Andy Murray should be recognised as a Scot, not a Brit
By David Lord, 12 Sep 2012 David Lord is a Roar Expert
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Andy Murray of Britain kisses the trophy after his 7-6, 7-5, 2-6, 3-6, 6-2 win over Novak Djokovic of Serbia during their men's singles final match at the 2012 US Open tennis tournament September 10, 2012 in New York. AFP PHOTO/Stan HONDA
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When will the tennis world recognise Andy Murray as Scottish instead of British?
Yesterday the 25-year-old won his first Slam, an historic day as Scotland’s first grand slam winner, and Great Britain’s first since Fred Perry in 1936.
The scoreline in all forms of media read Andy Murray (GB) defeated Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7-6 7-5 2-6 3-6 6-2.
But it should read Andy Murray (SCO).
In one of sport’s great mysteries, everywhere Murray plays as an individual he has (GB) after his name, as have every other Scot, Englishman, Welsh, and Irish tennis player in history, although I’m at a loss to recall any Welsh or Irish representatives of note.
Which begs the same question, why does Great Britain compete at the Olympic Games, and not individually as Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland as they do at the Commonwealth Games?
The question has been answered over the years, but not with any conviction.
Scottish golfers have won only two major golf championships since World War II – Sandy Lyle, the 1985 British Open, and 1988 Masters champion, with Paul Lawrie the 1999 British Open champion.
Both won their titles with (SCO) after their names.
The same applied to Sir Jackie Stewart when he won three formula one driver’s championship, Stephen Hendry when he won seven world snooker championships, and John Higgins when he won three.
And again with Colin McRae with his three world rally championships, Jim Watt capturing the WBC world lightweight crown, and Jocky Wilson when he won two world darts titles.
But not with cycling legend Sir Chris Hoy.
He won 11 world championship gold medals, and six Olympic golds to be the most successful Olympian of all time representing Great Britain. He has won gold twice as a Scot at the Comm Games, and looks likely to fittingly call halt to his stellar career as a Scot at the 2014 Comm Games in Glasgow.
As for Andy Murray, he generally wears the Scottish thistle on his shirt, but would like to be universally recognised and identified as a Scot on the tennis circuit.
And there’s not one valid reason why that can’t be done.
After all, Martin Laird is identified as a Scot playing in the FedExCup finals, Luke Donald, Lee Westwood, Ian Poulter, and Justin Rose as English, and the world’s number one golfer Rory McIlroy, and Graeme McDowell, from Northern Ireland.
Time to make it right for the first time since 1877.
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September 12th 2012 @ 6:41am
peeeko said | September 12th 2012 @ 6:41am | Report comment
i agree it needs to be cleared up. they should either be one country or completely separate, no picking and choosing. the belgians arent allowed to compete as flemish and Walloons, the spanish are not allowed to compete as basques, catalans and galicians.
Hopefully the Scottish referendum in the next couple of years will see the establishment of a seperate Scottish state.
I dont think that the IOC or united nations or any any country recognise scotland and wales as independant nations
September 13th 2012 @ 5:27pm
Harry said | September 13th 2012 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
In that case they would all compete under the GB/UK tag. FIFA want them to anyway as they are all the same nationality legally (there’s no such thing as a Scottish, English or Welsh passport). The reason they don’t always compete as GB is purely historical based on the fact that they invented and put down the rules for most of the sports they play. This wouldn’t have much of an impact on soccer, or cricket if they played as 1 team, but rugby union would lose a good proportion of its top playing nations if 3 teams became 1 and the commonwealth games would lose a number of teams as England, Scotland, Wales, NI, Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man would create 1 very powerful team and the games would lose a huge number of competitors in numerous sports.
It is very possible to be both Scottish and British, English and British or Welsh and British. It’s a perculiar situation that is unique in the world of sport. By the way it also works the other way, Jenson Button, Lewis Hamilton etc are recognised as British and not English drivers and are supported by F1 fans in Scotland and Wales as much as David Coulthard and Andy Murray are supported by people in England and Wales.
