Boks Test a moment of truth for Deans and the Wallabies
By Spiro Zavos, 3 Sep 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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There reaches a point in a discussion about the merits or otherwise of a coach of a national side like the Wallabies that a point of no return is reached. And that point has been reached by Robbie Deans and his Wallabies.
I would expect that his bosses, the ARU, expect or demand that three of the next Rugby Championship matches end with victories to the Wallabies.
The Wallabies, for all practical purposes, must defeat the Springboks and the Pumas here in Australia and one (or both hopefully) of these sides on their home grounds.
Saturday’s Test at Perth is a moment of truth for Deans and many of the current Wallabies. A loss will expose them to the sharp edge of the axe.
The ARU has scheduled this crucial Test for Perth, which does not really help the Wallabies. The Springboks in fact have won three out of their six Tests against the Wallabies at Perth.
The Springboks have the advantage of having their travel being greatly reduced while that of the Wallabies has been greatly increased. There is also a large South African community in Perth.
It, therefore, makes commercial sense to play the Springboks in a city where the local numbers will be increased significantly by ex-pats.
But it needs to remembered, before Roarers launch a massive attack on the ARU about the venue, the home ground advantage will still be retained by the Wallabies. Perth is an Australian city, not a South African city. The vast majority of spectators will be supporting the Wallabies.
Moreover, the likely dry and fast conditions at Perth should help the fast game the Wallabies will want to play against the Springboks.
The essential argument against Deans has been the lack of success against the All Blacks. The Sydney Morning Herald ran some statistics on this, and other matters, recently. They showed that Deans was won three of 17 Tests against the All Blacks for a 17 per cent winning record. John Connolly was one out of five (20 per cent). And Eddie Jones was three out of nine (33 per cent).
These statistics don’t reveal the whole truth. Like a bikini, what they reveal is interesting and what they conceal is vital. Jones inherited from the master coach Rod Macqueen the most successful Wallabies side ever. The team had every trophy in the cabinet which Jones set about losing. The wins against the All Blacks were early on in his stint as Wallaby coach when the Macqueen influence was still strong.
Deans inherited a team from John Connolly that was becoming less and less competitive against the All Blacks. It was a team, too, that still had some of the stellar players from the Macqueen era. But Connolly did very little to encourage new talent, or regrowth for the Wallabies.
Connolly left Deans a team that was fractured, with senior players having too much power off the field and exhibiting too little power on it. It was an old team with few newcomers being groomed to step up into the big roles on the field.
Deans brought in 30 or so new players in his first couple of years. As the Wallaby coach he has played 52 players in Bledisloe Cup matches over the 54 the All Blacks have played in the same years.
Paul Cully, a Roar expert, wrote an interesting article in the SMH last week on the obvious lack of size of the Wallaby backs. Deans has tried to do something about this, with his promotion of Pat McCabe during the 2011 Rugby World Cup tournament. He was roundly derided by his critics. Yet McCabe, until he was injured, was looking like the best and toughest inside centre Australia has fielded for some time.
Without McCabe, Deans has been forced to select centres who are each about 15kgs lighter than their New Zealand counterparts. One of the oldest and truest adages in sport is this: a good big man will always beat a good small man.
As Cully points out, Macqueen, either through good management or luck, was able to field very big centres like Daniel Herbert (a very under-rated player), Joe Roff and Stirling Mortlock. Even one of these players would make a big difference to the current Wallabies.
A point not often made is that the Macqueen golden era was a period in Australian rugby when the Brumbies (which he created) were strong, along with the Waratahs and the Reds.
There is no doubt, aside from the Reds with their spectacular Super Rugby victory in 2011, that some of the other franchises (especially the Waratahs who should be a rugby powerhouse in Australia) haven’t really been pulling their weight in producing champions for the national team.
The Brumbies, admittedly, were full of heart and spirit this year, after some years of decline. The Wallabies have gained Michael Hooper out of their revival. But there have not been enough Hoopers coming through the ranks to revitalise the Wallabies
The Super Rugby franchises need to produce more Hoopers to rejuvenate the Wallabies. The reality is, though, that most of the young players coming through the Super Rugby franchises lack basic skills in catching, running, kicking and tackling. All this is impacting on the performance of the Wallabies now and will for years to come (no matter who the coach is), if not addressed as a matter of urgency.
