What would your Springbok backline be?
By biltongbek, 19 Sep 2012 biltongbek is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
Jean De Villiers of the Springboks is brought down by Jamie Roberts of Wales. AFP PHOTO / Marty Melville
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If you were the Springbok coach, what would your backline look like? Currently there are only a few experienced players who still look like they can do the business. It is really only Bryan Habana and JP Pietersen who look to be at international standard.
Halfback:
Fourie du Preez was once touted the best halfback in world rugby, but I consider him to be a kick and chase expert. His accuracy at box kicking, his work around the ruck and his ability to read the game are his strengths.
Francois Hougaard is a free spirited player who is at his best when he is allowed to do his own thing.
His passing is crisp when he doesn’t play under the shroud of an overbearing structure. He is strong in attack and defence and has quick pace off the mark but is not renowned for his kicking prowess.
Sarel Pretorius went to the Waratahs in hope of establishing himself as a match winner. However, for whatever reason he was not selected often and in the little time he did get to play, he made a big difference to the pace at which the Waratahs backline received ball.
His passing can at times be a little erratic, but an opportunist if there ever was one.
Ruan Pienaar, his pedantic play behind the ruck has been frustrating to say the least, however every time Goosen came in, Pienaar’s service was quicker, more crisp and more enthusiastic
There are a number of youngsters putting up their hands at Currie Cup level. Charl Mcleod has always been consistent in Super Rugby and is a solid player.
Nick Groom has been lighting up the Western Province backline. Michael Bondisio has looked good for the Lions, and then of course there is Piet van Zyl who did very well for the cheetahs.
Flyhalf:
Johan Goosen has shown promise much in the same way Naas Botha did all those years ago. He can do it all but perhaps his one weakness to work on is defence. But then Naas Botha himself was never a good defender.
Patrick Lambie’s strength is his versatility. He can play 10, 12 and 15 but I wonder if even he knows his best position.
Elton Jantjies has gone under the radar for the past few seasons, yet he has the ability to light up the Lions backline and his kicking accuracy stands back for no one.
Morne Steyn, the metronome, however his rhythm is gone and he is now more like a broken watch.
Left wing:
Bryan Habana has admittedly had a few poor seasons and his confidence seemed down.
However, in recent months he has shown a renewed appetite for scoring individual tries and is still a very solid defender with great positional play.
Francois Hougaard came onto the international scene by making a big impression against Wales at wing during the pool rounds of the World Cup but there is still some doubt as to whether he is a halfback or a winger.
Raymond Rhule is another promising player. He won the Junior World Cup with South Africa, and since then has made a good impression in the Currie Cup. However, he is still a little green and has more to learn before he becomes a complete player.
Inside centre:
Frans Steyn has been around for a while now, yet he is still only 25, he is big, strong and has a huge boot. He showed some deft skills during the English tour and created a few tries with his distribution, but has he lost pace?
Jan Serfontein was named Junior World Cup player of the year and really impressed with his hard running, try scoring ability and good vision.
Patrick Lambie, a player with vision and a willingness to attack the gainline, his distribution is never under question. However, like Hougaard, there is still some doubt as to his best position.
Outside centre:
Jean de Villiers has oodles of experience and in defence you will be hard pressed to find someone more able to organise. However, his distribution skills have been found out and he has lost pace. He no longer looks anywhere near as good as he did in 2007.
Juan de Jongh is a bit of a conundrum. There is no question he can hit the line and has the pace to get through, however his distribution is virtually non existent.
Of all the U20 players of the Junior World Cup, Paul Jordaan is the one player who has shown undeniably that he can step up against the big boys. He had a fantastic Super Rugby year and has shown all round skills.
JP Pietersen is most likely the best back line player in South Africa today, a shame his injury has stalled his scintillating form.
John Plumtree regularly used him at outside centre this year and it paid huge dividends, he has vision, is strong and always looks for the offload, you could do worse than him at outside centre.
Right wing:
Paul Jordaan played right wing for most of the Junior World Cup and was very impressive there, however at Super Rugby he was also employed at outside centre. He is a player full of running and a crowd pleaser who loves interplay with his backs. A very promising player.
Louis Ludick, since his move to the Sharks has improved immensely and is unlucky to not have had a call up yet.
JP Pietersen’s strength is defence. Who will forget his try saving tackles at the 2007 World Cup. He is a deceptively quick runner and is in great form. Where will he be most useful to South africa?