This seems to be written by someone with a huge chip on their shoulder re the English. Until Scotland decide to formally leave the Union (which is by no means certain) Andy Murray is British in much the same way Tim Henman was British.
September 12th 2012 @ 7:47am
Viscount Crouchback said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Why this obsession with pigeon-holing sportsmen? Poor Rory McIlroy is busy publishing open letters on Twitter to get angry Irishmen off his back and now we have the bizarre spectacle of an Antipodean sportswriter lecturing Andy Murray and the international tennis authorities on what his national identity ought to be!
It is very peculiar indeed that, in the aftermath of Murray’s splendid performance to win his first ever Grand Slam, this article should focus not on his magnificent play but on the well-worn (and frankly boring) issue of whether he’s Scottish or British. (Hint: He’s both).
More sport and less amateur sociology please, Mr Lord.
September 12th 2012 @ 7:52am
David Lord said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
Viscount, that’s crap. I’m not lecturing anybody, it’s Andy Murray who would prefer to be identified first and foremost as Scottish, and not British, but tennis refuses to come to the party. Are you Australian? If so, would you like to be identified as Australasian? Like hell.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:14am
Colin N said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
“it’s Andy Murray who would prefer to be identified first and foremost as Scottish, and not British”
Where has he said that?
September 12th 2012 @ 10:39am
mushi said | September 12th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
He came out and said this years ago I think after bowing out of Wimbledon but latter back tracked under a cloud of pretty cyncial commentary on the motives for the turnaround.
September 12th 2012 @ 11:43am
Colin N said | September 12th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Link?
September 12th 2012 @ 3:10pm
mushi said | September 12th 2012 @ 3:10pm | Report comment
There was this quote – it was sometime before wimbeldon and before the who anyone but england joke which from what I’ve seen saw the end of Murray really indentifying himself as scottish at the expense of being consdiered more broadly british
“We Scots have a fierce pride in the things we do that others can never appreciate. I am the British No. 1, but I would prefer to be the British No. 1 from Scotland every time”
September 12th 2012 @ 7:56pm
Colin N said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:56pm | Report comment
Do you have the link for that quote?
September 12th 2012 @ 10:31pm
irvine strang said | September 12th 2012 @ 10:31pm | Report comment
http://www.murraysworld.com/quotes/
September 13th 2012 @ 2:44am
Colin N said | September 13th 2012 @ 2:44am | Report comment
Fair enough.
September 13th 2012 @ 8:58am
Mushi said | September 13th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
I’m last time I checked I’m not your subordinate, so how about next time you use a tiny bit of initiative in lifting your veil of ignorance.
There is this little known website called google. I reckon you start there with a cut and paste of the quote next time.
September 13th 2012 @ 9:13am
Colin N said | September 13th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Ha, a bit hot under the collar?
Anyway, you were the one who presented the point, I was querying where you had seen/heard that quote.
It’s all very well saying, ‘well, I think I heard this somewhere,’ but it’s not really evidence though is it? That’s why I asked for a link – you were the one who made the claim, so it’s therefore up to you to back up where you had seen it.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:20am
Tom Callaghan said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:20am | Report comment
David,
I see that your smiling face appears above a garland emblazoned with the legend ‘Expert’ But your artilce displays no expertise regarding the complexities of British identity. Its perfectly possible for people in these islands to exist on different levels of identity; one can be proud of being from both that multiple gold nmedal winning county,Yorkshire,and England, as well as enjoying a sense of British identity. Your article takes no account of the sense of Britishness expressed and further strengthened by Great Britain’s great success in both the olympic and Paralympic games. There is even less chance now of Scots voting for independence.
Chris Hoy,who you brifly refer to has often expressed his pride in being both Scottish and British and clearly revelled in draping himself in the union flag after triumphing over Australians, Germans, and others in the velodrome this summer.