As a matter of interest, what do the Super Rugby players do during their training periods? They don’t seem to practice skills.
The Wallabies might be suffering from the blasting they have received from the All Blacks. But hopefully some lessons have been learnt, among them don’t just kick away the ball without chasing hard to contest the possession of it.
Playing against such a good (great?) All Blacks side, too, should have the effect of dragging up the performance of the Wallabies, if they take the correct lessons on board.
They are playing a Springboks side that is too old, too slow, too predictable in its play and too reliant on Morne Steyn kicking every penalty he gets the chance to boot over. Under the new coach and former Bulls coach Heyneke Meyer, the Springboks have gone back to the future, with the Bulls kicking and brute power and strength game.
In five Tests this season, three have been won and two drawn by the Springboks. The public and the pundits are already calling for Meyer’s head, especially after the 16 -16 draw against the Pumas at Mendoza, a Test the Pumas should have really won.
There are questions about the lack of a game plan, other than kick, chase and hope.
To my mind, the Springboks are at their most vulnerable right now. A charged up Wallaby side, tempered by the fire of the All Blacks, will – let’s hope – redeem themselves by taking the game to the visitors and running them off the field.
This isn’t just idle or naive thinking. One of the strengths of the Wallabies under Deans has been their ability to win against the Springboks, at home and away.
Another such victory at Perth on Saturday will do a lot to improve the morale of the Wallabies – and their supporters, who are struggling to keep the faith in their team.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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September 3rd 2012 @ 6:55am
mania said | September 3rd 2012 @ 6:55am | Report comment
ricardLoe predicted that aus would only win 1 game this RC
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:36am
Nick Cross said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
He might be wrong – they haven’t won any yet.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:12am
Vic said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
If Australia loses, then the ARFU should send Deans back to NZ.
In Deans’ defence, this is a lousy crop of Aussie players. As an example you have Quade Cooper who is this supposed superstar and he makes under 12 errors every match. You cannot blame the coach for that.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:39am
Markus said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
I initially read your comment as Cooper makes less than 12 errors every match, and was going to defend him on the basis that that would put him ahead of two-thirds of the current team.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:55am
Jokerman said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
I have to agree, Australia miss the big sized centre in the likes of Mortlock, Daniel Herbert. They are now small and zippy relative to other sides, but need that blend of weight and size to make it balanced. Daniel Herbert, from memory was in the style of Danie Gerber. South African center in the 80′s.
I do wonder if Deans let Mortlock go too early. Deans does have a weakness of doing that. The transistion from old to new. The All Blacks perfected it this year.
September 4th 2012 @ 4:16pm
JIM said | September 4th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
yes a good big player is better than a good small player, but I think a big part of it is attitude, technique and ability to play well together. PLayers like Horan, Little, Herbert and mortlock often played aginst bigger opponents but had the combination of power and skill to get it done. Horan was only little and Mike Harris is about the same size as Dan Herbert. Yes Mortlock was a bit bigger but even as a younger, lighter player his capacity was more about running good lines with intensity and having players inside him, who could hit him at speed.
At the end of the day 5kgs isnt going to make the difference. You need to run the right line, the ball needs to hit the mark and you need enough other activity to have the defence in two minds. It is how you teach under 12s. it is how the Reds made a heap of line breaks last year. But Deans seems to have forgotten the basics.
September 3rd 2012 @ 7:11am
ohtani's jacket said | September 3rd 2012 @ 7:11am | Report comment
Spiro you have long plagiarised the ideas of Roar commentators (behaviour I could never understand from a former English teacher), but to steal the bikini joke and not use it in a humourous way beggars belief!
Eddie Jones’ record against the All Blacks was 5 from 11, a healthy 45.5% compared to Deans. The Wallabies beat the All Blacks in each of Jones first four years and even in his last year were more competitive at Eden Park losing 34-24, four tries apiece. Given that Jones coached the Wallabies to Bledisloe Cup victories, a Tri-Nations title and a World Cup final where they knocked New Zealand out of the tournament and the fact that he used to get under New Zealand rugby fans skins in a way no one in the current Wallaby camp can I would lay off the comparisons to Deans as it doesn’t make Robbie look good. It’s like comparing Genia with Gregan.
