No clouds for Sydney as Del Piero becomes Sky Blue
By Katie Lambeski, 10 Sep 2012 Katie Lambeski is a Roar Guru
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Del Piero has signed with Sydney FC (Image: AFP)
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A remarkable moment for the A-League came late last week with Sydney FC announcing the signature of Italian great Alessandro Del Piero to a two-year deal.
Unarguably, this is the biggest signing in the A-League’s short history. As good as the signings of Harry Kewell and Brett Emerton were; this is on another level.
It began as an audacious project by Sydney FC CEO Tony Pignata and influential player agent Lou Sticca, and one I didn’t think would be possible.
The club was rumoured to have beaten Liverpool, Celtic, clubs in the Middle East and the US to the former Juventus man’s signature.
What the signing of Del Piero can do locally is get the portion of the football-loving public that never embraced the A-League (also known as Eurosnobs) to think twice about the quality of their own league.
It can also help give some international exposure to games: Sydney FC trended worldwide on Twitter the night he signed, and overseas media outlets jumped on the story the next day.
There was also talk of Sydney FC games being shown live into Italy via its Sky channel, something that only a signing like Del Piero could have done.
A case example in this is the exposure and benefits of the David Beckham deal with LA Galaxy, an area where the A-League can learn from the MLS. This can put the league on an international map where not many players could.
The day after (even though the press conference was at 10pm), the Daily Tele had Del Piero splashed on front and back pages, even teaming with the Italian theme and offering a cookbook with it.
One thing that struck me throughout his press conference and an interview with Fox Sports’ Daniel Garb is how committed he was to Sydney FC and how serious he was about the move. The deal is for two years with an option for a third, with $2 million a season.
He has made his respect for Australian football clear, remarking on our national team, and seems genuinely excited about his new world. What also endears me to the new Sydney No. 10 (apart from being a legend) is that his dealings with Sydney weren’t a drawn-out saga. It is a sign that he wants to be here and wants to have a lasting effect on the game.
The challenge for Sydney FC is to keep the gates ticking through once Del Piero retires from the club. There has to be a long-term strategy and engagement that keeps the bling, and the football to match it. The club won’t grow to the full potential it has if this signing isn’t capitalised upon.
What is positive is that a football person in Tony Pignata, now heads the club. In a short space of time, Pignata has made some positive calls already. Witness the move to allow free public transport to games with memberships, a great initiative to help get Sydneysiders through the gates.
Where Del Piero plays and what he can offer on the pitch will cause some conjecture for Ian Crook and a fickle, demanding Sydney supporter base. Del Piero played a part in a side that captured the Scudetto undefeated over a long, cold season. Playing in a warmer climate and a shorter season can only see him perform at his top standard. I can see him deployed next to or in behind new recruit Krunoslav Lovrek, but it all depends on the football Crook will demand.
Delivering a signing like this is a great step and a welcome boost ahead of a massive season. Now we just sit and wait…
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September 10th 2012 @ 9:05am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Nice summary, Katie – after a few years of cloudy skies, football’s True Believers are slowly starting to see some blue sky re-emerging.
Today, in the Financial Review, John Stensholt discusses: “Del Piero has flow-on effect for Australian soccer”.
The HUGE impact – beyond Australia’s borders – of Del Piero’s signing can be evidenced by this amazing statistic:
“Last Wednesday at about 10.45pm, after Del Piero’s signing had been announced, ~44% of traffic on A-League websites was from Italy.”
With internet-broadcast rights likely to exceed traditional tv broadcast rights within the next 5-8 years, it’s important for HAL to strive be the best football league in the Asian time-zone.
Read more: http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/sport/del_piero_has_flow_on_effect_for_uyb6vOl1lFryWkEXuBJP6J
September 10th 2012 @ 9:48am
Matt F said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Apparently Fox Sports News had record ratings for his press conference, which didn’t start until about 9:30 or so and wasn’t in English (though they did try and translate bits of it in the studio.)
September 10th 2012 @ 11:32am
Punter said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
As I have said many times, anybody judging the popularity of football in this country basically on the following of the A-League is truly not understanding the world wiide appeal of the game. There are many football fans who don’t follow the A-League for a varying reasons. One of the most trodden out line is ‘the A-League is not the top competition’. There is only 1 to 3 leagues over the last 20 years that can lay claim to being the best & there are over 200 countries with a national football competition.
Hopefully this signing can drag a few more to the A-League.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:36am
Matt F said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
From speaking to some of my friends, who could certainly be described as “eurosnobs” they are certainly going to check out some SFC games this season. Some are even talking about SFC memberships.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:49am
Punter said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Exactly!!! I have a few who jumped on board last year after Kewell & Emerton & even more are talking about this year. these sort of signings can only help build the brand & as Katie says in post, the job is to keep them following the game & with better administrators like Tony, I am confident.
