Nine drops the rugby ball again
By HardcorePrawn, 18 Sep 2012 HardcorePrawn is a Roar Guru
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I’m getting to the point where I don’t understand Channel Nine’s raison d’être (that’s French for ‘reason for existence’, in case any of Nine’s execs are reading).
I certainly can’t understand why it chose to spend money on getting the rights to broadcast the Rugby Championship, as they seem to be lurching from one PR disaster to another.
This weekend saw Argentina play its first Championship match in Australia, and the Gold Coast host its first ever Rugby Test.
With the Wallabies failing to convince in previous games, and the Pumas impressing in their first three, I was looking forward to seeing two potentially evenly matched teams, albeit with differing styles of play, go head-to-head.
Now, I’m one of those types who can’t afford Foxtel, but am usually quite happy to settle down with my laptop and a live feed when there is a big game in the offing.
This night, though, I’d already promised my young son that we’d watch the evening’s episode of Doctor Who together instead; this was a given, it was called ‘Dinosaurs on a Spaceship’.
My boy couldn’t have been more excited about this if they’d introduced Jedi Knights and Lego into the plot too.
So I resigned myself to missing a live feed, avoiding the pub, and turning a blind eye to sports bulletins and online news feeds so as to not see the final score.
It was to be Channel Nine’s delayed telecast for me.
Being in Melbourne, this meant having to wait until both Charlotte’s Web and Nicolas Cage’s 14-year-old film City of Angels had finished first.
We’re clearly an eclectic lot, us Melburnians; where else would an unnecessary remake of a Wim Wenders movie be considered a bigger ratings draw than an international match? Nowhere, that’s where.
Unperturbed I found myself settled in my favourite armchair, drink in hand, waiting for the Rugby coverage to start at midnight. And what did I get: The opening credits, ‘Nine’s Wide World of Sports!’ and straight to the whistle and kick-off.
No preamble, no build-up, no player details, and probably most offensively, no national anthems. We weren’t even told which teams were playing.
If someone with no knowledge of the sport had tuned in, maybe after enjoying Cage’s portrayal as a fallen angel so much they decided to stick with Nine, the only clue to what they were watching would have come from the bold ‘Rugby Championship’ lettering on the pitch.
The game went on. Despite my grievances, and being unable to look up team selections online for fear of seeing the score, I found myself enjoying the match as Argentina proved more than a match for the Wallabies.
Naturally, there were ad breaks at inappropriate times, this I expected. Nine have bills to pay, and it seems to be the norm for Rugby coverage on a commercial network. And so, as half-time came Nine cut to another ad break – again, this was expected.
However, after only a few ads for Tom Waterhouse and other assorted services and products Nine returned to the match, and straight to a brief chat with Robbie Deans. A really brief chat, less than 30 seconds I would have thought. Then the game re-started. Again, no analysis, no review, and no highlights of the first half.
If that crowd of Cage fans were still watching they’d be thinking that Rugby players are a hardy bunch, only needing two or three minutes downtime before they’re at it again.
The final indignation came as Nine’s own commentary was cut off after the end of the game in order to show a interview with country singer Adam Brand (no, I’ve no idea who he is either). Obviously this was a higher priority to Nine’s execs than the final wrap-up of this historic match.
All in all, I felt cheated once again by Nine, they clearly have no interest in showing any rugby into Melbourne at a reasonable hour, and the lack of respect shown to the sport, their own commentators, and the two participating nations is astounding, even more so when we consider that one of those nations is Australia.
It all seemed as though this match was an inconvenience, and they’d rather be broadcasting anything else: a Cage film and an interview with a musician. Either of these could have been bumped in order to show this match nearer to kick-off time, or to have included anthems and pre-match analysis, and not rush the coverage to get it off their network as soon as humanly possible.
With Nine alienating the rugby-loving part of their audience again, and driving away any potential new rugby fans in Melbourne, I wonder how long will the ARU will stand for it?
I was watching in Melbourne, remember, where Australia’s newest Super Rugby team reside. With the ARU turning a blind eye to Nine’s mishandling of their sport, in what should be a growing market, they could potentially undo a fair amount of the work that the Rebels have done to promote the sport.