Connolly’s sides were more competitive with the All Blacks than Deans’ have been. The 2006 Brisbane test? The Eden Park test that followed? The victory in Melbourne in 2007 and the tight Bledisloe decider in the rain at Eden Park? You can argue that Jones and Connolly had better players, but in their away performances in particular (esp at Eden Park) were so much stronger than the current lot.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:19am
mick-e said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Jacket.
Eddie Jones, like Connolly, was an arch conservative. Not surprising if you like one Jacket you would like the other I guess.
Eddie Jones had the great John Eales for his early tenure, which made him look much better than he really was. To compare Eddie Jones with Gregan is a joke. Jones had the unique advantage of contesting a RWC on home soil but just didn’t cut the mustard. His selections slewed all over the place before the RWC and the Kiwis put 50 points on us. When he finally got most of his selections right we beat the Kiwis but never looked a realistic chance against the English.
Jones stacked his backline with big name ex-leaguies with the inexperienced Matt Rogers at fullback which backfired badly.
Jones is also closely identifed with the dreadful Dunning-Baxter period when our front row was smashed all round the world and pilloried in the Kiwi and English press. He had his chance to select a very good prop in Greg Holmes, who might have stopped the rot, but selected him for one game, praised him and then dumped him for dreadful Dunning again. What a joke.
I notice you conveniently overlook the fact Jones was fired after leading the Wallabies on one of the most disastrous end of year tours to the UK ever undertaken. Eight losses out of nine matches I think. As for Connolly he provided Deans with a train wreck after 18 months of “going nowhere conservatism” and our worst ever equal RWC result.
You can dress statistics up anyway you like. What you cannot change is that Deans, despite his mistakes, has given a wide range of players a crack and Connolly and Jones could never rise above the morass of deep conservatism..
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:08am
ohtani's jacket said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
Jones was fired because he was judged on his merits, not like this navel gazing that goes on with Deans. If Deans were held to the same standards Jones was he would’ve been fired at the end of 2009.
The most amusing thing about this Deans is better than Jones and Connolly revisionist BS is that I was on the Roar in 2007 when Aussie journos, ex-Wallaby talking heads and Spiro himself were going through the same process of talking up Connolly’s Wallabies pre-World Cup. Spiro even lapses into calling Connolly’s team a great side when it suits him in potshots at the English.
The Wallabies under Gregan with Jones and Connolly coaching were tougher, smarter, harder opponents for the All Blacks than the Robbie Deans Wallabies who are child’s play.
September 3rd 2012 @ 2:37pm
Jiggles said | September 3rd 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
Connolly did far more than Deans in a shorter time frame, with a much poorer pack. Especially the front row.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:26am
Jerry said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Never looked a realistic chance against the English? You were tied after 80 minutes!
September 3rd 2012 @ 4:40pm
The Bush said | September 3rd 2012 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
“Eddie Jones had the great John Eales for his early tenure, which made him look much better than he really was.”
No he didn’t. Eales retired after the Tri-Nations in 2001, Jones either only took over in that Tri-nations, or at the end of year tour. In other words, he eitehr had Eales for one (1) Tri-Nations campaign, or not at all. So can’t really say that Eales made him look much better.
“To compare Eddie Jones with Gregan is a joke”
He’s not, he’s comparing Gregan and Genia – seems natural, they are both Australian scrum-halves.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:24am
Jokerman said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
The bikini…it was understated. Nothing wrong with that
September 3rd 2012 @ 3:10pm
SandBox said | September 3rd 2012 @ 3:10pm | Report comment
the Roar terms and conditions in point 2 give Spiro, and anyone else the Roar deems fit, the right to plagiarise all they want
“2. You grant us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, worldwide licence to reproduce, sub-license and deal with any material you submit to us by all means whatsoever (including, without limitation, in print and electronic format).”
September 3rd 2012 @ 7:31am
moaman said | September 3rd 2012 @ 7:31am | Report comment
I think it is a bit premature to be writing the Springboks off as ” too old, too slow, too predictable ” .They showed flashes in the series against England and are too proud a side to be less than a dangerous opponent.And “too old” is downright inaccurate.