Fullback:
Zane Kirchner does not distribute, he doesn’t like to share, but he is a strong runner and has a good boot. However, the way Aaron Smith outfoxed him in defence will forever be a mark against him.
Patrick Lambie can make incisive moves from the back into the backline, however his defence is perhaps a little questionable.
Frans Steyn, is solid as a rock at the back and his big boot and calm exterior make him more suited to the role.
Jaco Taute has been in Meyer’s plans from the beginning, but an injury put an end to his season. He is only 21-years-old and has an air of Andre Joubert about him.
Final selections:
It is important to have some experience in the backline, it would be risky to select a backline comprising inexperienced youngsters. Therefore, my choices are conditional to having some experience mixed with the exuberance of youth.
Goosen must get and opportunity at 10. South Africa will not go forward unless they insert a 10 with running skills, vision and someone who is not afraid to take on the advantage line.
The main question is who to pair Goosen up with. Sarel Pretorius needs experience and Fourie du Preez on form might still not be the answer as he will most likely revert to the kick and chase game.
However he will take a lot of pressure off Goosen by controlling the pressure situations, he certainly has the ability to read when the attack is on as well. So perhaps adding him into the mix for a few matches could be the answer until Goosen has settled.
Outside Goosen it will be important to have an experienced player again, so Frans Steyn gets my vote. A playmaker is required outside of Steyn, so JP Pietersen with his defensive abilities and distribution could set the wings on fire.
Habana at left wing, Hougaard at right wing and Lambie at the back would make for better all round attacking ability and good ball skills. Habana is still there to organise the back three and defensively they should do well.
So my backline for next year is:
9. Fourie du Preez to phase Sarel Pretorius in
10. Johan Goosen
11. Bryan Habana
12. Frans Steyn
13. JP Pietersen
14. Francois Hougaard
15. Patrick Lambie.
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September 19th 2012 @ 5:52am
kingplaymaker said | September 19th 2012 @ 5:52am | Report comment
Regarding De Jongh, it’s worth wondering whether he has ever been very well coached as an attacking player. An example of how a player can improve by being well-coached would be S.Timani who improved significantly when given real coaching.
Hougaard is not a wing and although he may play creditably there he is not a wing at all.
In general, it seems unfortunate that Gio Aplon can’t find a place.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:04am
Red Kev said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:04am | Report comment
I have to say I agree with KPM – I’d have almost your backline biltongbek – but Hougaard to 9 and Aplon to 14 would be my first choice.
McLeod to backup 9 unless/until Pretorious improved his passing. Then de Jongh, Jordaan, Taute and Jantjies on the fringe.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:08am
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:08am | Report comment
Red kev, I was torn between Hougaard and Du preez, if Hougaard starts atnine, then I would consider ludickat wing.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:15am
Red Kev said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:15am | Report comment
What about Le Roux from the Cheetahs – haven’t seen much of him to know how strong his all around game is but he has good finishing instincts from what I did see.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:17am
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:17am | Report comment
Yes, he is a good option, he has been brilliant for Griquas during the Currie Cup so far, once again a very versatile player.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:22am
kingplaymaker said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
RK and biltong I have a thought about the selection of Springbok forwards.
They always have a whole lot of powerful athletes to choose from and most of the candidates are excellent in terms of power and speed.
But assuming that all the candidates have power and speed, do they always choose the most skillful?
Looking at a player like Keiran Reid, although he is doubtless powerful and fast, he is also very skilled and this kind of player allows the All Blacks pack to be such a sophisticated machine.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:27am
mania said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:27am | Report comment
KPM – kieranRead isnt powerful and fast. as opposed to messam, spies or warburton read is slow and only of average strength. what read has is a dangerous combination of heart and brains that makes him world class. read is relentless and runs all day,thats heart and he’s smart enough to anticipate and place himself in the most advantageous area of the field very often, thats brains.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:58am
kingplaymaker said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Not so sure mania, I think he has all the qualities pretty much.
September 19th 2012 @ 8:10am
mania said | September 19th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
and thats why we argue so much KPM. we agree to disagree.
September 19th 2012 @ 2:53pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
KPM, there are a few forwards around with some skills as well.
Marcell Coetzee can do the odd offload, Andries Bekker has good skills, but Schalk Burger and Coenie Oosthuizen is probably the most skilled dorwards we have
September 19th 2012 @ 6:13am
Ben.S said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:13am | Report comment
‘An example of how a player can improve by being well-coached would be S.Timani who improved significantly when given real coaching.’
