All Blacks vs Springboks: Rugby Championship live score updates
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New Zealand Vs. South Africa |
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2012 Rugby Championship, 16 September, 2012 |
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| Forsyth Barr Stadium, University Plaza, Dunedin | ||
| New Zealand 21 defeated South Africa 11 | ||
| New Zealand | South Africa | |
| 21 | FINAL SCORE | 11 |
| 2 | TRIES | 1 |
| 1/2 | CONVERSION KICKS | 0/1 |
| 3/5 | PENALTY GOALS | 2/8 |
| 0/1 | DROP GOAL | 0/1 |
Top scorers:
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Important moments:
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| Referee: G Clancy |
| Touch judges: R Poite & J Leckie |
The All Blacks can place one hand on the inaugural Rugby Championship trophy with a win over the Springboks at Forsyth Barr Stadium tonight. We’ll have live scores from 5.35pm AEST.
It might have been a vastly different game to the two swashbuckling victories over the Wallabies, but the All Blacks’ 21-5 win over Argentina last weekend was no less impressive.
The Pumas served up a typically physical challenge to the reigning world champions in difficult conditions, and the All Blacks responded with consummate professionalism.
It is why they line up tonight as short favourites against fierce rivals South Africa.
The Springboks began their Rugby Championship campaign in style, overpowering the tournament debutant Pumas 27-6 in Cape Town, but since then they’ve had a more difficult time of it.
The return leg to Argentina yielded a 16-16 draw and threw away a 13-3 lead against the Wallabies in Perth last weekend, eventually going down 26-19.
Should they lose a third consecutive road game tonight they could go as many as ten points behind the All Blacks in the tournament standings, effectively ending their chances of winning the Rugby Championship with only two matches remaining.
Not that the Springboks are without their excuses. Injuries to a cast of key starting XV members have wrecked their campaign and they’ll be without the likes of Schalk Burger, Bismarck du Plessis, and JP Pietersen tonight.
For the home side, flyhalf Dan Carter hasn’t recovered from a calf strain and will be replaced by Aaron Cruden while Richard Kahui is also unavailable and will be placed by Julian Savea on the wing.
If the Springboks are going to come anywhere near a victory tonight they will need to start by winning or at least breaking even at the breakdown. McCaw and Messam have been immense in this tournament so far and without the services of Schalk Burger it could be a torrid time for the visitors.
The Springboks might be able to take some confidence from previous Tri Nations performances in Dunedin, having beaten the All Blacks at Carisbrook in 2008, and narrowly losing 31-27 at the same venue three years earlier.
But with the All Blacks juggernaut well and truly rolling it is difficult to envisage a similiarly tight contest here. There is little doubt the Springboks will turn up to play, but one wonders whether they have the artillery to hurt the best side in the world at the moment.
Can the Springboks stay with the All Blacks, or will it be four from four for Steve Hansen’s men? Find out from 5.35pm AEST.
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4:09pm
ivam said | 4:09pm | Report comment
First off congrats to the AB’s for holding their composure and taking the game. As a saffa I’m bitterly dissapoimted by the result, but I am proud of that forward performance. Its been many years if ever, since I have seen NZ so shell shocked for the first 40 and a bit of the second. The bok forwards were running amok, fast ball was coming into the backline, the maul was unstoppable, scrum held against the best scrum in the game. Credit where its due, a better display from steyn and a better pass from div could have seen the boks leading 19 – 5 at the break, do you ever see NZ beaten over 40 that badly? Like I said credit to nz for holding on, and taking their chances, I do however feel quite psitive for the boks – greyling will be replaced by a forward oosthuizen, who’s bigger, stronger and more mongrel than bismarck, biz will come back, etzebeth who was the only one to make an impact against aus, will come back. That bok pack will be unstoppable. Add hougie back to 9 (behind a strong pack he will flourish) add goosen at 10, with fast forward ball and a flat pass and great run, this kid will become the best in the game, jp pietersen will come back in, I’d move him to 13 and drop jean, he can’t pass and won’t make it to the wc. Put lambie in at 15 and you have a team that in my view should destroy aus, and get at least 50% against nz, if not more. The abs were pushed to another level last night, and were a bit fortunate to get a win, point being – the rivalry lives on, no other team at. Moment can come to nz and beat the abs up. 3n sides were cold and rusty when the nh teams toured, nz showed the week after ireland almost beat them what happens when they turn it up. I am satisfied with what I saw, and I believe the kiwis know, this bok team is going to be powerful in a few months time.
6:47am
richard said | 6:47am | Report comment
Greg @6.25am, well said, mate; particularly your comment on McKenzie. So many oz supporters seem to think he is the answer to all of their problems – frankly I don’t think he will do much better than Deans; the ” cattle”, particularly up front, simply isn’t up to it. I guess time will tell.
5:50am
richard said | 5:50am | Report comment
Jiggles, this may not be a great ab side, as you say, but it is still better than anything else going around. You can only beat what is in front of you, and that is what the ab’s do. Taking cheap shots at the ‘blacks to make yourself feel better is a sign of insecurity, which seems to be a common affliction among wobblie supporters.
As for saying we’re made to look better by average oz and saffa sides, so what! I bet you weren’t using this arguement during the MacQueen era when you had an edge over one of the worst ab sides in living memory (98-02). On the evidence of what I have seen of your wobblies this year, you should be more concerned with where your team is heading!
9:53pm
Tui said | 9:53pm | Report comment
What a dog Greyling is. He is not fit to clean McCaws boots. Hopefully we have seen the end of him at this level. A disgrace to the game.
8:00pm
nickoldschool said | 8:00pm | Report comment
cant believe that no other all black stood up for Mccaw when he got smashed by Greyling. that in top 14 = all in. Congrats to the boks for giving it to the ABs tonight. Morne, Morne, Morne….what happened!!!!!?
8:20pm
Luke said | 8:20pm | Report comment
Thats because the rest of the ABs know Mccaw has past his used by date
8:57pm
Kuruki said | 8:57pm | Report comment
McCaw has rekindled his reputation as the best player in the world. He has reinvented his game and is bloody outstanding every week.
Only A Smith saw what happened the rest had head down in the ruck.
