Should the Waratahs build a dream team?
By jeznez, 4 Sep 2012 jeznez is a Roar Guru
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On the weekend Greg Growden reported in the Sydney Morning Herald that a senior NSW official was trying “create a 2013 Waratahs dream team revolving around Ewen McKenzie, Phil Blake and Sonny Bill Williams.”
Not one of the three names excites me.
McKenzie has had his time at the Waratahs, he has a role at the Reds and has clear ambitions to be the next Wallabies coach. He should be focussed on the Reds role and looking to prove that this season was an aberration and that the performance of the season before was the norm.
Blake has been an assistant at the Wallabies level and became the caretaker coach at the Force when Rod Graham left mid-season. Maybe he is a good fit for an assistant role but it isn’t for the NSW board to select the assistants, they should be appointing a head coach and having that coach appoint his team.
There is simply no way that picking an assistant coach before signing the head coach is a good idea.
As bonehead decisions go it is up there with re-signing Tom Carter before the new head coach was appointed.
All respect to Carter but he did not challenge for the starting 15 for most of last season. His spot in the squad should be going to a developing player whose best years are ahead of him, rather than being a very experienced training squad member or bench man.
Finally the idea of signing Sonny Bill Williams as the marquee player is madness.
The guy is an outstanding talent but comes with a huge price tag.
The Australian Super rugby sides already operate under a salary cap that handicaps them compared to the New Zealand and South African teams. Squandering a huge amount of the salary cap on a single player – one who will not be eligible for an ARU top up – means there will be hardly anything left for the remainder of the squad.
Further, recruiting a star has not been a recipe for success in the past. Recruiting stars from other teams, whose best days are behind them, or bringing in big names from the NRL and trying to convert them into rugby players has not worked.
You can look back historically at Jason Little and Tiaan Strauss, rugby league recruits Matt Rogers, Lote Tuquiri, Wendell Sailor and Timana Tahu and learn the lesson. More recently, Berrick Barnes, Adam Ashley-Cooper and Drew Mitchell provide more evidence.
Sonny Bill Williams is different from the names above in that he is just coming into his full powers as a rugby player. He has just had his breakout season where he has silenced almost all his critics and there is reason to think that he has potential to improve a little more.
But with the coaching that will be offered at the Waratahs, compared to Wayne Smith mentoring him at the Chiefs, does anyone think he would do anything other than regress?
The Waratahs now have the opportunity to bring some new blood into the Australian Super rugby coaching ranks.
The fact that Michael Foley got recruited by the Force after the abysmal season the Waratahs produced shows the lack of depth in Aussie rugby coaching.
There are respected names out there coaching overseas. Michael Cheika and Scott Johnson appear to be the most admired and my personal favourite respectively.
Johnson’s infamous correction that New Zealand was of course “two poxy little islands in the Pacific Ocean” was one of the funniest, most ill-advised sledges I’ve ever heard from an international coach. It makes me smile to this day. I’d love this guy to be at the Waratahs and you know they wouldn’t be playing the bland, beige ‘brand’ of try not to lose rugby that they do today.
As well as bringing new blood into the coaching ranks there is an opportunity to bring new players on.
Michael Hooper is a player they got very lucky with; he is a young guy coming back to his home city and still has plenty of potential to develop as a player.
If you look at the existing Waratahs pack and young players that NSW recruiters and coaches let slip away such as Dan Palmer, Caderyn Neville, Hugh Pyle and Ita Vaea you can see the makings of a sensational pack.
Spending huge on Sonny Bill means there will be less money to pick up the next developing crop of players.
It is a bad move and not one that is needed, the quick fix may get the turn-styles spinning but the Waratahs already have all the ingredients they need to build a champion team. They just have to stop shooting themselves in the foot.
What do other Roarer’s think?
Should the Waratahs be looking at McKenzie, Blake and Williams? Or is investing in a top outsider coach who has proven credentials from Europe, along with a focus on recruiting of future stars the way to go?
