Wallabies: Not pretty at times, but a win’s a win…
By Brett McKay, 18 Sep 2012 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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Wallabies player Radike Samo drops the ball on the tryline during the Rugby Union International between Australia and Argentina at Skilled Park on the Gold Coast (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)
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The best way of looking at the Wallabies’ 23-19 win over Argentina? It could and probably should have been a whole lot better, but as we’ve seen over the last month, it could’ve been a whole lot worse, too.
And with that in mind, there probably isn’t a whole lot of point in trying to paint this game as the win that gets the Wallabies back on track, because there’s plainly a lot of work to do still.
Likewise, there’s not much point sinking the boot in either, because there was still plenty to like.
It was one of those games where for just about every positive you can draw from the result, there’s something not so flash to cancel it out. However, a win is a win.
Yet even in saying this, I still found it an enjoyable game to watch, which judging by comments made since, is not necessarily a universal opinion.
A repeat viewing on Sunday confirmed my position, and indeed, the second half contained some of the more enjoyable rugby played so far in The Rugby Championship.
The good
The Wallaby locks ran out with 110 Tests between them, and even by halftime, it was hard to believe that one of them was playing in his first.
Kane Douglas really did have the Boy’s Own debut, getting lineout touches early, putting on some absolute bell-ringing tackles in defence, and provided quality running and ruck involvement all night.
You always hope a debutant finds his feet, but Douglas went better than that; he looked like he belonged.
The Wallabies will lose some invaluable experience in the locking department in 2012, but Douglas’ first outing provides confidence that there’s another young guy ready to the take the next step.
The Wallaby backs looked a whole lot more adventurous than they have in the last month, and though they both produced errors throughout the game, the credit for this adventure must go to rookie scrumhalf Nick Phipps and flyhalf Quade Cooper.
Phipps did everything asked of him on the night, plus a few things that weren’t, and in general did everything quickly and crisply.
There was no evident standing over the ball in his game, and his service to Cooper was solid for the most part. Yes, his box kicks were terrible at times, but he got to the ruck quickly, and showed some good vision to set up Digby Ioane’s match-winning try.
Pat McCabe was solid in midfield, and despite the preconceived ideas about his passing game still being expressed in the post-mortems, it was interesting to see how often he became the focal point of set-plays inside Los Pumas’ half.
The fact that Cooper looked to play with width for the most part was pleasing though, and this in turn brought out the running games of Adam Ashley-Cooper, young flyer Dom Shipperley, and deserved man-of-the-match Ioane.
If Cooper does find top form again in 2012, we may well look back on this game as the point where things started again for him. Again, he wasn’t flawless, but he is asking questions of the defence again, and the Wallabies are better for it.
On that topic, similar could be said of Kurtley Beale. It was a small thing in the context of his season, but nailing a penalty goal like he did in the last few minutes could well be the spark that sees the confidence flooding back.
The less-than-good
The scrum held its own in the first half, but not so much in the second half, where it wasn’t just towelled up, it copped the full linen press.
Ben Alexander, again, seemed to be on the receiving end of a front row master class from a well-experienced opponent, though perhaps this just shows that Rodrigo Roncero is still one of the best scrummaging props in world rugby.
Kicking down the throat of receivers remains an annoying habit, and you’d truly think that after playing the All Blacks and Springboks – both teams more than well equipped when it comes to fielding clearing kicks – that the penny might drop at some point.
It would seem to me that either the kicks need to be targeted toward space more, or if there’s none, the chase needs to be more concerted with a view to creating a contest. Otherwise, it’s just handing the ball over, and you’ll rarely win games without the ball.
I have to ask the question about Benn Robinson, too. If Robinson’s only good for 40 minutes per Test across two stints, and with a 40+ minute break between said stints, is that truly acceptable for the supposed best loosehead in the country?
This whole ‘tactical substitution’ rort has a bad smell about it, too, and the trial of the extra bench prop cannot come soon enough, in this former scrumhalf’s humble opinion.
So if someone like Greg Holmes truly is out of the picture, the question then becomes is it time for James Slipper to start with Alexander (preferred positions notwithstanding), with Robinson coming on for the last half hour?
In fact, is Robinson doing enough to hold a place at all?
The heart of the matter
The fact remains that Argentina are a quality side, and indeed, the Wallabies are the third side of three to find out the hard way that Los Pumas aren’t in The Rugby Championship just to make up the numbers.