You mean Andrew Blades?
September 19th 2012 @ 5:55am
DuffyV said | September 19th 2012 @ 5:55am | Report comment
Biltong….
Were you not the one, admiring Greyling producing a Superman forearm to McCaw’s jaw, whilst he was sitting prone on the ground, with his arms pinned, whilst at least 1.5m from the ball?????
September 19th 2012 @ 6:06am
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:06am | Report comment
Duffy you need to get a grip mate, I have never condoned foul play.
I said, when a player is impeding the ball he must be taken out or removed as happens in justabout every ruck that is formed.
If you choose to read anything else into that, well then it is your perogative.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:17am
mania said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:17am | Report comment
DuffyV – i can attest that biltongbek and suzyPoison condemned greyling when he tried to decapitate mccaw. most saffa’s did across multiple forums. in fact the consensus has been that boks are better off without greyling and most saffa’s wanted to apeal the ban insisting it shouldve been longer
September 19th 2012 @ 6:27am
DuffyV said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:27am | Report comment
Excluding Greyling I actually thought it was the cleanest game I have every seen the Boks play against the All Blacks.
This might explain why they actually threatened with a forward pack and Habana only….
September 19th 2012 @ 7:01am
nickoldschool said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:01am | Report comment
Was McCaw impeding the ball: yes
Should he be removed this way: no
Were his arms pinned: no
Was he 1,5m from the ball: no he was right in the ruck (well maybe his head was 150cm from the ball but not his whole body)
On a lighter note
Would McCaw stand a chance v Greyling(even with greyling’s arms pinned): no
Do many non AB supporters enjoyed the hit, especially as McCaw wasnt injured as a result: hmmm, yes(probably)
Did his team mates protect him or retaliate: no
McCaw was wrong to be where he was, greyling was wrong to do what he did. As mania said, mccaw could have been beheaded but fortunately no harm has been done. lets move on. 2 weeks ban is a joke though.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:38am
DuffyV said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
Was McCaw impeding the ball? How did you come to this conclusion????
Should McCaw be assaulted? DUHHHH NO
Should Greyling be charged with Assault under NZ law: Yes. A rugby field does not have diplomatic immunity.
Were his arms pinned? Well he did not defend himself, Do you normally track an incoming assault and not raise your arms in defense???? (Maybe if you teach kindergarten)
Was McCaw 1.5m away from ball: Well you admit this one which is unusual for a hater.
Your lighter side is not only wrong but sick.
If it was the Captain of your successful team, who has played more or less within the spirit of the game and privately been a saint, the cops would already have been called.
The All Blacks will use that shit for a win in South Africa which was actually unlikely beforehand.
I can hear the call right now “This ones for Richie!!!!!”
September 19th 2012 @ 10:25am
Hoy said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Does anyone remember the Simpsons episode when Homer gets his arm stuck up the drink vending machine? When the firies arrive and they are about to cut his arm off, the bloke asks “Homer, are you holding onto the can?”
McCaws arms weren’t pinned, he had no business holding the tackled player so long especially since he was off his feet.
Not condoning the hit at all which was stupid play and he deserved a red, but this is what people keep harping about McCaw cheating for. I think he is the best rugby player in the world, hands down, but he had no business being there, and when he got hit, his “pinned” arms came up pretty quick. I have noticed over the last two or three years, the All Blacks have made an artform of “falling” the wrong side, slowing the ball down etc.
I don’t want to inflame anything here, but it is becoming more obvious and the refs aren’t doing anything about it.
What is odd is that no All Black player picked Greyling immediately after the action. Last time Cooper kneed McCaw, there was almost a lynching. This time, Smith wimped out and threw his arms in the air and did a lot of pointing and gesticulating.
September 19th 2012 @ 12:54pm
Jutsie said | September 19th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
love the simpsons reference! “They’ll grow back right?”
September 19th 2012 @ 1:45pm
bluerose said | September 19th 2012 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
agree Hoy, the NZ public attacked QC for that knee but nothing on Greyling.
September 19th 2012 @ 2:48pm
Hoy said | September 19th 2012 @ 2:48pm | Report comment
I agree, but more than that, the NZ players in the immediate vicinity did nothing but point. Most unusual I would have thought.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:06am
Red Kev said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:06am | Report comment
Duffy, no he wasn’t. You however were the fool that was saying Greyling should have been led off in handcuffs.
