How Ratten’s given the Wallabies a wake-up call
By David Lord, 31 Aug 2012 David Lord is a Roar Expert
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Sacked Carlton coach Brett Ratten inadvertently gave the Wallabies a wake-up call at his media conference yesterday.
Proving himself a class act after 24 years at the club, and despite the grilling he copped from the Melbourne AFL media, Ratten said of his roster: “We are very fortunate in life. The players have great opportunities to control whatever they want to do, and whatever they want to be, as a person.
“Don’t wait there and have regrets. Do it now, and live in the moment”.
That’s what Carlton didn’t do against the lowly Suns, who waltzed away with a shock 12.7.79 to 9.13.67 win that triggered Ratten’s sacking, just like how the Wallabies played against the world’s number one ranked All Blacks over the last two Saturdays that has led to calls for Robbie Deans to be sacked.
Carlton players were pathetic, so too the Wallabies.
Both didn’t control whatever they wanted to do, or whatever they wanted to be.
Nor did they live in the moment.
The well-chosen words were lost on both.
Ratten didn’t come right out and say it, but his senior players were to blame for a really poor season. Deans can say the same thing about the Bledisloe series, now a decade long, that started well before Deans’ watch.
Player responsibility totally rests with the players. It’s as simple as that. No coach is responsible for players bombing elementary fundamentals of either code.
But last night on the Rugby Club, reinjured Wallaby winger Drew Mitchell was quick to refute any lack of character or passion among his team-mates.
“Clearly we are of the opinion we are not where we need to be at, but that sort of thing (criticising character and passion) really upsets not only myself, but probably the team as well”.
Probably?
Mitchell went on: “Our character couldn’t be questioned at the weekend. Clearly some of our execution and perhaps our strategies could be questioned, but the boys absolutely put everything out there and gave themselves to the jersey”.
Strategies questioned? Deans’ fault?
Like Ratten, Mitchell is a class act. But if he’s right, why did the majority of Wallabies look so disinterested for most of the 80 minutes?
Perception can be dangerous, if wrong.
But despite what Mitchell said, a poor perception is what the Wallabies gave the 50,000-odd crowd at Eden Park and the millions of television viewers around the world.
The real truth is these All Blacks are not one of the greatest sides of all time. But they are a minimum 20-point better side than any other nation at the moment.
That doesn’t make them unbeatable.
But the Wallabies won’t ever beat them by kicking away prize possession, and kicking poorly at that, missing tackles, passing the ball behind supports, and giving away bone-headed penalties when the men-in-black have sharpshooters like Dan Carter and Aaron Cruden on duty.
That’s rugby suicide.
Does that show character and passion?
Hardly.
Next up in the Rugby Championship are the Boks in Perth tomorrow week. The Wallabies have beaten them in five of their last six meetings:
* Won 30-13 at Suncorp in July 2010.
* Lost 44-31 at Loftus in September 2010.
* Won 41-39 at Bloemfontein in September 2010.
* Won 39-20 at Sydney in July 2011.
* Won 14-9 at Durban in August 2011.
* And won 11-9 at Wellington in October 2011.
A week later, it’s the Pumas at Skilled Park for the first time since 2002 when the Wallabies won 17-6 and 24-9 away and home respectively under the coaching of Eddie Jones.
Those games have no bearing on that Gold Coast clash-to-be, but the 16-all draw against the Boks last weekend at Mendoza was very significant.
So let’s reserve judgment on the Wallabies’ character and passion until after the international against the Pumas.
A loss to either side would demand wholesale sackings because the Wallabies would have conclusively proved they have lost the character and passion required to wear the coveted gold jersey.
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August 31st 2012 @ 5:49am
Badjack said | August 31st 2012 @ 5:49am | Report comment
Mitchell is a class act, is he?, and are his team mates?, if he and they cannot accept responsibility for their performance and in denial about their attitude and quick to place the blame on strategies, that would tell me there is a flaw somewhere in the mix. Instead of pulling out the tackling bags at training maybe they need to pull out some mirrors for the players.
