The finals are here, and it’s Hawthorn’s to lose
By Cameron Rose, 3 Sep 2012 Cameron Rose is a Roar Expert
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The line “the most even season since” has been repeated ad nauseam from punters and pundits alike throughout 2012, but as we enter a long-awaited finals series, we’re going to find out if it’s actually true.
Hawthorn are the legitimate premiership favourite, and warmly so after finishing on top of the ladder with 17 wins and a percentage of 154.59.
Unlike Sydney and Adelaide, who finished with the same amount of wins, Clarkson’s men did it the hard way. The Hawks earned their McClelland Trophy with repeat matches against top six teams Sydney, Collingwood, West Coast and Geelong.
The Hawks will account for a struggling Pies outfit this week, taking into the match confidence from two victories by a combined twelve goals over them already this year.
As added incentive, if any were required, the pain of last year’s preliminary final loss to the same foe still burns deep.
The loss of Brent Guerra will have an impact, but the round 17 demolition of Collingwood was achieved without him, and there are several able replacements to take his place.
Expect Suckling, Birchall, Gibson, Young and Burgoyne to share the kick-in duties in his absence.
Hawthorn have beaten every other finalist this year except one, and certainly fear no team.
But of course the spectre of Geelong looms large in the minds of every person within the brown-and-gold army.
If the Hawks do somehow stumble along the way, then September could well see a particularly even finals series.
Adelaide have been good enough to turn a fortunate draw into second spot on the ladder, delivering with it a home final and second chance if they can’t get over the Swans.
Most supporters won’t mind if their team has to face the Crows in a final, and they’re the most likely candidate in the top four for a straight sets exit if there’s going to be one.
Adelaide haven’t beaten a legitimate side away from home in the second half of the year and have recorded losses to North, Geelong and Brisbane on the road in this time.
They are in control of their destiny however, and have the chance not to travel until the grand final if they’re good enough.
I count four match-winners in their midst, which I define as players who can turn a game in fifteen minutes, and hit the scoreboard while doing so.
Patrick Dangerfield, Rory Sloane, Taylor Walker and Kurt Tippett are the names in question, and if these guys click at the right time they can have an impact, but one senses they’ll have to catch the opposition on a down day.
Sydney are yet to convince many sceptics, and after losing three of their last four home-and-away matches it’s a reasonable position to take, especially considering that two of them were in their home state.
While Mike Pyke has been a presence and Lewis Roberts-Thompson has averaged a goal a game as a key position role-player, it’s hard to see any team with a forward line containing these two, an out-of-form Adam Goodes and the erratic and injury-clouded Sam Reid standing on the premiership dais come September 29.
The Swans have their mental issues too, most commonly found in matches at the MCG, against Collingwood, and in close matches against strong opposition. Chances are they’ll need to overcome all three to get into a grand final.
The Pies were supposed to be on a slow burn this season, building to peak at the right time of year. As is usually the case though, a side with an interrupted and injury plagued pre-season is finding the task beyond them.
They’re coming into the finals off the back of two losses in their last three games, with the win being a largely unimpressive 32-point victory against Essendon, a side against which a ten goal margin is seen as a failure these days.
But Collingwood is a battle-hardened outfit with extensive finals experience. This will keep them in the race for a long while, as will a host of on-ball stars, but it won’t shock to see them fall victim to an inglorious end.
West Coast are finding some semblance of form at the pointy end of the season, and it’s fair enough to say that injuries have robbed them of a top four and possibly top two finish.
They are a defensively sound team with a reasonably deep midfield and viable forward targets.
While they weren’t disgraced against Hawthorn on Friday night, they never legitimately threatened either, and both sides seemed to be more about self-preservation in the second half.
Unfortunately for the Eagles, they’re going to have to win three matches on the road against top four teams in order to win the flag, and it’s quite simply not going to happen.
They’re a watch team for next year though, while they still have the ageing Cox, Kerr, Embley and Glass at or near their best.
Geelong are most people’s wildcard, and it’s not a hard opinion to reach.
Most of the team seem to have been playing in premierships since the days of black and white TV, and with a nine match winning streak over the prohibitive premiership favourite, can they be truly discounted?
They should beat Fremantle at the MCG this Saturday night, and at $1.30 favourite it would be some sort of upset if they didn’t. Beyond that is getting on a plane to Adelaide or Sydney and if successful, coming back to a well-rested Hawthorn or Collingwood.