Suggestions that they will win the comp by 2014 might seem far-fetched, but certainly couldn’t be discounted on the form they’ve shown. They’ll rate their chances against the Wallabies in Rosario later this month, but they might also fancy their chances of taking some points away from the somewhat erratic All Blacks in La Plata, too.
So yes, the Wallabies were a bit off, and yes, there’s still room for a lot of improvement. A lot of room, if we’re honest. Heaps of room. No shortage of room, whatsoever.
In reality, the Wallabies played about as well as Argentina allowed them to. Australia played well enough to win on the night, but let’s not discount the quality of the opposition in what was a pretty hard-fought win.
That said, while it wasn’t perfect, it wasn’t quite the horror show being painted in some quarters, either.
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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September 18th 2012 @ 6:32am
El Gamba said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:32am | Report comment
Good article Brett. I agree, plenty to work on but heading in the right direction.
I like the halves pairing and it will take some time to work out the timing but when the team works that out who better than QC to put you in the whole.
September 18th 2012 @ 6:34am
sheek said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
Brett – the voice of reason – well said.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:47am
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
a good morning to Mr Russell, too, on the off chance he drops by..
September 18th 2012 @ 6:45am
moaman said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:45am | Report comment
Brett—-A very sober assessment and a welcome one from this neutral.The Roar has been a sad old place in recent weeks and I’m hoping this signals the reawakening of the more positive place I have come to know and enjoy.
Your ” A lot of room, if we’re honest. Heaps of room. No shortage of room, whatsoever.” almost had me snorting hot chocolate through my nostrils! A close call,indeed. I wanted to add…”acres of room,oodles…..” ad infinitum
September 18th 2012 @ 6:53am
soapit said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:53am | Report comment
agreed, a realistic assessment of where we are at. much better than a loss and some good signs but not close to where we’d really like to be yet.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:21am
sheek said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:21am | Report comment
moaman,
No greek-like observations to offer this morning…?
September 18th 2012 @ 7:27am
moaman said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:27am | Report comment
September 18th 2012 @ 7:49am
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:49am | Report comment
we’ll call it even then, Moa, your almost-snorting nearly had me coughing toast!!
September 18th 2012 @ 9:06am
Elisha Pearce said | September 18th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
I like winning, Brett! It really does help. There is about 50mins of game time where we need to look at what we were doing (nothing much) and find a way to fix it. When we started really playing rugby we looked quite ok.
Argentina had a foot on the line for their try and I think that’s countered by a little bit of blocking/obstruction on our try possibly too. All square there. Argentina were a good side on the weekend – hard to push around.
In The Australian someone pointed out these numbers: Since we last squared off in 2003 Argentina has only played somewhere around 60 tests to our 120. I think that shows there’s a lot more improvement to come from this side. It’s going to be great having them around.
I hope some good young Argentina players start looking to get into the Super Rugby scene now. Especially their midfield backs. If they could get just a little more creativity and/or explosiveness out of that part of their play their national side would be very, very tough. I was going to suggest the Force and Rebels might be good landing points for them – from Australian perspective anyway – but realistically either the Cheetahs/Lions or Highlanders/Hurricanes could be great nurseries that could do with a little boost as well.
Oh, and this weekend Dagg, Habana and Cabello were the top 3 tries of the tournament so far. In some order.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:09am
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
Agree on those tries EP, they were all crackers, and I agree on you point about the number of Tests the Pumas play, too. Once they start playing more regularly, as they are now, I don’t think it’ll take long to start climbing from no.8..
September 18th 2012 @ 6:54am
kingplaymaker said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
The crucial thing with Argentina is that they’re coached by Graham Henry. This means they have world class coaching now to match the talent in the team and it is this which has made their entry into TRC this year so successful.
If Kane Douglas is or will be a good lineout lock, it would be tempting to partner him with S.Timani when Sharpe goes as this would get a lot of power into the pack.
The Wallabies pack has looked the best this year for a long time even against powerful units. This is because it has been built around an axis of power in TPN, Timani/Douglas, Palu/Samo.
Phipps I thought was ok but decision-making was a problem and very often he seemed to change the direction of attack from one side to another, without too much reason.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:06am
Halleys Comet said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:06am | Report comment
KPM the Argies gave the ABs a very hard time last world cup without Sir Graham coaching, so they were very competitive without him (well coached). Having said that I’m sure he brings a lot to their team, I suspect Robbie Deans could benefit from his input…
September 18th 2012 @ 7:07am
kingplaymaker said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:07am | Report comment
As I’m sure Henry could benefit from Deans’ input.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:22am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
kpm – how exactly could henry benefit from deans input?!?!