Oh, and McCaw’s arms weren’t pinned anywhere.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:32am
DuffyV said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:32am | Report comment
Red Kev we all know where you are coming from and on what evidence are you offering????
September 19th 2012 @ 6:36am
DuffyV said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:36am | Report comment
Inappropriate comment removed. Thanks, Roar Mods.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:14am
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:14am | Report comment
Do you think it is at all possible to get back to discussing the Bok backline rather than harping on an issue that is done and dusted?
September 19th 2012 @ 11:47am
Colin said | September 19th 2012 @ 11:47am | Report comment
unfortunately the trolls have found this site and will go on to ruin it with their sledging like they did all the others. At the moment it is a place of friendly debate. It would great if the moderators just turned the the hysterical trolls off.
In answer to your question, I like your backline but Hougard has proven he can’t cut it at nine (Argentina being his last run he was hopeless with his positional kicking) and Aplon is a better wing. Keep Pienaar at 9 and give him a few runs with Goosen, and move Aplon on to the wing. Hougard on to the bench as an impact player.
September 19th 2012 @ 12:42pm
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September 19th 2012 @ 6:12am
Demers said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:12am | Report comment
I’d go for Aplon at 15 because he’s so swift, so dangerous. Really like Jantjies. Forget Pretorious – he did anything but shine for the Tahs and left in a huff. Really like De Jongh. DV a good captain and a good bloke but doesn’t fit into the attacking role you’re putting together. Loads of talent in SA.
The big question Biltongbek is will Meyer finally be prevailed upon to change his game plan Saturday week? Can he bring himself to drop Morne, who can’t kick too straight these days, and play Goosen?
September 19th 2012 @ 6:21am
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:21am | Report comment
The chances are looking postive that Goosen could start, Meyer has admitted he is very disappointed in Morne’s performance and that some hard choices will be made in the next week.
The good news for me is JP Pietersen is most likely to return and Coenie Oosthuizen might well be called back.
Mvovo disappointed with his positional play and poor areal skills and neither Greyling, Werner Kruger or Pat acilliers has really shone in the absence of Coenie.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:59am
kingplaymaker said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
Isn’t Aplon better than Mvovo.
September 19th 2012 @ 11:23am
stuff happens said | September 19th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
‘Isn’t Aplon better than Mvovo.Yes – much. Mvovo is electric but not that elusive & his defence is poor.
As we know modern rugby is dominated by defence, helped by the rules which are forever bringing the game to a standstill, which allows the teams to line up again only a few metres from each other. Guys like Aplon, Dagg & Shane Williams are/were jewels in this environment. You can almost see defenders panicking every time they get the ball with a few metres space.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:29am
nickoldschool said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:29am | Report comment
The consensus is, Jean de Villiers and Morne Steyn have to go. They are still good players, no question, but when you have guys like Goosen, Pietersen, Jordaan etc in the mix, the 2 dont make the cut.
Regarding Du Preez’s inclusion, i would just question his current form.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:07am
Dexter William said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:07am | Report comment
Ruan Pienaar is the worst half back the Boks have ever produced – all style and no substance.
Put Francois Hougaard in at half back and you have got a good team there.
Biggest problem is the coach who wants to play conservative defence game.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:17am
Ben.S said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:17am | Report comment
Hougaard – apart from his passing and kicking game?
September 19th 2012 @ 7:32am
Dasher said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
BB, you wrote out exactly my team at the bottom of your article. As great as that group would be, it’s a highly unusual (literally) SA back line and I doubt it would ever get selected, especially with Meyer as current coach. And that’s a great shame.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:35am
Rob9 said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:35am | Report comment
Why won’t they pick Fourier from Japan? He’d be huge asset to this backline. If I had green running through my veins I think the boks backline for the future would be:
9. Hougaard
10. Goosen
11. Habana
12. Lambie
13. Fourie
14. Pietersen
15. F. Steyne
I think as long as JDV is around you’d have to keep picking him. Clearly the retirement of the bulk of their leadership group has hurt the boks. JDV adds some serious value in this area.
September 19th 2012 @ 8:07am
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Rob, Fourie Du Preez was on call for the home leg, bu suffered an injury last week.
September 19th 2012 @ 8:32am
Rob9 said | September 19th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Referring to Jacques there Bil.
September 19th 2012 @ 2:55pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
Sorry mate. Jaque Fourie has made himself unavailable.