I’m not certain they’re playing well enough to beat four finalists in a row, and I expect that if they do happen to run into the Hawks at some point, the Kennett Curse will finally be overturned, and probably in emphatic fashion.
Fremantle and North round out the final eight, and both teams will be travelling via air this weekend, starting as despised outsiders.
The Dockers are at least coming in off the back of some hot form and can give the Cats a shake, while the Roos are merely stumbling in, their defeat of the Pies in round 21 appearing to have been their grand final.
So, are we entering an even September, full of classic clashes and epic encounters, or will Hawthorn make it a one-act affair?
My money is on the latter, as it’s been from the start of the year. Although they’ll have to defy an interesting statistic that has seen only five of the last sixteen minor premiers take home the medallions on grand final day.
While hopes are always high at this time of year, not every finals series can be a truly great one, and this September may actually not provide the best football we’ve ever seen.
But Hawthorn fans won’t care less when their team is victorious on the final day.
Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for in his mind there is nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.
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September 3rd 2012 @ 6:42am
AndyMack said | September 3rd 2012 @ 6:42am | Report comment
Hi Cam
You seem to be writing off the Pies mate. I wouldnt be. They have been less than impressive at certain times of the year, but at times this year they have also seemed invincible. It seems to be swings and roundabouts this season.
Although I do agree hawks are the team to beat. Crows did have the benefit of a good draw, but still think they are tough to beat, esp given they will play two games at Footy Park.
Should be a good series….
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:34am
Cameron Rose said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
AndyMack,
The Pies just seem to be faltering at the wrong time. It won’t surprise me if they make it all the way to the grand final though, because some team has to. Their finals experience and midfield quality keeps them in with a chance, and of course if Travis Cloke can play at his best then they become a serious threat.
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:30pm
Bretto said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
Pies have the staff, just not the form. Dawes was obviously better in 2010 and 2011 – but how many games did he “win” for Collingwood – none I’d venture. Pendlebury, Swan, and Thomas are not in the same form, they have a lot of rubbish disposals – especially Swan. The only players that are clearly better this year are Beams and Fasolo. At their best they can match Hawthorn, but Hawthorn is currently at 95%, and Pies 80%. They simply don’t hunt the ball or the oposition like they used to. Is that desire, coaching, or just the swings of form?
September 3rd 2012 @ 6:48am
smithy said | September 3rd 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
Hawthorn have it won already in my opinion. You might as well hand the cup to them now. The g/final will be a caning- whoever they meet. If Sydney had beaten Hawthorn a few weeks ago then things might have been different – a home final for them etc… but thems the breaks. Hawthorn are such a professional team….I wish my team was half as professional as them.
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:10am
Deep Thinker said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
Lets wait and see.
Hawthorn have lost 5 games this year – more than they did last year and as many as Adelaide this year. Sydney and Collingwood have lost 6 games this year (only 1 more than Hawthorn). West Coast and Geelong have lost 7 games this year (only 2 more than Hawthorn).
That is not much difference. Yes Hawthorn are the favourites, but they are far from being a shoo-in.
Last year – the gap between the top 6 teams was 7 games. This year it’s only 2 games!
This comp is more even than this article makes it out to be – and with Geelong hitting form and with the pedigree, peaking at the right time and having two wins over the Hawks this year, I wouldn’t write them off by any stretch.
Collingwood have the best midfield going around and Cloke showed good signs over the weekend. I would not be surprised if they cause a shock against the Hawks.
Sydney and Adelaide I suspect lack the firepower. Eagles could do anything if it clicks for them.
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:38am
brendan said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Good analysis Deep thinker .Hawthorn obviously deserve premiership favouritism however as you suggest there is a long way to go yet.This weeks game is the key if Collingwood roll the Hawks the premiership opens up but as Cameron suggests a Hawthorn victory puts them in a the box seat.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:39am
Cameron Rose said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Hawthorn’s losses have been to WC in Perth, Sydney in Tas, a hot Richmond who caught the Hawks on their worst day for the year, and of course Geelong twice.
The Eagles loss was a toss of the coin, they completely outplayed Sydney for a half before being throwing it in, and they were up in the final minutes in both Geelong matches.
The phrase ‘even year’ actually just means ‘poor year’. The Hawks will make the grand final, and it’s just a matter of which team is in the best form in September to meet them.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:59am
Deep Thinker said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
You can say that about a lot of the losses by a lot of the top clubs. All teams have had close wins and close losses. Let’s not get carried away with a few games here or there.