Also,I don’t think this current Wallabies team can afford to underestimate ANY opposition.
How pointless is it really to compare coaching records from different eras? What Deans & co need to do is get their house in order.Enough of the talking and posturing.Time for action and results.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:00am
Who Needs Melon said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Bingo x 3 moaman
Bingo #1: If a side has good “kicking and brute power and strength game”, they’d be crazy not to use it. I wish WE had some of that! Key to the Boks will be leveraging their strength whilst at the same time supplementing it with some speed and unpredictability. I seem to recall us calling England too old and slow before a World Cup some years back.
Bingo #2: We have proved time and time again that we shouldn’t be talking down ANY opposition. Especially a proud nation like the Boks. Thanks Spiro!
Bingo #3: Can we please stop digging out bs statistics? Winning ratios, place on the world ladder, number of ‘world class players’ – I appreciate these are attempts to make subjective observations more objective but any rugby observer with any experience can tell watching the Wallabies that it’s NOT a team on the rise at the moment.
September 3rd 2012 @ 2:34pm
biltongbek said | September 3rd 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Spiro, please explain the “cliche” too old?
Jean de Villiers is 31, the oldest, the next oldest is Liebenberg at 30, and he is there due to injuries.
Of the likely matchday 22 there will be 8 players aged 25 and under?
September 3rd 2012 @ 7:33am
Darwin Stubbie said | September 3rd 2012 @ 7:33am | Report comment
Too many dud SR teams providing numerous spots for dud players with little incentive to up their average skill base … It could be argued Macqueen and Jones benefited from the condensing of talent into 3 squads – which provided an environment where there was competition for spots …. Now there’s so many spots that the franchises are full of current or future journeymen … That a player such as Huxley was still getting a gig last season speaks volumes
From the W/cup onward Deans has decided to travel down the less expansive gameplan for the Wallabies – surely it’s folly to expect to them break out an attacking, running style – this could be a dour, error ridden scrap …. With team that has a bit more confidence getting home
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:51am
Train Without A Station said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
DS,
Under Conolly, there were 4 franchises. He took over the same year the Force began. Also ease up on Huxley, you’re journeyman was a very servicable back up fullback for the Wallabies when Latham was injured in 2007.
Also Spiro, you fail to mention that under Knuckles, players like Julian Huxley, Cameron Shepherd, Benn Robinson (Current 1st choice wallaby), Digby Ioane (Current 1st choice wallaby), Berrick Barnes (Former wallaby vice captain, current 1st choice squad member), James Horwill (Current 1st choice Wallaby captain), Wycliff Palu (Current 1st choice wallaby when fit), Rodney Blake and Guy Shepherdson all debuted. So you can’t accuse him of not giving new talent opportunities. Knuckles debuted a total of 13 players in his 2 years. In addition, players like Adam Ashley Cooper stamped themselves as regular Wallabies. In total Deans debuted 16 players in his first 2 years, not a great deal more. I don’t think it can be argued that there are a great deal of players who never got a chance under Knuckles that should have. Conversely under Deans there have been a great deal who shouldn’t have (Mumm, Ma’afu, etc.). In addition, considering the Super Rugby hype over players like O’Conner, Pocock and Beale (2007 ARC player of the tournament), I imagine under any coach they would have prevailed.
Funny how one guy, who kept the older guys because the talent coming through wasn’t as good is considered to have prevented new blood from coming in, whilst the other who took a punt because of the limited older players worthy of their spots is considered to be the reason for new blood being found. For what it’s worth I did think that 1 of the older squad members under Connolly should have been replaced. Gregan… with Cordingly who was about 3 years younger…
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:56am
mick-e said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Train Without A Station.
Get yourself a station train because you’re off the tracks man.
Connolly was one of the most conservative, dull blokes ever to have worn the Wallaby coach’s jersey. He debuted Ioane, only to drop him immediately afterwards, despite the winger having shown an incredible turn of pace and we didnt see Digby really till Deans resurrected him. Several years of this hugely talented player were lost because of Connollly’s dithering.