And with Melbourne having a large, and quite visible Argentinian population, as anyone who has ever attended the Johnston St Fiesta in Fitzroy can attest to, what damage has been done to the Rebels’ chances of gaining extra fans from the South American community?
I’d be interested to hear how Nine broadcast the match elsewhere in Australia from other Roarers. Was it live in your state? On Gem? Or was the delay and heavy editing at the expense of a Cage film (one that didn’t even have him as part of a crime-fighting father and daughter duo!), and an interview with a musician the norm throughout the land?
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September 18th 2012 @ 7:25am
moaman said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
Great story! I feel for you,mate.
September 18th 2012 @ 4:22pm
Vic said | September 18th 2012 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
Oddly for us Victorians they allowed the Wales test matches to be shown live on Gem, but in the rugby championship it is back to after midnight again.
The AFL and cricket would never let their sport be treated like this. I guess rugby is content on being a pay tv sport and knows it’s place in the greater scheme of things.
They only need to look at the NBL to know where that course of action will end up leading to. A-League and FFA should take a good look too to chose their paths well or cop the downward spiral basketball is on.
September 18th 2012 @ 9:38pm
Mike said | September 18th 2012 @ 9:38pm | Report comment
Spot on, Vic. We tie our broadcast fortunes to Pay TV, in a country with one of the lowest Pay TV penetration rates in the civilised world – not good strategy. There are people out there who will like Rugby but never see it – the best chance of exposing them to it is to have games running regularly on FTA TV.
September 19th 2012 @ 9:50am
HardcorePrawn said | September 19th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Isn’t Australian PayTV one of the world’s most expensive too? Whereas in some countries it’s quite affordable, here it is a luxury that most can’t afford.
September 19th 2012 @ 10:43am
Bakkies said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
But FTA won’t show it (otherwise without pay tv we won’t have live tv coverage at all). We don’t have a national competition so the majority of games are from overseas (the european and south african games aren’t at tv friendly times). It’s better then remaining amateur and lose our players to league or overseas teams.
September 19th 2012 @ 3:02pm
Mike said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
No-one can say that “FTA won’t show it” – that is the whole point of this thread. Everything is negotiable.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:40pm
Bakkies said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:40pm | Report comment
FTA putting it on delay at late hours for families is almost as bad as not showing it. FTA isn’t offering hundreds of millions to bankroll Rugby so that’s why it is on pay tv. The more exclusive rights Foxsports has the more they will pay out to keep the game afloat in Australa. FTA have the option of televising Super Rugby matches on delay but they aren’t interested.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:46pm
Mike said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:46pm | Report comment
No, its not “FTA” that is putting it on delay at late hours, it is Nine. Nine and FTA are not the same thing.
“The more exclusive rights Foxsports has the more they will pay out to keep the game afloat in Australa.” – Of course media will pay more for exclusive rights as a general principle. But that doesn’t mean that it is overall the best deal that can be made. That is particularly so when Pay TV has a very low audience in Australia.
You haven’t stated a single reason why the ARU shouldn’t explore a deal with e.g. SBS for some games. Anyone who sees Foxsports as some sort of altruistic benefactor for the game is naive.
“FTA have the option of televising Super Rugby matches on delay but they aren’t interested.”
That is just too broad a statement to mean anything. Commercial negotiations require a broad approach in which every relevant factor is taken into account.
September 20th 2012 @ 9:28am
Mike said | September 20th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
I should add, my comments in the preceding post are talking about moving forward – I don’t deny that the original deals with Foxsports brought much needed capital into the code, and this has been at least partly well-used so that we now have five professional teams in an excellent international comp.
But I am saying that I don’t think that means that the ARU must stick with Pay TV as its only option moving forward, and I agree with others on this thread who think we should be looking seriously at FTA, other than Nine (in which we have been dumped by Foxsports).
