The finals are here, and it’s Hawthorn’s to lose
By Cameron Rose, 3 Sep 2012 Cameron Rose is a Roar Expert
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Lance Franklin celebrates a goal in Hawthorn's 2011 final against Geelong (Slattery Images)
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The line “the most even season since” has been repeated ad nauseam from punters and pundits alike throughout 2012, but as we enter a long-awaited finals series, we’re going to find out if it’s actually true.
Hawthorn are the legitimate premiership favourite, and warmly so after finishing on top of the ladder with 17 wins and a percentage of 154.59.
Unlike Sydney and Adelaide, who finished with the same amount of wins, Clarkson’s men did it the hard way. The Hawks earned their McClelland Trophy with repeat matches against top six teams Sydney, Collingwood, West Coast and Geelong.
The Hawks will account for a struggling Pies outfit this week, taking into the match confidence from two victories by a combined twelve goals over them already this year.
As added incentive, if any were required, the pain of last year’s preliminary final loss to the same foe still burns deep.
The loss of Brent Guerra will have an impact, but the round 17 demolition of Collingwood was achieved without him, and there are several able replacements to take his place.
Expect Suckling, Birchall, Gibson, Young and Burgoyne to share the kick-in duties in his absence.
Hawthorn have beaten every other finalist this year except one, and certainly fear no team.
But of course the spectre of Geelong looms large in the minds of every person within the brown-and-gold army.
If the Hawks do somehow stumble along the way, then September could well see a particularly even finals series.
Adelaide have been good enough to turn a fortunate draw into second spot on the ladder, delivering with it a home final and second chance if they can’t get over the Swans.
Most supporters won’t mind if their team has to face the Crows in a final, and they’re the most likely candidate in the top four for a straight sets exit if there’s going to be one.
Adelaide haven’t beaten a legitimate side away from home in the second half of the year and have recorded losses to North, Geelong and Brisbane on the road in this time.
They are in control of their destiny however, and have the chance not to travel until the grand final if they’re good enough.
I count four match-winners in their midst, which I define as players who can turn a game in fifteen minutes, and hit the scoreboard while doing so.
Patrick Dangerfield, Rory Sloane, Taylor Walker and Kurt Tippett are the names in question, and if these guys click at the right time they can have an impact, but one senses they’ll have to catch the opposition on a down day.
Sydney are yet to convince many sceptics, and after losing three of their last four home-and-away matches it’s a reasonable position to take, especially considering that two of them were in their home state.
While Mike Pyke has been a presence and Lewis Roberts-Thompson has averaged a goal a game as a key position role-player, it’s hard to see any team with a forward line containing these two, an out-of-form Adam Goodes and the erratic and injury-clouded Sam Reid standing on the premiership dais come September 29.
The Swans have their mental issues too, most commonly found in matches at the MCG, against Collingwood, and in close matches against strong opposition. Chances are they’ll need to overcome all three to get into a grand final.
The Pies were supposed to be on a slow burn this season, building to peak at the right time of year. As is usually the case though, a side with an interrupted and injury plagued pre-season is finding the task beyond them.
They’re coming into the finals off the back of two losses in their last three games, with the win being a largely unimpressive 32-point victory against Essendon, a side against which a ten goal margin is seen as a failure these days.
But Collingwood is a battle-hardened outfit with extensive finals experience. This will keep them in the race for a long while, as will a host of on-ball stars, but it won’t shock to see them fall victim to an inglorious end.
West Coast are finding some semblance of form at the pointy end of the season, and it’s fair enough to say that injuries have robbed them of a top four and possibly top two finish.
They are a defensively sound team with a reasonably deep midfield and viable forward targets.
While they weren’t disgraced against Hawthorn on Friday night, they never legitimately threatened either, and both sides seemed to be more about self-preservation in the second half.
Unfortunately for the Eagles, they’re going to have to win three matches on the road against top four teams in order to win the flag, and it’s quite simply not going to happen.
They’re a watch team for next year though, while they still have the ageing Cox, Kerr, Embley and Glass at or near their best.