August 31st 2012 @ 6:21am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:21am | Report comment
losing to argentina wouldnt be an embarrassment. argentina have beaten better teams than the current wallabies squad. cant beieve the disrespect aus media have for the puma’s. of all the teams in “tier 2″ argentina are the ones with the most potential to beat any given tier1 side.
wb’s made this exact same mistake with samoa (still love saying that GO SAMOA!!) and now are going to repeat it with the argies.
August 31st 2012 @ 6:35am
WQ said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:35am | Report comment
Agree mania, the Argies are a force to be reckoned with. They are the only Team, other than France in the final, that rattled the All Blacks throughout the RWC2011, albeit only for about 60 mins.
They are incredibly passionate about proving to the world that they belong in the Rugby Championship and will not just be training runs for the big 3.
August 31st 2012 @ 6:42am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:42am | Report comment
wq – probably sacrilegious to say this but the sooner the AB’s lose to the puma’s the better. means no presuure of maintaining an unbeaten record and it would scare the hell outta the wb’s and boks. puma’s would be instilled with massive belief and could easily revolutionise rugby and take ti to the next level
August 31st 2012 @ 6:48am
WQ said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
I hear what you are saying mania, but how about we just settle for them beating the Sprinboks and the Wallabies for now!
August 31st 2012 @ 6:56am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:56am | Report comment
wq – as bad as it would be for the kiwi public can u imagine how the rest of the rugby world would be shaking in its boots to face the puma’s?! i reckon (like the 1995 WC) AB’s losing would do more good than bad. and tbh, i’ve always liked the argies. they’re passionate, technical and play an awesome brand of rugby that deserves more accolade than it currently gets.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:13am
WQ said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:13am | Report comment
I love the Argies as well mania, probably my favorite Team behind the All Blacks.
Two things about them I like:
1 – They are incredibly passionate about playing Rugby for their Country
2 – The Sky Blue and White Hooped Jersey that they do not move away from
August 31st 2012 @ 8:16am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:16am | Report comment
fully agree WQ – argies and samoa are the teams i support with my heart. AB’s the team i support with my head and gut feeling.
argies i love their forward pack and watching old school skilled forwards scrummaging it out.
August 31st 2012 @ 6:54am
Badjack said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
wq if the Pumas beat the AB’s watch the AB fans go off. They will make what the Aussie Roar posters post look like they love the current Wallabies and think Deans is the new Messiah. The backlash will be beautiful to watch.
August 31st 2012 @ 6:56am
WQ said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:56am | Report comment
You are right about that Badjack, we All Black fans have very high expectations of our Team
August 31st 2012 @ 7:00am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:00am | Report comment
wouldnt be that bad and kiwi rugby fans will need to get over it. puma’s are a great team and its only a metter of time before they’re ranked in the top 3…at aus expense
August 31st 2012 @ 11:36am
atlas said | August 31st 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
i disagree; you may like to think that, very sporting of you – a pre-emptive gloat?
think the expectations, and public response, have changed greatly in the last 5 or so years; the catastrophe of a loss will generate a little media hype, think back to last year’s tri-nations losses, hardly a disaster of any scale. Despite what some might like to wish/think, no public outcry or executions; think people are satisfied with that continuing 85% win rate, that’s losing about one in six. On that basis, no one else comes close these days.
August 31st 2012 @ 12:32pm
Mr Red said | August 31st 2012 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Agree with Badjack. I always argued that if the AB lost the Cup in NZ the players would be treated with a Pakistani type cricket team reception. A warm welcome home to an towering inferno. Fortunately for the ABs and their faithful sheep it never transpired.
