But what do you reckon, Ratts?
The finger shouldn't be solely pointed at Ratten for Carlton's tough year (Slattery Images)
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Brett Ratten knew it was coming. It was the great big awkward elephant parked in the corner of the Metricon Stadium press conference room.
His future as Carlton coach has been a talking point all year, so it should have come as no surprise that it was about to heat up again after his side blew their finals chances in stunning fashion on Australia’s holiday strip.
Ratts, you assume, is smart enough a man to be aware of what questions are going to be thrown his way by reporters and at what times.
e’s been in the AFL game for a while. This was one that simply had to be put to him.
And yet he couldn’t have been less ready for it.
“What do you reckon? Come on, you answer the question. What do you reckon?” was Ratten’s now-infamous comeback when asked if he was concerned personally with the ramifications of the Blues’ 12-point loss to Gold Coast.
The reply came, “I’d imagine so.”
So what did Ratts have up his sleeve? “Good guess. Well done.”
When the presser was over, he told the reporter who asked that he’d heard that question a million times before. But never had it been more relevant.
For a guy whose performance has been under so much scrutiny, this was not the picture Ratten and his club wanted or needed to paint.
It is easier said than done to hold your nerve with all those cameras and microphones in your face – much less after a result so embarrassing and catastrophic.
But Ratten let his guard slip, and in the end his lack of temperament was the story.
He didn’t have a line like ‘No, I’m not done with this group’ or ‘I’m not worrying about that, all we can worry about is…’ in his back pocket for the reporters to chew on.
That’s probably because he never thought he’d have to.
This scribe has seen enough Gold Coast games to know when their opposition treats them with respect, and when their opposition expects them to roll over and cop it. The Blues were in the latter camp.
In fact, the Carlton team that became the first established side to lose at the refurbished Carrara ground was just as ill-prepared for the ferocious Suns as Ratten was for the inevitable question. Perhaps moreso.
And that responsibility lies on whose shoulders? The coach.
No, he wasn’t on the field and had nothing to do with the countless opportunities his men wasted in the second half. He didn’t physically do the choking.
But it’s his job to make sure his players fully understand the gravity of the situation before them.
“If we play well, we give ourselves an opportunity to kick a good score and if we don’t play so well, we take the foot off the accelerator, we’ll make hard work of it,” is what he said the day before the game.
Now a club that thought it was top four material in pre-season will be nursing a Mad Monday hangover in seven days’ time.
Take nothing away from the Suns – they showed a tantalizing glimpse of the future. But just how good they were is a yarn for another day.
Clearly, when a side is outclassed by a quasi-NEAFL team in a make-or-break match, either the coach’s message isn’t getting through, or the players don’t want to hear it from him.
Fortunately, Ratten has been spared the axe – for this week, at least. Carlton president Stephen Kernahan says the club will make no decision on his future until the end of the season. That’s only a week away.
And all the while, Mick Malthouse has shamelessly ummed and ahhed in the media over whether he wants to come back and coach again, knowing full well of Ratten’s predicament.
He’s even come out and said that if he doesn’t do it in 2012, he’ll never do it again – a clear ‘come and get me’ call to the Blues’ board.
People are lining up for his job. The supporters are baying for blood. The players, as they always do in these situations, have escaped largely scot-free.
This is Ratts’ bed and he has to lie in it. He didn’t quite make it, and it might not be lights out just yet, but he certainly tucked himself in.
Vince Rugari is an Adelaide-born journalist who cut his teeth on the sporting graveyard that is the Gold Coast. He fancies the round ball and the Sherrin, and used to be a handy leg-spin bowler before injury curtailed a baggy green push. He is a Port Adelaide fan by birth, as painful as that has been recently. He's now sports editor of The Area News in Griffith, NSW.