Geelong are most people’s wildcard, and it’s not a hard opinion to reach.
Most of the team seem to have been playing in premierships since the days of black and white TV, and with a nine match winning streak over the prohibitive premiership favourite, can they be truly discounted?
They should beat Fremantle at the MCG this Saturday night, and at $1.30 favourite it would be some sort of upset if they didn’t. Beyond that is getting on a plane to Adelaide or Sydney and if successful, coming back to a well-rested Hawthorn or Collingwood.
I’m not certain they’re playing well enough to beat four finalists in a row, and I expect that if they do happen to run into the Hawks at some point, the Kennett Curse will finally be overturned, and probably in emphatic fashion.
Fremantle and North round out the final eight, and both teams will be travelling via air this weekend, starting as despised outsiders.
The Dockers are at least coming in off the back of some hot form and can give the Cats a shake, while the Roos are merely stumbling in, their defeat of the Pies in round 21 appearing to have been their grand final.
So, are we entering an even September, full of classic clashes and epic encounters, or will Hawthorn make it a one-act affair?
My money is on the latter, as it’s been from the start of the year. Although they’ll have to defy an interesting statistic that has seen only five of the last sixteen minor premiers take home the medallions on grand final day.
While hopes are always high at this time of year, not every finals series can be a truly great one, and this September may actually not provide the best football we’ve ever seen.
But Hawthorn fans won’t care less when their team is victorious on the final day.
Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for in his mind there is nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.
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September 3rd 2012 @ 10:42am
Pope Paul VII said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Yeah Rob stop writing off NM. I got to watch first hand North’s cunning plan to engineer a showdown with WCE.
GWS played pretty well actually. Also every time Izzy went near the ball the crowd went bananas. Fun and freezing even if North scored about 100 less than I was hoping.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:13am
Strummer Jones said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Not sure what has happened to North. They looked great/fantastic against the Pies 2 weeks ago, but since then look pretty, well, weak. I was even thinking this team could go all the way after they beat Collingwood. You imply you are a supporter PPVII, so what’s the go? Why the sudden lack of form?
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:39am
Pope Paul VII said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Dunno, a bit of fatigue, maybe eased off a bit after they were safely in the eight.
Looking forward to many silently greeted goals and lots of booing in the west.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:21pm
Timmuh said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:21pm | Report comment
I didn’t think North were bad against Freo. The inexperience got shown up brutally though, and I expect much the same ine the one final appearance. Sadly, my Kangas are no chance on Sunday. Against GWS, my guess is they were just flat having come off some serious highs in the last two months getting motivated to take on the Giants would have been difficult.
September 3rd 2012 @ 10:57am
adam said | September 3rd 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
The 4 games this weekend shouldn’t present too many issues for the home teams and I would expect the Hawks, Crows, Eagles & Cats to win in week 1, maybe not in a romp but form, home ground advantages and injuries make me think they’ll win.
Sydney could then go out in straight sets then, because playing Geelong at the Olympic Stadium would nearly see the Cats enter as favourites there to go on to play the Hawks in a Prelim.
Pies would then play the Eagles in Melbourne, which would be too tight for me to call but which ever team did win would be confident up against the Crows in Adelaide in the Prelim. At that stage the Crows would have had only one decent hitout (Swans in week 1 of finals) in almost a month and I’d be open to tipping either the Pies or Eagles to get through to the GF.
Can anyone remember what the AFL arrangements with regards to a minimum number of finals games being played at Etihad are? Is there a minimum anymore?
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:06am
Cameron Rose said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Adam,
There’s only been one final played at Etihad in the last four years, so I don’t think they have to play any there any more. I think it’s basically worked out now that finals teams are entitled to their home games where appropriate except on grand final day. Even the MCG doesn’t have to hold a preliminary final like it used to. This year it will host one of course.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:22am
adam said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Thanks Cam, I had it in my head that there was a minimum of 1 game or something which would mean that potentially a Prelim with either the Hawks or Pies would have to be played there, which would have been just wrong. The Prelim last year between the Hawks and Pies was the best game I’ve attended and best atmosphere of any AFL game I’ve been to (and I’m a Cats supporter).