August 31st 2012 @ 7:42am
Dez said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:42am | Report comment
Mania, ABs to losing to the Argies this year will not be TOTALLY great for rugby. The ABs play a fast-paced game plan with an attacking frame of mind. Compare that to the European-type forward orientated game plan of the Argies. It will be a backward step for rugby.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:01am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
no it wouldnt dez. AB’s do not have the the only winning style of rugby. the rugby world needs to be reminded that there are other ways of playing than just running rugby. AB’s have been victims of this very often believing the hype that their style is superior and then get handed a hiding from some team playing a different game plan but executing it with better team work.
running rugby is more fun but it isnt the be all and end all.
puma’s winning would shake the rugby world up. i’d enjoy seeing that.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:17am
WQ said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
mania, that is the real beauty of Rugby, it can be won with a myriad of differing tactics depending on the strengths your individual Team possesses.
This is what is missing in the Wallaby camp right now, instead of playing to their strengths they are trying to play like the All Blacks!
August 31st 2012 @ 8:22am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
agree WQ. what i see lacking in the wb’s is self belief and team spirit. by team spirit i mean each of them with the mentality “i got your back bro” . they seem disjointed and just not there for each other
August 31st 2012 @ 9:13pm
liam said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:13pm | Report comment
ditto it would be good to have ireland get up top beat the ABs, would give them a shot of confidence and get the monkey off the back of both teams.
August 31st 2012 @ 6:43am
Sneaky Samurai said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:43am | Report comment
Hear hear Mania,
Caught a bit of the Argies/Boks game.
Damn they played well. No shame losing to them when they play like that.
If only the Wallabies forwards could link like the Argentinian forwards did…
August 31st 2012 @ 6:58am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 6:58am | Report comment
yeah samurai – i’ve been saying it for awhile since the RC was confirmed. aus super sides should asap start signing up puma forwards, esp front rows. they should’ve done this a couple years ago when rebels were allowed in. not too late.
i hope NZ sides sign up some argies. they’re passion and love for the game would fit nicely into the NZ culture.
August 31st 2012 @ 7:01am
Badjack said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:01am | Report comment
That would certainly improve the Aust Super sides but would it improve the Wallabies?
August 31st 2012 @ 7:06am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:06am | Report comment
badjack – i’m out of ideas on how to fix the wallabies. give me a break i came up with the plan for your super franchises.
August 31st 2012 @ 7:18am
Badjack said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:18am | Report comment
Mania……. and you are not on your Pat Malone about ideas or lack of to fix the Wallas. Your franchise solution is is well thought out, some might say brilliant, and your ‘future’ AB coaches would forever be in debt to you. (said with a smile on my face) Maybe some Argie forwards to come in as forward coaches at the franchises.
August 31st 2012 @ 7:52am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
badjack – aus have to def tap into what the puma’s have to offer. i would like to see the the aus front rows take a bit of pride in being a front rower. i dont see that in aus rugby. seems the only players that become front rows are those that cant play any other position. argentinians can teach that pride as their front row is revered and argentine rugby.
August 31st 2012 @ 7:59am
Justin2 said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
Mania that is merely a thought with no basis in fact.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:03am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
j2 – which part has no basis in fact? i know they both do but which one has piqued your reply?
the comment about front rows in aus going to the fat kid that cant play anywhere else or the bit that argentines would be able to offer something to aus rugby?
August 31st 2012 @ 8:07am
Justin2 said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Mania – agree that nearly all teams including the ABs can learn from the pumas scrum. The line about no pride in our front row pisses me off. It’s a cheap shot with no basis in fact…
August 31st 2012 @ 8:29am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
just an observation j2 – what i see when wb’s frontrow get dominated they hang their heads. no one is trying to keep them together and patting each other on the back and trying to fire them up for the next scrum. they just capitulate and it usually ends up getting worse.
my observation about the quality of the front rows is just that, an observation/opinion, but to me it seems that all your athletes play in positions other than front row. alexander, robinson, dunning all seem like fat kids that couldnt make it in other positions so defaulted to prop.
August 31st 2012 @ 10:18am
allblackfan said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
badjack, Aust had access to two.