Perhaps you are aware of all this and merely resurect these issues to play to the gallery of bitterly disappointed Australian sports fans who make up the majority of the ROAR’s readers;perhaps the way ahead for Australian sport is to forge some association with New Zealand; ‘Team Oceania’ would be more successful in future sporting world chamionships. and why not? The Wallabies have been passing off Argentinians and New Zealanders as ‘Australian’ for decades.
But perhaps, as the Viscount suggests,you fancy yourself as a bit of an intellectual but can’t quite produce an article that combines wider themes such as history, sociology, and national identity with sport effectively.
Stick to what you know David. Stick to what you know.
September 12th 2012 @ 10:17am
Andrew C (waikato) said | September 12th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Tom, good on you for ticking off David for his obvious lack of genetic knowledge. In my book, a POM’s a POM, a SCOT’s a SCOT – and never the ‘twain shall meet
. I’m of Irish lineage so that kind of makes me root for the Scot/Brit part
………………….. you say >> “perhaps the way ahead for Australian sport is to forge some association with New Zealand; ‘Team Oceania’ would be more successful in future sporting world chamionships. and why not?” – HELL, NO , Tom – then we’d some cretin like John O’Neill doing the dirty on we (NZ) Kiwis like he did with the RWC Hosting betrayal in 2003………… long term immersion with OZ in any capacity is fraught with backstabbing.
September 12th 2012 @ 10:17am
BigAl said | September 12th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
you are Tweedle Dee to David Lord’s Tweedle Dum on this ( or vice verca )
September 12th 2012 @ 10:53am
Mals said | September 12th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Mmmm no different Tom to half of your cricket team being South Africans & rugby team being a united nations squad.
September 12th 2012 @ 11:05am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Eloquent response, Tom.
A question – when a Scottish golfer wins a major, do you celebrate his victory for Great Britain, or is it accepted that he was representing Scotland and not Great Britain?
September 12th 2012 @ 5:36pm
Happy Hooker said | September 12th 2012 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
If he stuck to what he knows, then what would he write about?
September 13th 2012 @ 3:54am
peeeko said | September 13th 2012 @ 3:54am | Report comment
you are suggesting that scotland wont go independent now due to recent sporting success by the combined nation?
maybe you should stick to things that you know about
September 12th 2012 @ 9:47am
Michael said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
David,
I’ll accept that is a far-from-perfect comparison, but a closer equivalent would be Australian athletes competing in international events under the banner of their state.
The only nation that Andy Murray comes from is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, of which Scotland is a ‘constituent country’. Scotland and Wales have had some powers devolved to their respective Parliament and Assembly, but they are not national authorities running independent nations.
(To all the constitutional experts, I’m aware of the many differences between an Australian state and a British constituent country – as I said, it’s far from perfect – but my general point stands).
Certainly, plenty of sports like rugby, league, cricket, hockey and football all recognise the home nations by allowing them to field separate teams. However, tennis does not. The Davis Cup team competes as Great Britain and the sport is governed by the Lawn Tennis Association throughout the UK.
It is the choice of each sport. If it is actually categorising people by their nation of origin, then the UK is the most correct.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:50am
BigAl said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Would have to agree with Viscount, why David, why, why why ??
Your continual hyperventilating over ‘Green and Gold ‘ sporting achievements/performance like a 15 year old school boy
( or an 11 year old schoolgirl over Justin Beiber) are cringeworthy, not to mention immature !
Your reference above re Australian v Australasian is a continuation of this.
Your “Like hell” really sums all this up and is quite funny – yet quite sad when coming from a ‘full growed’ literate commentator.
A more objective and sophisticated approach, especially seeing that you do appear to have access to much relevant information could well work.
One would like to think that it would work on this Roar forum.
September 13th 2012 @ 11:02pm
Jack Russell said | September 13th 2012 @ 11:02pm | Report comment
Perhaps a more apt comparison is if Pat Rafter preferred to be known as a Queenslander as opposed to an Australian. Or Lleyton Hewitt a South Australian first and foremost.