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:18am
penguin said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:18am | Report comment
Sadly Mr Rose you were right. My head tells me Sydney are gone, likely to go out in straight sets against the Crows and Geelong. Their midfield was smashed by Geelong, unusual in that they broke at least even with the Hawks the week before. That agonising loss against the Hawks, aided by 2 appalling decisions for which Jeff G apologised, combined with a hard run home will cruel their chances. Adelaide will be fresher with too many guns up forward, and the lesser Swans mids are playing poorly – Jetta, Hanneberry, Bird etc all down, and Goodes ihas mental issues. We can’t keep hoping Kennedy, Jack and McVeigh will carry us over the line. Jude will play his 300th and possibly last game in a losing semi to Geelong at that horrible soulless ANZ Stadium.
Geelong are my tip to upset the Hawks in the prelim and to face probably Adelaide but possibly West Coast in the granny. The Cats are peaking and the fear of God will be on Hawthorn if they meet at the MCG.
Having said all that, GO THE BLOODS!
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:51pm
Richo said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Have faith, they aren’t playing that badly. The Hawthorn/Collingwood matches could have gone either way. Gotta hope Jetta recpatures his early season form.
September 3rd 2012 @ 11:51am
Tom of Darwin said | September 3rd 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
Firstly I’m an Adelaide fan so have a heavy bias that way…
This article starts off badly as the author has not bother to look at the ladder. Adelaide and Hawthorn finished the season with the same amount of wins (17) and Sydney and Collingwood won the same amount of games (16). This oversight flows through the analysis of the interstate teams making the finals – a general disregard I would say.
Much has been made of the draw, but I think we can all agree that Hawthorn are deserved to be minor premiers. However, unlike Collingwood, Adelaide only lost one game to a bottom eight side, and that is the difference between where they finished. Losing twice to Carlton was unforgivable considering that most teams in the eight easily accounted for the Blues this year. Adelaide defeated Carlton (who were top of the ladder at the time) by ten goals.
Much is made of the home ground advantage and Hawthorn is surely favourite because the GF will be played in Melbourne. This alone is enough for most critics to write off Adelaide, Sydney, WCE and Fremantle should they make the GF. This is based on fact of course, for example, Adelaide hasn’t beaten Hawks away for many years, but neither has Hawthorn beaten Adelaide in Adelaide for years. This home ground advantage bias towards Hawthorn and Collingwood is what people should be talking about, not who played GC twice or GSW. Bloody hell, somebody had to play them twice – why wouldn’t it be a team that finished 14th (and didn’t get a good draft pick as the draft system was put on hold). Not that it matters if you’re Carlton! (apologies Carlton fans for a cheap shot)
To the footy, I believe that Adelaide’s ruck is our strength, with Adelaide boy Jacobs being the standout ruck of the competition. This along with a powerful midfield is where Adelaide is better than Hawthorn. Adelaide can beat the Hawks by getting first look at the ball and getting the ball down to an in form forward line. If the Hawks get the ball they have an equally impressive forward line, perhaps a little better.
Collingwood has a great centre but is vulnerable up forward. Cloke’s return to form last week against a terribly out of form Essendon was welcomed for pies fans. For me Collingwood are unconvincing and have the least firepower up forward out of all the top 8 teams.
Sydney matches up very well on Adelaide, what a cracker of a game. Both have good rucks and a game play based on contested possessions. The Crows forwards will be up against the best backline in the business. Adelaide should just get up at home.
I could go on but everyone seems to have a pretty good analysis of the teams (including the author), just my 2 cents that has ended up being a bloody essay. I can’t bloody wait!
Predictions: Hawks to defeat my beloved Crows in the GF.
September 3rd 2012 @ 5:04pm
John said | September 3rd 2012 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
Tom, A good analysis but no where do you mention the Cats. I think you & many others are still underrating them.