9:05pm
Johnno said | 9:05pm | Report comment
Ma Nonu is soft kurki he wouldn’t take on grayling, now they can’t hide behind NZ heavyweight boxing champ SBW to protect them. SBW beat the whole highlanders pack on his own and they could only throw handbags at him, men in the south of NZ especially are soft Mccaw is a highlander boy as is hore.
3:00am
DuffyV said | 3:00am | Report comment
Johnno
You knowledge of the New Zealand population is so exceptional, I must insist you write a thesis for immediate publication.
Only condition is that it actually be based on fact.
Well that’s the end of your Doctorate I guess.
All Blacks have managed to win 2 games, since SBW left to increase his pay-per-view boxing figures, perhaps it is the missing Dan Carter having a greater impact at present, in-regards a lack of All Black quality replacement for his position.
You cannot even grudgingly admit Richie’s freakish performance for 80 minutes because of his jaw-butt on Graylings forearm.
Perhaps you should not play shots that you do not know how to play??????
7:52pm
Johnno said | 7:52pm | Report comment
ANd people knock puff daddy and leivermont and Deans and Meyer are suppose to be seen as normal. Meyer has lost it. ANd Jean devisers is only an Inside centre, put frans steyn back to fullback Kirchner is rubbish. and put jean back to no 12.
This team is the blue bocks not the springboks. And goosen can kick goals too pest kicker all year, I’d sack Meyer now if i was SARU.
7:50pm
paul said | 7:50pm | Report comment
i think the main problem we facing ryt now is tht pathetic coach meyer…he is the worst i have seen coaching the springboks….he has no eye for talent wat so ever…..
7:49pm
Royce Strauss said | 7:49pm | Report comment
When is SARU going to get their act together and actually hire a coach with some brains? Not some thick, arrogant pig who has a provincial bias.
7:47pm
Cruise said | 7:47pm | Report comment
Should be a citing fto comef, or an eye gouge on Hore.
7:42pm
Royce Strauss said | 7:42pm | Report comment
The thing is I knew Greyling would do what he did. He is a pig, a fake hard man who was no doubt the school yard bully boy who thinks he’s hot sht. I’ve seen in previous games what he does. He is a total penalty magnet, weak pig who can’t scrum to save his life. He gave away 4 penalties, one of which denied the Springboks a bonus point, let in a try and was yellow carded all in the space of 30 minutes. What a joke. This could have been a comfortable victory, but I forgot that rugby is won off the field too. I wonder what Meyer’s IQ must be? He was never a good coach, he only won the Super 14 due to Bryan Habana’s greatness and some shoddy reffing from Welsh. His Bulls were thrashed up until 05-07 when they were lucky to get players like du Preez and Matfield maturing.
7:43pm
Cruise said | 7:43pm | Report comment
Comfortable victory my backside.The boks only turn up, once and a while, and tonight they did. And lost by 10 points.
7:48pm
Royce Strauss said | 7:48pm | Report comment
Morne Steyn missed 10 kicks at goal. Dean Greyling let in the try, gave away numerous penalties and was yellow carded.
Sorry, but had Goosen started (90 percent kicking ratio and was the highest point scorer before injury in Super rugby this year) and Greyling never came onto the field the score would have been a fairly comfortable victory.
But I won’t bother arguing with you anymore than this post, aye.
8:22pm
Cruise said | 8:22pm | Report comment
21-11.
2:20am
steve.h said | 2:20am | Report comment
hmmm even the kiwi commentators drew on the fact that the boks self imploded rather than the all blacks won the game outright. Clearly there isn’t the gap between the All Blacks and the rest like people would like to believe.
3:09am
DuffyV said | 3:09am | Report comment
4 wins and undefeated!!!! in RC
But according to certain opposition fans should have lost at least three of them.
I think it is now 14 in a row but still only because of luck/cheating.
When are certain opposition fans going to face some actual facts……..
7:38pm
Kuruki said | 7:38pm | Report comment
if South Africa had a coach with a clue and a few injured guys back on board they could be so scary. Luckily for everyone else they shoot themselves in the foot.
7:34pm
Royce Strauss said | 7:34pm | Report comment
I wonder if Dean Greyling and Morne Steyn are proud?
TWO WEEKS in a row that the brilliant Meyer’s bench cost the Boks. Last week it was the god awful Mvovo coming on and this week it was the lovely Dean Greyling and keeping that cockroach Morne Steyn on the field. How can you leave a player off in Goosen’s talent? 1 penalty out of 10 shots at goal is disgusting and that is all Steyn offers.
I refuse to watch this dribble anymore until the proper players are selected (Brussow, Goosen, Kolisi…)
Rugby is in such a downward spiral. Both teams are utter rubbish and teams from 4-5 years ago would put 50 on both.
7:27pm
TembaVJ said | 7:27pm | Report comment
Good bye M Steyn hello Goose… If you are recruited to kick and you cant do it good bye.
Boks could have won this with ease if they did what they do best… kicking.
AB’s did not impress except for Dagg. Grealing needs to be boxed and sent home. Boks need Goose at 10, Lambie at 15 and shuffle the forwards.
7:29pm
Kuruki said | 7:29pm | Report comment
Seriously Hougaard into 9. Goosen into 10. And Lambie into 15 would completely change the side for the better. They would have smashed the Ab’s today on the back of that forward pack display from the Bok.
7:35pm
Royce Strauss said | 7:35pm | Report comment
Too true. You can point the blame to three people. Morne Steyn, Greyling and Meyer. Even the blind Australian commentators after the match saw.
7:23pm
Royce Strauss said | 7:23pm | Report comment
DEAN GREYLING AND MORNE STEYN, YOU SUPER STARS!!!!
How thick is this coach? He takes Beast off for that blob of turd? I saw what was coming. Everyone saw.
How can you keep such god awful players on such as Kirchner and that clumsy Cheetahs hooker? What a disgrace. Had Goosen started and Beast never been replaced by that Bully boy vomit Greyling, the Springboks would have won by 40 points. How many must Morne Steyn miss? He missed 35 points.
I wish I wouldn’t be censored on this site.
7:27pm
Kuruki said | 7:27pm | Report comment
Thank god for PDV, Deans and now Meyer. All Blacks dont even need to turn up anymore and we still win. And thats not a good thing for anyone or rugby in general.