Patricio Noriega’s now in France and what is Topo Rodriquez doing these days?
August 31st 2012 @ 9:15pm
liam said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:15pm | Report comment
it doesnt help when argie and AB, SA props look like cavemen and wallabie props look like fat babies.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:19pm
garth said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:19pm | Report comment
Aussies better off signing Argie forward coaches instead.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:26am
Badjack said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
justin2……..have good look at our front row, one of them looks like he is a snowman taken straight off someones front lawn, others look and run like they are pumped on steroids or whatever so they can look like a front rower, and the others who are naturally built for the job, compared to their AB counterparts, play like they come from very ‘gentle’ stock.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:31am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
badjack “with the exception of one with Island heritage” if thats kepu your on about its because he comes from NZ where props are considered rugby gold.but agree about the others. stayPuft marshmallow men in body and attitude
August 31st 2012 @ 9:04am
Hoy said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Kepu started at 8 didn’t he?
August 31st 2012 @ 10:35am
Justin2 said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:35am | Report comment
Exactly, in fact I think it may have been Mike Cron who said become a prop, could be wrong there though. His technique is ok but isn’t great yet.
August 31st 2012 @ 10:33am
Justin2 said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Robinson is unfit no question, nothing wrong with the physique of the others really.
Some of this is just perpetuating myths to suit an argument.
August 31st 2012 @ 11:57am
Mango Jack said | August 31st 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
I think I’ve found the secret to the Argies success.
http://gizmodo.com/vending/
August 31st 2012 @ 12:02pm
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
awesome vending machine
tho i’d like to point out that these were mainly shoulder charges and only twice where tacklers goign in bound
August 31st 2012 @ 12:28pm
Mango Jack said | August 31st 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Yeah, probably more at home at the Bulldogs NRL club
August 31st 2012 @ 7:01am
sheek said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:01am | Report comment
Good morning David,
The dominance of the All Blacks isn’t a new thing as we know.
Ever since they first played international rugby back in 1903, New Zealand have been along with South Africa, one of the two greatest rugby nations on earth.
And since the advent of professionalism, they have drawn away even from the Springboks. Their year-in, year-out dominance is tremendously admirable.And envious.
This is why Graham Henry was asked to coach Wales & the Lions, Steve Hanson Wales, Warren Gatland Ireland, Wales & Lions, & Robbie Deans the Wallabies. And so forth.
It seems everyone wants to tap into what makes the All Blacks & New Zealand rugby players generally, so good.
I was flicking through Bob Templeton’s book (Tempo) last night on other matters, & I cam across this gem of an insight from Mark Loane. In complimenting Tempo’s ability to develop players, Loane said this:
“In New Zealand everyone knows the language of rugby, in Australia not so” (p.245).
Such a brief, simple sentence, & yet so profound. I often chastize fellow Aussie Roarers for being shallow, & looking in the wrong places for faults or solutions.
Our collective rugby ignorance (of Aussies) runs deep. It partly, or wholly explains why the Wallabies have won barely a quarter of our historical matches against the ABs & why after a century & more of competition against them, we still struggle.
We Aussies should stop posturing about our own self-importance, & just absorb everything we can from our Kiwi cousins, not only from how to play the game, but their strict devotion to basics & developing structures that allow the potential to grow.
August 31st 2012 @ 7:51am
Rabbitz said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:51am | Report comment
Deaf ears, that is what your words will fall on.
You are right, of course, but it will matter little to those who have swallowed their own marketing spin.
A case in point – If Mitchell believes half of what he said about passion and playing for the jersey then, I am afraid that, the Wallabies will be forever second rate.
