Olympic sevens rugby is key to player numbers
By MikeN, 30 Aug 2012 MikeN is a Roar Pro
- Tagged:
- AFL, ARU, NRL, Olympics, Rugby Union, Sevens rugby
131 Have your say
Aussie Thunderbolts captain Ed Jenkins wearing the lime kit of the Australian Sevens team (Photo: Australian Rugby)
Related coverage
People are complaining that Australia lacks depth in rugby, with plenty written about the financial power of the NRL and AFL, moaning that rugby is missing out on many of the gifted athletes because the other sports get the first shot at them at school level.
How can rugby improve its playing numbers?
If rugby was in the same position of strength as it is in New Zealand and South Africa, where would we sit in the international rugby pecking order? We would be the powerhouse.
What are the options for improvement?
Spend more of the dwindling financial reserves on competing directly with the ARL and AFL? The ARU will be outgunned by bigger budgets.
Do very little but hope people will keep trying rugby as a sport? This seems to be the current approach. It isn’t enough.
Or, take advantage of something that the ARL and AFL will never have, the fact that rugby is an Olympic sport.
I see no promotion of the rugby sevens format to entice kids at school and young men at city and state level to sign up and hopefully get to the Olympic games one day.
The ARU could not have taken advantage of the recent Olympic games to promote rugby sevens because there is nothing specific to promote.
Our current rugby seven program seems appears to take talented individuals out of the city and state 15-a-side teams and put them in the international sevens program.
We need to get more people into rugby. A a good sevens program, from the grass roots up, will greatly help. The current approach does nothing but raid our current stock of players.
Set up state-based sevens matches as curtain raisers for Super Rugby matches, assisting in crowd number for both forms of rugby. Have a schools sevens tournament in each state, culminating in a national schools tournament.
Don’t forget there would be girls/women tournaments as well. How will the ARL and AFL compete there?
There might be guys and girls who get to represent Australia without playing the 15-a-side game, but that is not a bad thing.
Young kids out there are being put into football and AFL teams because their mothers are concerned about the physicality of rugby. I know my two boys played football because my wife thought rugby was too rough.
They didn’t stay in football, but went to basketball and hockey as they got older. I lost out with rugby, and rugby lost them. I think I could have got them into a sevens comp.
Sevens rugby could be a better option for concerned parents than 15-a-side. It is more likely they would put their kids into sevens, especially as they could have all their kids in the one sport. When the kids get older and can influence their choice of sport more, 15-a-side would have a good shot at getting them.
I think it is really important for the ARU to get off their hands and do something positive about sevens rugby. Use the fact it is an Olympic sport to improve not only our national sevens team but rugby’s position in the community.
Sport, all day long. Does this sound too good to be true? We're searching for a Group Sales Manager to lead our team in Sydney. If you're a sales star who doesn't mind a hit, kick, throw, or cycle, we want to hear from you. Apply now.
Do you have what it takes to become a sports writer? Write for the roar
Rugby Union articles
- Wallabies squad announced: Folau in, no Quade Cooper – yet (267)
- Deans: Should he stay or should he go? (245)
- SPIRO’s Lions Diary: Deans goes for experience, plus Folau (242)
- Wallabies 25-man Lions squad: analysis (214)
- Quade Cooper misses Wallaby squad selection (209)
- Quade shouldn’t be fly half against the Lions (184)
- What gives with Israel Folau? (184)
- Super Rugby teams will skin the Lions (94)
- Super B to the rescue for rugby? (43)
- Picking your ‘First V’ for the Wallabies (62)
- Looking forward to the 2015 Wallabies (19)
- Philippines avoids relegation, stays in Asian Five Nations top division (6)
- Hooray! Saffa ref blows whistle on time-consuming scrum resets (0)
- Sanzar “shafts Japie” sides (4)
Recommend this story.
- Explore:
- AFL, ARU, NRL, Olympics, Rugby Union, Sevens rugby

August 30th 2012 @ 7:25am
Johnno said | August 30th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
-it is that is why i support leagues playing sevens rugby at Olympics. stuff this loyalty motto , only thing that counts is winning.