Johnson and Cheika as NSW men who have coached at high levels overseas stand out as my preference, along with the youth ticket.
If the NSW senior officials are not on the same page will we continue to get seasons like the one we just had?
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September 4th 2012 @ 5:39am
mania said | September 4th 2012 @ 5:39am | Report comment
would be easier for the tahs to build a “dream on” team
September 4th 2012 @ 11:39am
Indio said | September 4th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Sounds like Australian rugby is in Dreamtime..
September 4th 2012 @ 5:49am
biltongbek said | September 4th 2012 @ 5:49am | Report comment
Pardon my ignorance Jeznez, but do you really think there is such a thing as a dream team?
If you said to me is it possible to build a dream team, my answer would be an emphatic no, it isn’t possible. The biggest reason why I think so is because we live in an era where professionalism makes it nigh on impossible to retain sportsmen long enough in one squad to really provide the necessary time to get a squad of thirty players to play become a dream team.
SBW in particular isn’t one that will hang around long enough for that to realise.
Anyway, I don’t think a dream team is built around one or two players, I think it is possible to build dream combinations that could fit into a team environment though.
Unfortunately as far as who are the better coaches in Australia, I can’t tell you, but combinations that are balanced provide more value to a team than any one individual.
September 4th 2012 @ 10:39am
jeznez said | September 4th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Biltong, the dream team comment comes from the headline of the article in the newspaper.
I’m with you, I want the Waratahs to stop buying big name players and focus on developing the juniors from their catchement area.
September 4th 2012 @ 2:11pm
bmwwilliams said | September 4th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
Absolutely right Jez.
The Tahs have been chasing the ‘dream team’ squad for a long time now – As you said, there is a very long list of star players they have brought in from other franchises.
NSW and Qld have first go at most of Australia’s young players – There’s no excuses for those two franchises not to be bringing in young players and churning out stars. I see it as a fundamental problem in talent spotting.
Alternatively, perhaps the coaching and organisation structure is just not conducive to bringing up young players and giving them confidence? I can’t imagine the intense pressure, negative play and poor coaching is great for an up and comer.
September 4th 2012 @ 6:23am
M.O.C. said | September 4th 2012 @ 6:23am | Report comment
If by “dream team” you mean a bunch of sleep-walking narcoleptics who put the fans to sleep faster than Stilnox? mission accomplished.
September 4th 2012 @ 8:08am
cody said | September 4th 2012 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Blake and “Dream Team” is an oxymoron.
September 6th 2012 @ 8:50am
Bakkies said | September 6th 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
As long as Blake is more Shaun Edwards then Tony Rea.
September 4th 2012 @ 8:03am
Uncle Argyle said | September 4th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Jez,
just find three blokes who are NSW through and through. Furthermore I would have an open door training session for all those guys in Shute Shield land or out in the bush who want a crack. Open the doors and give the youth a crack at the big time. Talent needs opportunity and when the two combined add in a little determination and you have yourself a rugby player.
September 4th 2012 @ 10:51am
jeznez said | September 4th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Now there is an idea Nicko, try outs. The recruiters are obviously unable to spot a heap of talent so get the guys who are keen to come to the team. I like it.
September 4th 2012 @ 8:06am
Red Kev said | September 4th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
I can’t believe there’s a group of guys who seriously think they can convince SBW to play rugby for the Waratahs. I reckon I’d have more chance of nailing Miranda Kerr.
September 4th 2012 @ 9:00am
Elisha Pearce said | September 4th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
*hit the reply button and then froze*
September 4th 2012 @ 10:46am
macka said | September 4th 2012 @ 10:46am | Report comment
LOL!!! So true! The factors in their way are just plain impossible to mount over. If they got him, i will propose to Miranda Kerr naked in the middle of the SFS during a match next year!!! LOL!!!!