Ditto Rodzilla Blake. Made a great debut against the English and then Connolly dropped him shortly afterwards and Rodzilla was forced overseas and lost to Aussie rugby for several crucial years. Meanwhile Connolly and Foley inflicted two of the worst props in our history in Dunning and Baxter on us and our front row became a byword for Kiwi and English jokes. Then to add insult to injury Connolly and Foley selected Guy Sheperdson, who with Dunning, made up the infamous “telly tubby crap” (victorious English player’s words) front row smashed by the Red Roses at RWC 2007, where Connolly secured our pathetic quarter final exit.
Connolly made a concerted effort to bring back players like Ben Tune and Matthew Burke to the Wallabies when they were years past their best. It was an indictment on him as Wallaby coach that the players had to tell him they were past their best and no longer interested. And he toyed with the idea of bringing back 36-year-old Matt Cobain. No imagination whatsoever.
Connollys Wallabies also played a number of soft home tests against second string sides that made his test average look better than it should have.
Dont preach Back to the Future Connolly. He should never have got the Wallaby coach’s position ( last man standing) and his colourless, conservative era is extremely forgettable.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:16am
Justin2 said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Blake has never been able to scrum, his years in France did not reach him either,!
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:28am
mick-e said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Rodzilla got a propping position with an overseas club. Didnt see anyone rushing to contract Dunning and Baxter. Thought Japan might have been interested but no. What Blake might have done with all the attention that was lavished on Dunning and Baxter we shall never know. He couldnt have been a worse investment.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:11am
formeropenside said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
A little history: Blake went overseas in 09, I think – well into the Deans era – because the ARU would not give him a top-up. Fellow Queenslander Latham left for the same reason (and yet NSW captain Waugh kept getting an ARU top-up at the time).
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:59pm
Ben.S said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:59pm | Report comment
Actually, Dunning toyed with a contract in Biarritz, and if you’re going to make reference to Ben Tune then you might like to make reference to Deans and Dan Vickermann.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:28am
mick-e said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Rodzilla got a propping position with an overseas club. Didnt see anyone rushing to contract Dunning and Baxter. Thought Japan might have been interested but no. What Blake might have done with all the attention that was lavished on Dunning and Baxter we shall never know. He couldnt have been a worse investment.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:08am
formeropenside said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
Soft tests like Samoa and Scotland that Deans managed to lose? Like the England tour in 2010, perhaps?
Connolly should have been given the Wallaby job in 1996; in 2006 he took over a shambles and did alright. Won all his pool matches at the RWC, too.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:47am
Markus said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Agreed. The ‘still number 2 in the world’ argument may have had some merit if the losses to the ABs were not accompanied by regular losses to 2nd tier nations and second string tour sides, and record-breaking pastings by the Boks.
September 11th 2012 @ 7:47pm
bob said | September 11th 2012 @ 7:47pm | Report comment
Are we not number 2 anymore in the world?
September 3rd 2012 @ 5:03pm
Darwin Stubbie said | September 3rd 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
Re Huxley – I believe you make my point he was a serviceable back up in his prime … Yet he was still around holding down a spot in 2012
September 3rd 2012 @ 7:41am
Lloyd said | September 3rd 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
The “too old” comment makes no sense. In fact the Springboks are fielding a relatively inexperienced side.
You’d think more research would go into a piece or that you know that regardless.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:10am
stuff happens said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:10am | Report comment
It’s just a cheap jibe Lloyd.One of the many aspects of play that were exposed by NZ was Australia’s lack of pace.
As far as the ‘Boks being too slow it would be interesting to see who had the faster group of players overall . Who is faster than Habana, Mvovo & Hougaard?
September 3rd 2012 @ 7:48am
Justin2 said | September 3rd 2012 @ 7:48am | Report comment
Spiro, we can use stats anyway we like. It’s obvious to blind Freddie though that this team is playing without structure, pace, vision or smarts. They have been blown off the park in the last two tests and bumbled to a series win against Wales following a defeat to Scotland!
At no stage has this side looked good in a test match this year in reality
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:26am
DingoBob said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Sadly I have to agree and leaving players like Nick White out of the squad does not help the Walabies cause.