Was last year a poor year?
‘Poor year’ is a value judgment about the quality of the competition – that I don’t necessarily agree with your value judgment. If there is only 1 or 2 front runners, then that is a bigger sign of a poor year because there is not as much depth of competition. Depends on how you wish to look at it.
Even if it is a poor year, it is still an even year and on wins/losses, Hawthorn are not that far ahead.
Even if the phrase ‘even year’ means ‘poor year’, then the Hawks have lost 5 games in a poor year so they don’t deserve to be placed on the pedestal that they have been. Their performance is inferior their performance last year (1 more loss). Are they better or worse now? If this year is a poor year compared to last year, then having more losses this year, Hawthorn are a worse team than last year.
LOL we can go around in circles for ever. Just look at the win/loss tables on the ladder and it is clear that it is all very close.
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:08pm
Cameron Rose said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
All your points are valid, but as a Deep Thinker, we would expect nothing less.
Wins and losses are ultimately the fixed measuring stick, but if basing opinion purely on my eyes, i’d say:
Hawthorn – maybe slightly better than last year, maybe the same?
Sydney – vastly improved
Adelaide – vastly improved
Collingwood – gone backwards (inept forwardline, weaker defensively)
West Coast – gone backwards (injuries/structure?)
Geelong – gone backwards
Fremantle – improved
North Melbourne – improved
The two ‘improved’ sides down the bottom of the eight aren’t going to threaten this year, which leaves two interstate sides that have trouble against Collingwood and at the MCG, and the rest have fallen away from Hawthorn.
If the Hawks can handle the weight of expectation, then I expect them to win the grand final after a finals series that may actually be quite dull.
September 3rd 2012 @ 2:46pm
Deep Thinker said | September 3rd 2012 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
I agree with all of the above – apart from the Deep Thinker bit
At the same time, I don’t think it is just about wins and losses. It is about peaking at the right time – as Hawthorn and Geelong seem to be doing.
Collingwood, WCE and Geelong have all gone slightly backwards in terms of performance over the regular season and have been managing key injuries. In Collingwood’s case, they have also had a coach on his L Plates. Both teams are full of class and have the game to upset Hawthorn without it being a great surprise.
Geelong’s season has been about the big picture. They miss Ottens more than anyone as their rucks is the big weakness they didn’t have last year. Scarlett is now only a good player rather than elite player. Taylor Hunt has improved and while not quite Ling, has progressively filled the void as solid tagger. Experienced players have been rested throughout the year while more rookies have been played than any other established team (most won’t play in September but their exposure to the highest level explains to some extent the additional losses). BUT… Mackie, Duncan, Christiansen, Hawkins and Motlop have all stepped up big time compared to previous years. The old stalwarts have still been very good. So yes – on wins and losses – they have gone backwards. But, rucks aside, I don’t think they’ve lost as much as people think.
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:36am
Christo the Daddyo said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
If they were fresh, I’d stack the Swans up there with any other team, but they look really tired to me. I wonder whether their relatively good run with injuries is going to come back and cost them in September. Most of their running players (Jetta especially) have lost their spark. Just as the team would have liked to have tapered off with some easy games at the end of the season, the draw has hit them with Collingwood, Hawthorn and Geelong as three of their last four games of the season. Tough ask.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:21am
Strummer Jones said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Christo, most of the Swans are still playing extremely well. Kennedy was brilliant Saturday, Richards did very well, Jack did very well. Shaw and Johnson did good together with Mummy, Bolton and pleasingly McVeigh. McGlynn had a great game but needs to do 1000 disposal exercises at training this week. Same with Hannebury whose disposal skills were shocking. Something is amiss with Goodes – his decision making has let him down lately as he is either trying to do it all or gives the ball away when he should be having a shot. O’Keefe seemed quiet on the day and not sure what the go is with Jetta’s run (is it him or the players poor disposal) although his disposals on Saturday were all 100% accurate. Bird is tired – I frequently see him jogging after players in the final quarter.
The decision to play Walsh proved a shocker. I really don’t know why they selected him for the Geelong game. Maybe a Bulldogs or Melbourne game, but surely even Jarred Moore or White would have been a better choice. Reid and Smith hopefully back next week, although Grundy could be gone. I’m still confident they can beat Adelaide in Adelaide this week, so wouldnt write them off just yet. Swans and Eagles proved that the Hawks are not a shoe-in for the premiership, so whoever makes it the GF should look at the results of the last two Hawks matches. I’m not saying Hawks aren’t favourite, just saying they aren’t a 90% chance as some might think (their odds translate into 44% chance to win the GF whereas I’d say 35%).
