Ding-Dong, will Collingwood go the way of Geelong?
By Andrew Sutherland, 13 Sep 2012 Andrew Sutherland is a Roar Expert
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Last week Hawthorn had two good reasons to sing and dance around what is left of VFL Park. There was the third dismantling of Collingwood this season to saviour, and then they heard the evil sorceress Geelong was gone.
For all their dominance this season Hawthorn has been dreading the prospect of meeting the Cats in the preliminary final.
Relief came from an unlikely source – Fremantle playing at the MCG – who put an end to Geelong’s era of dominance. She can no longer cast spells of impotence upon the Hawks, or the rest of the finalists.
I imagine the Hawks players tweeted their appreciation to Matthew Pavlich and his purple minions just as the Munchkins in The Wizard Oz conveyed their gratitude to Dorothy for disposing of the wicked witch:-
“We thank you very sweetly for doing it so neatly
That we thank you very sweetly
She’s gone where the goblins go,
Below – Below – Below”
Ding-Dong the reigning Premiers are gone. Are last year’s Runners-Up next to go?.
A Fairfax poll currently going asks if Collingwood has any hope of winning the premiership. Eighty five per cent of respondents – people who I assume are knowledgeable, level-headed and untainted with an anti-Magpies bias – have answered in the negative.
If looks are anything to go by Collingwood are finished. When they traipsed off the MCG on Friday night the hang-dog expressions matched perfectly the limp socks around the ankles. Socks down and jumpers out is the fashion of the modern player but with an opponent like Buddy Franklin prancing around you with vibrant hooped stockings pulled up to the knees, your casual style can appear decidedly sloppy.
Everything points to Collingwood’s season ending in straight sets on Saturday night against West Coast.
There was the drubbing against the Eagles just three weeks ago and the loss to the Hawks in the first final where they showed clear signs of frustration, giving away undisciplined free kicks and arguing with each other.
They will be without their defender and captain Nick Maxwell for the match (and the preliminary final if they get there) against a side brimming with tall dominant forwards.
Collingwood’s possessions are well down on those from their minor premiership year. They have fallen three positions and their percentage has plummeted. Hawthorn’s possessions were also far lower than last season but they managed to take the minor premiership and increase their percentage.
They badly miss Leigh Brown and Leon Davis. With a lack of key position personnel they rely heavily on their numerous midfielders but have suffered recently from insipid performances by Daisy Thomas, Steele Sidebottom and Sharrod Wellingham. Perhaps uninspired coaching has something to do with it also.
Despite these indicators, however, something tells me the Eagles may be in for a shock.
Last Friday, the Pies were at times merely gob smacked spectators of the glorious Hawthorn show but they did manage to muster two comebacks.
They resorted to chipping the ball around until an opening appeared – usually the path that led to Travis Cloke, one-on-one with an undersized Ryan Schoenmakers.
It was ugly to watch but it did provide a hint that they may not be finished. Andrew Krakouer was an ever-present danger and if their midfielders can begin to kick some goals again their fortunes would change immediately.
They presently seem to be lacking structure and confidence but it’s important to remember that they are a very experienced group. It’s hard to believe that Dale Thomas at 25 has already played 150 games and fought in several finals campaigns. Ten of the current squad lie in the club’s top forty for number of games played.
More significantly, they are one of the more talented sides. As Paul Roos said this week: “They really rely purely on talent. I think that’s what scares the other teams in the competition”.
Despite having the form West Coast should be nervous about Saturday’s game.
With an abominable record against the Pies, Sydney would rather not have to face them in the preliminary final.
And if Hawthorn are relishing the prospect of playing them in the grand final they should take note that the three lessons they gave Collingwood may have taught them how to win again.
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September 13th 2012 @ 9:01am
Brian said | September 13th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Their biggest problem is Dawes. He is terribly out of form and as second ruckman he is totally inept at ground level. Up against a Roughead or a Nicnat they’re almost playing one short after the centre bounce.
September 13th 2012 @ 9:56am
Macca said | September 13th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
The Pies have a number of issues going into this game, the first is that their defence won’t be able to contain the multi pronged attack the eagles have. The Pies defencers love to zone off but with so many marking target (like the Hawks last week) they won’t be able to do it against the Eagles and they will again be exposed one on one and unable to stop the goals flowing.
The second is up forward Cloke is their only avenue to goal (the reason he isn’t going anywhere despite the media specualtion) and the Eagles defenders are better equiped to contain him than the Hawks, I can’t see him pushing Glass around like he did Schoenmakers.
Third there is the Ruck, Jolly is one of the best but taking on Cox & Natanui with only Dawes as back up is a recipe for disaster.