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:35am
Blue Blood said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Ageed. Way too many in form and fit players have been omitted for another season by Deans. No surprise just standard poor selection policy of Deans.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:35am
Dasher said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
We all thought he’d use the Wales Test series as a proving ground for at least a few new faces, but he didn’t. Players such as White, Holmes, Cummins, Shipperley, Gill, Fardy, Neville, Pyle, Mowen could have flourished with the chance.
September 3rd 2012 @ 3:16pm
Wilson said | September 3rd 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
Exactly. Just like the Spring tour should be used for blooding new talent. Not flogging the proven few. Surely Pocock, Genia, Sharpe and the like don’t need another Spring tour under their belts. Use them as they were always intended. As blooding grounds for new talent. Let the new guys rack up some caps and international experience so that we can truly see, not just speculate, about player depth and potential.
September 3rd 2012 @ 4:56pm
jeznez said | September 3rd 2012 @ 4:56pm | Report comment
Deans definitely missed a trick post the world cup. Our senior players were tired and injured after a long season and the Wallabies squad should have been much more developmental. Anyone the slightest bit injured should not have headed north to play Wales and the Baa Baas.
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:45am
Jack said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Spiro, your support for Robbie Deans is misplaced. Deans made the judgement that the Waratahs were a team is of test quality players but were very poorly coached. He staked his future on his ability to get more out of a core of players then these players had shown on the paddock for the S14 season. There is no other justification for selecting 8 Waratahs in his starting team. He has not succeeded. These players have shown pretty much what they did all season. If the coach is not accountable and the players are not accountable then who is?
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:47am
Josh said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
If Dean’s is fired because of his record against the All Blacks, this benchmark will presumably be inherited by his replacement. Given the outstanding qualities of the current All Blacks, it’s not inconceivable the losses will continue; maybe even by widening margins. What then? 12 month coaching contracts and a conga line of aspirants annually sharpening the CV’s? The ARU has to be very careful here. The wrong move and Australian rugby could be driven to crisis point.
There remains a lot of respect for Robbie Deans among rugby followers. There is no doubting his commitment to his team and the Australian rugby cause. I admire his stoicism, especially after the two recent losses to the All Blacks; losses that were clearly gut-wrenching and that would have cracked a lesser man. Deans is made of good stuff and we need a national coach who is made of good stuff.
I will take two hard fought losses with an under-strength team against the All Blacks any day, to a loss against a lesser rival when our front row was so “weak” the referee ordered uncontested scrums. To me that day was the ultimate humiliation and demonstration of systematic coaching failure.
Deans inherited a rabble of a team – of low international standing – that had been coached into the ground by mentors that wouldn’t hold a candle to Deans. Even without the dozen or more front-line players currently injured, the team that lost to the All Blacks in Auckland is light years superior to the the ‘team’ pre-Deans.
I don’t always agree with his player selection and tactical choices, but Deans has restored respect back into Wallaby rugby. We are again more than a match for the top rugby nations and especially South Africa.
World basketball would be in turmoil if national coaches were only retained on their record against the USA Dream Team. Well, currently the All Blacks are the Dream Team equivalent in rugby; but things go around in sport, as they do in life.
Deans the man strikes me as a old fashioned sort of guy. And I like unassuming old fashioned attributes like: loyalty, hard-work, thoroughness, determination, pride. I have no doubt that given a full players list, Dean’s Wallabies will give the All Blacks a real tickle-up. I just hope he’s around long enough to achieve that ambition.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:05am
ohtani's jacket said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
If the benchmark will remain the same under a new coach then what’s the point in keeping Deans? “The next coach will be just as bad as Deans” isn’t a defense of Deans. The current benchmark, which falls below the Jones/Connolly years, was set by Deans. For all of the supposedly wonderful things he’s done, he’s a historically bad Wallabies coach. Deans didn’t inherit a rabble, he’s created one. To argue that the worst performing Wallabies side in 50 years was better than the pre-Deans sides that went to Eden Park is arrant nonsense. The Wallabies are not a force in world rugby. Do you honestly think there is a side in the top 10 that don’t fancy their chances against the Wallabies? I’m sorry about my tone, but that was an astonishingly rose-tinted view of Deans’ Wallabies.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:44am
Uncle Argyle said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
I agree OJ,
there some of us in Australia who recognise where we are at and there are those who apolgise for it.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:29am
Red Kev said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Speaking of recognition of where the Wallabies are at and evaluation of Deans, Andrew Slack’s piece in the Courier Mail’s website over the weekend (Sunday September 2) is worth a read.