There are rugby fans in OZ who would on principle only want contracted rugby players and would prefer that , even if it means not winning gold.
-I only care about winning and olympic gold best way to grow game. And i don’t care if they have 2 contrast 1 to league and 1 to rugby just win the gold i don’t care what code they play soccer or whatever just win the gold. But some would rather lose gold and only have contracted leagues. Old fashion attitudes is why rugby gets left behind in OZ. Winning is everything and loyalty is only judges on your ability to win not being loyal to a code. Stuff loyalty and just win gold, who cares about loyalty. That is why i cheered SBW’s defection to french rugby , he went coz he wanted too stuff league and everyone else. Winning hould be no 1 i hope the ARU gets that at the olympics, they shoal dick the absolute best team that can qin gold, if that means it is 90% leagues then so be it.
Get inglis,hayne, ben barba, jennings, T-rex williams, get em all in if they are the best option just make winning gold no 1 and loyalty a very distant and rightful 2nd. Winning gold is no1 and we should not compromise that on old private school or old amateur rugby values, no wonder aussy rugby struggles with old fashion agendas and principles that don’t cut it in the capitalist pro sport world of twenty 12. Grow the game of rugby nest way is to pick the best possible team of players no matter that code of no matter how many codes there contracted too, winning comes no 1 and ethics, moral,s and loyalty should be a distant 2nd in capitalist world of pro sport where winning equals money, tv ratings $$$$, exposure and image for the code.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:07am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Yes Johnno, I think picking sevens players from the 15 a side comp is the least likely way of winning gold.
I am actually promoting a structure that would allow a player to get to represent Australia at the Olympics without ever playing a game of 15 a side.
My point is that there is a better chance of 15 a side benefiting if it embraces fully sevens and promotes 15 a side rugby to the expanded sevens fraternity.
The way things are at the moment both sevens and 15 a side are not being managed properly and are both not a successful as they could be.
August 30th 2012 @ 11:28am
Mango Jack said | August 30th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Morals!! What are you saying Johnno? Allow spear tackles, chicken wings and squirrel grips??! Lol
August 30th 2012 @ 1:49pm
Johnno said | August 30th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
lol maybe why not. but no maybe not that far but anything goes mango jack i just want the gold.
August 30th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Jagman said | August 30th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Johnno how exactly do you propose the ARU “let” league players go to the olympics? Last time the olympics was in the southern hemisphere it was in september that’s finals footy time. Will the NRL be happy to just “let” players go? Can we assume that the NRL players are so good that they can just hop off the plane at Rio like the American dream team and the Gold medal is ours? Or do you think they will actually have to play the game leading up to the olympics thereby not playing in the NRL and actually signing up with the ARU anyway?
August 30th 2012 @ 1:42pm
Quakezone... said | August 30th 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Never happen we are in the professional era my friend, olympics come but once every 4 years, will these clubs let their “Employees” go to get gold and risk injury? They would also have to play the game prior to the olympics as well to get the feel would you let these million dollar men risk injury to play a game leaguies hate….
With all the league talent there is no garantee of gold, NZ would field a strong team, SA the african nations etc…. Your dreaming mate.
August 30th 2012 @ 7:38am
Whites said | August 30th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
There already are schoolboys rugby sevens tournaments.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:01am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
That’s good, but they need to be part of a structure that enables a school aged kid, girl or boy, to progress to city/state/international levels. And yes, without having to be involved in 15 a side.
August 30th 2012 @ 12:05pm
Markus said | August 30th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Apart from the one token public school that was invited to field a team from their league players (and won), are any non-GPS schools included?
August 31st 2012 @ 1:25pm
Leo said | August 31st 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
There were actually many public and league schools who took part in the Queensland tournament and Nudgee, Brisbane State High, Ipswich Grammar and Keebra Park went through to the semis.
August 31st 2012 @ 1:25pm
Leo said | August 31st 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
There were actually many public and league schools who took part in the Queensland tournament and Nudgee, Brisbane State High, Ipswich Grammar and Keebra Park went through to the semis.
