What would your Springbok backline be?
By biltongbek, 19 Sep 2012 biltongbek is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
Jean De Villiers of the Springboks is brought down by Jamie Roberts of Wales. AFP PHOTO / Marty Melville
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If you were the Springbok coach, what would your backline look like? Currently there are only a few experienced players who still look like they can do the business. It is really only Bryan Habana and JP Pietersen who look to be at international standard.
Halfback:
Fourie du Preez was once touted the best halfback in world rugby, but I consider him to be a kick and chase expert. His accuracy at box kicking, his work around the ruck and his ability to read the game are his strengths.
Francois Hougaard is a free spirited player who is at his best when he is allowed to do his own thing.
His passing is crisp when he doesn’t play under the shroud of an overbearing structure. He is strong in attack and defence and has quick pace off the mark but is not renowned for his kicking prowess.
Sarel Pretorius went to the Waratahs in hope of establishing himself as a match winner. However, for whatever reason he was not selected often and in the little time he did get to play, he made a big difference to the pace at which the Waratahs backline received ball.
His passing can at times be a little erratic, but an opportunist if there ever was one.
Ruan Pienaar, his pedantic play behind the ruck has been frustrating to say the least, however every time Goosen came in, Pienaar’s service was quicker, more crisp and more enthusiastic
There are a number of youngsters putting up their hands at Currie Cup level. Charl Mcleod has always been consistent in Super Rugby and is a solid player.
Nick Groom has been lighting up the Western Province backline. Michael Bondisio has looked good for the Lions, and then of course there is Piet van Zyl who did very well for the cheetahs.
Flyhalf:
Johan Goosen has shown promise much in the same way Naas Botha did all those years ago. He can do it all but perhaps his one weakness to work on is defence. But then Naas Botha himself was never a good defender.
Patrick Lambie’s strength is his versatility. He can play 10, 12 and 15 but I wonder if even he knows his best position.
Elton Jantjies has gone under the radar for the past few seasons, yet he has the ability to light up the Lions backline and his kicking accuracy stands back for no one.
Morne Steyn, the metronome, however his rhythm is gone and he is now more like a broken watch.
Left wing:
Bryan Habana has admittedly had a few poor seasons and his confidence seemed down.
However, in recent months he has shown a renewed appetite for scoring individual tries and is still a very solid defender with great positional play.
Francois Hougaard came onto the international scene by making a big impression against Wales at wing during the pool rounds of the World Cup but there is still some doubt as to whether he is a halfback or a winger.
Raymond Rhule is another promising player. He won the Junior World Cup with South Africa, and since then has made a good impression in the Currie Cup. However, he is still a little green and has more to learn before he becomes a complete player.
Inside centre:
Frans Steyn has been around for a while now, yet he is still only 25, he is big, strong and has a huge boot. He showed some deft skills during the English tour and created a few tries with his distribution, but has he lost pace?
Jan Serfontein was named Junior World Cup player of the year and really impressed with his hard running, try scoring ability and good vision.
Patrick Lambie, a player with vision and a willingness to attack the gainline, his distribution is never under question. However, like Hougaard, there is still some doubt as to his best position.
Outside centre:
Jean de Villiers has oodles of experience and in defence you will be hard pressed to find someone more able to organise. However, his distribution skills have been found out and he has lost pace. He no longer looks anywhere near as good as he did in 2007.
Juan de Jongh is a bit of a conundrum. There is no question he can hit the line and has the pace to get through, however his distribution is virtually non existent.
Of all the U20 players of the Junior World Cup, Paul Jordaan is the one player who has shown undeniably that he can step up against the big boys. He had a fantastic Super Rugby year and has shown all round skills.
JP Pietersen is most likely the best back line player in South Africa today, a shame his injury has stalled his scintillating form.
John Plumtree regularly used him at outside centre this year and it paid huge dividends, he has vision, is strong and always looks for the offload, you could do worse than him at outside centre.
Right wing:
Paul Jordaan played right wing for most of the Junior World Cup and was very impressive there, however at Super Rugby he was also employed at outside centre. He is a player full of running and a crowd pleaser who loves interplay with his backs. A very promising player.
Louis Ludick, since his move to the Sharks has improved immensely and is unlucky to not have had a call up yet.
JP Pietersen’s strength is defence. Who will forget his try saving tackles at the 2007 World Cup. He is a deceptively quick runner and is in great form. Where will he be most useful to South africa?