September 10th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Matt F said | September 10th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Yeah it’s hard not to be impressed with Tony so far!
September 10th 2012 @ 8:15pm
c said | September 10th 2012 @ 8:15pm | Report comment
i was most impressed with Fox Sports News one hour live telecast from turin in italian. in fact i find it highly irregular. can anyone explain to me their reasons for doing this ?
September 11th 2012 @ 11:09am
Simmo said | September 11th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
showing their commitment to the A-League while engaged in negotiations for the TV rights? Apparently there was also a fox sports exec in Turin at the presser, though that might be more to do with Fox Sports being one of the sponsors for the ADP deal with Sydney…
September 10th 2012 @ 10:38am
nordster said | September 10th 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Nice link
September 10th 2012 @ 12:36pm
me, I like football said | September 10th 2012 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
There was certainly a peak.
http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=400&h=220&o=f&c=1&y=r&b=ffffff&n=666666&r=1m&u=footballaustralia.com.au&
September 10th 2012 @ 4:10pm
TC said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:10pm | Report comment
This has no basis in truth. Thanks, Roar Mods.
September 11th 2012 @ 1:48pm
phutbol said | September 11th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Does anyone know what the percentage in that graph is of? ie. is it .006% of Australias population, of available bandwidth, internet accounts?
Anyone?
September 11th 2012 @ 2:33pm
TC said | September 11th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
phutbol
You are not allowed to look at that or even think about it. It’s completely off-limits.
Just be happy that 44% (of an unknown number) of people accessing the FFA website were from Italy.
That’s enough information.
That’s all you need to know.
You must not expand on that in any way, shape or form.
To seek clarification or elaboration is expressly forbidden.
Be happy with that single number: 44%. That’s all you need to know. 44%.
TC
September 12th 2012 @ 1:14pm
me, I like football said | September 12th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
It’s an “Estimated percentage of global internet users who visit footballaustralia.com.au”
September 12th 2012 @ 1:22pm
TC said | September 12th 2012 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
milf
So if there are one billion global internet users during a 24 hour period (for argument’s sake), then the 0.002% equates to 20,000, and the 0.006% equates to 60,000.
Is that correct?
And 44% of the 60,000 were from Italy, or 26,400.
Is that right?
So of the 40,000 increase, 26,400 were Italians and 13,600 were Australians (or from other parts of the world).
Is that roughly the order of numbers of what we are looking at?
Or is that one billion starting number much greater??
I’m actually quite curious about how it all works, and would like to be enlightened.
Cheers
TC
September 12th 2012 @ 1:33pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 12th 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
According to http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm there are estimated to be 2.3 billion internet users in the world.
September 12th 2012 @ 4:49pm
me, I like football said | September 12th 2012 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
TC, your maths looks right even if the number of internet users is wrong.
here is more detail data of the website
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/footballaustralia.com.au#
I only copied the graph link due to wanting to show the peak over a month and not the 7 day default graph that the main link gives you.
September 12th 2012 @ 4:58pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 12th 2012 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
m,ilf
Thanks for that website – very interesting resource.
I had to include the “audience snapshot” for FFA & AFL websites … it’s just too good to keep to myself:
Based on internet averages:
a) footballaustralia.com.au is visited more frequently by males who are in the age range 25-34 and are college educated.
b) afl.com.au is visited more frequently by males who have no college education.
September 12th 2012 @ 7:22pm
TC said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:22pm | Report comment
I’m more a numbers man than a words man, so I rather enjoy sifting through these stats.
The AFL is ranked 4,941 while the Australian Government is ranked 16,958.
I rather like the idea that we put sport ahead of our Government – it seems so Australia.
USFooty is ranked a very low 1,967,806, but that is actually higher than the WA Football Commission at 2,148,338.
September 12th 2012 @ 7:35pm
Titus said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:35pm | Report comment
Arena Football League is pretty big TC.
September 10th 2012 @ 12:40pm
Stevo said | September 10th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
Yep, you just need to look at the posts left in Italian to realise that the HAL has reached beyond the shores of Oz.
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/iannantuono-opinion-display/What-makes-a-good-marquee/48875
Staggering really coz this is surely a massive steup up from the NSL – me thinks.