August 30th 2012 @ 7:43am
jdubya said | August 30th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Rugby 7s is the 20/20 of Rugby and we have seen what 20/20 has done for cricket. Why do you think that 7s players would have any interest in 15s? They are vastly different games and I think that 7s has more in common with League than Union.
If you want to hold back Australia’s chance of winning gold because of your bias against Leauge and your misguided notion that 7s is the saviour of Union in Australia then good luck to you.
August 30th 2012 @ 7:58am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
I do not want to hold back Australia’s chances of winning gold at the Olympics.
My point is that by being more active in the sevens area at all levels the ARU has a better chance of getting some additional people into rugby as a whole.
I would see no problem with a person playing sevens and being contracted to another sport. I was not sayiong all sevens players have to play 15 a side.
The fact is the sevens is a rugby sport and the ARU needs to get more involved to:
A Improve our chances of winning gold by increasing the pool of players involved
B Promoting rugby as a whoie on the back of the olympic experience
August 30th 2012 @ 7:59am
Johnno said | August 30th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
I support league i am saying get all the leagues in even if just for the olympics. like i said stuff loyalty, winning is the only credibility that ocunts. there are rugby fans that would rather lose gold or have a shot at gold, , than pick other contracted players to other forty codes i simply say pick the best possible aussy team form all talant available doesn’t matter if they play other codes if they are willing to take some time off and reconditions for a few months to 7evens and they are the best then that’s all that counts winning gold,and stuff things like loyalty or ethics or morals, the same type of fans that bleed on about that rubbish are same fans who complain when we lose.
I say pick the best players australia has coz winning is everything no matter how you do it. And you need that hard nose attitude anything less is soft and weak, other nations are having open slather and picking the best available talant form all codes even if contracted at the time and so should we . To many aussy rugby fans in my view have so many 2 faced attitudes. No hunger to grow game into working class areas, with more talent, happy to stick to private schools even of we lose world cups, and same attitude with olympics some rugby fans are saying don’t get leaguies even if they have more talent they will spoil it by not being loyal to rah rah. Well who cares i am an aussy sports fans that just cares about winning gold, and loyalty comes last, winning is no 1, so a lot of rugby fans have to toughen up and have a harder nosed view to there game and have a winning is everything attitude and should never be compromised, i don’t know if that is capitalism or ultralism or dominance attitude or no mercy or greedy but i like winning, i am sick of the wallabies not willing to get tough about losing, and make the real changes like get the code out to the working class, or have imports in super rugby. Dd brad thorn harm irish rugby development by stopping an irish player get a start , no he help an irish club win the HEK cup which means more money for irish rugby, and more money to spend on junior development.
Did chris gaily by playing T20 cricket in OZ harm T20 cricket by stopping a local get a start no.
-So winning should never be compromised at all. It like soccer fans who complain about european nations or south american nations who fake dives at world cups and call them cheats, i say harden up aussy soccer fans and resort to your own dirty tactics put winning no 1 thats all history recognises winning . Does anyone care in Argenitna about maradonna’s hand of god goal, all the english soccer fans complaining i just say , bravo to Maradonna for benign the rules and not getting couaght and winning.
So winning is no 1 doesn’t how you achieve it in my opinion, and the aussies should send the best possible squad jbuya no matter which code they come fmo. SO i am all for leagues playing in the Olympics 1 thousand percent i want them in it if they are the best option.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:22am
Leo said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Last time I look rugby sevens had the same rules as 15 man rugby except for numbers. This BS from the leaguies that sevens is more common with league than is getting really old. I know rugby sevens been an Olympic sport is getting to some non rugby fans just move on man.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:33am
mania said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
7′s has less rucks and mauls. the scrum isnt as easy to use in attack. u hardly ever kick penalties.
i’d say 7′s is easier for leagies to learn as there are less dark arts.
however leagies suk cos they just dont get rugby. league converts in general make useless union players. theres only been 2 exceptions to this rule and that was bradThorn and jasonRobinson
August 30th 2012 @ 9:50am
Zippa said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Yeah SBW was a big failure in union wasnt he.
August 30th 2012 @ 10:58am
garth said | August 30th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
nor was he an outstanding success either, SBW media hype notwithstanding is an ok utility back at test level and that’s it.