September 20th 2012 @ 9:48am
Bakkies said | September 20th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Mike I suggest you look at the articles relating to the contracts with Foxsports. FTA can’t show live Super Rugby. That means no network so you are wasting your time writing comments about looking to free to air. There aren’t enough games at suitable times that would keep FTA interested to pay more money and there is no guarantee that they would show them live. If Foxsports didn’t have that in their contract they wouldn’t offer as much money. The FTA networks have the options of having the rights to televise it on a two hour delay but no one is interested. Ch 7 had those rights in ’96 and dropped it after a few seasons. The Ch 7 commentators Poidevin, Bray and co used to do the commentary which featured on Foxsports but they were dropped for Clarke, Kearns and Martin.
I and others have mentioned several times below about SBS being an option for broadcasting matches.
”No, its not “FTA” that is putting it on delay at late hours, it is Nine. Nine and FTA are not the same thing. ”
Ch 7 did exactly the same thing. If they had the NRL rights at the time that had Rugby they would do exactly the same thing as Ch 9 are doing now. At least Ch 10 did the right thing by not buying the Rugby rights when they had Saturday night AFL. That would have been a disaster for Rugby fans. Last time I read Ch 9 are a FTA network. 9 and 7 are as bad as each other. ABC can’t afford club Rugby let alone pro test and super rugby. The options are limited in the Australian tv market.
September 20th 2012 @ 10:31am
Mike said | September 20th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Bakkies, mate, stop trying to shift the goalposts. You wrote as though Nine is all of FTA, yet the whole point of this thread is about looking at FTA alternatives to Nine. Several people have already written on this thread that SBS is an option. If you think we are wasting our time, then how about you respond to some of the posts of others below?
We are not wasting our time, but you are wasting your time with your blind refusal to consider any other option but Foxsports.
September 20th 2012 @ 10:35am
Mike said | September 20th 2012 @ 10:35am | Report comment
Could you also please keep on topic? The article is about telecasting test matches, yet for some reason you keep making irrelevant comments about S15.
September 21st 2012 @ 10:58am
Bakkies said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
”Spot on, Vic. We tie our broadcast fortunes to Pay TV, in a country with one of the lowest Pay TV penetration rates in the civilised world – not good strategy. There are people out there who will like Rugby but never see it – the best chance of exposing them to it is to have games running regularly on FTA TV.”
Mike you made this comment so I am responding to it. Super Rugby is well Rugby so I am responding to your general remark about having games regularly on pay tv and is completely relevant to the thread. Australians are demanding regular exposure to the game not just the Wallabies. There is more to Rugby than just test matches. FTA need more than just 8 test matches at a decent hour to show any real monetary interest in Rugby. That’s where Super Rugby comes in and due to Foxsports contract (which is fair because they pump the money in) they can’t show it live.
I suggest you read the whole thread and not just your posts. I have responded to plenty of comments made by other posters. The truth of the matter is that there aren’t many FTA networks in Australia that are truly interested in televising ”live” Rugby. The pay tv networks not FTA subsidise professional Rugby in the SH so they get to call the shots. Unlike Australia, SA and NZ don’t have live FTA coverage of test matches. SBS is just a theory they have to be approached or show an interest in televising live Rugby. You can’t just force them to televise it.
September 21st 2012 @ 10:06pm
Mike said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:06pm | Report comment
Bakkies the article above is about telecasts of tests. Virtually all of the comments have also been about tests, which is logical, and so was my comment. You have tried to argue that this shouldn’t happen because S15 is tied up with Pay TV, which is inherently illogical.
You also appear to be under the impression that you are the only person on this blog that knows the contractual situation of S15. Perhaps think before posting next time. And yes, I have read all of the thread.
“The pay tv networks not FTA subsidise professional Rugby in the SH so they get to call the shots.”
In the context of this thread about telecasts of test rugby, this is incorrect and based on incorrect premises.
“Unlike Australia, SA and NZ don’t have live FTA coverage of test matches”
Thank you for the irrelevant statement.
“SBS is just a theory they have to be approached or show an interest in televising live Rugby”
Thank you for a statement of the blindingly obvious; not a single person on this thread has suggested otherwise.
“You can’t just force them to televise it.”