September 4th 2012 @ 4:14pm
atlas said | September 4th 2012 @ 4:14pm | Report comment
some clarification please
is that miranda kerr naked (good)
or you (bad)?
September 4th 2012 @ 11:23am
Chris of Vic said | September 4th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Thanks RK, now have cake and coffee spit all over my keyboard
September 4th 2012 @ 8:42am
Bakkies said | September 4th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
They should concentrate of developing a team rather than their current model of buying a team of stars. Recruiting Queenslanders and players that have been developed in the Brumbies (you only have to look at Hooper and AAC’s reasons for going to the Tahs. None of them were really Rugby related. Sam Norton Knight made the same mistake and it killed his career) a set up is never going to give them long term success.
The problem that Australian rugby has currently with the constant movements of players between teams is that the blokes that have moved for non Rugby reasons (lifestyle, family, etc) haven’t really worked out in their new surroundings.
September 4th 2012 @ 11:10am
Frisky said | September 4th 2012 @ 11:10am | Report comment
Well said Bakkies. The Tahs should develop players rather than buy them. It does not work for Easts in the league and does not seem to work for NSW. As a long suffering Brumbies supporter I have come to hate the Tahs. We picked up unwanted players and developed them into stars, only to see NSW wave cheque books at them. The last ones to leave are AAC and Hooper. George Smith resisted the temptation and became a legend. It will be interesting to see if Hooper becomes another Smith or another Norton Knight.
I sometimes dream of what might have been if Touquiri and Sailor had come to ACT instead of catching cold on the end of a Tahs back line. I am sure that they would have developed into rugby legends.
September 4th 2012 @ 6:47pm
Bakkies said | September 4th 2012 @ 6:47pm | Report comment
and Rogers. Rogers would have been a more complete player if he was playing with Larkham, Mortlock, Giteau and Roff week in, week out.
The Tahs need to find some New South Welshmen that have passion for the state and jersey. Waugh and Burke had it but you need 15 of them. Queenslanders are never going to be passionate for the Tahs they are going there to work. Barnes always has a pained face when he plays for them and he only left the Reds due to their poor set up at the time. At times during the season you were wondering if AAC was regretting his move and you could tell in some of his interviews that he wanted to be back at the Brumbies. Once you are involved in the Brumbies set up for a number of years it’s difficult to go back up to Sydney and play for the Tahs. That’s why not many have done it and for certain players it’s a no, no as they were never rated up there.
The Tahs is a completely different set up and players are spread out all over the place due to the size of Sydney. Brumbies have a tight knit group as they live close together and the Reds have put an emphasis on building a more unified squad. Once you get out of that and move to the Tahs you are just an individual in the team. Ben Mowen’s partner was shocked to see that Ben would go to the cinema with the whole squad. Obviously this didn’t happen that often or at all at the Tahs. Players did their own thing for a while at the Brumbies and it didn’t work and Jake White has brought back the original Brumbies team building principle of them sticking together and becoming mates.
September 4th 2012 @ 8:48am
Blue Blood said | September 4th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
The fact that Michael Foley got recruited by the Force after the abysmal season the Waratahs produced shows the lack of depth in Aussie rugby coaching.
The Force had the option to engage any number of coaches and after interviewing the best the one who was selected was Foley. Perhaps the question shouldn’t be what is wrong with the Force but what is wrong with the Tahs. They had a wanted coach and a pile of Wallabies and still had such massive issues.
Time will tell if you or I are correct. As a Force fan I am excited. Welcome to your new home Foley. Where you’ll actually have the power to run the program you weren’t permitted to in NSW!
September 4th 2012 @ 10:55am
jeznez said | September 4th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
BB good luck to your team and to Foley. Personally I am very grateful to the Force for lifting him off the Tahs. It appeared that NSW were not going to sack him and after losing that many games with that many Wallabies it really was the only option.