August 30th 2012 @ 2:15pm
Leo said | August 30th 2012 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
Bingo
August 30th 2012 @ 3:48pm
Zippa said | August 30th 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
Nor was he an outstanding success. How can you write that with a straight face. The guy is killing it. His name is all over the papers for a reason because he is such a standout.
If he wasnt such a success why are the NZRU pleading with him not to leave.
August 31st 2012 @ 7:58am
Leo said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
For god sake the ARU will be pleading with all the Wallabies that played on saturday against SBW not to leave when their contracts are up. Were they all success?
August 30th 2012 @ 8:40am
kovana said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Sorry jdu.. But the IRB lobbied hard for Rugby 7s to be included in the Olympics.. So it should be for the advantage of rugby players.
If league players want to play, they have to sign with the ARU, join a rugby club, 15s and 7s for at least 1 – 2 years to be eligible for the National Olympic 7s team.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:42am
Johnno said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
why kovan stuff floyalty winning comes no 1. What is a better way to grow and expose rugby winning gold with people who are only in the code for a short time fly in fly out leagues, or losing gold or not winning a medal with loyal rugby players. Id take the gold anytime kovana winning is no 1 in my books .
August 30th 2012 @ 9:07am
Sailosi said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Johnno. How do we know some of these players will be any good. That’s not saying they won’t be but maybe the best rugby league player that would make the best 7′s player might not be one of the stars. mYbe the best NRL 7′s player maybe a young guy that hasn’t played much nrl yet. There has to be some sort of selection criteria. I can’t see it being any less than a year because Australia has to qualify first.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:30am
Johnno said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Sailosi i suppose some ways are to trial them in the off season. TO the appropriate sports science tests. TO see if they up to it. USA rugby is doing this now it is doing a nation wide ad for people interested in sevens rugby, and asking applicants to give strength and codtioning results.
Also USA rugb has now put out a clear development pathway I am on there facebook website and wow, do they blow the ARU out of the water in effort and pathways, they are seriously impressive. And they have only just started sailoisi. It is scary to think what a country like USA can achieve in 10 years when one looks at what Georgia has done in the last 10 years. And USA/Canada both beat Georgia on the Georgians North american tour in the off season they were not at full strength but the opine is they beat them both USA/Canada did. And both are part of the world sevens series . And now USA has made the under world cup in france next year winning promotion fast times ahead Sailosi. And USA has already issued out full time contracts for sevens rugby all training at the olympic high performance facility as rugby is now getting olympic funding.
http://www.usarugby.org/#goto/players
And sails another step for USA rugby i just read they have had an audit and are restructuring there domestic comps to be more competitive all in the gradual move to a semi pro or pro comp. USA moving fast i think and in a good direction unlike aussies right now,.
http://www.rugbymag.com/men's-di-clubs/5634-usa-rugby-announces-club-restructure.html
August 30th 2012 @ 10:47am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Yeah, my biggest fear for Australian rugby is the situation where 15 a side rugby languishes with a decreasing pool of players (outmuscled by financially stronger ARL and AFL) and more active and organised nations pushing our sevens program into oblivion.
Sevens will be a good opportunnity for the asian nations. Imagine the player pools in China and India if they get similarly organised.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:23am
Brett McKay said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Johnno, using that logic, Tennis should “fly in ” a couple of squash players (squash not being an Olympic sport) for a few months leading into the Games. They both hit balls with raquets afterall…
August 30th 2012 @ 9:32am
Johnno said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Brett good point but both codes are far linked, like Gailic football and aussie rules very similar, one cant compare tennis and squash, with rugby and rugby league, i think you have had too many debates with Johnno myself that is, and KPM and oikee.
August 30th 2012 @ 10:15am
kovana said | August 30th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
And what makes you think Oz would win it? You think other teams will roll over and die? Get real.
As i said, if league players wanna play 7s, They have to sign up with the ARU or NZRU, join 15s and 7s team at least 1-2 years before the olympics to prove their worth.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:43am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
A good friend of mine has a 16 yr old so who plays rugby on Saturdays and league on Sundays. I think a league, or AFL of soccer kid can also play sevens.