And in other breaking news, the sky is blue.
September 26th 2012 @ 9:14am
Bakkies said | September 26th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
and your world is black and white. I don’t know why I bother engaging with you. You come across as a pompous git.
September 18th 2012 @ 6:10pm
JC said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
The ARU need to sort this out. There is now a cohort of children, from households without Foxtel, who will not see live Wallabies games. How is rugby going to entice them in the code?
September 18th 2012 @ 7:28am
nickoldschool said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:28am | Report comment
Very nice read Hardcore.
Oz is really the country of paradoxes: the Shute Shield’s final was live on ABC in the arvo (Sydney comp) while the national team’s match was delayed on 9 after the Souths v Raiders’ game. Even if it makes sense to have NRL finals game on fta in NSW, i dont understand how the ARU or whoever signs the deal with fta channels can not demand, in the contract, that all games played by the wallabies be shown live on the channel.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:38am
Dasher said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
Can you please send this to Nine and the ARU? Enough’s enough.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:47am
Ross said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Absolutely diabolical. I thought the Sydney experience was crap. Very sad to read how much worse it was in Melbourne. Delayed coverage started at 9:50pm in Sydney. Certainly too late for fathers to watch with their sons.
For those of you dreaming of a third tier comp in Australia to build our depth and rival the Currie Cup and ITM Cup, then this is the reality of where Rugby is in the competitive landscape of professional sports. Without reasonable free to air support we can’t grow the income level of the professional game. We should be thankful we have five professional teams through the Pay TV deal, it is underwriting Australian Rugby.
It looks like hosting the home games of The Rugby Championship in Australia in September is the big scheduling lesson here. Did someone really think the Rugby could compete with AFL and NRL finals games? Our boys should have been on tour now.
September 18th 2012 @ 12:40pm
El Gamba said | September 18th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
It is terrible in Melbourne, I have a conspiracy theory about AFL working with Channel 9 to torpedo any challengers in the Victorian marketplace.
Obviously channel 9 don’t have AFL rights but I reckon there is some behind closed doors deals/threats things like AFL player access for interviews, highlights etc.
It’s credible but then doesn’t excuse their incompetence in other states!
September 18th 2012 @ 5:58pm
Vic said | September 18th 2012 @ 5:58pm | Report comment
The AFL? Don’t you mean the NRL? They are the one’s getting union bumped. AFL is on Seven.
You NSW people are funny about your obsession with what the AFL is up to. Don’t forget the AFL let’s union use it’s stadium in Melbourne.
Why don’t they get their games on Ten and get the contract water tight so games are shown live across the nation. Used to always be on Seven and the ABC before that. We just always have these problems with anything that is associated with a rugby league network.
September 19th 2012 @ 10:12am
HardcorePrawn said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
I think El Gamba’s theory holds water.
Nine still broadcast the Footy Show, the Sunday Footy Show, and Footy Classified – 3 shows about a sport they don’t even have the rights to broadcast – so need to maintain a strong relationship with the AFL to have access to players, coaches, match footage etc. They probably also want to be in a position whereby they can negotiate for coverage once Seven’s deal with the AFL is up too.
Andrew Demetriou does come across a little paranoid where other sports are concerned, I’ve certainly seen interviews with him where he’s decried the A League, the NRL, and basketball as being inferior “products” to the AFL. So it wouldn’t surprise me if Gyngell and his stooges are deliberately keeping the AFL sweet, and I certainly wouldn’t be shocked if to do so they were burying both rugby codes in Melbourne.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:03am
TC said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
You’ve seen interviews with Andrew Demetriou decrying other sports as inferior products?
I call BS on that one.
TC
September 18th 2012 @ 7:50am
B-Rock said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
I recently dropped Foxtel post SR season and find the nine coverage so much worse than fox – It is an absolute disgrace – not much better in Sydney – they were showing an extended debrief of the NRL game then cut straight to the rugby with no build up/anthems/etc.