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:41am
Matt F said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Walsh was picked purely for structural reasons (Tall forward in Reid goes out so Walsh comes in) but I was really surprised that Morton wasn’t given a run instead. He showed some good signs as the sub against the Dogs and Hawks. I didn’t think Walsh was that bad, or at least not as bad as I expected him to go (which isn’t actually saying that much really.) Our midfield got smahsed from 1/4 time onwards and our forwards had very little service. I thought he did a reasonable job of coming up the ground and at least creating a contest, but he’s not ready to be in the best 22, especially in finals. I was really impressed with our defence given how many times the ball came inside Geelong’s forward 50.
Tippett and Walker will stretch us given that Grundy looks odds on to get a week off but if Reid comes back in we can throw LRT back to cover.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:43am
Cameron Rose said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Some excellent points there Strummer, particularly about Goodes. Too often seems to try something ‘Hollywood’ when all he needs to do is the simple, which he does exceptionally well.
We can forgive O’Keefe a quiet one, but for mine the Swans have found their level with losses in three of the last four. They’ll need to recover quickly, and have lucked into playing Adelaide.
I’ll be tipping the Swans this week, as I think they’re better, and the Crows haven’t had ideal preparation coming into the finals off the back of matches against Melbourne and Gold Coast.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:52am
Matt F said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Goodes really hasn’t hit form since he came back from his injury (which was a long time ago now.) I wonder if he’s still carrying it slightly? He hasn’t been terrible but he’s been consistently average which is a worry. The fact that his best games since his return have probably been against Brisbane and WB says a lot.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:29am
Strummer Jones said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
I suggested he might be carrying an injury previously, but now believe his decision making is letting him down more than anything. Agree he played a better game than recent weeks, but at times he kicked into space on Saturday or directly to Geelong players. He tried to do too much at certain points of the Geelong game and failed. It was borderline selfish play. He is a champion, so nothing a good hard word can’t fix.
Agree that LRT will/should go back to replace Grundy, and maybe bring in Morton to replace LRT up forward. Armstrong did well on Saturday and the fact he would have played a few games with the Crows at Football Park, should hold his spot.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:48am
Matt F said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
Agree on Armstrong. He was one of our best on Saturday and has experience at AAMI. I’d like to see Morton given a chance but I imagine it will end up being Grundy and Walsh out with Reid and Smith coming back in. I can’t see us making any other changes although that would leave us with a plethora of running half-back flankers.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:00am
Justin Curran said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
It would seem Hawthorn have a huge advantage this year coming from the top of the ladder. For a start they get to play Collingwood in week 1 who they have comfortably accounted for all year. Then after a week off will likely play an interstate team at the MCG in a preliminary final (unless Geelong upset someone interstate).
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:41pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
A team finishing top in the home and away should have a huge advantage
September 3rd 2012 @ 2:12pm
Justin Curran said | September 3rd 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Agreed
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:16pm
Mango Jack said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:16pm | Report comment
Geelong upset someone? I fully expect them to be playing Hawthorn in the prelim final. Freo then Adelaide are well within them.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:14am
Bayman said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Like most, I suspect, I tend to agree that whoever beats Hawthorn will win the flag. A lot, of course, will depend on how many of the participants are carrying injuries into the finals and whether those injuries are likely to reduce the player’s output on the day.
Is Buddy fully fit? He took off like a rocket in the first quarter against the Eagles and then virtually disappeared. Is Rioli one hundred percent? I guess we’ll find out this week when, presumably, he’s in the eighteen rather than subbing off the bench.
Clearly, we’ll all know more after the first week of the finals. Despite Cloke’s apparent return to form it’s difficult to see them beating Hawthorn this week – and if they don’t, it’s difficult, though not impossible, to see them winning the flag.
The fortunes of both Adelaide and Sydney should be decided this week. Whoever wins has a chance, the loser has very little. They may extend into the Preliminary Final round but a premiership seems unlikely. The winner, however, gets a rest the following week and a home Preliminary so that’s as good as it gets at this time of the year. At the moment, I reckon the odds are with Adelaide to progress to the week off and get the home final – especially if Grundy gets rubbed out for his brain explosion against Geelong. Mind you, given the bizarre behaviour of the tribunal this year Grundy’s absence is not guaranteed.