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:36pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
What would Andrew Slack know RK….he has only 100+ caps for Queensland and captained the Wallabies to a Grand Slam and Bledisloe Series victory culminating with an historic win at Eden Park no less. However some will still find fault in that!
September 3rd 2012 @ 3:51pm
Harry said | September 3rd 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
Very good article and sums it up why his position as Wallabies coach is beyond saving … he had chucked in the towel before last Saturday’s game, anjd that was clear afterwards. He should coach out the RC then would advise him to do the decent thing for everybody, including himself, by resigning.
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:44pm
Dan said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Hi Uncle here what i reckon,
Dakota tribal wisdom says that when you discover you’re riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount. However with the wallabies we often try other strategies with dead horses, including the following;
Buy a stronger whip.
Change riders.
Threaten the horse with termination.
Say things like, “This is the way we have always ridden this horse.”
Appoint a committee to study the horse.
Arrange to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
Lower the standards so that dead horses can be included.
Appoint a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
Ride the dead horse “outside the box.”
Buy a commercial off-the-shelf dead horse.
Create a training session to increase our riding ability.
Reclassify the dead horse as “living-impaired.”
Compare the state of dead horses in today’s environment.
Change the autopsy report to declare that “This horse is not dead.”
Kill all the other horses, so this one will look the same.
Name the dead horse “Paradigm Shift” and keep riding it.
Ride the dead horse “smarter” not harder.
Hire outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
Harness several dead horses together for increased speed.
Do a time management study to see if the lighter riders would improve productivity.
Declare that “No horse is too dead to beat.”
Call the dead horse a “joint venture” and let others ride it.
Provide additional funding to increase the horse’s performance.
Do a cost analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
Purchase an aftermarket product to make dead horses run faster.
Declare the horse is “better, faster, and cheaper” dead.
Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
Declare that “This horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.”
Get the horse a Web site.
Promote the horse to a supervisory position.
whadayareckon???
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:46pm
mania said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
LMAO!!
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:02pm
Dan said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:02pm
Dan said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
u like mania??
true enough hey a few of those lines have much merit.
September 4th 2012 @ 4:59am
mania said | September 4th 2012 @ 4:59am | Report comment
lots and lots of merit.
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:40pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Gold,
….all you need are a few horse racing scribes to say the horse has more potential than Phar Lap, its trainer is second to none in the land and the Australian Jockey Club takes um-bridge to any criticism of the horse, jockey and or trainer!…..:)
September 3rd 2012 @ 2:41pm
peterlala said | September 3rd 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
Dan, how did you get hold of Robbie Deans’ coaching manual?
September 3rd 2012 @ 4:14pm
Dan said | September 3rd 2012 @ 4:14pm | Report comment
lol was reading posts at work sshhh dont tell anyone when i seen this behind my screen and thought that get a grin or two…
I Love the wallabies and dont believe its all doom and gloom just need to reverse the all show no go aspect to
All go no show….
Seems like these boys have beers to celebrate before they win, read to much into media hype.
September 11th 2012 @ 7:50pm
bill said | September 11th 2012 @ 7:50pm | Report comment
not a force? we are ranked 2nd in the world? how do you work that out?
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:08am
Lloyd said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:08am | Report comment
Comparing the current All Blacks to the USA’s dominance in basketball is way off the mark. Both the Wallabies and especially the Springboks are not playing even near their potential, the All Blacks are no doubt a great team but their current dominance is due to the dropped standards of their competition and not because they are an unbeatable “dream team”. Look at they way the Boks played against Argentina – you cannot say they are at their best and neither are the Wallabies. The only way you can claim the AB’s to be an unbeatable dream team is when their competition is playing at their best!
September 3rd 2012 @ 3:49pm
mace 22 said | September 3rd 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
the problem is the opposition are playing at there best. So is the opposition for the usa dream team. So don’t put down the all blacks because they are by far the best rugby team on the planet.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:35am
Elisha Pearce said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
I don’t think Deans would be getting fired based on results only Josh. The team he’s placed on the paddock rarely seem to have a plan. That alone, at Test level, is a massive liability.