Nine could not do this more cheaply and poorly – they use the fox feed (which I actually dont mind with the exception of Kearns) and cut the ads in as much as possible (which I hate), delaying the telecast or missing the action.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:51am
Markus said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
As much as Foxtel s***s me to tears sometimes, their sporting coverage (NRL, AFL, cricket, all rugby) is light years ahead of the commercial TV networks, and the only real reason I keep renewing each month.
I don’t mind Kearns, either. Once you acknowledge that everything he says will be one-eyed and probably wrong, it’s actually quite entertaining.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:01am
Pies&Beer said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
9 have been tampering and knocking rugby league fans for decades now with pathetic coverage. It’s nothing new really, only difference is the code. Get used to it unfortunately. 9′s coverage suck and Dave Gyngell’s head is so far up his you know what that it won’t change anytime soon. Not until all the pies&beer get to his heart anyway.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:49am
Bazza said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
@Pie and beers…………You would think with such an attractive and intelligent wife he would keep himself in better nick.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:27am
Christo the Daddyo said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
I actually don’t have a problem with Ch 9 giving preference to the NRL game – there’s no doubt far more people would watch that than the rugby. What I can’t understand is why they wouldn’t broadcast the rugby live on their digital channel. That way almost everyone is happy.
Commercial networks really do kick own goal after own goal.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:32am
Gav said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
It’s to do with the advertising dollar and viewer retention after the League final, in NSW/QLD markets.
Obviously else where, they couldn’t give a toss.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:43am
Hoy said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
Anti Siphoning mumbo jumbo.
Channel 9 have gone down the gurgler for the last few years with regards to sports coverage. Really down the gurgler I think.
Their cricket coverage is starting be dumbed down for the lowest common demoninator, their league coverage is just hanging in their by a thread, whilst their ads talk about the history of the game etc, and now their rugby is just pitiful. It is the best example of hoarding sports I can think of. Purchasing the rights so it doesn’t compete with other programs they are showing.
It was an international rugby game. I don’t understand why the ARU agreed with this. Anything was better than what we are getting now.
September 18th 2012 @ 1:31pm
redsnut said | September 18th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
“Anti-siphoning mumbo jumbo”
Yes, it’s crap. Even if a FTA channel buys the rights, under the legislation they do NOT have to broadcast it live.
That’s a ridiculous situation.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:37am
Gonzo said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
I encourage you all to post your thoughts on the Channel Nine Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/Channel9).
I’ve found that , in the past, to get an actual response these days you have to voice your complaints on social media. This calls for a concerted effort from the nations MANY disenfranchised rugby fans otherwise Nine just won’t listen.
September 18th 2012 @ 9:38am
soapit said | September 18th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
just tried posting a link to this article there but it wouldnt work. maybe someone else could try and figure it out
September 18th 2012 @ 9:52am
Gonzo said | September 18th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Yeah – I did the same but it seemed to disappear to somewhere unseen. It looks like they post up articles related to specific programmes and I see that there’s a post a bit further down the page related to “live” NRL and rugby coverage. Will post on that.
September 18th 2012 @ 2:58pm
HardcorePrawn said | September 18th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
It seems as though a link has been posted on the Nine Facebook page (thank you Ross, if you’re here too). It seems as though Nine are taking a bit of a pounding from rugby fans over there.
September 18th 2012 @ 3:08pm
Ross said | September 18th 2012 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
Yep, I’m here, you’re welcome. This is where I got the suggestion to post on nines FB page
September 18th 2012 @ 4:12pm
soapit said | September 18th 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
we will have to try and remember to do so every time an article like this pops up.
September 18th 2012 @ 6:16pm
Football United said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:16pm | Report comment
Yeah i would but i got banned from both of their pages after mentioning the real problem behind rugby (league and union) scheduling in melbourne. AFL fanboy Len Downs, who is the channel 9 programming manager in Melbourne, detests the rugby’s and flat out refuses to allow it to be shown unless his arm is twisted. Confirmed this after i made a phone call to 9 complaining about their lack of Live friday nrl coverage and eventually was put through to Mr Downs who told me to “Shut up because no one gives a f**k about Rugby in Victoria”.