September 18th 2012 @ 7:26am
kingplaymaker said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:26am | Report comment
They’re both excellent coaches so they could doubtless benefit from each other.
September 18th 2012 @ 3:14pm
Halleys Comet said | September 18th 2012 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
Whats there respective win loss ratios?, I’m not sure RD is in the same league KPM, but it was fun dangling bait this am…. nice bite
September 18th 2012 @ 7:27am
Darwin Stubbie said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:27am | Report comment
Delusion abounds as usual …. And what a disservice paid out to Argentina’s actual coaches
September 18th 2012 @ 7:39am
kingplaymaker said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
Who seem to be coaching a team that looks remarkably similar to Graham Henry’s All Blacks.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:59am
Ben.S said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
Except they don’t at all. Literally no comparison.
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Brett – agree. Not brilliant but not atrocious. Middle ground kind of vibe. Tough few weeks ahead, however.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:33am
Jerry said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
How do you justify this statement KPM –
Argentina play it tight in the forwards, mauling or hitting up close to the ruck and put the ball behind the opposition trying to play for territory. They’ve been playing this game for ages, and playing it fairly well for the past 5-6 years – it’s now they got that 3rd placing in 07 and it’s how they kept the 1/4 final against the AB’s close for most of the match.
What they don’t do is offload in contact or look to play with width to any degree remotely comparable to the AB’s under Henry.
September 18th 2012 @ 1:37pm
Mike said | September 18th 2012 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
I agree Jerry, but I expect GH will also start to work on those things too after a season or so! How long is his contract with Argentina?
September 18th 2012 @ 2:52pm
Jerry said | September 18th 2012 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
No idea, Mike.
He is still signed with the NZRU in a development role and will also be acting as an assistant for the Blues next season (I doubt many sides can claim to have two coaches who’ve been knighted) so he can’t be involved full time with the Pumas.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:13am
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
I don’t know it’s “crucial” thing, KPM, but certainly the way the Argentinean midfielders rushed up at times had Henry elements about it. Otherwise, they looked pretty classic Los Pumas to me; they’ve always defended very narrowly and rushed out, and they’ve always been capable of scoring breakout tries like Cabello did from the kickoff..
BenS, agree it’s a tough road trip coming up, no question..
September 18th 2012 @ 6:55am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:55am | Report comment
i’d like to see the AB’s lose a match. it cant continue that they play badly and still win. losing gives lessons and AB’s arent learning theirs. would prefer AB’s lose a game to puma’s than the rest of sanzar.
in regards to the wb’s i’m hoping this is the turning point. their comeback from this game was awesome and showed intestinal fortitude.
September 18th 2012 @ 6:46am
moaman said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:46am | Report comment
I’d like to see them knock Lithuania off top spot 1st Mania,if you don’t mind!
September 18th 2012 @ 6:52am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:52am | Report comment
no moaman i dont mind. how many more wins do they need?
September 18th 2012 @ 7:20am
moaman said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:20am | Report comment
Four to match it (18) and then…..;-)
September 18th 2012 @ 7:22am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
ok MM, i retract what i said bout AB’s losing. not a big deal if we go thru this entire season winning ugly
September 18th 2012 @ 10:26am
Sage said | September 18th 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Would love to support you Moa but in 3 games time you’re on at Suncorp so unfortunately it may all come to nought ……
September 18th 2012 @ 11:23am
Riccardo said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Suncorp’s actually a bit of a happy hunting ground for the All Blacks Sage.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:36am
Jerry said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html?class=1;ground=221;opposition=6;team=8;template=results;type=team;view=match
September 18th 2012 @ 12:23pm
Jerry said | September 18th 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Lithuania have 20 wins. If the AB’s went undefeated this season, I think it’d be 22 on the trot.
I don’t think they’ll make it though – will probably drop at least 1 (maybe 2) of their next 3 unless they pull finger.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:28am
El Gamba said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:28am | Report comment
I quite like that Lithuania hold that record!
September 18th 2012 @ 7:34am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:34am | Report comment
its funny that lithuania hold that record.
as funny as the Daisuke Ohata of Japan holding the record for most tries scored – 69 which is 5 more than campese.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:17am
El Gamba said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Very true. I like a bit of interest in my sport!