I think the best shot at sevens success is getting kids playing it from the start, not having fly ins with a qualifying period.
The point I am trying to make is that once rugby has these kids playing sevens, it has a greatly increased captive player pool to market to (re 15 a side) and to promote to sponsors to improve its financial position.
August 30th 2012 @ 1:06pm
p.Tah said | August 30th 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
“Rugby 7s is the 20/20 of Rugby and we have seen what 20/20 has done for cricket.”
Injected millions of dollars into the game and made crickets players some of the highest paid sportsmen in the country. As long as the IRB maintains control of the game and not fall into the trap the ICC have with India, rugby 7s and 15s will continue to do well.
Rugby 7s isn’t going to cause an exodus of RL players to flood the Rugby ranks. Some will cross. Those with athletics backgrounds will have a strong affinity to the allure of Olympic Gold. In a recent interview Ed Jenkins said that a 7s player runs on average 70-90km a week in training/playing. Not all RL players could handle that workload and maintain the focus to play at their optimum level.
7s is not going to make rugby this country’s No. 1 sport, but it’s certainly nice to have it! I love watching it. The intensity of tackles in the final between Australia and Samoa on the weekend were on par with SOO IMO. It was brutal, fast and edge of the seat stuff. It’s not going to knock off AFL, NRL or 15s but it’s another option for viewers and another career choice for sports people (men and women).
In my view even though the rules are Rugby rules it’s a hybrid between RL and Rugby in the way the game pans out. Players can play both, but at the top level they need to be playing it together for a while or NZ, the Pacific Island teams, South Africa etc. will destroy them. I have no concern with RL players switching to 7s but they can’t just walk into the team. It’s a different game and needs to be learnt.
The great thing about 7s is the tournament set up. School kids who play RL, 15s or even Aussie Rules can play their full season but on a chosen weekend they can give 7s a go. We’ve seen it with Keebra Park. This will happen more and more in the future and it’s the way 7s will grow.
August 30th 2012 @ 7:50am
Mals said | August 30th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Good article. My son is only young but he has already tried football & now basketball. I am sure he’d like to give rugby 7s a go if it existed at his age group.
–
Comment left via The Roar’s iPhone app. Download The Roar’s iPhone App in the App Store here.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:31am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Exactly Mals, where is the format for your son to get involved.
Another person has said there are schools tournaments, but where does a kid, at a school that is not involved in sevens, go to get involved in sevens rugby? If there is a path out there very few people know about it.
August 30th 2012 @ 7:55am
sheek said | August 30th 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
There is this flawed perception out there that rugby 7s is the Moses who will lead Australian rugby to the promised land.
Ask basketball or hockey how being an Olympics sport has seen them rocket to the top of the popularity stakes in Australia?
Don’t you believe this stuff for one moment.
It’s the week-in, week-out quality of national domestic comps that wins the fans over.
Australian football isn’t played anywhere else, but the AFL is king in Australia. They don’t need to be an Olympic sport. Rugby league is seriously played these days in only 4 countries, but the NRL rivals AFL as our most popular footy code. They don’t need to be an Olympic sport either.
Let’s hope Australian rugby doesn’t fall for this line of reasoning & becomes complacent or even lazy. Our game is in bad shape. We have no significant domestic national comp to speak of.
Rugby 7s at the Olympics is nice to have, but it won’t be the saviour of Australian rugby by itself.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:26am
Leo said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
I’m not sure where you got that from sheek that Olympics sevens will save Australian rugby probably not from rugby fans anyway. Sevens rugby in the Olympics is the best thing to happen to the game of rugby up there with the first rugby world cup and rugby turning professional.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:33am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
But Leo, rugby must become active to take advantage not sit back and hope.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:29am
Leo said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Your right but that will eventually come after the first rugby sevens games in Rio. When I coach kids in Australia nearly all of them have never ever play sevens. Now the ARU have already set up school tournaments for both boys and girls and that will pick up in the future.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:55am
sheek said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Leo,
Obviously you didn’t read my post closely, because MikeN has nailed it with his comment (which I articulated myself).