September 18th 2012 @ 6:18pm
Football United said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:18pm | Report comment
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/raw-tv-deal-remains-despite-origin-boom-20091123-ix9y.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/channel-nines-delayed-grand-final-replay-strewn-with-sex-ads/story-e6frfgbo-1225705546304
http://www.theage.com.au/news/League/Rating-state-of-origin/2005/06/14/1118645812304.html
Articles highlighting how much the stooge cares for League, you can imagine it’s even worse for Union.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:58am
Gonzo said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Disgraceful excuse of a man this Downs fella. The links above should be posted on the ARU Facebook page here:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Australian-Rugby-Union/107985452562658
Lets hammer these guys!
September 19th 2012 @ 8:02am
Gonzo said | September 19th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
Actually, maybe best via a login on the official ARU website.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:54am
Red Kev said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
I feel your pain HardcorePrawn.
Nine’s coverage is terrible, but as pointed out it always has been for other sports. The only one they ever got right was the cricket, and even then you would still miss a lot of the match before the digital channels became available for you to watch when they interrupted for the news.
The ARU knew exactly what the coverage would be like when they signed with ‘nein’ – blame JON and his cronies for not giving the coverage to the ABC or Ten (who have no sport and should have leapt at the chance).
As for those of you that don’t have Foxtel – consider buying an Xbox and using the Foxtel on 360 service – I can’t install Foxtel where I rent so it’s a good option.
PROs – The cost for the rugby is about $40 per month (basic + sport + xbox gold membership) and you can cancel and re-join at any time with no penalty fees.
CONs – You only get one sports channel so you aren’t guaranteed the rugby (some super rugby matches weren’t shown live due to Grand Slam tennis events) and only about 75% of the rugby club episodes get shown. Also it uses your internet connection (streams at about 800Mb/Hr – meaning you need a good connection and decent monthly limit) so the picture quality is poorer than TV, and you can’t record programs (which is a bummer for the games in SA during the super rugby season – I actually think there may be a way around that using the game capture devices they use to post to YouTube but I haven’t looked into it yet) or pause and replay the live stream.
It’s a cheap and dirty compromise but better than nothing and better than Nine that’s for sure, at least you get to see some non-Wallaby rugby.
September 18th 2012 @ 10:21am
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 10:21am | Report comment
Kev, you can get the same Foxtel packages through Telstra’s T-Box, too, which saves you the XBox Gold Membership if you’re not game-inclined. Some smart TVs can get it too..
September 18th 2012 @ 10:33am
Red Kev said | September 18th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Ooh I didn’t know that – good pie.
September 18th 2012 @ 2:16pm
MR said | September 18th 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
Brett – the problem is once you’ve got rugby on T-Box you need the ‘starter pack’ – try getting rid of Foxtel once the kids discover nickelodeons, & the wife discovers she’s got MTV again…….I had enough battles getting Foxtel out of the house, now it’s gone the TV’s only on for a few hours a day at the most & my kids have discovered those quaint things called books, paints, & for my 10yr old – axes & tree trunks.
In NZ you can sign-up for a rugby package, don’t need to get anything else.
Oh yeah, T-Box has a dedicated NRL channel & a dedicated AFL channel, it’s like they want to rub salt into the wound.
September 18th 2012 @ 3:06pm
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 3:06pm | Report comment
MR, I’m merely pointing out that a package is available, how the flow-on effects are dealt with are up to the signee.
And those NRL and AFL channels are on TBox anyway, they’re not part of the Foxtel package. This is where Telstra are recouping some of their mobile/IPTV rights purchase from either code..
September 18th 2012 @ 3:34pm
MR said | September 18th 2012 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
Correct Brett. it’s up to the signee to control their family. I’ve had Foxtel & discovered my kids turn into tv addicts, so simpler not to have it at all.
My point with the NRL & AFL on T-Box but no rugby was that it was just one more kick in the guts %-) as teh T-Box is advertisied as having 4 free sports channels, yep, 1 AFL, 1 NRL, 1 highlights (NRL, AFL, & golf), 1 sports news.