And finally there is the midfield, the Pies proabably have the more talented midfield but they lack a tagger where the Eagles can use both Selwoods if they want. Priddis is one of the best extractors and Kerr, Gaff & Shuey will get silver service from the ruck division.
I would expect the Eagles to lock down on Pendlebury and Beams and go head to head against the others.
Robert Walls’ accurate and interesting summation of Swan & Wellingham is also a cuase for concern for the Pies.
September 13th 2012 @ 2:16pm
Bob said | September 13th 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
Agree, though we did beat them this year without Jolly at the G
September 13th 2012 @ 4:01pm
Macca said | September 13th 2012 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
I think they were missing a few that day too Bob.
September 13th 2012 @ 10:22am
Richard said | September 13th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Yeah, good article. Watching the ‘Pies this season, and in particular last week, the desire and the effort has been there, but there seems to be something lacking in the game plan, the strategy, the team cohesion. You can see when players who want to win begin to lose confidence in the structure and start to push extra hard for the individual contribution, often coming unstuck in the process. I’ve seen that at the ‘Pies a few times over the past few weeks. I’ve no doubt about their desire, but the game is at its best when the team gels and that seems to be lacking.
Collingwood toughened up last week for the finals but they played the man too much. They need to get back to concentrating on playing the ball, which has been a hallmark of their recent years. Tackle hard but play their own game. I hope they get it together this week, but it’s a tough ask at the last minute. Hawthorn have gelled. West Coast have gelled. Sydney has been a tight unit all year. When the dust settles, there’s a lot of thinking to do out at the Westpac Centre.
September 14th 2012 @ 12:08pm
hamleyn said | September 14th 2012 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
Its a good point you make about lacking game plan, strategy and cohesion. I think the problem with Collingwood has been their injuries throughout the year. They haven’t really had a settled side for the whole season with guys like Tarrant, Reid, Brown, Shaw and Pendlebury all missing big chunks of games. When you compare that to 2010 when they won the flag, they had a much more settled team for much of the year and built their form as the season progressed.
You could mount an argument that West Coast have had a horror run with injuries but, apart from losing Le Cras, Kennedy and Embley early on (two of which they’ve subsequently got back), they’ve had a settled side throughout the season. Similarly with Hawthorn (although they did miss Buddy, Mitchell and Hodge for separate stints) and Sydney, both teams have had relatively injury-free seasons, which allows the majority of the side to continue to play with each other week to week to week and get used to playing with each other.
However, another good point raised above was that of Leigh Brown and Leon Davis, both of whom the Pies have missed a lot this year. They’ve lacked penetration out of defense that Leon provided and Leigh Brown was a genuine ruck-forward, whereas Dawes hasn’t done either very well this year.
Hence, I think its probably a better comparison to look at Collingwood beside teams like Essendon and Carlton, who both had similar prospects coming into the season but were blighted by injury. When you look at those three in isolation, the Pies have done a pretty damn good job.
And I wouldn’t write them off yet. They beat West Coast in Melbourne earlier this year and with Goldsack back, the Pies’ forward line gets a boost. Moreover, should they win, they’ll play Sydney in a preliminary final at ANZ stadium, where Collingwood has beaten Sydney pretty much every time they’ve played over the last few years. They even beat them there earlier this year despite Sydney coming off a 9 match winning streak. Plus the Pies are loaded with proven September performers, having overcome West Coast and Hawthorn in epic finals last year.
I still think it will be a Hawthorn-Sydney grand final with Hawthorn winning the flag but I wouldn’t be counting the Pies out yet.
September 13th 2012 @ 10:48am
hawker said | September 13th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
they’re cooked. we took their best shot then broke them. eagles have better KP defenders than us they should handle cloke.
September 13th 2012 @ 12:08pm
kick to kick said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
Fair comments about the Pies. But if Hawthorn was relieved to see Geelong out, I’d bet their coaching staff will also be hoping that Adelaide prevail over Freo. Fremantle is a very different team from the one Hawthorn met earlier in the season and now has the pressure game that Hawthorn can struggle against, as it has at times struggled against the Swans this year. The Hawks I think have Adelaide’s measure, but a Hawks/ Dockers preliminary final would be tantalisingly unpredictable.
September 13th 2012 @ 12:56pm
Brian said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
I think your overating Freo who 1st quarter aside were well beaten by Geelong, the pressure game played by Lyon worked because Geelong kept trying to play their game in the 1st quarter of slicing through the middle with gaps in defence. The Hawks are much better by foot. Pavlich as good as he is will also not play like that every week.
Fremantle came 7th for a reason and I expect Adelaide will show why tomorrow night.