Having rugby 7s at the Olympics is an obvious benefit, providing Australian rugby, nor anyone else takes it for granted.
And Leo, being proficient at 7s doesn’t automatically translate to being proficient at XVs (as I’m sure you would know).
Right now, having 7s at the Olympics is an opportunity. How well that opportunity is grasped, remains to be seen.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:40am
peterlala said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Sheek, you are right. Even if 7s is good for rugby, it will be good for all rugby throughout the world. Not especially Australia.
August 30th 2012 @ 11:36am
Mango Jack said | August 30th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
I think the point is that AUS can potentially benefit more than other rugby playing nations, because there is a huge pool of oval-ball playing talent locked away in other codes. But I agree, being an olympic sport in itself will not solve rugby’s problems. Once every 4 years in not sufficient incentive.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:20am
JottingsOnRugby.com said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:20am | Report comment
sheek you make some interesting observations. The appeal of an Olympics & shot at a gold medal is a big drw, but you’re right, 7s is already available to all that want to play, including a world 7s circuit.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:59am
Zippa said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
You are right Sheek most aussie kids would prefer to win a AFL or an NRL premiership than they would a gold medal just like most americans would rather win a superbowl or an nba title than a gold medal.
If you think rugby 7s being in the olympics will make rugby popular in Australia you are dreaming. If this was the case then hockey and swimming would be our most popular sports but they are not.
August 30th 2012 @ 2:13pm
sheek said | August 30th 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
No Zippa,
I’m not the one dreaming, & you seem to be a bit all over the shop with your comments.
Like I said, having rugby 7s is an opportunity. How well the opportunity is grasped remains to be seen.
August 30th 2012 @ 7:59am
tc said | August 30th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
MikeN I like your article it is positive and is trying to look forward ,but please don’t include the statement that if rugby in Aussie was in the same position as SA/NZ rugby you guys would dominate world rugby ,this is laughable to the extreme ,Australia would take its part in tier one rugby but would not dominate.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:07am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
I can dream can’t I?
August 30th 2012 @ 8:20am
Johnno said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Tc the old line that used to make me laugh was AB’s and kiwi rugby players were only good enough for the NSW cup in league in the 80′s and 90′s when they defected too funny. Im sure craig inness, john timu, matt ridge, darly halligan, kurt shurlock , john kirwan, marc ellis, still laugh at that.
August 30th 2012 @ 10:05am
Zippa said | August 30th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Johno they were all very average league players that made little impact in league. The same cant be said about league players going to union. SBW ring a bell.
August 30th 2012 @ 10:18am
kovana said | August 30th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Maurie Faasavalu?
August 30th 2012 @ 11:07am
Zippa said | August 30th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Who is he
August 30th 2012 @ 2:21pm
kovana said | August 30th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Oh i forgot… For you, your world ends at the east coast of Australia.
Sorry.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:02am
Leo said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
I didn’t know a Kiwi international player is regard as “little impact in league” .
August 30th 2012 @ 10:23am
Johnno said | August 30th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Zippia hardly i don’t lnow about most of that list:
-Craig Innnes around 95-97 was seen as in the top 1-3 centures in the game him and terry hill were lethal at manly
-Ridge captianed nz was there best player with steve kearney for a long time
-Halligan best goalkicker in rugby league played lots of tests for NZ won a grand final with bulldogs
-TImu was good for a few years played test footy too
-JKurt sherlock was handy played for NZ league
-Ellis and kIRWAN WERE ABITT SILLYILL GIVE OYU THAT , BUT THE OTHERS WERE ALL WORLD CLASS PLAYERS zippa.
August 30th 2012 @ 3:53pm
Zippa said | August 30th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
You still didnt answer the question Kovana I have never heard of the guy did he play league. I doubt any league fans would know who you are talking about.
If he played NSW cup then I apoligize.
August 30th 2012 @ 5:00pm
kovana said | August 30th 2012 @ 5:00pm | Report comment
Zippa, your reply just shows how insular you are and how for you League just does not exist outside of East australia.
And yes, he did play league, at the highest level… But wait…I am confused.. What would you define as the highest level of league?