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August 28th 2012 @ 1:38am
Sam said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:38am | Report comment
I’m still surprised at how grossly overrated Carlton’s list is. Their top echelon of talent, so often purported to contain no less than Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Carazzo and Simpson – contains in reality only a (fading fast) Judd and Murphy. Simpson supports them ably, as does Carazzo but there are huge question marks lingering over Gibbs and Kreuzer. Below this top tier, their middle tier contains some players that are handy; obviously players like Betts, Waite and Jamison come to mind; perhaps even Armfield, who has improved. Everything drops off fairly dramatically after that. Yarran and Garlett come and go from games, Henderson never really showed up at all, Laidler remarkably became a better player whilst out injured, Waite is injury prone and Walker seemingly only delivers half of what he promises. Let’s face it, when Brock McLean is your best player, your club is in a fair bit of trouble.
Yes, they have had a horrible injury run this year. But their list management has also been poor. The drafting of Kane Lucas is the most memorable aberration – not Lucas’ fault obviously – but when Carlton had already identified a need for talls (a need that still exists) they still went small.
The messiah complex is huge at Carlton. Judd, now Malthouse. I think they need to find some balance.
August 28th 2012 @ 7:52pm
Justin Curran said | August 28th 2012 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
‘When Brock McLean is your best player, your club is in a fair bit of trouble’
I am a Demons supporter and all I can say is, Amen to that.
August 29th 2012 @ 9:06am
Macca said | August 29th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Bit harsh, he has been in great form since coming into the team this year.
August 28th 2012 @ 2:21am
brendan said | August 28th 2012 @ 2:21am | Report comment
Ratten had five years and they won one final against Essendon who had the bye in the last round.Obviously there list isn’t good enough and yes they have had injuries but so have other clubs.Ratten should not have responded like he did to the reporter it was a question that should have been asked.A couple of weeks ago he was saying if a side wins 13 games and doesn’t make the finals gee there something wrong with the draw earlier this year he proclaimed the Blues should finish top four .If your going to talk the talk you have to walk the walk and in his case its out the door.Carlton have not adapted to the Afl and still operate with the old Vfl mentality of our top six are better whereas nowadays its how good your bottom sixare particularly relevant in the era of the press.As Sam posted they do drop away after you look at there top ten or so players.
August 28th 2012 @ 9:25am
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Brendan – Where did the blues finish in 2007? What was their list like?
Paul Roo’s wrote on Saturday that Ratten should be judged on whether the club is better tahn he got it, clealry a yes, whether he has developed players, whether he has the confidence of the playing group, another yes and where the team finsihed the year in relation to where they thought htey would taking into account the reasons for that discrepency. Only the last one could they find a negative for Ratten and that still comes down to the weight you put on the injury toll.
August 28th 2012 @ 4:00pm
brendan said | August 28th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
Macca when the new coach next year makes the blueboys improve remember that i told you over twelve months ago Ratten should not be re-appointed.For whatever reason he didn’t get Carlton into a position where they could have a crack at the flag.You did agree that logically if a side doesn’t have success its either the coach , the players or obviously a combination of both under the present system in place it is impossible to sack the playing list so the only conclusion is to replace the coach which a fait accompli.Whilst everyone is focusing on the Suns game lets not forget a 5 and 1 winning start should have resulted in a finals place.If you cant build a side in five years you cant build a side full stop .
August 28th 2012 @ 4:13pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
Brendan – The bombers were 8-1 and could finish a whole game behind the blues – should Hird get the sack?
And the side is built, Casboult & Bell especially have added the missing pieces, Mitchell will provide greater depth should Waite go down again next year so the new coach will have success next year, but he is reaping the rewards of Ratten’s efforts.
And yes 5-1 in any normal circumstance should equate to finals football but it isn’t normal to have to have 2 of you best 3 defnders miss more than 1/2 the year with the third missing well over a month. To have your 4 best marking forwards miss over 1/2 a season and a fifth miss more than a month, for 2 of you best 3 midfielders miss 7 games each and judd, Robinson and Simpson all missing over a month.