In fact, I believe that the lack of passion goes back before Deans, back when Gregan was accused of lacking passion and replied with his statement that professionals do not need passion. Although they won’t say it in public, it is my belief that the sentiment that Gregan espoused still runs deep.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:04am
David Lord said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Rabbitz, you have the Wallabies on a pedestal at second rate. Keep playing without passion and plain common sense and they’ll be fourth rate at best by the end of the RC behind the ABs, Boks, and Pumas.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:10am
mania said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
i predict that aus arent going to win any games vs the puma’s this RC. there i said it. i’m sorry but it had to be said based on the current showing of the wb’s
August 31st 2012 @ 9:05am
Chris of Vic said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Morning David Sheek and Rabbitz,
I didn’t catch the Rugy Club last night, but I think Mitchell and others are getting passion and basics mixed up. Watch the Kiwi’s, it’s not the flashy plays that win them the matches, it’s catching, passing, tackling and rucking that win them the matches, all well drilled all executed. When the AB’s lose the ball, it’s not from a flashy play but from poor execution of the simple things! The WB’s don’t execute the simple regularly.
While we’re using Aus Rules as an example, look no further than Geelong. Are they a great side (best for past 5 years and 3 premierships) because they play fancy football…. NO. Mark Thompson (previous coach) decided that Geelong would ‘own’ the middle of the field, no going the long way round, no switches, or mucking around on the wings. He took a bunch of talented players and drilled them in kicking and handpassing and increased their fitness until they could all hit a man on the chest with a kick from 25m-50m while running at top speed. These basic skills executed to well allowed them to own the territory, that creates confidence and the ability to implement tactics.
The Wallabies display none of these traits, KB, DM, and Higgers are currently running around with a spare tyre on their gut, the Waratah players all look too big, thus not enough in the tank and the team’s basic skills across the board are all poor. I heard JOC say last year that once you are at Wallaby level there is not much a coach can teach you regarding basic skills, if that is the attitude in the team then we are eternally stuffed.
August 31st 2012 @ 10:02am
Rabbitz said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Chris,
You will get no argument from me regarding the basics. Game after game of poor execution of the simple things, and they have the hide to blame the strategy and kow-tow to the opposition as excuses.
Makes it hard to get excited about supporting them…
August 31st 2012 @ 8:26pm
garth said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:26pm | Report comment
That attitude certainly explains the looks on Deans & co’s faces last weekend. The complete disbelief that their players are obviously not listening to instruction.
August 31st 2012 @ 9:59am
Rabbitz said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
David,
Truer words are hard to find.
August 31st 2012 @ 10:02am
rl said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
David, I just don’t think you, I or anyone outside the team can genuinely question their pride and passion. Its just so subjective, how can you possibly know just based on observation? On my observation they were hitting the contests hard in the first 20 minutes last week. But it all comes apart because of a p*ss-poor game plan (again) and p*ss-poor execution (again) of that p*ss-poor game plan.
So I do agree with you on the common sense issue. A passionate and committed team that has a crap game plan (and executes it poorly) is in trouble.
BTW – while I don’t agree with questioning their passion, if Mitchell and co are hearing it, then good! Hopefully they will be nice and p*ssed off as a result.
August 31st 2012 @ 10:05am
Rabbitz said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
rl,
I don’t know that we can say it is a p*ss poor game plan.
They have never shown us what is possible because they keep falling down with the simple, required elements – passing, catching, tackling, rucking, scrummaging.
We just don’t know if the plan will work because they have never given it a hope through their ineptitude.
August 31st 2012 @ 10:38am
Justin2 said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Untrue, check the Welsh series, a terrible game plan where we scraped through purely on some Jone ground advantage and Wales were under done
August 31st 2012 @ 11:24am
rl said | August 31st 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Ok Rabs, I can accept your defence of the game plan. But then it raises the issue of p*ss-poor selection policy. You show loyalty to players who are unfit and/or out of form, they then reward that loyalty by consistently showing they can’t execute your game plan, AND don’t even execute the basics to boot – why persist with them? There’s a good half dozen Brumbies players in good form who have shown they can do all those things but I can only presume don’t get a look in because they don’t sparkle enough in the sunlight.