September 12th 2012 @ 12:21pm
MiIchael Tracey said | September 12th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Hello Viscount,
It annoys me how they pick and choose when they are British (ie Olympics, Rugby League,) and when they are seperate countries (ie Commonwealth games, Rugby, Football) I would say cricket but then they are England and Wales, and usually about 4 South Africans, so I just refer to them as the World XI.
Ask a Scotsman and he is a Scot, ask an Englishman (when Andy Murray wins then he is British but if he loses then he’s Scottish). Andy Murray has made it perfectly clear that he is Scottish. However show me a Scottish passport??? You can’t because there isn’t one.
So nothing amatuer about David’s post, more of an attitude I of wanting there cake and eat it, when this issue of Nationality and people from the UK comes about.
September 12th 2012 @ 7:04pm
Banger said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:04pm | Report comment
Perculiar enough for Sean Connery to say in the press conference to the crowded media room to remember that ‘Andy Murray is not British he is Scottish’. So I believe that it is very fair for David to raise this question. It is perculiar the nature of representation of the union countries across the various sports, whether it is GB or the seperate countries and principalities. In the instance of tennis I would reason that the Scottish tennis authorities/ associations are members of the LTA, and therefore Britisih.
Northern Ireland competing under GB at the Olympics is even more confusing to me, considering that while it is a part of the Union is not actually a part of Great Britain.
September 12th 2012 @ 7:53am
Freddie said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:53am | Report comment
Check the 1707 Act of Union to see why Murray is classified as British. Another dull as dishwater attempt by an Aussie to try and dampen a British success to try and have a dig. He was more than happy to wear the union flag (NOT a jack unless it’s flown on water) when winning at the Olympics.
Honestly Australia, grow up. Britain is having a good time of it at the moment in sport, just accept it.
September 12th 2012 @ 7:58am
David Lord said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Murray had no option but to wear the British flag at the Games. But he’s a Scot playing tennis and should be given the rightful recognition of his heritage.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:26am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
I accept what you’re saying Freddie – and don’t doubt you’re right – but if Murray was a golfer he’s be classified as Scottish.
Why the difference?
September 12th 2012 @ 9:14am
MAJB said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
My family are Scots. They see themselves as Scottish. They don’t see themselves as British. The 1707 Act of Union was a sell out by a small group of Scottish nobles, who saw it as a way for their own betterment. The rest of the Scottish people objected to being aligned with the English. Murray is proud Scot. Good on him for putting that forward. Alba abu.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:29am
Tom Callaghan said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Most Scots don’t share your opinion. I guess that you are a plastic Scot, livining in Australia, out of touch with events and feeling in Scotland and the rest of Britain and indulging in some kind of pseudo romantic nostalgia.You end with a Galic tag but not all Scots are of Gaelic origin.You should know , shouldn’t you,that Scotland itself is a patchwork of diverse identities.
September 12th 2012 @ 10:38am
MAJB said | September 12th 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Tom, I have never thought of myself as plastic, a little synthetic maybe but not plastic. My family are Gaelic speakers, although I know we have a heap of Viking ancestry. However, I suggest that you read the work by Dr Brian Sykes on the origins of the people in the British Isle. It is a genetic study that suggests that the origins of the Scots are not as diverse as once thought. But back to the feelings of the Scottish people. Current voting trend seems to indicate that the majority want to separate from England. We will see what happens, wont we. Yours in plasticity MAJB
September 12th 2012 @ 10:55am
mushi said | September 12th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Hmm one questions why all the wrangling on forcing a referendum on separation that has been in the works for years
You know given that only plastic scots living abroad don’t want to be part of it I wonder how in the world this was ever raised?
September 12th 2012 @ 7:58am
Seriously, Who says Oi? said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
It is truly weird that people from England are suddenly claiming this Scottish player as their own “British” comrade.
Aren’t they supposedly against the title of “British”? That’s what I’ve heard practically all the time from them. They get mad when one refers to them as Brits.