And while we are going on about who said what months ago, I pointed to Casboult and McInnes as likely types who will add depth to the key postions when fit and you mocked, anything to say now?
And watch for McCarthy and possibly Mitchell and Buckley this weekend.
August 28th 2012 @ 4:55pm
brendan said | August 28th 2012 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
Hird has been there two years not five like Ratten.Your a joke you throw up the main culprit Casboult against the Suns as a likely type.(for the record five points Ratten even commented on his and Waite’s innacuracy).I wont be watching this week i dont get any enjoyment out of the end of a coach.Keep dreaming Macca remember it was only thirty years ago the Blues won three out of four.
August 29th 2012 @ 9:02am
Macca said | August 29th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Casboult has had 16 shots on goal in the past 3 weeks, yes his kicking is an issue but that can be learnt and improved easily, you can’t teach blokes to clunk contested grabs like he does.
If you can’t even acknowledge he is a find for the blues you really have issues.
(Please note I haven’t picked on any of your spelling or grammatical errors)
August 29th 2012 @ 6:02pm
brendan said | August 29th 2012 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
Lets see what he does over 50 games before he is declared a find.You just dont get it Carlton nor its players have the score on the board who knows Casboult might make a champion chb ala Mopsy Fraser who Jack Dyer sent to the backline after he kicked 8-9 points in the first half in a game.As i have posted before your loyalty to the Blues is commendable but i respect Carlton for what they were and dont think this 7- 10 year plan of success you endorse is acceptable.It appears Ratten is gone good luck to the Blues and whoever there new coach is. Demanding success from both its coaching and playing staff is the way forward for this club.In the early 20th century Fitzroy won 7 flags in 25 years and then only one more under that name i would hate to think Carlton won’t win another flag.In terms of Ratten IMO his playing career triple best and fairest etch influenced the boards perception of his coaching ability too much.Macca if Collingwood snag the flag they will be equal with Carlton yet they have not beaten the Blues in grand final since 1910 which has to be the longest winning streak in world sport so they shouldn’t be level with your team and there is only one way that can cahange.Cheers.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:06am
Macca said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Brendan – “Lets see what he does over 50 games before he is declared a find” Do you lack vision Brendan, can you only see ability once it is proved beyond doubt. Good thing you aren’t a recruiter!
“Macca if Collingwood snag the flag they will be equal with Carlton yet they have not beaten the Blues in grand final since 1910″ Talk about your pointless stats.
August 28th 2012 @ 5:10am
Bee Bee said | August 28th 2012 @ 5:10am | Report comment
Thank goodness he declined to give the standard answer. Press conferences are so boring these days. Robotic answers delivered without any consideration by people who just want it over and done. Maybe thats what Ratten wants. If my heads on the block. Then heres my neck (make it quick) OVER and DONE.
He knows his heads on the block, the reporter knew it to. Why Deflect?
All praise to Ratten for his honesty. If he’s executed for his honesty then bad luck. If he’s allowed to stay he will give it everything. Its so shocking to see honesty anymore. I reckon Ratts don’t care what anyone reckons. He just wants to get on with it. With or without a head.
August 28th 2012 @ 9:21am
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
There is no good answer to the question put and Ratten at least showed his passion, I challenge anyone to go through what he has been through in the last 2 years and face the media after such a terrible loss.
I would also challenge a couple of lines in this article, that the blues were outclassed and the blues were ill prepared for the ferocious suns. The blues clearly didn’t start well but at the end of the game they won more possession, more contested possession, laid more tackles, wnet inside 50 50% more and had more scoring shots. The fact of the matter is it was poor kicking that cost them the game and that is down to the players not the coach.
August 28th 2012 @ 9:24am
amazonfan said | August 28th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
‘Infamous’? What was so bad about his response? I think he handled it perfectly fine. This is the first I’ve read of his response being negatively perceived, and I don’t see what the fuss is at all. If some reporters don’t like it for some reason, that’s not his problem.