I still reckon though that the WBs haven’t been that inept of late. The first 20mins or so last week was solid – the forwards (incl. Higgers and Dennis) were hitting rucks and mauls hard, cleaning out, getting numbers to the breakdown and winning good front-foot ball. My Kiwi mates were sitting there just waiting for that hard work to be capped off by the type of decisive backline incision we were once famous for (and I’m talking in recent years, not living memory). Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Limited players – maybe. Limited plan – definately.
August 31st 2012 @ 12:33pm
Rabbitz said | August 31st 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
RL,
I guess we are actually arguing along the same lines. I am not defending Deans, the strategy or the game plan.
When there is no pressure, the Wallabies seem to handle the basic skills. (I agree the forwards are, in fact, a vast improvement over recent times).
When it comes down to the crunch, when the pressure is on the skills seem to desert them. I see it as a lack of ingrained ability in those basics. They are not autonomic, the thought patterns, vision and motor skills are not subconsciously there. It seems, especially the backs at the ruck area, need to think and then act, for if they just react the pass goes wide, they drop the ball or they fail to see the gap.
August 31st 2012 @ 10:10am
Riccardo said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
“Aaahh…the serenity…”
Nice elucidation Sheek.
Sensible post and this mantra can be adopted WITHIN the win at all costs psyche that is the Australian way.
August 31st 2012 @ 7:05am
Badjack said | August 31st 2012 @ 7:05am | Report comment
Sheek.. another well reasoned post. A doff of the cap to you.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:41am
Christo the Daddyo said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
+1
Would be nice if the author of this article took a leaf out of sheek’s book instead of the usual “Wallabies are crap and coach has to go” rubbish that seems to be dished up far too regularly…
August 31st 2012 @ 10:04am
rl said | August 31st 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
You’re right about the first part – the Wallabies aren’t crap. And I’m not suggesting Dingo is a crap coach – I just don’t think he’s the right coach for the WBs anymore. Like Ratten, whatever message he’s selling, the players aren’t buying it anymore.
August 31st 2012 @ 8:38am
ohtani's jacket said | August 31st 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
“So let’s reserve judgment on the Wallabies’ character and passion until after the international against the Pumas.”
I don’t get it. You’ve just spent an entire article passing judgement on the Wallabies’ character and passion, just as you’ve been doing for the past three weeks.
August 31st 2012 @ 9:13am
Harry said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Some contradictory stuff there. So David is it the senior players most at fault then? Who are these senior players? I’m asuming Robinson, Moore, Sharpe, Genia, Barnes, AAC … and Cooper and Beale. Don’t think you can tar them all with the same brush. A guy like Stephen Moore does a really good job trying to maximise his potential, and Sharpe has the experience to get the best out of himself. SOme of the other players though …
Beale clearly is in need of guidance – he has proved incapable of the necessary self-discipline to maintain himself in the shape needed for a professional athlete.
Other players – Benn Robinson in particular – are also not in as good a shape as they could be. Again, pretty basic self-discipline nvolved here. These guys love to parrott wanky slogans like “be the best you can” yet they turn up unfit, unskilled and unprepared; and clearly some of them hit the booze too much.
The brutal facts of the matter are Wallaby players earn a pretty good living, and have the invcentive of heading to France and Japan to earn an even easier living. They are led by a coach who is not an Australian and is paid extremely handsomely and has been given free reign by his boss (JON).
The outcome is mediocrity.
Little chance of that changing anytime soon until some hard reforms are made.
August 31st 2012 @ 9:18am
Gary Russell-Sharam said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
A pertinent few words Sheek. It would seem that the Wallabies do lack a bit of fire in the belly and the slapping of backs etc at the end of games V ABs does give a strange look.
However I do not hold that the players have all the responsibility for the higher values that should be within the National side. A good coach instills values within the team, he doesn’t tolerate mediocrity he strives for and demands excellence within the team.