September 4th 2012 @ 4:08pm
Tom of Darwin said | September 4th 2012 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
True John, I probably have written them off a bit, probably based on on the fact that it is so difficult to win outside of the top four. Geelong will have to play either Sydney or Adelaide away, two teams beaten in recent time but the home ground advantage is strong. This will be the hardest pathway to a GF Geelong have had in recent times, and winning the semi-final will only put them in front of a rested and waiting Hawks/ Pies outfit. If its Hawks, look out, and if its the pies, then they would be red hot having just beaten the Hawks.
As an Adelaide fan I would prefer to play Geelong in the GF than Hawthorn, at least Geelong would be ‘away’ as well, but would most like to play Collingwood as there is nothing sweeter than beating the pies (except thrashing Port of course).
You know how Hawthorn hasn’t beaten Geelong since the GF, well I suspect it is completely psychological, the cats are so fired up everytime they play, but the Hawks are so relaxed knowing that they won the flag! It’s like they are laughing at the cats! That interesting record won’t count in a prelimin, but I guess that’s why everyone wants to see that match up.
Everybody’s comments on Geelong being a danger side are spot on, but it will be a mighty performance to win the flag.
Also I never mentioned North either, but I did make two punts on them this year, against St Kilda and against Collingwood, I have been impressed by them ever since they beat Adelaide. But along with Freo, the only thing they will get out of the finals is more experience for a crack at it next year.
September 4th 2012 @ 10:35pm
John said | September 4th 2012 @ 10:35pm | Report comment
Tom, Firstly I must say that I have only just picked up on this webpage & happy to see good conversations about footy rather than the usual crap that gets posted. Well done to all.
Your comments are also very good & especially what you are saying about the Cats v Hawks however I am sure the Hawks weren’t thinking that way in last years QF.
I agree that it will be tough for the Cats and suspect they wont make the GF (likewise Pies) mainly for the reasons you have pointed out. It will be an interesting few weeks & I am so looking forward to it.
September 5th 2012 @ 9:56am
Tom of Darwin said | September 5th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
I overlooked the QF last year, I agree that was all the cats.
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:00pm
Cameron Rose said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
I certainly feel your pain about ANZ Stadium Penguin, I just hate watching games there myself.
Syd v Adel is shaping as a fascinating contest. I reckon the Swans have the edge there because they’ve played against better teams in the last month, which is great preparation for the finals – it’s also why I think the Hawks are looking good, playing tough opposition like Sydney and WC is a perfect lead in.
There’s no doubt that all neutrals are hoping for that Hawthorn v Geelong prelim final. Reckon that will be a bigger build-up than the grand final if it happens.
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:19pm
Richo said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
I reckon Hawthorn fans will become very nervous if they have to face Geeling in a prelim
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:10pm
hawker said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
If it happens it happens, they’re always epic games that go down to the wire and I’m confident next time we’ll end up on the right side of one…
September 3rd 2012 @ 3:02pm
Matt F said | September 3rd 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
I imagine that you’ve said that the last few times as well though!
September 3rd 2012 @ 8:22pm
Mango Jack said | September 3rd 2012 @ 8:22pm | Report comment
You’re right there, Richo. It could finish me off!
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:25pm
Richo said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
On paper, the games this weekend look to be completely one sided.
All the home teams will start favourite, the only away team that really looks like they could win is Sydney.
Fremantle’s big win over Melbourne does them (and the neutral observer) a diservice.
I can’t see them getting anywhere near Geelong, nor North against West Coast.
However, footy isn’t played a paper so we shall see what happens.
September 3rd 2012 @ 12:43pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 3rd 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
The way this season has gone, it would be an upset if there isnt an upset
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:43pm
Brian said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Looking at the long-term I think the Dockers did themselves right. If they are going to win a flag or get close in years to come that will involve wins against good teams at the MCG. No point hiding from the place.
September 3rd 2012 @ 2:17pm
Strummer Jones said | September 3rd 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Seem to be a few readers are suggesting a boring or predictable finals ahead. Lets bring some maths into this as it may change some peoples minds (or have them heading to the TAB!).