7:29pm
TembaVJ said | 7:29pm | Report comment
I hope you are not dissing Struas??? Possibly the best player for the boks on field.
7:35pm
Jiggles said | 7:35pm | Report comment
I stand by my comment that the 2012 ABs are not a good side at all. They are getting by due to the incompetence of teams in positions 2 and 3, and the mental weakness of the teams from the north below them.
8:26pm
Luke said | 8:26pm | Report comment
lol. I suppose the the Reds and Wallaby team of 2011 that won the tri nations and super title were an average team because both NZ and SA rested their key players or the world cup?
Amazing the excuses that are coming out from the losing team. Next thing they will be blaming the quality of the pitch they are playing on.
10:16pm
Jiggles said | 10:16pm | Report comment
lol because those teams are relevant to now. lol.
10:30pm
Greg said | 10:30pm | Report comment
So Jiggles.. who is a great side?
1:20am
Jiggles said | 1:20am | Report comment
No one right now.
2:24am
steve.h said | 2:24am | Report comment
I agree
3:17am
Ben.S said | 3:17am | Report comment
I also agree, but it’s the first year after a World Cup, and teams are going to take a while to get into their stride. France, England, Italy, NZ and SA all have new coaching panels.
6:25am
Greg said | 6:25am | Report comment
For years the ABs played amazing rugby, beautiful to watch… and lost at the world cup.
Their rugby this year, as well as in the final at the WC has not been the scintillating spectacle of years past.. but you know what. They have the Cup that counts. They have had the Bledisloe Cup for 10 years? They would have had the Tri Nations last year if that was their focus.. it wasn’t.
Play ugly and win? Or play attractively and choke?
Now I still think they can play attractively and win. Just a matter of stringing the right performance together.
The South Africans last night, and the week before.. should have won. That bodes well for their future. Young team, bullish forwards. They should get Lamby involved more and work on their creativity and flare in the backs.. then watch out!
Aus flattered last night and the week before. Injuries has been the cry for years… And it is a shocker at the moment. But lets look at it honestly…. They have been all talk.. and a lot of it.. for a few years. Had some young, talented players… but they were smoked and looked like school boys last year at the WC with their “full” team. And have looked like mentally bruised whipping boys against the ABs this year.
Now I think it is a sad state of affairs when World Rugby is denied a great Wallaby team, that has flair, throws it around and can keep the Bledisloe Cup interesting. Sadly not the case now.
You can change your coach… and In think you should. But I don’t think that will change much.. If a builder is building a house with sub standard tools..or materials.. the house is going to be shaky no matter how good the builder.
Bring on McKenzie.. and take away another excuse..
12:12pm
Wal said | 12:12pm | Report comment
Thank you Greg and intelligent and well thought out response.
7:28pm
atlas said | 7:28pm | Report comment
tell us how you really feel
7:33pm
Jerry said | 7:33pm | Report comment
Greyling was MotM for me.
7:22pm
ohtani's jacket said | 7:22pm | Report comment
My wife changing her top during that test match was more exciting than the rugby. Should I share that?
7:24pm
Kuruki said | 7:24pm | Report comment
yes in photo form please.
7:25pm
Ian Whitchurch said | 7:25pm | Report comment
Not without her informed consent.
7:26pm
ohtani's jacket said | 7:26pm | Report comment
I’ll work on it if the Argentina game is a bust.
7:27pm
Kuruki said | 7:27pm | Report comment
Yes Bust is a must
7:28pm
Ian Whitchurch said | 7:28pm | Report comment
Regarding a girl changing her top, that was an appalling pun.
7:31pm
ohtani's jacket said | 7:31pm | Report comment
You’re right, but I feel like getting appalling drunk.
7:51pm
Harryonthecoast said | 7:51pm | Report comment
And in a few minutes it may just gett only worse! Oh what awin to the Pumas would do for third forum.
7:29pm
Jiggles said | 7:29pm | Report comment
I put $50 on it being a bust.
7:22pm
Elisha Pearce said | 7:22pm | Report comment
Kirchner looks worse and worse every time the replay of that Aaron Smith try is shown. He doesn’t offer anything on attack, kicks it away too much as well, so has to show a bit more covering in defense to justify his spot.
7:22pm
Jiggles said | 7:22pm | Report comment
Rubbish. I think this is the worst I have seen test rugby in a long time.
8:45am
Geoff Brisbane said | 8:45am | Report comment
Jiggles your criticism of the AB ‘s and the worst test you have seen etc mate your wallagirls have been absolutely terrible to watch hence the game being played at the Gold Coast to at least give the impression of a large crowd. The Boks have also been a bore fest and of course they don’t kick the ball to give it to the opposition but believe they have the opportunity to get it back (John de Villiers comment) and of course on a horses for courses basisthe AB’s are still winning and mate thats a lot more consistent then all of the others. This All Black team are far and away the best at the moment and have been for oh quite a number of years. They win even when they are not performing to their hihgh standards and to me that is exceptional and like you is only my humble opinion.
3:25pm
Jiggles said | 3:25pm | Report comment
Yep the Wallabies have been poor, No one is saying otherwise. Whats your point?
7:20pm
Elisha Pearce said | 7:20pm | Report comment
There hasn’t been a 4 try bonus point in this competition yet has there?
7:22pm
atlas said | 7:22pm | Report comment
no
did note the stat from the commentary team this was nz’s 103rd consecutive game where they have scored a try. unsure if that would be a record
obviously not been nilled in that time!
8:03pm
Jerry said | 8:03pm | Report comment
Showing how much of a nerd, I am – 2004 v Australia was the last one – can’t remember if it was the Sydney or Wgtn match.
12:47pm
Wal said | 12:47pm | Report comment
Well done Jerry it was the Sydney Match, Below is the first match the scored a try in after that.
103 is the record according Scrum.com and the next best is 50 by Fiji between 1999 and 2005,
New Zealand have failed to score tries in 43 of 491 Tests, winning 11 of these
Scotland at the other end have failed to register a try in 180 of 614 matches.