But the results aren’t great either. Combine that with his inability to select well balanced, in-form sides full of players that aren’t playing injured as well and you have a coach who’s used up 5 years with little indication he’s about to turn the corner. That’s why he would be removed as coach.
See my article last week for 2000 words of more detail – but I think Deans would make a good National Talent and Skills manager. He would really shine in that department I think.
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:31pm
John Doe said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
Skills? Why? Surely that’s one of his weaknesses. (Man) Manager and talent scout sure, I could see an incredibly amount of value, but skills coach?
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:41am
Justin2 said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
It isn’t just his pitiful return against New Zealand though. The other losses I don’t need to mention to you do I or do I?
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:59pm
Dave said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
You are kidding about the pre-Deans sides right Josh? Surely? Plus the ‘hard fought’ effort we put up this year against NZ? What where we scored zero points?
Did you watch season 2005? Thats what Eddie Jones was judged as a failure on. He was missing Larkham, Mortlock, Giteau, Latham, Lote, Vickerman, Paul, Lyons, and Harrison for the Eden Park test. Can you even begin to imagine the excuses that would be coming from Dean’s quislings if we had anywhere near such an injury toll today? Oh and please dont compare Pat McCabe to any of those players above. Horwill and JOC are are only real injuries.
Back in 2005 we had Rogers playing 10, Turinui at 12, and an injured Rathbone at 13…. Seriously we started that side. Their bench replacements included such greats as steve Kefu, Lloyd Johansson and of course – the sublime Lachlan MaKay…
That side put 24 points on the All Blacks and gave them a huge fright with some brilliant, creative, and intelligent backline play.
I doubt a single member of that side would make today’s Wallabies (aside from Mitchell who was starting out in his career and did play that test). So this ‘cattle’ nonsense is just idiotic. The above team of c grade Wallabies players scored 24 points against a 2005 All Blacks full of once in a generation players in their prime at Eden Park – a side that would humiliate the current NZ side in terms of class.
Jone’s record was judged on that season (which is where all of the losses took place). You can make a legitimate case for Eddie Jones being fired, but he did have excuses and absolutely no depth to replace injured players. We have FAR more depth across all positions today, and just 2 major injury losses, and 4+ years of humiliation. So what is Dean’s excuse?
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:14am
Harry said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Don’t accept this line currently being promoted by the pro-Deans cheerleaders (Spiro in the front row with the most vigourous pom-poms) that apart from NZ Deans’ results are excellent and he has restored Australian rugby. Under his watch:
- Lost to Scotland (twice) for the first time in 30 odd years.
- Lost to Samoa for the first time, and first time we’ve been beaten by a Pacific Island side since Tonga in 1972
- Lost to Ireland at the RWC, this critical loss made worse by a poorly selected side (Ben McCalman at 7) and rigid tactical approach.
- England hold the Cook Cup
Thats before this dreadfully passive acceptance of losses to NZ, and trottong out the excuse that they are a great side and unbeatable etc etc. Seriously? Liam Messam, Hosea Gear, Aaron Smith, those second-rowers? I’m sorry but these guys aren’t all time greats.
Its clear the Wallabies are a fractured, disunified camp with the dreaded Tah loser mentality well and truly spread to the Wallabies -Deans has more often than not, favoured NSW players over other states so has to take his share of the blame, and be more accountable.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:24am
formeropenside said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
dont forget the Grand Sham
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:05pm
Hansie said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Spiro loves to trot out the line that Australia making the semi finals at the World Cup was somehow a success, when in fact Australia had the easiest run to the final of any team but stuffed it up.
September 3rd 2012 @ 4:45pm
The Bush said | September 3rd 2012 @ 4:45pm | Report comment
Exactly, I don’t want him sacked for losing to New Zealand, though he goes about that too easily as well, I’d be happy if he just didn’t lose all the other winnable games.
The fact that he hasn’t got a settled team after five (5) years is reason enough to sack him.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:19am
peterlala said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Breaking news: Perth is an Australia city.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:25am
formeropenside said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Only because the British Government scotched a successful referendum on secession in 1933.