Taking out the TAB commission, current odds translate into the following probabilities:
1. 23% chance all the favourites win this week, so 77% chance there will be at least one upset
2. 1% chance all non-favorites win (lets make that zero)
3. If we throw out the Swans/Crows game, there is a 39% chance all three remaining favourites win
4.. 43% chance the Swans win
5. Freo are a 24% chance to win (hmmmm, I think they should be more)
6. 74% chance Hawthorn win and a 63% chance they at least contest in the GF
In conclusion, the TAB suggests it is more likely than not (i.e. 51% or more chance) there will be one and maybe two upsets this week.
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:04pm
Lee said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
Everyone is completely discounting Fremantle, and I would too if the gamewas in Geelong.
However, at the MCG they might have a bit of a chance.
Same for whoever Sydney play in the 2nd (hopefully, as a crows fan!) or third week of the finals. Sydney massive favourites at the SCG, probably underdogs at ANZ.
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:42pm
Richo said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Freo need a good start to have any chance. If Geelong get a decent break a quarter time, then the match will be over as a contest early.
I prefer the SCG from a viewing perpsective but I am not sure how much of a difference it makes. To win a flag, you have to win on the MCG which is a big ground so playing matches at ANZ it probably better in the long run
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:40pm
Brian said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
As a nuetral would be great to see a Hawthorn v Geelong Prelim. As a Hawk supporter I wish nothing of the sort.
History shows winning interstate in Finals is near impossible and I expect both Geelong & WCE to not make the Prelims. That leaves Collingwood as the one wildcard between Hawthorn and the flag. If Cloke is in form I am not sure how we would hold them. They also have the pedigree to beat Sydney or Adelaide away which means there is a good chance the Friday night clash will be repeated on GF Day.
I know I am possibly underating Sydney & Adelaide but I think if you look at the draw and realistically who has played who twice the real ladder would look like something like
1. Hawthorn
2. Collingwood
3. West Coast
4. Geelong
5. Sydney
6. Adelaide
7. Fremantle
8. Essendon
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:43pm
TC said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Geelong is very nicely placed to meet Hawthorn in the prelim (although plenty of water to go under the bridge yet).
TC
September 3rd 2012 @ 1:50pm
Brian said | September 3rd 2012 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
Yes especially as Geelong was beaten away by both Adelaide and Sydney this year.
September 3rd 2012 @ 2:07pm
hawker said | September 3rd 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
Geelong are playing a whole lot better now than they were at the start of the year then when they lost to the crows. There was only a kick in the game at the scg. Collingwood have been playing in fits and starts and while Cloke played his best game for the year it took them 3 qtrs to subdue an essendon team in free fall.
September 3rd 2012 @ 4:47pm
TC said | September 3rd 2012 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
That’s right hawker, people need to put into the backs of their minds whatever the cats did earlier in the season.
One thing is for sure – the Cats are one of the very few teams in the final 8 who enter the finals series confident that they can more than match up with every other team in the comp (without it being an empty boast).
The Geelong Football Club would have no fears about any of the teams in the top 8.
TC
September 3rd 2012 @ 5:21pm
Brian said | September 3rd 2012 @ 5:21pm | Report comment
i think some people are overating the Cats on seasons gone by. Even forgetting the early season they were neck and neck with the Swans at Kardinia around 3 qtr time, never mind the MCG or up in Sydney.
They just beat Hawthorn and narrowly lost to West Coast, its good form but its not like they are blowing everyone away. They’ve also had the luxury of resting players during the season, if they do get past Fremantle and Sydney or Adelaide away after a 6 day break they will be hardly be fresh for the rested winner of Hawthorn and Collingwood
September 3rd 2012 @ 4:37pm
Redb said | September 3rd 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
Spot on Cam. Its Hawthorn then daylight, although Geelong might be a behind a tree waiting for the prelim to pounce.
September 3rd 2012 @ 5:03pm
Strummer Jones said | September 3rd 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
I’d actually say Daylight have a good chance of doing the Hawks Redb. Broad, After, Before and Robbery have all had great games leading up to the finals, and with only Savings out of the side (he won’t recover until 1st week October), they are looking ‘hot’, real ‘hot’. Hopefully no night finals, otherwise they’re stuffed.