Top 5 are
New Zealand 103* 14 Aug 2004 v South Africa 15 Sep 2012 v South Africa
Fiji 50 25 Jul 1998 v USA 3 Jun 2005 v NZ Maori
England 46 18 Mar 1911 v Scotland 19 Mar 1927 v Scotland
Australia 46 16 Nov 2002 v England 15 Jul 2006 v South Africa
South Africa 44 2 Sep 1995 v Wales 26 Jun 1999 v Wales
8:02pm
Jerry said | 8:02pm | Report comment
Boks got one in the home match v Argentina, I think.
7:20pm
Kuruki said | 7:20pm | Report comment
Well in summary Spring boks game plan is based on kicking and kicking goals. They cant kick goals and they cant kick accurately. 1/10 and the 1 was purely because of the brilliant cheapy on McCaw.
All Blacks only turn up for 10 minutes and that is enough to win the game. 2/10. 1 point each for the brilliant tries.
7:18pm
Elisha Pearce said | 7:18pm | Report comment
Is there another person in New Zealand with more self confidence than Richie McCaw?
7:20pm
Kuruki said | 7:20pm | Report comment
No SBW is in Japan.
7:34pm
WQ said | 7:34pm | Report comment
There was but we lost him to Japan!
7:18pm
Killerwhale said | 7:18pm | Report comment
Belter of a test match. McCaw is the best player on the planet by far. We had no right to win that test match, but they took the few opportunities they had.
7:18pm
Rusty said | 7:18pm | Report comment
on the postives for the Boks – created many chances, much better in the breakdown with Louw, scrum was reasonable, maul worked well…couldnt convert any of it
7:22pm
Kuruki said | 7:22pm | Report comment
Boks pack was very strong today. Drop M Steyn and maybe they can make use of that go forward.
7:30pm
Red Kev said | 7:30pm | Report comment
Their back row especially looks good as Louw, Vermuellen and Alberts.
2:29am
steve.h said | 2:29am | Report comment
I still think if you want the most out of alberts you will rest him for the rest of the rugby championship. That crazy finals series has taken all the sting out of the sharks players. They should have been given ample rest for the Argentine rest games
7:16pm
WQ said | 7:16pm | Report comment
Bloody ordinary by the All Blacks. They keep winning and that is hiding a few attitude issues. Ritchie McCaw was again outstanding!
7:15pm
Rusty said | 7:15pm | Report comment
again – Dean Greyling – your test career is over
7:15pm
Kuruki said | 7:15pm | Report comment
McCaw you cheating scum, you are the best player on the planet mate. Easy.
7:15pm
Johnno said | 7:15pm | Report comment
Let starrt a new SHemphispehre RC 1st division
Argentina/USA/Canada/Russia/apan/Fiji/Samoa/Tonga. At elast they would play with excitement and passion.
7:11pm
ohtani's jacket said | 7:11pm | Report comment
God, this is bad. Hansen needs to take a good long look at himself.
7:16pm
ohtani's jacket said | 7:16pm | Report comment
I want my Teddy bear.
7:21pm
Jiggles said | 7:21pm | Report comment
If you want to see bad, stick around fo the next game.
7:11pm
Johnno said | 7:11pm | Report comment
Boks chocking last 5 minutes silly errors.
7:09pm
Elisha Pearce said | 7:09pm | Report comment
You can tell de Villiers has played a lot more at 12 than 13 tonight.
7:13pm
Red Kev said | 7:13pm | Report comment
I don’t see how he is captain, he is not part of their best 15 IMO.
7:07pm
Elisha Pearce said | 7:07pm | Report comment
I’m sorry. I try hard not to be like this, but the All Blacks haven’t been asked to release the ball once they’ve had their hands on it all night. Can’t see why that was a penalty based on the rest of the night.
7:16pm
Kuruki said | 7:16pm | Report comment
We are in bed with the refs.
3:16am
DuffyV said | 3:16am | Report comment
Yes Elisha
You simply put the refs on the payroll and win 14 in a row whilst dispatching mostly teams who are playing above themselves.
7:07pm
Kuruki said | 7:07pm | Report comment
Yes Nonu that is how you run the ball mate. More of it please.
7:02pm
Elisha Pearce said | 7:02pm | Report comment
Man he’s a beast this guy. Morne cannot start another match for this team.
7:08pm
Red Kev said | 7:08pm | Report comment
Well if the boks lose Meyer has noone but himself to blame.
7:10pm
Elisha Pearce said | 7:10pm | Report comment
Thats basically the same take away as last week too.
6:58pm
jutsie said | 6:58pm | Report comment
Quade take note, that’s how u put in a cheap shot on mccheat. Loved every bit of that lol
7:23pm
WQ said | 7:23pm | Report comment
You are a disgrace jutsie, to make a comment like that is quite simply pathetic and you should be ashamed of yourself!
7:46pm
jutsie said | 7:46pm | Report comment
Calm down bro, its all tongue in cheek. Game was a bit dull so entertain myself by making poorly judged comments.
7:53pm
WQ said | 7:53pm | Report comment
Fair enough jutsie i will calm down to. Probably a bit touchy about cheap shots on McCaw
7:57pm
jutsie said | 7:57pm | Report comment
All good mate
3:19am
DuffyV said | 3:19am | Report comment
When is Richie actually going to make a complaint to the Police.
It appears only on a Rugby field is such behavior acceptable according to Putsie.
6:58pm
Kuruki said | 6:58pm | Report comment
Filthy shot on McCaw but geez dont you love it when someone takes things into their own hands. i do. McCaw deserved it sitting on the ground with his hands all over the ball in broad daylight haha
7:33pm
biltongbek said | 7:33pm | Report comment
I don’t like what Greyling did, but if the referee isn’t doing anything, then you can understand the players taking things into their own hands.
7:37pm
WQ said | 7:37pm | Report comment
That’s dribble biltongbek, you are better than that and you know it.
7:59pm
biltongbek said | 7:59pm | Report comment
Why is it dribble?
I said I didn’t like what he did, so I don’t condone an elbow to the face.
I do however condone taking a player out when the referee doen’t.
3:22am
DuffyV said | 3:22am | Report comment
Biltong, Dont take your frustrations out on Richie.
My question is why is Grayling not led off in handcuffs during the game processed and charged.
What decent parent that watched that incident, would ever let there young children play the game????
4:16am
biltongbek said | 4:16am | Report comment
What are you on about?
Go read my comment on the match review article.