September 10th 2012 @ 1:47pm
Katie Lambeski said | September 10th 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
have loved the exposure this has gotten worldwide, only a name like Del Piero would provide this…
September 10th 2012 @ 9:28am
Katie Lambeski said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
thanks for sharing the link Fuss, great stuff…exciting times ahead and completely agree with this: “With internet-broadcast rights likely to exceed traditional tv broadcast rights within the next 5-8 years, it’s important for HAL to strive be the best football league in the Asian time-zone”
September 10th 2012 @ 9:35am
Futbanous said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
“it’s important for HAL to strive be the best football league in the Asian time-zone”
Profound statement.
Focus on that,make it the mantra,mission statement for the A-league & the rest will follow,Del Piero being one more step in acheiving this.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:15am
Neil said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
The only thing that can stop the signing of Alessandro Del Piero being an outstanding success at Sydney FC is if he is unable to get on the pitch due to a serious injury. Alessandro Del Piero has been free from serious injury, so of course I’m hoping this continues.
“it’s important for HAL to strive be the best football league in the Asian time-zone”
We can only become the best Football League in the Asian time zone if we get rid of the salary cap or substantially weaken it – say allowing every club to have 6 players whose salaries are not part of any salary cap. The sooner we do something like this, the better in my opinion.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:32am
Matt F said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
Most clubs aren’t exactly flush with cash at the moment. It’s important that we ensure the long-term viability of the clubs first and get them on sound financial footing. Hopefully the TV deal will allow this to happen and maybe even a little increase in the salary cap but let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves yet. I like your idea but I think that we’re still a little way off achieving that at the moment. We’ve had enough clubs fold in the A-League so far.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:43am
Punter said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Football is growing both in Japan & especially China, if they continue to grow as expected & you can see alot of EPL teams talking about China, Japan & even India, shows the potential there so we will struggle against those countries financially. But they could use the A-League to show case their talents to these potentially bigger leagues in Asia.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:35am
Katie Lambeski said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
hi Neil…he should be right to go and perform, the A-League fixture and warmer climate will allow that and hopefully help prevent any injuries. Disagree on the salary cap, part of the pull of the A-League is how even and unpredictable it is. And it also allows for great teams, see Brisbane Roar
September 11th 2012 @ 1:50pm
phutbol said | September 11th 2012 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
Dont think he’s talking about a soft tissue injury there Katie. More like getting scythed down by Ben Sigmund in the first game in Wellington….
Sorry Ben, you’re just the first meathead from Phoenix i could think of
September 10th 2012 @ 11:42am
nordster said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Thankfully there are a couple of salary cap exempt spots already. If they remove the floor, it will nullify the level playing field rationale for keeping the cap. So next step, it will hopefully go altogether. People in australia dont realise what a dud they are being sold with salary caps. Especially fans of the super clubs with Asian ambitions. (None of those in other sports, granted.) And folks from regional areas who never get a chance at promotion to top flight, as second divs dont work well with salary cap/floor systems.
September 10th 2012 @ 1:09pm
JH said | September 10th 2012 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
I read somewhere that the salary cap only works when there is no competition from other leagues or other sports.
Salary cap is great for the AFL. If you play Australian Football, there is no other sport like it and not other professional league in the world.
League has to compete with union as well as super league in England. Soccer has much better paid leagues acrosss Asia, Americas and Europe if you’re good enough. Union don’t have a salary cap so no worries there.
September 10th 2012 @ 2:51pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 10th 2012 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Salary caps exist to keep clubs solvent.
The VFL didnt used to have them, and by some estimates five of the 12 clubs were insolvent in the early 1980s. The WAFL also went broke at least once.
Clubs going broke disrupts the league – as has already happened a couple of times in the A-League.
Its even worse if they dont own real assets, like thieir own grounds.
Now, this is likely to happen again in Australia anyway, with the owner of the Hunter Sports Group being seemingly unable to pay his debts as and when they become due, and the implications of this for the Newcastle Jets should be pretty obvious.
But theres no reason to make the problems worse by handing clubs the rope they will use to hang themselves.
September 10th 2012 @ 2:56pm
nordster said | September 10th 2012 @ 2:56pm | Report comment
“Salary caps exist to keep clubs solvent”
Ok so why aren’t ALL european teams collapsed, rather than just a couple. Which is the natural consequence of being poorly managed. Something u cannot regulate out of the business of sport, no matter how hard u tried.
September 10th 2012 @ 7:38pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 10th 2012 @ 7:38pm | Report comment
Nordster,
So, you havent been paying attention to how FIFA is taking steps to ensure all European clubs dont collapse, as foreshadowed by threatened player strikes in Spain and Italy on the issue of ensuring players get paid when teams go broke (*) – specifically, the debate around the FIFA Financial Fair Play rules.