I think it has more to do with convenience. It’s convenient for them to claim him when he’s good because he`s all they’ve got.
Most, if not all, of the English (and overall British) people would not have recalled a winner of their own kind in professional Tennis in their lifetime.
Finally, they have just one player who can win something, so they ride his coattails and claim his victory as their own.
I personally think it’s funny.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:01am
David Lord said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Seriously, Fred Perry 1936 is a long wait for an Englishman, So what the hell, claim Murray to break the 76-year drought.
September 12th 2012 @ 3:27pm
Freddie said | September 12th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
And here is the nub of David Lords argument. Having a crack at the English.
Yawwwwwwwwwwn.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:10am
Happy Hooker said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
What is truly weird is that (some) Aussies over here on the other side of the world are worrying about it.
Its all chip on the shoulder stuff; an Aussie didn’t win, so we feel the need to make sure the English can’t celebrate either by making sure Murray is tagged as Scottish, not British.
As an Aussie, its embarrassing.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:31am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Happy Hooker makes a good point.
Andy Murray is NOT English. We can ALL agree on that.
And isn’t that what’s really important here?
September 12th 2012 @ 9:35am
Tom Callaghan said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Very judicious comment Happy Hooker.
You have made me feel embarrassed about my earlier vitriolic comments.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:23am
turbodewd said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Of course he’s a Brit. He’s just not and Englishman or a Welsh or an Irish.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:27am
David Lord said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
turbodewd, why can’t Murray be recognised as Scotland’s first Slammer, rather than the first Brit since 1936 to win a Slam. Surely the first option carries the greater clout and historical significance?
September 12th 2012 @ 11:21am
Neil said | September 12th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
David,
No reason why he can’t be seen as both. The fact is if you’re Scottish, Welsh, English you are also British. I’m Welsh born and proud of it but also proud of being British. As a Brit I’m pleased and proud for my fellow Brit who happens to have been born in Scotland. I know what your agenda is and that is an anti English dig. Have to agree with Happy Hooker.
September 13th 2012 @ 2:40am
Jeffrey Baxter said | September 13th 2012 @ 2:40am | Report comment
Spot on Neil, im an englishman living in wales and people here are as ecstatic at the success of english and scots and irish people in sport as they are of their own in the olympics and tennis and golf,0 exceptions are made for rugby and football and that is done in a fine spirit with very little bile that some outside these islands seem to want us to indulge in. Identity and lived culture is complex and always has been. Some people seem to prefer simple little tales of the big bad english, cartoonish stuff really.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:25am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Does anyone know why golfers represent individual nations (Scotland, England, Wales, Nth Ireland) while tennis players represent Great Britain?
I’m sure it’s just some historical anomaly, but I’d be interested to know.
September 12th 2012 @ 11:52am
Chris said | September 12th 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Mainly because golf’s governing body recognises them as nations, while the tennis governing body recognises the UK as a nation.
It’s just like the UN recognising Ireland and the UK as seperate nations, FIFA recognising Scotland, Wales, Ireland, England and Northern Ireland as separate nations while the IRB recognises Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England as separate nations and the IOC recognises Ireland and the UK as seperate nations.
It’s just how its always been done and its always less controversial to keep the status quo.
September 12th 2012 @ 12:28pm
MiIchael Tracey said | September 12th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
No Chris, The Republic Of Ireland is a separate Nation, North Ireland is apart of Britain. Please learn the difference, people from the Republic want nothing to do with Britain and rightfully so.
September 12th 2012 @ 2:36pm
Chris said | September 12th 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
When did I claim they did?
As an Irish citizen I think I’ve got some idea they are different nations.
I was just pointing out the official classification doesn’t always meet the sporting one. Otherwise Irealand and Northern Ireland wouldn’t have the same Rugby team.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:26am
The Bush said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
David,
Just out of interest, do you actually have a quote from Murray along this lines? Has he ever verbalised a desire to be referred to as a Scot in international tennis? Or at all?