Richie was slowing donw ball, if a player is on the wrong side of a ruck he must be taken out.
7:50pm
TembaVJ said | 7:50pm | Report comment
Biltong… Spot on, its hard because RM loves to disrupt and he gets away with murder, why are refs so scared of him. 3 times I heard the NZ commies say “I recon SA was hard done by” and you see RM get of the grass with a smile on his face.
For all the people calling for rugby to be a better game, why do people still praise border line cheats?
7:59pm
TembaVJ said | 7:59pm | Report comment
I must say instead of McCaw’s arms waving around in the air on the bottom wrong side of the ruck, it was good to see someone clearing him out, bring back rucking please… ill give him that, not many would get up from that.
What will the AB’s do once he retires?
8:00pm
biltongbek said | 8:00pm | Report comment
Temba, I guess that is Richie’s job, but it is the referees job to ensure disciplne, in that case he didn’t.
However I hope Greyling doesn’t ever wear the Bok jersey again, in fact I hope he gets a lengthy ban.
3:33pm
Jerry said | 3:33pm | Report comment
What a load of cr@p, Biltong.
What’s McCaw doing that’s illegal there? And what’s he doing illegal immediately beforehand when he gets a shoulder in the face?
4:33pm
biltongbek said | 4:33pm | Report comment
Don’t understand why you have an issue with my statement.
Firstly I never condoned the elbow (not shoulder) in the face.
Secondly I am not talking about what Greyling did.
Thirdly prior to the elbow in the face he was on the wrong side of the ruck interfering with the ball, hence called slowing it down.
Prior to Greyling, McCaw was removed all ready, as the referee didn’t penalise McCaw
You seem to have an issue with me saying I understand why a player takes matters into his own hands, it happens at many rucks.
11:16pm
Jerry said | 11:16pm | Report comment
You’re assuming McCaw was cheating at the time – why is that?
11:24pm
biltongbek said | 11:24pm | Report comment
Slowing down ball, never said cheating.
11:36pm
Jerry said | 11:36pm | Report comment
You said ‘on the wrong side of the ruck’ which implies cheating. And your original comment that the ref wasn’t doing anything also implies it. So, what exactly should the ref have been doing something about?
12:06am
biltongbek said | 12:06am | Report comment
Slowing down ball is an offence unfortunately amongst the plethora of reasons to penalise not always picked up, in this case it happened on the other side of the ruck, so the penalty wasn’t forthcoming, whether he decided it isn’t a penalty or whatever the case may be, SA took exception to it.
Why is this such a big issue for you?
Richie did what every other 7 does, he got away with it and SA transgressed, Greyling has recieved his ban, I was hoping for a longer ban, and yet you continue with an interrogation?
7:05am
Jerry said | 7:05am | Report comment
“Slowing down the ball” isn’t even an offence, what are you on about?
My point is that you seem to think McCaw was doing something illegal there, but haven’t actually been able to come up with anything concrete he was actually doing wrong. I’ve seen similar comments dozens of times in the last day or two – “Greyling was wrong, but McCaw was cheating so did deserve it a bit”. People seem to just assume McCaw was cheating without anything to back it up.
7:14am
biltongbek said | 7:14am | Report comment
At the risk of going in circles.
When you have hands on a ball in a ruck it is illegal.
But yeah, you’re right, I am wrong and just wasted more time on the subject.
12:40pm
Red Kev said | 12:40pm | Report comment
QUOTE: What’s McCaw doing that’s illegal there? And what’s he doing illegal immediately beforehand when he gets a shoulder in the face?
The clean-out (or what you call a shoulder to the face) by Vermeulen is both legal and appropriate. McCaw was going for the ball initially, but by the time Vermeulen comes in he is no longer supporting his body weight but quite clearly still has limbs inside the ruck and is slowing the ball down – and while it may not be a listed law of rugby it is a law that you can’t play the ball within a ruck except with your feet and then only if you are on your feet – referee’s routinely penalise and say “slowing the ball down” if you listen to them. Getting him out of there is the right thing for Vermuelen to do.
Honestly it makes Greyling’s offence even more stupid because Vermeulen had already cleaned out McCaw, he was on his bum with his legs caught beneath the ruck – he wasn’t interferring with the play, he just couldn’t get out of there.
How Greyling only got 2 weeks for that I’ll never know. Forearm to face, in from the side and at a player who had already cleaned out … disgraceful.
2:08pm
biltongbek said | 2:08pm | Report comment
Thank you redkev, well explained.
2:36pm
Jerry said | 2:36pm | Report comment
Pause the video at 1:53 Kev – if that’s not supporting your own bodyweight, David Pocock must need crutches to stay upright.
Also – could you point me to the part of the laws that says a shoulder to the face is a legal clear out?
2:51pm
Red Kev said | 2:51pm | Report comment
Short version, it’s not a shoulder to the face, it’s a head to the chest, watch it properly. Even if it was a shoulder to the face initial contact was lower and it was no more illegal than that Hurricane’s hooker Motu’s tackles in the Super Rugby against the Rebels.
Long version:
McCaw certainly seems to be supporting his weight from that angle, from the other angle it looks much less likely) but I’m happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. However he has no right to have his hands on the ball, and even if he doesn’t have his hands on the ball (and I have no idea if he actually does but it looks like it to me) he is still a fair target for a clean out.
As for what you term “a shoulder to the face” it is legal because the laws for joining rucks state that you have to first bind with an arm, if you watch Vermeulen come in he has his right arm up to grab McCaw and his left arm low to bind to whoever the SA player in the ruck is. Furthermore the angle is fairly deceptive, the first contact is not a shoulder to the face, if it was McCaw would be seeing stars, Vermeulen’s head is in McCaw’s chest, he came in low for the cleanout deliberately to (a) get better drive and (b) avoid McCaw’s head.
McCaw was honestly in a fairly poor position in that ruck, he was too upright and had Vermeulen come from the other side of the halfback he would quite likely have smashed a few of McCaw’s ribs.
Greyling is still 100% in the wrong, but if you’re trying to paint Vermeulen as doing something wrong there then it is just typical NZ “don’t touch McCaw” nonsense sorry.
3:08pm
Jerry said | 3:08pm | Report comment
Watch the replay at 1:53 Kev – if you don’t think that’s a shoulder to the face, you need glasses.