August 28th 2012 @ 9:26am
andyincanberra said | August 28th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Of all the games to blame the coach for losing, this is not the one. Carlton was playing against a team of kids, albeit kids with alot of potential. Time to lay off Ratts and have a few of the senior players stand up and be counted.
August 28th 2012 @ 9:45am
Gezza said | August 28th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Ratten might be gone – but Malthouse?
Collingwood finished 15th in his first year (16 teams then) – I bet Carlton can’t wait for that sort of season!
August 28th 2012 @ 9:52am
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
I don’t like the style of footy Malthouse had the Pies playing but if the blues go down the Malthouse path they won’t be finishing 16th, the team he takes over at the blues is on the cusp, the team he took over at the Pies was bottoming out.
August 28th 2012 @ 11:06am
The People said | August 28th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Don’t you mean ‘the team he takes over is the team that lost to the Gold Coast last week”? Or did you mean ‘on the cusp…of finishing bottom in 2013′?
August 28th 2012 @ 11:52am
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Get serious would you!
Saturday was a terrible loss but this is the team that has easily beaten Collingwood twice, smashed the bombers by over 100 points and lost to the Eagles in Perth & Geelong by less than 2 goals despite missing several key players. It is also a team that at worst will have won 50% of it’s games and miss the finals by 2 games despite playing some games with more than 10 first choice players missing.
If you can’t see the potential of the side that ran out on saturday (which won every key stat by a mile they just kicked terribly) plus Robinson, Jamison, Henderson & Lailder you are kidding yourself. Malthouse wouldn’t come back if he didn’t see success.
August 28th 2012 @ 11:55am
Michael/Brisbane said | August 28th 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Macca! You’ve shown your face at last! How bout them expansion teams!
August 28th 2012 @ 12:02pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
I’ve shown my face at last – I was on here quite often yesterday!
What happened on Saturday doesn’t change my view on the expansion teams at all.
August 28th 2012 @ 12:02pm
Gezza said | August 28th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Wow!
Such a good team and such a good coach
10th so gonna sack the coach
Then spend $2.5million for new coaching staff to get to where you should have been in the first place dumping a club champion in the process
Tough game this footy!
Wonder what position Cloke is gonna play?
August 28th 2012 @ 1:09pm
The People said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
I am serious. Check the score. Gold Coast beat Carlton, even though GC were plagued with injuries and C.Hunt was out. Here’s another one – Port Adelaide beat Carlton this year by 50+ points (let me guess, Carlton fielded their reserves team or something). Everyone is beating the Bombers at the moment so I can’t give you that one (no mention from you that they have injuries – isn’t this your line about Carlton?). Collingwood granted, but Richmond also beat the Hawks this year (a better team than the Pies), so does that mean they’ll be a force next year?
Every team has “potential” but I don’t see anything outstanding to suggest Carlton will be top 4 next year. You would have to agree that GC have more potential to move up the ladder several spots next year (say 5) than Carlton (maybe 1-2 at best) at the moment.
I would recommend changing your line to “We had our fair share of injuries this year and we missed the finals – full stop”. Not this “we would have made top 4 or won the premiership” line you push. Supporters behind at least 3 clubs that miss the 8 or 4 argue that point every year. Its a fact of AFL life. You might as well argue that you would have been top 4 if you’d have picked X player in the draft rather than Y player.
August 28th 2012 @ 1:24pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
The people – It’s K Hunt for a start but him being out is the best thing that happenned to the Suns in 18 games with that list clogger playing they won 1 game, in 3 without him they have won 2!
I have never said the blues were premiership chances this year but if Carrazzo, Murphy, Simpson, Judd, Laidler, Henderson, Jamison, Yarran, Robinson, Walker, Hampson & Casboult (to name a few) hadn’t all missed at least a month of footy the blues would of been in a much better position this year.
And while injuries are a fact of life, having the players missing from your best 22 is not usual.