As to the thrust of your argument, I don’t really see what the all fuss is. His passport says he is from the United Kingdom and thus a “Brit”, so really, why kick up a stormt? At the end of the day this issue is only discussed because of the unique fact that the British invented almost all modern sports and therefore the first “internationals” were amongst themselves and this practice simply continued when other countries took up the sports. If Spain had invented most sports, we would probably have a Catalan team, an Andalusian team, a Valencian team and a Basque team, whilst GP would just be GP.
In fact that leads into a good point – if you take it to the extreme, what’s next, referring to players at Catalan instead of Spanish, or Basque instead of French? What about Quebecois instead of Canadian? Where does it end? Or what about this, “heaven forbid”, Aboriginal instead of Australian?
For mine, once a decision has been made by a sport about whether the British Isle’s compete individually or as GB, that should be it.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:29am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
“Just out of interest, do you actually have a quote from Murray along this lines? Has he ever verbalised a desire to be referred to as a Scot in international tennis? Or at all?”
It’s not the same thing, but I remember him being asked who he was supporting at the FIFA World Cup a few years ago and he responded, in classic Scottish fashion: “Anyone but England!”
I suspect he’s always going to be happy to be classed as British. He knows where his bread is buttered, and the sponsors are always going to have deeper pockets for someone who is British as opposed to Scottish.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:31am
The Bush said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Fair enough, I don’t personally mind how a personal defines themselves, after all I’m a Queenslander first and foremost! Ha.
But I was interested just to know if this was even an issue to Murray at all.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:36am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
I am almost sure it’s not an issue for him Bush.
In fact, I doubt most tennis players care about whuch country they represent. They are almost totally independent from their individual nations, and many choose to live in tax friendly municipalities rather than their home nations.
They are, as the cliche goes, citizens of the world.
Although we normal people will still continue to claim them when they’re successful!
September 12th 2012 @ 9:22am
Colin N said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
“It’s not the same thing, but I remember him being asked who he was supporting at the FIFA World Cup a few years ago and he responded, in classic Scottish fashion: “Anyone but England!””
Anyone who throws up that tiresome line obviously hasn’t followed Murray throughout his career (not referring to you personally, but there are fair-weather tennis fans in Britain who only watch Wimbledon).
He lives in England with an English girlfriend and that was a joke which was typcially taken out of hand. The journalist who transcribed that interview has repeatedly gone on record to defend Murray, but of course people who only watch tennis for two weeks of the year keep referring to that non-issue.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:28am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
No doubt he was joking Colin.
But there would be more than a grain of truth in there!
September 12th 2012 @ 9:39am
Colin N said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Probably, but as I said, he lives in England with an English girlfriend, and holds a British passport.
Just to answer why they compete as England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the Commonwealth games: the Commonwealth is individual countries that made up the British Empire.
Not sure on the reason’s why they are separated in golf, although I think in football, Fifa refused to recognise Great Britain as one team – feel free to correct me on that one though.
In F1, they are recognised as British.
September 12th 2012 @ 11:01am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Colin, I believe the reason they compete seperately in football is simply historical. Before the game went global, the Home Nations would play “internationals” against each other and so established seperate administration and identity structures.
These structures have maintained with time (to the extent, I believe, where the Home Nations still have four of the eight votes on the FIFA Board?).
It’s similar with rugby and, I would imagine, with golf.
Does seem strange that tennis is different then. Not sure why.
September 12th 2012 @ 3:27pm
mushi said | September 12th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Why does current place of residence and choice of partner alter his heritage? Isn’t that counter intuitive to what heritage is?
If he lived in NY and married a spanish woman would he be half spanish half american?
September 12th 2012 @ 7:42pm
Colin N said | September 12th 2012 @ 7:42pm | Report comment
“Why does current place of residence and choice of partner alter his heritage?”
I wasn’t saying it alters his heritage. I mean, it wouldn’t anyway, because he’s British.