Bluntly, as well as helping ensure clubs dont go broke, a salary cap ensures an even competition.
As well as helping ensure clubs dont go broke, FIFA’s FFP rules ensure no upstart clubs will challenge the existing powers.
You can tell which side I’m on, huh ?
(*) Before selling out to Hunter Sports Group, the management of the Newcastle Knights ensured HSG put the money to do this into a trust account. The Newcastle Jets didnt.
September 10th 2012 @ 9:08pm
nordster said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:08pm | Report comment
Ian, i think there are other reasons why some clubs can’t pay their players in europe, now especially with higher taxes and other squeezes on their traditional sources of income and benefaction. It isnt the absence of a salary cap sending them broke.
And the thought of ensuring an “even competition” …are u aware of the inherent illogical nature of that statement. Especially a sporting competition. Ensuring an “even competition” read that again. That is fixed for maximising tv entertainment and revenue? Lol…
September 10th 2012 @ 9:24pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:24pm | Report comment
Nordster,
I know exactly what Im talking about.
Lets take as our frame of reference the Port Adelaide Power.
How many footy clubs – any code, if it has two teams and a ball it counts – in Spain or Italy have better average crowds, sponsorship revenue and television revenue than Port Adelaide ?
Now, the Spanish and Italian football leagues made the mistake of following the open slather model. How many teams there are doing better than Pooooort, the second club in the fifth city in Australia ?
September 10th 2012 @ 9:29pm
Punter said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:29pm | Report comment
I can think of many clubs in both Italy & Spain doing better than Port Adelaide. the question is how many people in Spain or Italy even know what Port Adelaide is? That is the difference.
September 10th 2012 @ 9:36pm
nordster said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:36pm | Report comment
I’d need to understand the Port reference better to answer i guess. That isn’t a copout btw.
The “open slather” model allows teams to at least (in theory) spend more like what they can afford. Yes in theory… clubs which fail to do this should be subject to some degree of commercial reality if they are expected to operate like a business.
After all, the only way it is possible under the Aussie capped systems to ensure viability and defy the laws of what a club should be able to afford is ….. through centralised payments to prop up unsustainable clubs, of course. Under the capped system clubs are artificially kept spending above their means (on wages) by income redistribution.
Not all sports operate that way. It is very messy in a multi division league to do it. Maybe in AFL it works as the top clubs have nowhere else to compete with so need to keep their rivals artificially at their level.
I think we are coming at this from polar opposites.
September 10th 2012 @ 9:51pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 10th 2012 @ 9:51pm | Report comment
My question …
How many football fans in Spain or Italy would know Port Adelaide exists? Heck, it’s highly likely Port Adelaide will cease to exist in the minds of Aussies within the next few years.
Whilst no one outside AFL would give a stuff about Port Adelaide …
… the names of La Liga & Serie A clubs roll off the tongues of AFL fans. Why?
Because La Liga & Serie A clubs have global reach & global awareness … which means their brands are familiar to the NON-football community in Australia.
September 11th 2012 @ 2:58pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 11th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
“How many football fans in Spain or Italy would know Port Adelaide exists?” – how many would even know that the city of Adelaide exists? My experience is that they know very little of Australia, period. Don’t know, and aren’t really fussed about knowing.
September 10th 2012 @ 3:04pm
nordster said | September 10th 2012 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
JH: yeah i think that is partly right. It certainly is better suited to those types of sports. Football here would be better off being more like the rest of the football economy elsewhere in the world. Everyone might not get their turn at winning, but hey thats life …as in football etc…
For me its a case of being robbed of watching a real sporting league, rather than the contrived “level playing fields” we get served up here with salary caps. Its amazing people admit this is the rationale, yet still accept it as equal or better than say european football.
September 10th 2012 @ 3:16pm
Matt F said | September 10th 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
It works in other leagues around the world (though some clubs have some serious debt mounting up) because there are other things to keep fans of the “also-ran” clubs (for lack of a better word) interested. Domestic cup competitions, continental (both Champions League, ACL, Copa Libertadores, Europe League etc) spots and, most importantly, promotion and relegation all help to keep the interest of the fans of many clubs who can’t win the main league in their respective country. Until all of these things are in place in Australia (if they ever are) then there is really nothing to keep fans of the poorer clubs, who will be anchored to the bottom, interested. Look at how much crowds drop off for teams when they have bad seasons. Imagine if a club was anchored down the bottom forever because it couldn’t afford to spend the same as the rest?
Besides, the fact that the Victory are the only club in the A-League to turn a profit would indicate that, even without a salary cap, clubs can’t afford to spend much more anyway.