August 31st 2012 @ 8:04am
Leo said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Even though those names were Kiwis and English internationals I think Zippa was waiting for their SOO resume to be mention as thats the pinnacle of rugby league.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:28am
Leo said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
That is South Auckland mentality there just ask matt-s.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:37am
Blue Blood said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
I think the sevens game has been strong internationally for a long time. The international tournaments are a festival of colour and party atmosphere that draw huge crowds of rugby lovers and thise new to tge game. And many players who are now in the Super comp cut their international teeth at sevens.
Matt Hodgson was the Captain of the Australian Sevens team back in the day before he had any Super rugby success and many of the young backs coming through are following in his footsteps.
I do also think that it is a great stand along game that will get a following in much the same way as 20:20 as others have alluded too.
Certainly enough has not been done to create clear pathways in all codes of rugby to date. I think that it will take a shake up at the ARU for this to happen. The current old boys seem jaded and unsupportive of any idea that isn’t their own – and they haven’t had a fresh idea in years.
Good, timely article.
August 30th 2012 @ 8:48am
Sailosi said | August 30th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
It is definately one way of getting more people involved in playing rugby. Not just league players playing, you can already see what they produce. It’s the hidden gems you want to find that may be playing AFL, basketball, soccer, volleyball etc. William Ryder is one of the best 7′s players of the past decade and Fiji discovered him playing soccer.
The USA are already seeing the benfit of doing this with 7′s. Just look at this years NFL draft with 7 former high school and college rugby players being selected. So many kids are playing sevens in the football off season. They might one day retrun to rugby. Nate Ebner a college rugby player at Ohio State was drafted by the Patriots and is a chance to start in the first game of the season.
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/blitz/index.php/2012/08/27/for-nate-ebner-practice-makes-perfect/
Johnson Bademosi is another guy who one day might return to rugby.
http://www.rugbymag.com/rugbymag.com-blog/5463-bademosi-thanks-rugby.html
August 30th 2012 @ 9:06am
hog said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Rugby must make sure that it has its house in order to take advantage of the 7′s Olympic’s in 2016, just by being at the games won;’t save rugby as stated here basketball,hockey don’t really get a big lift , but what rugby has to do is make sure that the extra exposure it gets in 2016 is not just wasted the months after the games finishes.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:29am
MikeN said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
I agree hog, but it means a clear pathway from pre-teens all the way through to the internationals.
If rugby sevens had been in this Olympics, how would a little boy or girl who got interested in sevens get involved?
The ARU must create the structure to support a successful sevens program, Then it will have the opportunity to sell 15 a side to a large player pool.
August 30th 2012 @ 9:23am
JottingsOnRugby.com said | August 30th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
MikeN. Wholly agree with your sentiment that 7s should be used with a higher profile. I think there is some 7s work being done in schools but maybe it needs more publicity.
I wrote back in March on The Roar that I thought 7s could have a very exciting future of new clubs & competitions, but nothing seems to be happening along those lines at all (there is in the UK & USA though).
7s rugby from what I can see affords the potential for a small group to independently form a small one-team rugby club, devise their own colours, jersey and mascot, and quickly begin to embrace and enjoy the social trappings, connections & sponsors that being part of a rugby club and match-day offers.
Somewhat akin to ‘Golden Oldies’ perhaps, but for all ages, offering far more regular games, and establishing a permanent club (a process made even simpler in today’s world of instant communication and social tools). The creation of these micro rugby clubs could provide a means for those who want to play rugby, but can’t commit to it every week, nor the training demands.
Yet, it is this last point that could stymie the potential of Sevens to grow rugby – 7s is a very physically demanding sport played out on a full sized field, even though it is intended (below the elite levels) as a social game.
If nothing is done, 7s will inevitably be restricted to those who play (or aspire to play) at the professional level, or in the tournaments and development teams that exist as a pathway toward it.
The thing about 7s that I see is that it can get people involved who are not getting involved in XVs rugby – whether player, official, sponsor etc. It shouldn’t be a matter of extracting resources from XVs to sustain & build success & growth of 7s. It should be a separate product & arm of the game.
Good on you MikeN for raising the 7s issue again.