September 18th 2012 @ 11:15am
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
so would I EG, and I agree with Mania, I think it’s a great little quirk of international rugby that these records are no held by countries you might expect to..
September 18th 2012 @ 9:33am
WQ said | September 18th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
mania, I am not sure they are playing that badly on reflection.
You can only play what is in front of you, the good sides adapt to this and win, even if it is ugly. We also need to remember that the sides we have played decided that they could not out score the All Blacks with tries, so applied a less attractive spoiling kick fest.
We also have a few new combinations developing which even for All Black Rugby takes time.
September 18th 2012 @ 9:44am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
wq – i’m talking about all the drop balls and missed passes at speed. whilst the oppn had effectively narrowed down our opportunities, the bad passes and dropped balls is all AB’s fault.
its this game plan of playing at speed. all very well to attempt later on in the season but AB’s need to slow it down and play with accuracy and firstly get their team work going.
i’m against the gameplan as there are so many vulnerabilities to it that are outside of the AB’s control. eg, a fat slow / pedantic ref, front rowers constantly going down to have a rest, oppn effectively and legally slowing our ball down; can all derail this game plan.
we should be learning to play with intelligence first and then slowly speed it up.
this is a guess but to me the AB’s seem to be more concerned about rushing it than actually enjoying themselves.
September 18th 2012 @ 10:04am
WQ said | September 18th 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
mania I certainly agree re the rushing and the consequent poor execution of basic skills. This looks ordinary and potentially has the ability to undermine the overall game plan if they don’t get an opportunity for all of this to click soon.
I don’t necessarily disagree with the game plan and believe that of all the International Teams, the All Blacks are probably best equipped to execute that type of plan. I don’t think we should lose site of the fact that if they can, they will create a game that is very intimidating to play against!
At the present as you have correctly pointed out there are a number of hurdles that the All Blacks themselves need to get over to achieve this desired plan. There are also a number of tactics that are being applied by opposition Teams to slow the game down. Unfortunately so far in the Rugby Championship all of the All Black games have been reffed by Northern Hemisphere Refs that can’t seem to get their head around the Southern Hemisphere image of the game. This will change.
In the mean time they are good enough to recognise these obstacles and adapt to what is in front of them. Consequently they are winning ugly, but they are still winning!
September 18th 2012 @ 10:48am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
wq – guess i’m jus asking for too much. i dont think i’d mind so much if there was enjoyment, expression and some personal identity to the way the AB’s play. a bit of personality and fun.
at the mo all i see is them over focussed on the game plan and not enough smiles. all a bit sterile but this is solely opinion with no basis of fact. just a guess on my part.
admittedly winning should be enough and generates enough smiles as is.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:06am
Riccardo said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
The bottom line gentlemen is that this new mantra of the All Blacks is not working yet.
I am all for the pace they are trying to play at but there is limited accuracy and opportunities are not being taken. Nevertheless, I hope it’s a plan that they persist with. Look at the last Irish Test for an example of how it can work. They just need to ameliorate its execution.
They need to calm down. It appears they are trying to hard. Patience and composure 1st. The referees and opposition, in general, are spoiling or negating opportunities in this regard so they need to adapt.
Build pressure, dominate the collision contest, establish controlled phases, off load in the tackle. They need to get it right up front before going fast and expansive.
While they are winning against mediocre opposition thanks mainly to our defensive systems I’m not sure this erratic and inaccurate rugby will help confidence, particularly for the youngsters. Some attention to refining combinations which aren’t gelling is also required.
The All Blacks have had 7 tests together now and are taking some time to get this right. With the away itinery upon us this is not going to get easier. Sooner or later questions will be asked as to whether Shag and Foster have got their plan and systems right.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:12am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
riccardo – your reading my mind. stop it. totally agree.
September 18th 2012 @ 1:40pm
WQ said | September 18th 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Riccardo/mania I think we all want the same thing and I think every All Black supporter wants to see them perform like they did against the Irish in their last Test.
September 18th 2012 @ 1:56pm
Sprigs said | September 18th 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
In my mind they lost to the Springboks.
It was just a technicality that the Boks didn’t have a competent kicker on the night.
September 18th 2012 @ 2:16pm
Riccardo said | September 18th 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
That’s the spirit Sprigs!
The Boks did have a competent kicker as it turned out; they just chose not to use him.