And yes Richmond I thik Richmond (a team the blues beat twice) will make the finals next year.
And who were the bombers missing last week and who were the blues missing?
August 28th 2012 @ 1:40pm
The People said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
“I have never said the blues were premiership chances this year”
Am I correct in saying that you wrote the following last week? :
“So while injuries may have prevented 2012 being a premiership year, it has still seen the Blues take a massive step towards their next premiership.”
Lets leave it at that. You seem stuck in this alternative what-if world of no injuries/no reports where Carlton rule supreme.
August 28th 2012 @ 1:49pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
The people – Yes I did say that but that is vastly different thing to saying that they are a premiership chance this year. The first line of that article actually explicity said I wasn’t saying they would win the premiership this year.
The whole point of the article was that the players they have found this year are some of the missingpieces the blues have had, a key forward in Casboult, an inside mid in Bell (and McLean) and a quality defender in McInnes.
If you can’t understand that maybe we should leave it there.
August 28th 2012 @ 2:01pm
The People said | August 28th 2012 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
Agree, lets leave it. When someone writes that injuries probably prevented 2012 being a premiership year, and then says they were never a chance to win the premiership in 2012, I have no idea what they are saying.
August 28th 2012 @ 2:11pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
he people – It’s not my fault you can’t follow the logic but let’s take you through it slowly.
I have never said the blues were a premiership, although simply by being in the competition there is always some chance you could win a premiership.
The blues had a bad run of injuries, one of the worst in the league.
This contributed to them losing games they needed to win if they were ever going to be a premiership chance.
The discovery of some new quality players this year makes it more likely they will win a premiership in coming years.
Therefore while injuries destroyed what ever slim chance the blues had at a premiership this year they will be better for them in the long run.
understand? i
August 28th 2012 @ 2:39pm
The People said | August 28th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
“If you can’t understand that maybe we should leave it there”.
I replied to this comment that I can’t understand and agreed with you to leave it there.
You then replied AGAIN. I’m now really confused (especially the line where you say ” injuries may have prevented 2012 being a premiership year”).
See ya
August 28th 2012 @ 2:42pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
The People – If you are going out I hope your mum doesn’t forget to pin your mittens on and try not to lick the windows of the bus.
August 28th 2012 @ 2:58pm
The People said | August 28th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
Resorted to name calling Macca? You are not only incredibly stupid (“Carlton should have won the premiership but for injuries, Carlton are taking massive steps, Carlton will win the premiership in the next few years etc etc etc rubbish rubbish rubbish) but incredibly immature.
Don’t reply. Move on. Grow up.
August 28th 2012 @ 3:03pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Where did i call you a name? I just assumed that someone who could not comprehend the most simple of things must need looking when they went out into the world.
If you don’t like thing getting immature maybe you should set the bar higher when it comes to the dross you post.
August 28th 2012 @ 3:15pm
The People said | August 28th 2012 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
“If you don’t like thing getting immature maybe you should set the bar higher when it comes to the dross you post.”
Can you write? Are you talking about yourself?
Hey, just in case you forgot, Carlton lost to Gold Coast last weekend, will miss the finals, and look like sacking their coach. Suck it up and move on….please!
See ya
August 28th 2012 @ 3:16pm
micka said | August 28th 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
The people – It’s K Hunt for a start but him being out is the best thing that happenned to the Suns in 18 games with that list clogger playing they won 1 game, in 3 without him they have won 2!
Macca, if memory serves, they also won one without Gary “list clogger” Ablett.
August 28th 2012 @ 3:31pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
Micka – Do you know what a list clogger is? The best player on the park isn’t one.
The people – “Can you write?” I am sorry which word can’t you understand? I forgot how simple you were, just try to sound it out but if that doesn’t work let me know and I’ll explain it to you.
August 28th 2012 @ 4:23pm
The People said | August 28th 2012 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
This bit….