September 10th 2012 @ 3:30pm
nordster said | September 10th 2012 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
Chicken or the egg haha… reform the labour restrictions aka salary cap and bring second division at the same time, and cups. Ambitious yes, at least it is a base for the future.
The issue is not to spend more, though MV maybe could. Its to be able to spend less….or just whatever each individual club can afford to spend in their own planning. Now they have an 80pc floor to stay above and some may need to go way below that for a season or two, should it come to that. Better that than be pushed out the back door like NQ was. The salary floor is probably a part of what killed off that club. Happy to be corrected, but didnt they propose running a more bare bones, youth team as a backup plan.
September 10th 2012 @ 3:56pm
Matt F said | September 10th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
I don’t have an issue with removing the salary floor. If a club doesn’t have good enough players then it shouldn’t be forced to pay them more than they deserve. That being said if a club can’t afford to meet the current salary cap then you would have to question what it’s doing in the A-League in the first place. I’m not sure if the Fury proposed something like that but it wouldn’t surprise me if they did.
If we ever get a promotion/relegation system in Australia we’d need to get rid of the cap at the same time (if not a year or so before.) It would be ludicrous to have a system designed to punish those who finish near the bottom whilst also having a sytem in place to restrict the ability of some clubs to attract the best players.
September 10th 2012 @ 4:11pm
nordster said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
Should the salary cap define who can and cant play in the league to such a degree? So just because they can only meet say less than the $1m mark even, maybe radically lower, why does that make them undeserving of a spot? As opposed to around the 2m mark or more. It would be better they had a youth team than no team at all. The tv money would meet their travel costs, maybe? There’s more to it of course but how much did the salary cap minimum affect NQ’s demise? Would a youth team be viable even if it broke the regulations?
September 10th 2012 @ 4:22pm
Matt F said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
I would imagine that there are a number of criteria that clubs need to meet to get and retain their A-League license from the FFA. One of them would surely be financial viability. If they can’t afford to get near their salary cap (keep in mind it’s not a very big one compared to other sports in this coutnry and a fair bit below what many other countries are paying the players in their respective leagues) then you would have to question their viability as an organisation. Clearly only having youth players (or senior players on minimum wage) doesn’t meet the FFA’s criteria.
September 10th 2012 @ 2:27pm
Dave said | September 10th 2012 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
I think most people agree the HAL has improved every season so far. Until the time comes that there is no longer any obvious improvement year on year, then might be the time to look at increasing the cap. Until then, it’ll be good in the long run for the clubs to be forced into greater and greater efficiencies and looking for ways to improve without just relying on buying a better player.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:48am
Bondy. said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
I dont think Ale considered the other bids I think he grabbed the Mrs and said QF flight whatever here we come.This off season has been as the kids say ‘HECTIC” i’m exhausted, and with the potential tv contract around the corner big numbers viewing and attending bodes well for the HAL.
September 10th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Midfielder said | September 10th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
The thing that strikes me from what I have read is he is a very decent person and that in this day and age does go down well.
September 10th 2012 @ 1:49pm
Katie Lambeski said | September 10th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
they are a rare breed these days, midfielder
September 10th 2012 @ 11:34pm
Minister for Information for the Democratic People's Republic of Football said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:34pm | Report comment
Not that rare Katie.
Very good article by the way.
September 11th 2012 @ 9:58am
Katie Lambeski said | September 11th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
thanks, Minister
September 10th 2012 @ 3:18pm
Futbanous said | September 10th 2012 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
He may not be a world superstar ,but Thomas Broich & 5 others have just extended their contract with the Roar. Good news for Roar fans.
“Veteran defender Shane Stefanutto has signed a one-year extension, taking him to the end of the 2013/14 season.
A-League Championship-winning skipper Smith, Henrique, who has just applied for Australian permanent residency, and Franjic have committed for an additional three years until 2015/16 season.
Reigning Hyundai A-League Johnny Warren medallist Broich and three-time A-League Goalkeeper of the Year Michael Theo have signed massive four year extensions and will play for Brisbane Roar until at least the end of the 2016/17 campaign. ”
from this article:-
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/250417,broich-among-six-roar-re-signings.aspx
ADP signing for 2 years, Marcos Flores 2 years, all bodes well for the A-League generally.
September 10th 2012 @ 3:32pm
Bondy. said | September 10th 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
Good news Futbanous.
September 10th 2012 @ 3:41pm
Punter said | September 10th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Broich IMO is the best A-League player in it’s history, based on playing ability not reputation, just ahead of Carlos.
September 10th 2012 @ 4:11pm
Futbanous said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
How important to the Roar?
Consider the 2 Grand Finals we have won recently.