September 19th 2012 @ 3:26pm
Rob9 said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:26pm | Report comment
Ah, that’s a real shame (for the boks). Only 29 and his form last year suggests he still has a lot to give to his national side.
September 19th 2012 @ 12:47pm
Who Needs Melon said | September 19th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Rob9 that’s pretty darn close to the team I was about to suggest. I just thought I’d scroll through and see if anyone else had first.
The one change I would suggest is Jean de Villiers at 13. As biltong says, he “has oodles of experience and in defence you will be hard pressed to find someone more able to organise”.
So biltongbek I think you have all the right players just about but I think Robs order is better.
I think F Steyn is much better at the back where his prodigious boot can come in handy. And Lambie is a better playmaker.
And I’d keep Pieterson on the wing and have Hougaard as the halfback.
I think that’s a pretty darn good backline.
September 19th 2012 @ 12:50pm
Who Needs Melon said | September 19th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
I’m curious about myself now. Why do I feel tempted to sort out the Boks backline whilst I steer away from discussion like this about the Wallabies backline. Hmm…
September 19th 2012 @ 3:38pm
Rob9 said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Completely agree INM. Like I said, as long as JDV is around he should walk into the midfield of this team. In his early 30’s and he’s still holding his own on the field and doing a fine job for the boks and the Stormers. And his leadership qualities and experience alone make him an automatic selection for a team that has been just about sucked dry of those assets lately. That backline is more one for after JDV retires which can’t be that far away. But you’re right, let’s stop giving them these hot tips!!
September 19th 2012 @ 3:50pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
Rob, Meyer made it quite clear that J d Villiers is only cpatain for this year, so I suspect his place is only a certainty until November, I reckon Meyer is planning to revamp the backline next.
September 19th 2012 @ 4:11pm
Rob9 said | September 19th 2012 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
As long as JdV is making himself available I reckon Meyer would be nuts not to pick him. In 2013 he’ll be 32 so I’d say he still has next year in him. He’ll be an asset to a team that’s gone through a lot of change since NZ last year. A good stabilizing influence while the next crop of leaders are finding their feet. And I’m still of the belief that while the boks are trying to win test matches, his form justifies selection. Beyond next year, I’d go the backline I mentioned above.
September 19th 2012 @ 4:16pm
Rob9 said | September 19th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
PS if JF would make himself available again and hopefully he has a change of heart on that topic. He’s truly been one of the great midfielders of the last decade and could still be an effective weapon in 2015.
September 19th 2012 @ 4:32pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
Yes he could, but he signed a three year deal in Japan, so by the time he gets back he will be 32 (I think) and by then players such as Jordaan, Pietersen etc will be well established in the team.
September 19th 2012 @ 5:25pm
Rob9 said | September 19th 2012 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Boks won’t pick guys playing in the Top League?
September 19th 2012 @ 10:08pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:08pm | Report comment
Not if they make themselves unavailable.
September 19th 2012 @ 9:04am
kingplaymaker said | September 19th 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Biltong way up top I make a point to you about the Springbok forwards.
September 19th 2012 @ 4:34pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
I answered you above KPM, sorry I went to bed and didn’t see your post until this morning. It is a bit challenging with the time zones. I stayed up late on Monday evening till about 2h30 in the morning, so needed a little more sleep last night.
September 19th 2012 @ 9:31am
Elisha Pearce said | September 19th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Like your analysis and options there Biltongbek! It’s hard to know exactly how fast to phase everyone into the side in international rugby.
I’ll pick an ‘ideal’ side given player promise/potential and work out how to get there between now and then:
Pretorius/Hougaard/McCleod (love how combative that guy is).
Goosen
Habana
F.Steyn
Jordaan
Pietersen
Lambie
Thats got 4 try bonus points written all over it!
To get to that point I’d start with Pienaar for experience while the others get into some sort of pecking order. At the moment Pienaar seems happy to have movement outside him and it speeds up his play.
Get de Villiers out of the way asap but put JP Pietersen in 13. Not Jordaan at this point. He could do with another great Super Rugby season and go on tour to NH next year.
That leaves the other wing. Houggard, Ludik or Le Roux are my options. Habana is good at defusing kicks normally and so is Lambie. Make the 3rd option back there a shifty Le Roux. That gives some balance. Also, I think it’s better to ask Hougaard to stick to 9 and work on it without moving him.
So, for now, with a view to transition some more:
Pienaar
Goosen
Habana
F.Steyn
JP
Le Roux
Lambie