September 18th 2012 @ 3:17pm
Halleys Comet said | September 18th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Not to mention slightly more NH pedantic reffing, sure doesn’t help game flow
September 18th 2012 @ 3:54pm
WQ said | September 18th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
Agreed Halleys Comet
September 18th 2012 @ 7:08am
Sailosi said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:08am | Report comment
In my mind it was the perfect game because they won. I’ve never seen a perfect and pretty game of sport ever. I’ve never seen a basketball match where a team has not missed a shot, a free throw, committed a turnover or a foul. I’ve never seen a baseball match without a foul ball an out or a pitcher only throw strikes. I’ve never seen a cricket match without a wide, a no ball or a batsman being dismissed. I’ve never seen a football match without a turnover or a missed shot on goal. I’ve never seen an AFL match without a dropped mark or a behind.
I don’t want my sport stale and pretty. I want a contest for the ball, I don’t want a bigger strike zone and bigger bats to see more home runs, I don’t want a wider goal mouth to see more goals, I don’t want to see a bigger hoop to see more baskets.
So wallabies just keep doing everything to win, because that’s pretty enough.
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September 18th 2012 @ 11:18am
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:18am | Report comment
Sailo, if you like imperfect rugby (and I do take your point), you must be absolutely LOVING The Rugby Championship then..
September 18th 2012 @ 12:39pm
Mango Jack said | September 18th 2012 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
You’re right in the sense that perfect is not always enjoyable to watch. The brickie who made my wall laid every one perfectly, but would anyone want to watch him do it all day? When I watch sport, I want to see athletes do stuff that is beyond the capability of us mortals. Chase down an opponent, nail a tackle, throw a well timed 20m pass, step through a small gap, etc. It doesn’t always have to work, but it;s the things that keep us interested. In contrsast, constant pick and drive is a bit like watching my bricklayer.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:42am
MA said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:42am | Report comment
Good article Brett.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:47am
jutsie said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
I agree that its crazy that player with so many years of super rugby and test rugby experience is incapable of playing more than 30 min of rugby but I think playing Robinson in the first 30 min rather than the last is the better option atm as he is easily the best scrimmaging lhp in Australia.
I think by starting him we at least gain parity in the early exchanges and remove the preconception in many refs’ minds that we have the weak Scrum. This allowed us to get a few lucky 50/50 calls later in the game when it was obvious slipper and Alexander were struggling.
September 18th 2012 @ 11:19am
Brett McKay said | September 18th 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Fair call Jutsie, I can accept that logic for Robinson starting. He does seem a long way from his best though..
September 18th 2012 @ 1:44pm
PeterK said | September 18th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
The tactic is that clearly Robinson is a better scrumager and hence how the scrum buckled in the second half, but Slipper and Alexander offer more around the field. Use Robinson as a tactic early and then sub him. Then at the end if the scrum goes pear shaped bring him back, which is what Deans failed to do.
September 18th 2012 @ 7:58am
rabbitfan said | September 18th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Good to see Phipps getting crisp quick ball away, Genia’s habit of slowing the play down shuts the attacking advantage on going forward, a reason for our lack of tries no doubt, Lets hope Phipps dosent get into the box kick habit as well.
September 18th 2012 @ 8:03am
Rugby Tragic said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
A word for the Argies fans. I was at the game and Puma’s supporters were outnumbered by about a squillion to one. BUT were they colourful? … YES! : did they make some noise? …. YES!; did they appear to enjoy themselves .. YES! : are they a welcome new group of fans … a resounding YES! – It was great to witness, there was no malice, no great expectations other than supporting a team that was doing the best they could. And Lobbes, the captain, what a breathe of fresh air in his post match interview – class!
Now back to the rugby!
September 18th 2012 @ 8:06am
mania said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
and the babes also get a big !!YES!!
September 18th 2012 @ 8:56am
Sailosi said | September 18th 2012 @ 8:56am | Report comment
There was a great piece of vision in the game, when there was a stoppage in play the camera panned to a group of Argentinian supporters and they were jumping up and down and singing and waving their flags and there was a young boy in a wallaby jersey behind them, he had this look of absolute bewilderment on face as if to say “what is this all about, they are ceering and supporting and nothing is happening”. It pretty much summed up Aussie rugby fans.
September 18th 2012 @ 10:17am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | September 18th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
I was there too…the Argentinian fans were fantastic. This is what a football (read soccer) culture brings to the fanbase, they sing and chant the entire game, win, lose or draw. Great atmosphere.