3:22pm
Red Kev said | 3:22pm | Report comment
Watch the video for the 2s after 1:53 and you’ll see Vermeulen’s head in McCaw’s chest.
Watch the other angles of the incident and you’ll see it even more clearly.
But don’t let the facts ruin your point of view.
3:26pm
Jerry said | 3:26pm | Report comment
Head in the chest – so what?
Arms up to bind – so what?
His shoulder hits McCaw in the face. End of story. Doing some things legally doesn’t mean you’re allowed to do other illegal things.
I’m not a member of the ‘McCaw is untouchable’ brigade, but there’s a much bigger group of international rugby fans who seem to think “If McCaw is in a ruck, he’s cheating and is fair game” which is pretty pathetic IMO.
3:38pm
Red Kev said | 3:38pm | Report comment
It is not the end of the story otherwise Motu Matu’u would be banned for life. Either stop crying about legal play (this isn’t tiddlywinks) or pull your skirt up and flounce off home.
4:19pm
Jerry said | 4:19pm | Report comment
Internet hardman alert. I’m sorry, I didn’t realise I was speaking to the illegitimate son of Chuck Norris and Colin Meads.
For the record, I don’t think it’s anything more than a penalty. I’m not arguing the ‘don’t touch McCaw’ nonsense, but equally I’m not subscribing to the ‘McCaw is cheating in every ruck so he’s fair game’ nonsense.
4:38pm
Red Kev said | 4:38pm | Report comment
The only way you could call that a penalty is for entry from the side. And there is a reasonable case to make against Vermeulen for that. But there is absolutely nothing to your assertions that he is shouldering McCaw’s head and so should be penalised.
First contact matters.
Legally binding to the ruck first matters.
You don’t penalise someone because they make contact with someone’s head at some point during a tackle or clean out. If you did half the tackles would be penalties.
If McCaw truly took the force of that cleanout on his chin from Vermeulen’s shoulder he’d still be out cold today. The fact that he wasn’t even dazed by it proves he didn’t take more than partial contact.
5:06pm
Jerry said | 5:06pm | Report comment
I’ve given up on debating the contact with you Kev, it’s pointless. But I will comment on this “The fact that he wasn’t even dazed by it proves he didn’t take more than partial contact.”
Oh well, he didn’t look too dazed by Greyling either. Maybe we can see about quashing that suspension. What an absurd suggestion, people get up from head high tackles the time.
6:57pm
Rusty said | 6:57pm | Report comment
Congrats Dean Greyling – your test career is over
7:15pm
Red Kev said | 7:15pm | Report comment
A yellow, plus two more stupid penalties.
He is also such a poor scrummager you’d think he was Australian. His test career should never have started.
6:56pm
ohtani's jacket said | 6:56pm | Report comment
I’ve seen this game before. Close until the 60th minute and then a yellow card.
6:56pm
Jiggles said | 6:56pm | Report comment
Crap call
6:57pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:57pm | Report comment
Replay shows it was probably a good call. However (at the risk of being moderated) I think McCaw could have copped about 15-20 more of those over the years, too. So I won’t say he shouldn’t have done it!
6:59pm
jutsie said | 6:59pm | Report comment
Haha agree, probably my highlight of the tournament.
7:18pm
Ian Whitchurch said | 7:18pm | Report comment
Thats an idea. Haydn Ballintine to king hit McCaw … it could be a great blow against rugby league …
7:20pm
Jiggles said | 7:20pm | Report comment
Wrote that before I saw the replay, so I retract. The diving in off the feet I was ok with, but the aiming forearm at the opposition chin bit was a disgrace. The fat bugger should get 4 weeks for that.
6:55pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:55pm | Report comment
GOOSEN PASSED THE BALL EARLY, TO THE INSIDE CENTRE IN SPACE! #stopthetrolls
6:54pm
Johnno said | 6:54pm | Report comment
AB’S so offside ffs IRB refs stop cheating with the ab’s this is a joke so offside. sped of the mark so offside. And a kock on the touch judges didn’t say anything.
6:53pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:53pm | Report comment
Don’t tell me disciplining Aaron Smith worked and now he’s some kind of New Zealand robo-halfback that’s going to haunt my winters for the next decade…
6:52pm
Johnno said | 6:52pm | Report comment
Morne steyn is awful player as bad as Berrick barns and beale and quad cooper at the world cup last year. Send morn steyn to sydney uni he could of played in the grand final today more his level maybe not even that,
6:52pm
Jiggles said | 6:52pm | Report comment
Nice bit of work
6:52pm
ohtani's jacket said | 6:52pm | Report comment
Ok, that ruled. Screw all my complaints.
6:53pm
Jiggles said | 6:53pm | Report comment
Rubbish Bok structure aside, that was an amazing bit of play.
6:52pm
Kuruki said | 6:52pm | Report comment
Piri could not have scored that try. Stop wasting time and get Kerr-Barlow in there.
6:52pm
Red Kev said | 6:52pm | Report comment
Thank God, Goosen on for Steyn. But too late, he’d already given the ABs the ball and they score.
6:51pm
Ian Whitchurch said | 6:51pm | Report comment
Nice series of sidesteps
6:50pm
Chris said | 6:50pm | Report comment
FFS, Dagg is the best fullback in the world. Stop giving him catching practice!
6:50pm
Johnno said | 6:50pm | Report comment
The fans seem to be booing now this is crap.
6:50pm
ohtani's jacket said | 6:50pm | Report comment
This is the nadir of Tri-Nations rugby. Watch Lord blame the ref and Zavos wax about some rugby legend he met.
6:49pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:49pm | Report comment
They just showed Goosen warming up. Bronx cheer is appropriate.
I actually think Goosen putting Steyn and devilliers at speed into action would be a fantastic back line.
6:53pm
Red Kev said | 6:53pm | Report comment
I still think deVilliers is a liability. JP when he is back should be at 13.
7:00pm
Behold said | 7:00pm | Report comment
Goosen and Lambie would light up the Springboks back line in place of Morne and Kirchner.
6:48pm
Jiggles said | 6:48pm | Report comment
I really enjoy watching Jane play. Such a complete winger.