2011- 2-0 down minutes to go,Broich passes to Henrique-goal
Broich takes corner last minute Paartalu heads in.
Setting up the penalty shootout,that Henrique ties the match up for Roar.
2012-1-0 down,Broich takes free,curls it straight onto Berisha’s noggin-goal.
Minutes to go,Broich passes to Berisha, he battles through defenders-Penalty.
Berisha scores to seal victory.
September 10th 2012 @ 4:18pm
Futbanous said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
Correction 2012 not free kick, Thomas curls it in from open play.
September 10th 2012 @ 4:35pm
Bondy. said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:35pm | Report comment
Good business by the owner Fut.
September 10th 2012 @ 4:29pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:29pm | Report comment
Really looking forward to giving your mob a warm welcome to Perth in a few weeks Futbanous.
September 10th 2012 @ 5:09pm
Futbanous said | September 10th 2012 @ 5:09pm | Report comment
Yes a tasty match indeed. Expect to see mock diving platforms set up around the ground with Besart Berisha look alikes standing on the edge.
Then again maybe more appropriate ,the half time entertainment can be run by Liam Miller singing his latest release “Chasing Shadows” . His last song “I missed the boat” was a bit of a flop apparently.
September 10th 2012 @ 6:06pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | September 10th 2012 @ 6:06pm | Report comment
Oh there will be plenty of songs being sung,all above board of course
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September 10th 2012 @ 3:56pm
Katie Lambeski said | September 10th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
some awesome news for the Roar and the league, Brisbane the benchmark of the comp
September 10th 2012 @ 4:12pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
Melbourne Victory just cracked 15,000 members as well.A Manager that the fans believe in can be just as important as a marquee it would seem.
September 10th 2012 @ 4:30pm
Punter said | September 10th 2012 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
Impressive figures. Think Newcastle over 10K & Sydney over 7K.
September 10th 2012 @ 10:52pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 10th 2012 @ 10:52pm | Report comment
Nordster and Fussball are clearly unaware the #1 concern of a professional footy player is “Do I get paid this week”.
Without this being maintained you dont have a professional footy team.
When Hunter Sports Group stop covering cheques – and it’s when not if at this point, given Newcastle FOB is at $90 and change – you’ll see why this is important later.
Regarding the very important fact of whether La Liga clubs can keep making payroll, I’d like Fussball to make me an argument that – without the salary caps and revenue sharing that I champion and he hates – any La Liga club that isnt Barca or Real is currently more solvent than Poooort.
For those of you watching, Fussball wont do this, as, well, his response to facts he doesnt like is to jam his fingers in his ears, scream abuse (*) and accuse people of not liking footy.
Nordster, the reason the A-League doesnt do open slather is it’s an appalling way to support a code. Generally, in association football you have two healthy clubs per league (**), and association football in Australian just cant afford that, as sponsors, fans and players have plenty of other options. In addition, local banks by and large wont die in a ditch to support the unsustainable debts of a footy club, in the same way they will, can and do in, say, Spain or Italy.
(*) Fussball, you’re still a reprehensible piece of slime over the Darren Millane crack. You owe an apology, before I start looking up Manchester youth players with fast cars – Millane was driving too fast with too much to drink, but he only killed himself.
(**) If you’re holding up Spain and Italy as good examples, its a good idea not start talking tax and footy teams, mkay ? I have some tiny, teensy weensy-clues about where the bodies are buried.
September 11th 2012 @ 12:06am
nordster said | September 11th 2012 @ 12:06am | Report comment
Yes, lets talk tax and footy teams and why government needs to reduce the tax burden on footy teams and other businesses
Have a guess where i stand on that one hehehe…
Players should not just worry bout being paid, but whether the structure of their profession is such that it enables a freer market model. Which according to many of my favourite reads, is a far more prosperous system in the long run. I wont go there though!
September 11th 2012 @ 12:55am
Ian Whitchurch said | September 11th 2012 @ 12:55am | Report comment
Nordster,
Im not exaggerating when I say the only thing between what happened to Rangers and half of La Liga is the Spanish tax department deciding they dont have to pay the taxes they owe.
Go read this.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sam-wallace-spanish-clubs-unpaid-tax-bills-are-a-disgrace–and-a-warning-to-all-7576759.html
Its a similar story in Italy.
Allowing clubs to spend beyond their means is a Really. Bad. Idea. Multiple teams at multiple times in multiple places across multiple codes show that clubs will happily and simultaneously bankrupt themselves to get to the promised land of ‘And we win the league, and then crowds come watch us, sponsorship pours in and we’re ok’.