Deans seems to (from listening to him for the last 5 years) demand nothing much from his charges. He has talked endlessly about building to a future and about playing what’s in front of you, and about they’re nearly there, and they tried hard, etc etc.
Where does this rhetoric end and some action begin.
I happened some years ago to have had the pleasure of the late Roy Prosser coach my club’s side. Roy was (as most would know) a very affable man but he demanded excellence from his players, they too demanded leadership and direction from him which he gave in abundance.
Its history now that Roy in 1977 took a young brash side to a Brisbane premiership. The players believed in him the would have done anything for their coach. Roy instilled this sense of pride and competitiveness into these players so they could achieve to their highest level.
Sadly IMO I would suggest that Deans does not instill this sense of pride and competitiveness into the current Wallaby players.
So David your post as usual deflects blame to a degree away from Deans like a lot of similar posts, and sheets blame basically on the players.
I believe that some responsibility should be leveled at the players but the buck stops with the coach. As in all other sports if the team does not perform you replace the person responsible for the team. Just look at Carlton’s Brett Ratten – Eel’s Steven Kearny to name just a couple.
I think it is inevitable that Deans will be replaced at some time in the near future, I would rather it be sooner so as to bed in another coach before the Lions tour. That he is still in the job is entirely reliant on the ego of JON. I say this without malice as I have seen coaches come and go over 40+ years and there is always drama and intrigue surrounding these departures and appointments.
But I’m very tired of the spin and the rhetoric that surrounds the Dean’s camp, in the initial period I just wanted him to succeed but after 5 years of waiting for something to happen I’ve lost patience with the man.
August 31st 2012 @ 9:24am
Badjack said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
GRS……..and sadly when you allow the players off the hook they will say “thank you very much” and continue to blame the strategies and whatever else someone says about the coach not being up to it.
August 31st 2012 @ 9:31am
Harry said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Great team that Wests side of 1977 – Geoff Wessling the captain, think Higginbotham’s dad also played, or was that a side in the early 80′s. Prosser was a great coach.
Agree with your point. Tired of seeing the usual apologists for Deans out in force this week and really hate the “well they are the All Blacks so we’ve got no chance of beaing them”.
Re Bob Templeton, the great man deliberately aspired to model Queensland rugby on the (then) world leading characteristics of Welsh rugby – he said he wanted to create a “mini-principality”. Well he suceeded, and of course the key in doing so was the regular contact with New Zealand sides – always admired and respected when playing them and a lot to learn from them, but NEVER kowtowing and taking being 2nd rate for granted – like we’ve seen a huge outpouring off this week.
That important diofference is being lost.
August 31st 2012 @ 9:19am
Harry said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
What the very interesting Rugby Club program last night did reveal was the clear lack of confidence among the players about the Wallabies game plan, tactics and directions. Drew Mitchell is an intelligent fella and chose his words carefully, but it was pretty clear that the “playing group” and the “coaching group” were not in harmony.
August 31st 2012 @ 9:35am
Badjack said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
So there’s the answer to the problems. What’s that saying, lunatics running the asylum, or in rugby parlance, player power,. You are telling us that our players don’t like the game plans, tactics and directions so sack the boss. Try doing that in a large national business and see who keeps his job. If you want a rugby example look no further than the Hurricanes last year. Some senior players tried the player power thingo, well bingo, NZRL backed the coach, disgruntled players got the arse. This year Hurricanes display remarkable improvement, the franchises the disgrunts went to were mediocre at best.
August 31st 2012 @ 1:00pm
Justin2 said | August 31st 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
How long do you give the coach? After 5 years it is understandable that the players may be losing their belief when its clear things are not working.
You can run the business analogy, but this is sport and if you have played it and been under a coach that long there things will bubble to the surface.
August 31st 2012 @ 9:47am
Cody said | August 31st 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Deans has not progressed the Wallabies in any aspect of their game over the last 4 years. A lost period of mediocrity. Clean out ASAP.