6:52pm
Kuruki said | 6:52pm | Report comment
He is so classy. Especially at International level
7:23pm
Jiggles said | 7:23pm | Report comment
Sure is. He really just does not do anything wrong. Him and Ioane as my ‘Jiggles Dream Team’ wingers.
6:46pm
Johnno said | 6:46pm | Report comment
So much for my 50 point win AB’s cricket score prediction lol
6:45pm
jutsie said | 6:45pm | Report comment
What use is morne if he doesn’t kick goals, bloody hell it should be game over.
6:43pm
Ian Whitchurch said | 6:43pm | Report comment
The biggest issue I have with rugby union is that kick was rewarded with three-fifths of a try.
6:45pm
Jiggles said | 6:45pm | Report comment
Stop watching then.
6:50pm
Ian Whitchurch said | 6:50pm | Report comment
Because I like everything to do with rugby union, except place kicks.
Everyone knows William Webb Ellis picked up the ball, waitied for the referee to blow the whistle, and then put the ball over the bar for three points.
7:27pm
Jiggles said | 7:27pm | Report comment
Thats like a six year old saying ‘I like everything about Christmas, except Santa Claus.’
Place kicks are an integral part of the game. The only reason why you don’t see more in League is because the Boss at the top sends directives down to make sure the game is TV friendly. The only people who have issue with this in union is the casual sports fan from Gordon, NSW 2072.
6:46pm
Kuruki said | 6:46pm | Report comment
Why on Earth would you keep kicking to Jane and Dagg who are probably the two best in the world under the high one.
6:40pm
ohtani's jacket said | 6:40pm | Report comment
At least the tries are good.
6:47pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:47pm | Report comment
The two tries have been fantastic. 1 and 2 for the tournament in some order I think.
6:40pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:40pm | Report comment
GET MORNE STEYN OFF!!! AAAAHHH
But Habana, always loved this guy’s effort, and that try was beautiful.
6:43pm
Red Kev said | 6:43pm | Report comment
What the hell is Meyer thinking?
6:40pm
Ian Whitchurch said | 6:40pm | Report comment
Saffers are sticking it up em
6:44pm
Kuruki said | 6:44pm | Report comment
That’s the thing. The All Blacks can play so shyt and then play 10 minutes of rugby at the end of the game and win. They seem to be going into matches beleiving this shyt and that’s exactly how they are playing. They have no fear of losing so have no intensity.
6:46pm
Chris said | 6:46pm | Report comment
South Africa are a better team than Argentina or Ireland… they may actually be able to offer a bit more resistance between the 70th and 80th minute.
6:40pm
WQ said | 6:40pm | Report comment
This game has been coming for the All Blacks, they are quite simply going through the motions, I hope they do not get away with this game they deserve to lose!
6:39pm
Jiggles said | 6:39pm | Report comment
Thank Christ
6:39pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:39pm | Report comment
Mhmmhmmmmm!
6:36pm
ohtani's jacket said | 6:36pm | Report comment
Remember the pick and go we used to do when things weren’t going well, Hansen?
6:31pm
Jiggles said | 6:31pm | Report comment
Honestly what tripe. The only thing keeping the World Champs in that no. 1 spot is the sheer incompetence of the South African and Australian coaching teams.
6:30pm
biltongbek said | 6:30pm | Report comment
How more pathetic can this get.
We butchered a certain try, missed 5 penalties of which 3 were very kickable, you do that against any team you’ll lose.
How the hell is Morne Steyn still on?
6:35pm
Johnno said | 6:35pm | Report comment
No idea biltongbek they should be 10 up.
6:28pm
veronica said | 6:28pm | Report comment
unlucky yes if you don”t have a game plan there is 2 halves in the game so why mess in the 2nd half if you have everything in the 1st, the AB is a team that you cannot trust they hard a hard 1st half against the pumas BUT they changed their game play and that is what the AB is very good in fully behind you ABS show the boks what your capabilities are
6:24pm
Kuruki said | 6:24pm | Report comment
This is disgusting. The entire RC has been terrible and i am not even remotely enjoying an All Black game for the first time in many years. This is a joke. These Northern Hemi refs are making it impossible for the game to flow and the players to build into any kind of rythm.
Steve Hansen also needs to cut the rubbish and our boys need to stop killing the ball and falling intentionally on the wrong side of the ruck.
Keep the ball tight and get the damn forwards rumbling up the paddock before we try to do anything else. Basic school boy shyt.
Argentina is my new team in this competition at least they have intensity. Everyone else is a joke.
6:27pm
Kuruki said | 6:27pm | Report comment
All three SA Aus and NZ have gone backwards. Forget the All Blacks hangover the entire rugby world is in a world cup hangover.
6:28pm
Johnno said | 6:28pm | Report comment
I agree Kuruki weel said other than Argentina the rest of the old 3 tri nations team need a good kick up the back side or they will lose fans and revenue which is what they worship no 1. Hit them where it hurts stop watching them i say. They better improve this 3 teams , getting sloppy. I hope tonights match on gold coast is better than this time wasting rubbish.
6:34pm
bucket06 said | 6:34pm | Report comment
Completely agree, and the irish referees are the worst!
6:23pm
Red Kev said | 6:23pm | Report comment
The Wallabies should offer Meyer a trade of Barnes for Lambie or Goosen. Meyer wants a kicking 10 who can actually place kick.
6:33pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:33pm | Report comment
Tee hee
6:21pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:21pm | Report comment
If Steyn comes back on the field for the second half I think Meyer is officially a worse coach than Deans.
Can’t believe he’s just allowing this to continue. Goosen isn’t a bad kick at goal either (lit up Super rugby with his kicking just as much as running) and he won’t kick the ball away on the overlapping counter-attack.
Pretty sweet World T20 ad btw. Those watching in Australia would have seen it anyway.
6:24pm
Chris said | 6:24pm | Report comment
Switched to Toyota Cup for Half-time, I’m sure Foxtel will replay it 1500 times in the next week though.
6:32pm
Red Kev said | 6:32pm | Report comment
I endorse your call EP, Meyer is officially worse than Deans.
6:20pm
ohtani's jacket said | 6:20pm | Report comment
This kicking is a joke.