Hopefully Foley has learnt a lot and can have a vastly more succesful year next year. I want all five Aussie sides strong rather than having the bulk of them propping up the bottom of the table.
September 4th 2012 @ 8:54am
jameswm said | September 4th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
They need a top coach and a new culture. It’s simple. Reward performance and effort, be prepared to drop guys or sack them no matter who they are. Make it clear what the expectations are. Get a coach in the players are not chummy with. Get a coach with a clear game plan who also develops skill and doesn’t assume the players are already skilled enough.
The players are there, and yes it’d be nice to have some of thoseyou mentioned back. Maybe, like Hooper, they will filter back home when a better culture develops at the Tahs.
Clean-out at Board level, cleanout in the coaching ranks, cleanout of players. If they just re-signed Tom Carter, they’re almost a lost cause already. Who made that call?
September 4th 2012 @ 10:58am
jeznez said | September 4th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
James, I wasn’t even thinking that we’d get those guys I mentioned back. I think the ship has sailed on those players. What needs to happen is that the effort needs to go in to recruitment and development to ensure that the next crop of good young forwards doesn’t get missed.
As far as TC goes, it can only have been the Waratahs Inc board – was announced after Foley left so there wouldn’t be anyone else with the authority to make the call.
September 4th 2012 @ 9:10am
Myles said | September 4th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Any contract handed to Sonny Bill Williams is a terrible one. Obviously doesn’t care about any of the sides he plays for, and if the price is right, his “loyalties” cam be taken elsewhere. I call him ‘Rent-a-Sonny’
September 4th 2012 @ 9:20am
mania said | September 4th 2012 @ 9:20am | Report comment
Myles – call him what you want to guys a millionaire. in regards to walking out on a contract, doggies really should’ve paid him more instead of thinking he would stay there for love.
September 4th 2012 @ 10:08am
soapit said | September 4th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
pretty sure they showed him the figure on his contract before he signed it. if he thought it wasnt enough he should have been man enough to say so before he signed.
September 4th 2012 @ 10:17am
M.O.C. said | September 4th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Pretty sure that he also counted on his mentors and friends (aka Willie Mason/ Mark O’Mealy) to stick with him (prompting him to sign for a lower amount) before they reneged and moving to the Roosters for more $. I suspect that it was easier to leave a club while disillusioned and disappointed.
September 4th 2012 @ 11:24am
soapit said | September 4th 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
then he should have asked his mates (if that was going to be a factor) and put something in the contract about renegotiating if they left.
not too reasonable to blame the bulldogs because he signed without asking enough questions. its not his fault, sounds like his manager at the time really did a pretty ordinary job advising him.
September 4th 2012 @ 12:29pm
mania said | September 4th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
soapit – he did ask his mates. he was offered a crap deal, club said they had no more money to give him as they were close to the salary cap. he went and asked mason and anasta if they were gonna stay as well and they said yes then left the next season. when he went back to management to point out that there was money freed up for the salary cap doggies said that he’d already signed.
SBW got screwed because doggies thought as they’d developed him that he’d stay out of loyalty. theres loyalty then theres getting screwed over for free.
SBW had the last laugh and got everything and more that he asked from the doggies.SBW may have gotten a tarnished name from those dealings but i dont blame the guy and in the end if he’d stayed in league he never would’ve made anywhere near as much money as he’s demanding now.
SBW was loyal to the toulon, crusaders, chiefs and AB’s. he gave it his all when he played
September 4th 2012 @ 12:39pm
soapit said | September 4th 2012 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
sorry mate but whats your point there?
you’ve described the facts that he signed a contract and then when conditions changed wanted to modify it and bulldogs didnt want to (as it would cost them more obviously). but we all know all that.
instead of standing up and going to court he ran away on a plane. to me thats not an hnourable way of doing business.
he went through court eventually (was kinda forced to if he ever wanted to visit australia) and has behaved well since and at this point i dont have a problem with him, i was responding to the excuses being made for that serious but isolated mistake he made
yes perhaps not a financial mistake in the end. just a personal one. if he hadnt done that one thing (and had done it right through the courts in the first place) imagine how universally people would be impressed by hiim and whats hes done.