“If you don’t like thing getting immature maybe…”
I did include the sentence last time, so not certain why you are asking me again. I do not understand it, although it does sound like you are angry. I’m logging off in any case, so no need reply. Have a nice night.
Nighty night
August 28th 2012 @ 4:30pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
The special people -You really do struggle don’t you, couldn’t think hard enough to put an s on the end of “thing” to get the meaning.
i am sorry if I sound angry, I know I shouldn’t get angry at you “special” ones, it’s not your fault your mother didn’t get off the bundy’s during pregnancy or you lived under power lines as a child.
August 28th 2012 @ 1:20pm
hawker said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
you realise that GC had more first choice players out than Carlton
August 28th 2012 @ 1:34pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Yes Hawker and I am not blaming injuries for the loss (although I would say that losing McInnes early compounded the issues of missing our top 3 tall defenders and helped Lynch and Dixon make the most of their opportunities) the side we had out there should of won comfortably.
My point was that that team won the tackle count, won the contested possession, won the total possession, won the clearances, won the inside 50′s and won the scoring shots all very comfortably so it wasn’t like they got smashed, they just failed in one of the most fundamental of skills, kicking, they missed targets and missed goals.
This meant that the Suns stayed in the game longer than they otherwise would of (even iwith them getting the jump) and allowed their confidence to build.
I am not making excuses for the blues just pointing out that if you put those 4 players back in and look objectively at the team it has a good balance and quality players.
August 28th 2012 @ 1:47pm
Nathan of Perth said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
You can win all the other stats you want but if your kicking efficiency is shizen, what can you expect but a loss?
It would be like me saying that our win over Carlton this year should be considered a 40 point win because we normally would have kicked better than 2.9 in the second quarter (which further kept you in the game longer than you otherwise would have).
Aside from injuries the #1 different, really, between 2010 Eagles and 2011 Eagles was kicking skills/disposal efficiency
August 28th 2012 @ 1:48pm
Strummer Jones said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Macca, I think you are trying to say that Carlton had a Moral Victory against the Suns at least. If so, I wholeheartedly agree.
August 28th 2012 @ 1:57pm
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Nathan of Perth – I agree with you about kicking efficiency – my point is that the loss wasn’t because the team didn’t try, or that the coaching was terrible or that the players are no good, it was because they had a dirty night using the ball.
So while the loss was bad let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.
August 28th 2012 @ 9:56am
amazonfan said | August 28th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
They finished last the previous year, so it’s not as if Malthouse could have coached them to a flag in his first season as Collingwood coach. Not to mention that just three seasons after they finished last, he came incredibly close to coaching them to a flag.
August 28th 2012 @ 9:50am
Nathan of Perth said | August 28th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Well it will take a miracle to save him now….
August 28th 2012 @ 11:23am
Hawks9108 said | August 28th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
feel sorry for Ratten…he has done a great job in my opinion. He has been besieged by injuries to star players and this has cost him/the club.
blokes like Maclure have been on his case for the past 2 years calling for his head and he has finbally got his way.
it appears to me that teh golden child Hird can use injuries as an excuse but Rats wasn’t allowed to?? I dont get that??
August 28th 2012 @ 11:34am
Jay said | August 28th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
No doubt he’s under pressure, but I cheered for him when he gave that answer. Imagine having to put up with the same inane questions every week. Even if he wasn’t under pressure he’d still have to put up with rubbish questions. It’s about time reporters put a little more thought into what they’re asking. It’s been good this year seeing some of the coaches dish out a bit of punishment at the after match press conference.
August 28th 2012 @ 11:39am
Macca said | August 28th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Couldn’t agree more Jay, as soon as the blues lost to Essendon the journo’s had Ratten back in the gun. Really he has done very well this year, found 3 or 4 quality young kids, won possibly 12 games despite being wrecked with injuries and got improvement out of the likes of McLean.
I believe current day journo’s lack the understanding of the game to ask analysis question so the ask the how do you feel type questions instead when everyone already knows the answer.