You can be a damned fool and join Fussball in destroying the A-League by adopting this failed model if you want, but, me, I like association football, and would like a professional competition to exist in Australia in twenty years time.
September 11th 2012 @ 9:31am
nordster said | September 11th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Yet salary caps Force some teams beyond their true means in so far as wage spend goes with the use of a floor or minimum ‘cap’ …this is only viable with the use of centralised redistributive payments. I call that socialism or at least central planning. Too much like the failed policies of the rest of the economy.
The way to deal with debt and tax issues is to deal with debt and tax, not by enforcing wage price fixing through salary caps. The economy generally gets flooded by easy cheap credit, football clubs binge on this and it is as destructive to them as other business. Deal with tax not being paid by….reducing their tax burdens and the size of government more generally. Yes i know i am veering off, but the issues are connected.
September 10th 2012 @ 11:50pm
Minister for Information for the Democratic People's Republic of Football said | September 10th 2012 @ 11:50pm | Report comment
Wow , I can feel the love.
As has been mentioned above I also believe the salary cap has to stay until we have two divisions in place in Australia. With the marquee system it’s already uneven enough as only clubs with deep pockets and high ambitions will be likey to attract the Del Pieros of the world.
One day there might be promotion and relegation between divisions then it should be looked at to see if it’s feasable.
In the meantime those clubs with massive plans on conquering Asia and feel restricted by the cap will just have to splash out on some serious high caliber, top-shelf marquees and combine them with kids and half-decent local workhorses (which is actually done in leagues all over the world).
September 11th 2012 @ 1:00am
Ian Whitchurch said | September 11th 2012 @ 1:00am | Report comment
Alternatively, they can plan for the long term and rather than p.ssing money against a wall on overpriced has-beens can concentrate on finding and developing talent.
Del Piero will be as successful as Kewell, in that the club that hires him wont be doing anything worth mentioning in Asia or anywhere else.
September 11th 2012 @ 2:56pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | September 11th 2012 @ 2:56pm | Report comment
Kewell couldn’t have made Melbourne Victory millions of dollars from Exhibition matches in Asia or even Italy though.Sydney are going to make millions off this,which can be used to be put into youth development.
September 11th 2012 @ 1:12am
Ian Whitchurch said | September 11th 2012 @ 1:12am | Report comment
Punter,
Go ahead. Name them. In the wreckage that is La Liga and Serie A, name me clubs that have less general debt, less debt to the tax office, better average crowds, better off field income and more assets than the financially weakest team in the AFL, the second team from Australia’s fifth city.
Yup. Theres the obvious handful. But go a step down from that, and its a disaster area.
But you wont list them, because its easier to bluff and lie and bluster about a model based on ‘And then someone gives us a whole pile of money and we’re OK’.
This comes to the pointy end with the Newcastle Jets, of course, as Mirvac has just got a court order against Ocean Street and Buildev … and if you think the Jets are anywhere important against Mr Tinklers horses or his rugby league team, well, reality is about to cross the ball into the six yard box.
September 11th 2012 @ 5:51am
Bondy. said | September 11th 2012 @ 5:51am | Report comment
Ian relax have a scotch or something ,the sports not meant to make sense.
September 11th 2012 @ 6:27am
Punter said | September 11th 2012 @ 6:27am | Report comment
Most big clubs in he world are in debt, not just Italy & Spain, but every one of those clubs has bigger revenue than any AFL side, has bigger off field income, known better world wide, more people around the world know Adelaide & Sydney FC than any AFL side. I have acknowledged many times the AFL has great crowds, up there with the best in the world. the AFl is well run, but very limited to a very small country (financially) as far as opportunity to grow goes. Del Piero will sell more Sydney FC shirts than every AFL club in Australia.
I think you understand the power of this game & the potential of Del Piero & this is why you spent so much of your time putting both down.
September 11th 2012 @ 3:09pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 11th 2012 @ 3:09pm | Report comment
Punter,
I think that sort of paranoid lashing out is a major reason why association football will remain the sleeping giant of Australian sport, as people like you actively force away anyone but the purest of the pure.
Now, La Liga and Serie A clubs in a worse financial position than Poooort, please – ideally with numbers for debt vs match day and television revenue ( ie Osasuna isnt one of them – E7m match, E14m TV and E5m commercial revenue, as against a E28m tax debt, E30m short term and E39m long term debt. On the plus side – and its a decently big plus – they own their stadium).
You said there were lots of them. Back it up.
http://swissramble.blogspot.com.au/ for the full numbers for La Liga. Its ugly.
But yeah, Del Piero will be as successful as Kewell – he wont bring in crowds, he wont bring in sponsorships and he wont help his club win the league.
