justin2 said | August 27th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Re the digital pass just copy the headline, put it into google and then click on the first link that comes up. Hey presto, article for free!
August 27th 2012 @ 10:39am
Uncle Argyle said | August 27th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
In fairness to Deans I can’t speak with first hand knowledge of his cognitive functions. All I do know is that he can’t get the Wallabies to beat the All Blacks consistently after 5 years. I think that is long enough. I think we are doing whomever will coach at the 2015 RWC a disservice by not giving them at least 4 years prep like the others are.
August 27th 2012 @ 12:05pm
Red Kev said | August 27th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
While I agree with that I also think we’d be doing any coach as massive disservice to appoint them now.
Rugby Championship (4 more games) followed by October 20 dead-rubber Bledisloe in Brisbane followed by a 4(?) game northern hemisphere tour followed by a 3-match series against the British and Irish Lions. I doubt any coach would want to be handed the poisoned chalice of the Wallabies before the 2013 Rugby Championship.
August 27th 2012 @ 1:10pm
ohtani's jacket said | August 27th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
There is enough time for a new coach to make some sort of difference. The All Blacks finished last in the 2004 Tri-Nations, forcing Henry & Co. to take a new team on the 2004 end of year tour. It took most of that tour for Henry to settle on the right team, but absolutely destroyed the French in the final match on tour and from there went on to have a dominant series victory over the Lions.
The differences would be that Henry used the NPC to groom some of the replacements he ended to make on the end of year tour (for example, Jerry Collins as blindside), there was a tremendous unified effort in the 2005 Super Rugby tournament to prepare for the arrival of the Lions and there were quality replacements avaiilable after Henry had experimented quite a bit in the wake of Mitchell and Deans.
August 27th 2012 @ 1:52pm
sheek said | August 27th 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
Love that word ‘cognitive’.
August 27th 2012 @ 2:07pm
Uncle Argyle said | August 27th 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
Very cerebral Sheek,
August 27th 2012 @ 9:27am
mikeylives said | August 27th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Against the All Blacks, it is very difficult to get a fire-up speech at half time from a mild mannered Kiwi coach that has trouble communicating.
However, blaming the coach does cover up the grass-roots problems that are becoming obvious in the senior ranks.
The top-down mercenary model does not work, because injury necessitates a wider talent pool of international standard.
August 27th 2012 @ 9:50am
Jutsie said | August 27th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Jones had 5 years alone, 2001 to 2005. I still rate him as the key reason we are where we are at them moment as he took a team of champions and turned them into a rabble.
JC you cant blame as he had only 2 years to turn it around.
Deans had the right idea at the start of getting rid of the senior players with an entitlement mentality and bringing in a new generation but the problem was that he was too slow in implementing this plan. The other issue is now we have a new generation of wallabies with the exact same mentality as the previous.
I liked the direction deans was going with the team upto 2011 I could accept the losses because it was young team and at least they always had a tilt.
But now it seems he has lost confidence in his own ability and has done a complete 180 in his thinking/planning and for this reason he should fall on his sword, if he doesnt have 100% belief in his own ability then you cant expect the players too either.