It’s actually an affordable package on the T-Box, with the ‘no contract’ being a real bonus. Then again, I’m up to my 4th T-Box in under 3 yrs, they’re not exactly a wellmade reliable product. The early adopters had all sorts of problems with them.
September 18th 2012 @ 3:50pm
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
your point about the NRL and AFL is still a bit misguided though, MR. Telstra don’t have a dedicated rugby channel on the TBox because they don’t hold the digital rights to rugby in Australia. It’s that simple.
They spent big money acquiring the digital rights for the NRL and AFL, on the other hand, and so are able to offer the service. Note, I believe only the AFL channel had live games this year, though that may change next year for the NRL too..
(And I certainly take your last point, too. It was the early issues being reported by TBox users that ultimately pointed me to Foxtel..)
September 18th 2012 @ 4:45pm
MR said | September 18th 2012 @ 4:45pm | Report comment
Fair point Brett, I was just having a whinge. After 20 yrs of living in Vic I’m normally grateful to see ANY rugby so when people start arcing up about the coverage I’m happy to join in with my largely uninformed & emotional opinion !
It was interesting to see 9 change the way they were covering the RWC based on all the complaints, the RC might be a bridge too far.
September 18th 2012 @ 9:02am
TK said | September 18th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
I know Ten’s struggling, but couldn’t One HD take on the rugby rights? Local SR matches and Wallabies fixtures at the very least would be a big step up. When do the next lot of negotiations begin?
September 18th 2012 @ 10:45am
Whites said | September 18th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
The current deal is 2011-2015. So not till 2016.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:05am
TK said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Thanks Whites. Three more years then…
September 18th 2012 @ 12:51pm
Elisha Pearce said | September 18th 2012 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
I actually think Channel 9 would consider selling the rights sooner than that.
I’ve read in a few business/media sections that the holding company of Channel 9 owes 3.8 billion dollars in debt and they need to service 2.8 billion by Feb 2013. If that doesn’t happen they’ll most likely fall into receivership of some sort, most likely to a couple of smaller investment companies that are smaller parts of the share structure.
If 9 thought there was a way they could make up the 2.8bil part of that could be selling off some assets. Rugby coverage that they aren’t really making the most out of could be part of that.
The catch is that Channel 10 seems just about as messed up as 9 these days. SBS might be just as rich as 10 these days.
September 18th 2012 @ 1:34pm
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
EP, they do have the Lions series and RWC2015 too though, and they would know the obvious value in those. I can’t see then letting those series go..
September 18th 2012 @ 2:33pm
HardcorePrawn said | September 18th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
The Lions series! Oh how I despair at what we may get served up for that. I suspect delayed telecasts of the tests, and no coverage of the regional matches at all.
My hope is that if Nine do have to offload rights in order to pay back some of their monumental debts, then this series will be one of the first to be picked up by someone else (“Please SBS and ABC….”).
Failing that, I see a big pick-up in Foxtel subscriptions prior to the series starting, but I imagine that Nine will still be pushing their “Watch it live” ads come next June, just as they did prior to last year’s World Cup.
September 18th 2012 @ 3:07pm
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
Hardcore, from memory, Nine had the Lions series first, then they decided to get the two RWCs, and it was only after that they decided to pick up the Domestic Tests, too…
September 18th 2012 @ 4:47pm
Mango Jack said | September 18th 2012 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Great. can’t wait for that pygmie-brained twit Hadley to spoil the coverage a la RWC.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:40pm
Minz said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:40pm | Report comment
If last year’s RWC coverage is anything to go by (RWC? What RWC? Haven’t seen any RWC here! Want to watch the league?), we’re in for another s**t sandwich. Ho hum.
September 18th 2012 @ 4:57pm
simon said | September 18th 2012 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
Please please please sell them to SBS, they do such great coverage with sport. Ignoring logistics and their own direction, I could see them win all the sport over the next 15 years just on the fact that they care about their presentation and programming
September 19th 2012 @ 1:19am
IronAwe said | September 19th 2012 @ 1:19am | Report comment
Likewise ABC, I didn’t see it, but my Dad says their coverage of the first World Cup was excellent!