September 13th 2012 @ 1:02pm
Macca said | September 13th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Can’t See Freo getting over the Hawks in Melb, for a start they would of had to travel 3 weeks in a row and while they did only just get over the Swans recently, that was at the SCG, the MCG is very different.
September 15th 2012 @ 1:37am
Blow ski said | September 15th 2012 @ 1:37am | Report comment
Fremantle won’t win a Premiership in any foreseen future. Doubtful they will even make a GF with this list
September 13th 2012 @ 12:09pm
penguin said | September 13th 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
It’s interesting that the 6 teams left are the 6 with the best defensive records. Sydney and Freo have the best team defences, but not necessarily the best defenders. Not surprising given they come from the Roos/ Lyon coaching stables. And I think that is one of Collingwood’s biggest problems; they don’t seem to have a game plan under Buckley. Great player he was, and incredibly articulate and honest as a media coach, but yet to get his players playing for him or to get a distinctive game style or plan worked out. Maxwell out will really trouble the Collingwood defence particularly as WC have such a tall, talented and multi-pronged attack.
I expect Freo and West Coast to win away, which will be huge wins for the WA teams. Who knows, it might be a WA Derby at the MCG for the Grand Final
September 13th 2012 @ 1:03pm
Macca said | September 13th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
I thnk West Coast could make it (especially playing Sydney at ANZ) but Freo is in a different class to the Hawks although I am with you in them getting past Adelaide.
September 13th 2012 @ 2:20pm
Brian said | September 13th 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
All being equal (which it is not because West Coast have two 6 day break interstate matches) Hawthorn and West Coast are the best two teams this year and pretty even, however West Coast are paying for their terrible run with injuries mid year which saw them finish outside the top 4.
September 13th 2012 @ 2:27pm
Macca said | September 13th 2012 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
Yeah the travel & the days are against them but as you say that is the price you pay for finishing 6th.
On the plus side the injuries could mean that they have the likes of Kennedy fresh for the finals rather than worn down by a long season.
September 13th 2012 @ 6:26pm
Andrew Sutherland said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
Good assessment of Buckley penguin.
September 17th 2012 @ 6:07pm
penguin said | September 17th 2012 @ 6:07pm | Report comment
Maybe. But totally wrong with my predictions! No more crystal ball gazing for me!
September 13th 2012 @ 6:46pm
Brewski said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:46pm | Report comment
WCE will lose, Freo will win.
Adelaide is a pretender, Freo has come of age.
Luke MaCpharlin …. never heard of him !!, apparently last week, Freo would be flogged without him.
The team now plays for each other, and no-one can bottle the recipe to make it happen, sometimes it just happens, and it wasn’t under Harvey.
I
September 15th 2012 @ 1:32am
Blow ski said | September 15th 2012 @ 1:32am | Report comment
Brewski. Dont you hate it when u make a big statement and then go down. Oh well just another unsuccessful campaign for Freo while the Eagles press on (again) !!
September 15th 2012 @ 8:29am
Brewski said | September 15th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Well, it was a statement, don’t know about big, you are the only person that responded to it !!.
The Dockers went down fighting, it remains to be seen if the WCE can do the same thing.
I am sure Sydney would like to see them knock the stuffing out of each other.
September 13th 2012 @ 1:35pm
Pope Paul VII said | September 13th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
So what you are saying Andrew is that Hawthorn and Fremantle are friends of Dorothy.
September 13th 2012 @ 6:21pm
Andrew Sutherland said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:21pm | Report comment
Pope,
I’m sure Dorothy would feel at home in Fremantle surrounded by strange characters.
September 13th 2012 @ 6:37pm
Anthony said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:37pm | Report comment
Subiaco sure aint Kansas!
September 13th 2012 @ 2:08pm
james said | September 13th 2012 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
The dust has yet to settle, but fast Eddie is a worried man. Will Cloke go to Carlton with Malthouse. Will the Pies get bundled out of the finals. Eddie has tied himself with Buckley. If Cartlon move forward and the Pies get stuck, Bye Bye Eddie.
By the way, why didn’t Collingwood have a coaching restraint with Mike?. Pay him good money not to coach in the AFL.
September 13th 2012 @ 6:26pm
Justin Curran said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
Everything seems to indicate a straight sets exit for the Pies, and it is very tempting to write them off. But we shouldn’t forget that it is not so easy for West Coast to show up and do the business at the MCG. It’s hard to get a reading on what effect the death of John McCarthy will have also.
September 13th 2012 @ 6:34pm
TC said | September 13th 2012 @ 6:34pm | Report comment
Best odds in a long, long time for the two teams coming from the bottom 4 to challenge in the semis.
I think Freo is as good as in.
Pies v Eagles looking line ball.
TC