September 11th 2012 @ 3:49pm
Punter said | September 11th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
We are no longer the sleeping giant of the Australian sport & if you want proof of that take a look at the mainstream media’s reaction to some crowd troubles in our sport a few weeks ago, the giant has awoken & yes there are some wobbly steps, but there are some solid steps too.
While the AFL has & always will have a strong standing in the southern states in Australia, I can understand why you and your AFL cohorts would want to bring the giant back down again.
I love most sports too, but the difference between us is I don’t need to knock the sports I don’t like, maybe because I follow the world’s most popular sport & don’t have insecurities.
September 11th 2012 @ 4:00pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 11th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
Punter,
Again, you’re making the mistake of confusing knocking the administration of a code and knocking decisions individual teams make with knocking the code itself.
Regarding your paranoia about “AFL cohorts”, the A-League wasnt moved until after the other footy codes were done with their finals because someone got drunk at an office party. It was moved so that A-League clubs could *recruit* AFL and rugby league fans who wanted a sport to follow over the summer when their usual footy had stopped.
It was an excellent move.
Regrettably, people like yourself and Fussball go out of your way to make the sport you love as unwelcome a place as possible to people who also like other sports.
In short, its not just paranoia. Its self-destructive paranoia.
September 11th 2012 @ 4:06pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 11th 2012 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
Ok, Ian, I get it …
1. Del Piero will be a flop – on the pitch, off-the pitch and won’t help the HAL.
2. The HAL clubs are all going to wither away and die.
Happy?
Now how about you go back to discussing your wonderful, perfectly administered, best sport in the world (that the world doesn’t give a stuff about) and leave us to discuss our nothing sport & nothing league?
September 11th 2012 @ 5:15pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 11th 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
Fussball,
The problem is that HAL clubs probably wont wither up and die. They are far more likely to blow up, damaging the league – you know, like what happened to Gold Coast United, the New Zealand Knights and North Queensland Fury, and what is happening in stop-motion with the Newcastle Jets.
Ensuring this doesnt happen should be a priority for the entire league – acting like a league, with a common goal and a common purpose, will be more likely to strengthen the code as a whole, and then all the individual clubs can prosper.
At the moment, the A-League is in the Geoffrey Edelsten/Christopher Skase era of private owners, instability and boom and bust. If it can get on an even keel, then I can see people looking back uncomprehending at an era where good young kids routinely left Australia to play in the second- and third divisions of Europe, and when a crowd of 12 000 was seen as a good afternoon’s attendance.
September 11th 2012 @ 6:02pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 11th 2012 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
Ian Whitchurch
Can you name 10 ex-HAL players, who are in the 2nd & 3rd divisions of Europe? I can name 10 ex-HAL players, who are contracted to teams in the 1st Divisions of Europe.
Anyway – it doesn’t matter any more. HAL is about to blow up – on its last legs.
Terrible competition. Uncompetitive teams, 50% of clubs close to insolvency living of gambling addicts, no one seems to want to discuss the sport, even though we’re in the middle of finals …
ooops … that’s AFL not football!
September 11th 2012 @ 9:36am
nordster said | September 11th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
General debt is an economy wide issue Ian. It is more of a problem in Europe absolutely…. That is private and public debt. It is a broader trend. You dont solve the problems of easy access to debt or high taxes with a salary cap….
September 11th 2012 @ 2:13pm
Griffo said | September 11th 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
Tinkler has cash flow issues, there is no doubt. The wealth is mostly paper money used to broker deals to further wealth. Tinkers a risk taker and it has payed off so far but not much recently. Miravac wants $17M, Tinkler tried to get a $28M stake in Blackwood project but couldn’t. They’re the big fish. Small businesses up and down the Hunter are owed money, hundred or low thousands each. Hold off small payments it seems until you can get more cash to pay off or buy more wealth.
Tinkers trying to generate cash by offloading hundreds of horses, even trying to sell Patinak farm business for $200M after outplaying $350M – deal was rejected. Reportedly it costs $500k a week to run the horse stud.
So, I am worried about the Jets future for sure. It has been reported that some Knights staff were owed super but that apparently has been resolved.
To be fair to the Jets they were hours away from going bust: FFA had no cash to help and were looking to offload an 11th team to shore up short term finances, so Tinkler was the white knight at the last moment. The Knights had more time, a (slightly more?) financially secure position, and a bit of hindsight and time dealing with Tinkler to ask and get the $10M or so put away for any rainy days – even that took time to come through.
Maybe the Knights and Jets are higher up the list than horses after all. I hope the cash starts digitally flowing again or the good news of the A-League this year will sour again before the Grand Final.