I was responding to the comment that he made back in 2006: ‘anyone but England’ which someone on here brought up and the fact that it was quite clearly a joke.
You would have thought by now that Australian journalists and public would have stopped trying to denigrate British sport considering the respective Olympics the two countries had.
They’re like annoying wasps that keep stalking you and refuse to go away, despite your best attempts to swat it away.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:33am
Partyhat said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
well said Bush
September 12th 2012 @ 8:27am
JimC said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Maybe because he plays for the British Davis Cup team you antipodean ignoramus.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:54am
peeeko said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Thanks Jim, how come there is no Scottish Davis cup team but a Scottish football team?
September 12th 2012 @ 8:28am
Kersi Meher-Homji said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
David,
It has always confused me; the difference between UK and GB. Roarers, please let me know.
To divert, West Indies play as one country in cricket but as Jamaica, Barbados etc in other sports.
What about a cricket World Cup between Asia (India, Palk SL and Bangla), Down Under (Aus &NZ), GB (Eng, Scot, Wales & Ireland), Africa (S. Africa & Zimbabwe) and WI.
Let’s go further. Why not a CONTINENTAL World Cup between Europe, America (including WI), Asia, Australia (including NZ) and Africa? In football, rugby, cricket and other sports?
September 12th 2012 @ 8:30am
The Bush said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Great Britain is the island that Wales, Scotland and England are on, whilst the United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland. The term “Great Britain” is frequently used in place of the United Kingdom due to convienence or ignorance or whatever else.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:33am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Bush, I recently read an interesting article about why they compete at the Olympics under “Great Britain” when “United Kingdom” would be more correct.
Apparently someone just filled out a form incorrectly hundreds of years ago and it now can’t be changed!
It was a bit bizarre. One of those strange things that history seems to throw up sometimes!
September 12th 2012 @ 8:46am
Jerry said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Why wouldn’t it be able to be changed? Zimbabwe doesn’t have to still compete as Rhodesia.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:26am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
I believe there was more than a change in name when Zimbabwe moved from being Rhodesia, Jerry!
I can’t remember the details, but the article (in The Guardian) spoke at length about how the whole “Team GB” thing was technically incorrect.
September 14th 2012 @ 3:55am
MC said | September 14th 2012 @ 3:55am | Report comment
Great Britain is the largest of the British Isles
The British Isles are a collection of Islands off the western sea board of continental Europe
Ireland, along with Isle of White, Man and 100′s (yes 100′s) of others of islands are constituents of the British Isles
These are all geographic statements,
Locational statements
England, Scotland and Wales are countries on the Island Great Britain (the status of Wales as a country or principality is currently in flux)
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are countries on the Island Of Ireland
Politcal Statements
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland form a soveriegn entity known as “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. All residents of the British Isles hold this passport apart from those of the Republic of Ireland.
Strangely it seems to be those who no longer reside on the Islands seem most passionately cling to the idea of distinct countries.
All yes David has previous in this respect, which only dimishes any article he writes.
David decide if you want to publish thoughtful comment or be a clown, this half way house is like trying to be half oregnant.
September 12th 2012 @ 8:31am
Will Sinclair said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Andy Murray is certainly more British than Greg Rudeski, that’s for sure!
September 12th 2012 @ 8:57am
jameswm said | September 12th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Or Kevin Pietersen.
September 12th 2012 @ 9:44am
Tom Callaghan said | September 12th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Khwaja,tomic….
September 12th 2012 @ 10:08am
peeeko said | September 12th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Both moved to Australia as 3 year olds not grown men
September 13th 2012 @ 4:55am
Tom Callaghan said | September 13th 2012 @ 4:55am | Report comment
Strauss and Prior spent most of their lives in England from an early age. I don’t think thats true of Eastern Europen imports who represent Australia in winter Olympics. Didn’t such an import win silver for Australia in ploe vault in 2000.
And what about the mature Argentian forwards poached by Wallabies?
When did Quade Cooper leave New Zealand?