September 4th 2012 @ 12:52pm
mania said | September 4th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
dont really have a point soapit.
sure he’s pssed ppl off for not behaving “honourable” in your eyes (totally subjective and u cant eat honour) but must say that it turned out really well for him. not only did he avoid all the time and money spent in the courts he’s making loads of money now. more than he was offered by the doggies or he ever could’ve hoped to have earnt in NRL.
if i had a point it would be that in retrospect he made the exact right decision to walk out. all worked out well in the end
September 4th 2012 @ 1:21pm
soapit said | September 4th 2012 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
i would only say except that he wouldnt have people constantly questioning his loyalty credentials instead of talking about his football.
i would think that would be something he’d like to have (probably not in exchange for all the cash though)
oh and honour is subjective but taking off from your employers and team mate in the middle of the night without a word is not cool in most peoples books i would say.
September 4th 2012 @ 11:01am
AussieKiwi said | September 4th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
He was the youngest player ever signed by the Bulldogs in 2004, a boy not a man, and they ripped him off good and proper with the five year contract. This was pre Nasser and his so called manager let him down. There are laws which permit the setting aside of unfair contracts.
September 4th 2012 @ 11:29am
soapit said | September 4th 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
he didnt leave in 2004 so whatever age he was then is completely irrelevant.
i agree his management let him down and there are court processes for these things but he took the easy way out and just left the country rather than make use of those processes.
September 4th 2012 @ 12:32pm
mania said | September 4th 2012 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
soapit – in retrospect he made the right choice. instead of going thru a long drawn out court proceeding he cut n run. he may have pssed off some sydney siders but i’m sure thats foremost in his mind on his way to the bank
September 4th 2012 @ 12:41pm
soapit said | September 4th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
see above mate. right choice to leave, wrong way to go about it.
September 4th 2012 @ 12:52pm
soapit said | September 4th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
just to expand, its not just that he pissed off some sydney people. its that 4 years later he’s still having questions raised about agreements he’s made and about his loyalty despite being a model team man since then as far as i can tell.
you’re right the dollars probably do compensate.
September 4th 2012 @ 9:22am
AussieKiwi said | September 4th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
I guess that’s why the Chiefs players voted him players’ player of 2012 and both the Chiefs and the ABs coaches have thanked him and expressed the hope that he will play for them again in future.
September 4th 2012 @ 9:14am
Bakkies said | September 4th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
The Tahs need to develop a flyhalf. The last one they tried to develop ended up playing fullback for the Wallabies and is now at the Rebels. Edmonds (ACT), Barnes were brought from outside of NSW, SNK and Halangahu were signed from the Brumbies HPU. Not many have actually come from within their set up and become a Tahs regular.
September 4th 2012 @ 11:05am
jeznez said | September 4th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Foley looks the most likely there. He played at 10 in his debut back in 2011, spent most of last season at FB to protect him but had been moved into the 10 shirt by seasons end.
Sam Lane appears likely to sign with the Tahs based on news reports this morning and Barnes will still be in the mix as well.
Halfback is being boosted as well with Hart still in the squad from last year and Matt Lucas being brought in as well. Am not sure on where McKibbin and Pretorius have wound up and if that means there will be four halfbacks and three flyhalfs in the squad next year.
September 4th 2012 @ 1:24pm
jameswm said | September 4th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
I saw Matt Lucas at the U20s and was wholly unimpressed. For starters, he doesn’t have a bullet pass to both sides. That’s like a prop who can’t scrum.
September 4th 2012 @ 2:31pm
jeznez said | September 4th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
I haven’t seen him play james so will have to take your word for it. I guess that is going to mean a lot is riding on Grayson then.