6:19pm
Johnno said | 6:19pm | Report comment
I love rugby but this has been a terrible advertisement for the sport of rugby union, a very sloppy and boring andover reefed match again. If i was the IRB and SANZAR i would be getting annoyed and if i owned a media network. ANd Morne stein is losing value, can’t kick anymore.
6:16pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:16pm | Report comment
Weird that the Springboks get called for holding the ball when the All Black has clearly got it in his hands… can’t have held it too long.
6:12pm
ohtani's jacket said | 6:12pm | Report comment
The All Blacks are lucky the Boks are missing otherwise this would be Port Elizabeth all over again.
6:16pm
ohtani's jacket said | 6:16pm | Report comment
All Blacks worse half of the Rugby Championship coupled with our best try. If we had opponents capable of scoring tries we’d be in deep doo doo.
6:17pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:17pm | Report comment
Yep. And there is room around the edges of the field because the All Blacks are calling their bluff that the ball won’t appear there too often.
6:11pm
Chris said | 6:11pm | Report comment
Pity the Steyn twins left their kicking boots at home.
South Africa would be killing it.
6:11pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:11pm | Report comment
Drag Steyn now. If he can’t offer goals there’s no reason for him to be there. “Goosen! Warm up and great ready to make the All Blacks defend the whole width of the field!”
6:09pm
Red Kev said | 6:09pm | Report comment
That’s 2 last passes for an almost certain try that deVilliers has butchered, one behind Habana and one in front of Houggard. Someone hook him. And Morne and Sideshow Bob.
6:06pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:06pm | Report comment
The Boks’ maul tonight has been really quite impressive. They can flip field position through a single maul. The Wallabies don’t really have any tool like that at the moment.
5:56pm
ohtani's jacket said | 5:56pm | Report comment
Finally, something to cheer about in this Rugby Championship.
5:55pm
Johnno said | 5:55pm | Report comment
The cricket’s about to start boys. Dagg has hit the 1st boundary. Ironic smithy a former black cap wicket keeper is the commentator.
5:55pm
Elisha Pearce said | 5:55pm | Report comment
That last offload had to be forward…
5:56pm
Elisha Pearce said | 5:56pm | Report comment
It wasn’t though.
6:00pm
Behold said | 6:00pm | Report comment
Looked forward out of the hand but some how travelled backwards.
6:07pm
Elisha Pearce said | 6:07pm | Report comment
Was fairly ridiculous and just one of the reasons I hate Keiran “crazy eyes” Read!
5:23pm
Atawhai Drive said | 5:23pm | Report comment
All Blacks by 12.
4:53pm
biltongbek said | 4:53pm | Report comment
This is going to be ugly, not even sure I want to watch this.
4:59pm
Johnno said | 4:59pm | Report comment
bilotngbek one of worst book sides ever since 2003 book world cup team. Last years tri-nations were deliberate B team. Now this is best book side , and no bakkies. I fear a cricket score, dry track 50 points when you think the AB’S put 60 on the Irish. Watch it Biltonbek the pain will motivate you even more to sack Meyer. Wow the class of 2009 would be emmbaressed watching this book team, and they did well with P Devy, but smit and matfield were basically coaching the team.
4:59pm
Jiggles said | 4:59pm | Report comment
The ABs haven’t put a big score on anyone in the RC so far. They should’ve put 50 on a really bad Australian team however they are lacking in skills, execution and general polish.I think this is a good All Blacks team, but they are made to look better by very weak Springbok and Australian teams, possibly the worst I have seen in since the late 90s at least. The Wallabies of the late 90s, and even late 2010 would’ve put them away in Sydney but probably not Auckland.
I expect the ABs to win, but I think it will be by less than 15.
5:15pm
biltongbek said | 5:15pm | Report comment
Well there are a few reasons why I have little faith in this team, we are missing our “big” players in the forwards, Burger, Bismacrk and perhaps Brussow would have made a huge difference, currently there are no X factor in the forwards, they also don’t play as a collective unit.
We won’t secure quick ball, and even if we do, Pienaar will wait for another forward pod to set up, enough time for All Black defences to set up.
Steyn will be too deep to attack the line, so when he passes Fans Steyn will get the ball behind the gainline which immediately closes down our space on the outside.
De Villiers and Kirchner won’t pass when the opportunities arise because they will be looking for a landing strip to go to ground.
What is most shocking is the fact that Morne Steyn has only a 63% accuracy with the boot and yet he is still in the team.
5:24pm
Johnno said | 5:24pm | Report comment
And no JPpeterson and jacque fourie. And no bakkies on the bench watching not playing. And Fdeupreez in japan
5:48pm
Jiggles said | 5:48pm | Report comment
Yeah I think pressure has to be put on Meyer as he isn’t playing the right game plan for the team he has. I don’t think the big names that are missing would make much difference either. I still think the players are pretty talented and they’d be much much more successful if they decided to play a more dynamic game.
Boks and the Wobs have the same issues with regards to Coaches who can’t see seem to figure out what to do.
6:18pm
Pete said | 6:18pm | Report comment
hi biltongbek Im in Windang south of Sydney and also am a bit worried , but who know , where theres life theres hope hey?
Pete
4:52pm
atlas said | 4:52pm | Report comment
this cricket score stuff, a nz win by 10 would be fine with me.
Tired of waiting for this team to ‘click’ , a poor excuse for too much poor handling and decision making in the past 3 tests.
4:13pm
Johnno said | 4:13pm | Report comment
If the AB’s are in the mood and turn up it could be a cricket score. AB’S BY 50. South africa are awful right now, and man to man the AB’S have the books in every position. Not one book in this line up would make the AB’S starting 15. Not 1. frans steyn is the only 1 that would come close. Frans stein would make the AB’S 22 he is a world class great player but Dagg and Nonu would just get the edge. The rest wouldn’t come close. One of the worst books sides I have seen in the last 10 years. Shade of the 2003 rubbish world cup side the boks put out.
-And a long trip from perth to will hurt them n the 2nd half. AB’s by 50 if they want to switch on.
5:26pm
ohtani's jacket said | 5:26pm | Report comment
The All Blacks won’t even by 50 even if they play well. Their biggest margin of victory over the Boks is 36.
3:59pm
Chris said | 3:59pm | Report comment
ABs to win but closer than expected. South Africa were unlucky to lose last week and ABs have been playing badly for the quality of players they have.