In the bottom half Geelong and West Coast should end the season of Fremantle and North Melbourne and no top half loser would relish the prospect of playing either of them in week two.
It is an even finals round with any of the top six, at their best, capable of winning the flag. That said, the handicaps are in place and well known. Home finals to interstate teams are a huge advantage, as are Melbourne finals if the opponent, like Fremantle, is from interstate.
It goes without saying that the key is to win, particularly for the top four. Losses just give the team another opportunity to lose players to injury. Can Buddy play four matches in a row at the intensity required? Or Cyril? Or Hodge?
Everyone will go in a bit sore but how sore may well decide the verdict. Of all the teams, right now, Adelaide may well be the freshest but will they still be a week from now – especially if they lose.
Deep thinker states the Adelaide probably lack the firepower. I reckon Tippett, Walker, Porplyzia, Callinan are probably good enough to do well against most defences and the mid-field running power of guys like Vince, van Berlo, Thompson, Dangerfield, Sloane etc. will give the forwards plenty of chances. My main concern is Adelaide’s tendency to allow their opponents a run of goals without reply. In most of their five losses this year the opposition had such a run which was the difference in the game.
At this time of the year all sides are tough to beat. Whoever gets through to the big one will have earnt the right to be there. Prior to the season, half way through the season and even as recently as four weeks ago my tip for the Grand Final was Hawthorn and Collingwood.
With these two now meeting in week one I’m busy looking around for a smokey. I’m hoping it’s Adelaide however I suspect the Crows will have to get over Collingwood, assuming the Maggies lose this week, to get there and given the Crows record against the ‘Pies it’s no certainty. I may still be right about Hawthorn and Collingwood – but I hope not.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:53am
Cameron Rose said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
A lot to digest there Bayman, and I think you’ve made some worthy points.
I will say that the Hawks were looking a little battered at the end of the West Coast match, and they do have a tendency to start slowly, as matches against Geelong and Sydney showed us. The Pies need to hunt them early, and if Cloke can kick a couple of first quarter goals then that will send the shudders through the Hawks backline.
The build-up is going to be huge, and perhaps the heaviest burden for Hawthorn is the weight of expectation.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:32am
Bayman said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
Cameron,
The expectation thing is the great unknown. The Hawks this year remind me of Geelong in 2008 – and we know what happened then. One curiosity for me is the respective performances of some of the team involved against each other.
The Crows have won twelve of the last fourteen against the Swans. Geelong have won every game against the Hawks since that memorable 2008 Grand Final. Adelaide’s record against Collingwood is worse, by a factor, than against any other team in the league and the last time thet met in a final the Crows gave up a six goal lead and, from memory, lost it after the siren. As they did against Hawthorn a few years ago.
The Crows are certainly carrying some finals baggage. The team of the year for me, though, has been the Swans. I reckon they’ve achieved more with less than any other team in the comp. They scrap and scrap and scrap and they never really seem to get blown away although Geelong, this week, went as close as anyone at the end.
September 3rd 2012 @ 9:38am
Rob said | September 3rd 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Couldn’t agree more about the Hawks this week, feel they could thump Collingwood, they looked pretty average against a weakened and very much down on form Bombers outfit on the weekend.
Can see WC knocking off North and then taking Collingwood down at the G…then again I guess you should never write off a champion team…
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:20am
Paul said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Alot of stats to take into account, would love a Geelong V Hawthorn grand final however I think that the Cats will fall short and am tipping a Hawks V Crows GF with the Hawks strolling to Premiers.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:27am
John Wild said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
I believe the Cats are still a huge threat. 4 of their losses have been interstate & 3 of those by 6 points or less. The Pies have beaten them twice but they (the Pies) were playing much better footy then & the Cats have improved heaps since those encounters. They have already shown they can beat Swans, Crows & Hawks. Interstate trips the only concern & ifthey end up playing Swans again in Sydney then that could be a worry, especially with the one sided free kick count Swans seem to get at home (don’t jump down my throat-check the stats). West Coast are the smokey but Hawks the ones to beat.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:31am
Poohdini said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
It’s finally here! The finals series that we’ve all been waiting for! The closest top 8 that anyone can remember!
Logic from past seasons setting in and we all are becoming a bit complacent.
Each team in the 8 has shown they are more then capable of going to another level when required.
Like most I have the Hawks pencilled in, but a season that has provided plenty of twist & turns will provide a finals series in the same manner (so I hope).
Poohdini Out!