Fullback:
Zane Kirchner does not distribute, he doesn’t like to share, but he is a strong runner and has a good boot. However, the way Aaron Smith outfoxed him in defence will forever be a mark against him.
Patrick Lambie can make incisive moves from the back into the backline, however his defence is perhaps a little questionable.
Frans Steyn, is solid as a rock at the back and his big boot and calm exterior make him more suited to the role.
Jaco Taute has been in Meyer’s plans from the beginning, but an injury put an end to his season. He is only 21-years-old and has an air of Andre Joubert about him.
Final selections:
It is important to have some experience in the backline, it would be risky to select a backline comprising inexperienced youngsters. Therefore, my choices are conditional to having some experience mixed with the exuberance of youth.
Goosen must get and opportunity at 10. South Africa will not go forward unless they insert a 10 with running skills, vision and someone who is not afraid to take on the advantage line.
The main question is who to pair Goosen up with. Sarel Pretorius needs experience and Fourie du Preez on form might still not be the answer as he will most likely revert to the kick and chase game.
However he will take a lot of pressure off Goosen by controlling the pressure situations, he certainly has the ability to read when the attack is on as well. So perhaps adding him into the mix for a few matches could be the answer until Goosen has settled.
Outside Goosen it will be important to have an experienced player again, so Frans Steyn gets my vote. A playmaker is required outside of Steyn, so JP Pietersen with his defensive abilities and distribution could set the wings on fire.
Habana at left wing, Hougaard at right wing and Lambie at the back would make for better all round attacking ability and good ball skills. Habana is still there to organise the back three and defensively they should do well.
So my backline for next year is:
9. Fourie du Preez to phase Sarel Pretorius in
10. Johan Goosen
11. Bryan Habana
12. Frans Steyn
13. JP Pietersen
14. Francois Hougaard
15. Patrick Lambie.
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September 19th 2012 @ 10:09am
katzilla said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
If they persist with Morne then I would definitely throw the right wing to Ludick. He was excellent at chasing and attacking kicks in super rugby. Very much in the mould of Corey Jane.
Hougard
Steyn
Steyn
Pietersen
Habana
Ludick
Lambie
If no Morne then definitely your backline.
Where did Jantjes ever get to? He was a promising fullback until he broke his arm(?)
Probably a good time to put one of either Jordaan or Serfontein on the bench too.
Get them in the environment.
September 19th 2012 @ 10:16am
Uncle Argyle said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
9. Pienaar
10. Goosen
11. Habana
12. Steyn
13. De Villiers
14. Ludick
15. Lambie
September 19th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Michael Angus said | September 19th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
That backline looks pretty good. Francois Hougaard is a real dangerous player and seems to find gaps at will. I think he would be the better option at no. 9.
September 19th 2012 @ 12:13pm
tubby said | September 19th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
if you are picking a wing for their hcasing ability on the box kick, I’d go for basson when he’s fit again. He is almost as fast as mvovo, but can actually make his own opportunities and is easily the best high kick chaser , though no one comes close to habana for sheer work he puts in chasing everything
mcleod or pretorius at 9, hougaard feels like an office temp in that position.
if you have goosen at 10 i’d hate to have steyne being the option off the bench. 20 to go, closing a game or chasing it, he really isn’t going to change the game for you in this form.
15 is the other big problem. kirschner offers little. Lambie or aplon, both kick as well but can beat players returning the ball and make something. With all the positional kicking this year to have an unimaginative full back is basically giving up before the game is started
September 19th 2012 @ 2:57pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 2:57pm | Report comment
Tubby, Basson’s defence is suspect.
September 19th 2012 @ 1:53pm
Suzy Poison said | September 19th 2012 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
Although the All Blacks look very likely to have already won the Rugby Championship. we are now entering a very interesting phase, in the next three weeks. As both the AB’s and Wallabies have a long way to travel. Even backing it up from Argentina to South Africa, is not like a quick trip across the Tasman. The Wallabies, I feel with their long list of injuries will struggle in the away games. Any team would struggle to replace Pocock, Horwill, Genia, O’Conner and now Cooper. I feel for Deans, as he really has a long injury list. Besides form wise, they are not inspiring any confidence. That was a very narrow scrape against the Pumas. The reality is, so far, in the one away game against the All Blacks, they failed to score a single point. Both Argentina and the Boks put up a better fight in New Zealand. The Pumas are clearly much better than anyone thought, and seem to be improving every game. I remember Jake White saying the Boks should have scored a bonus point against Pumas in Cape Town. But if you consider how well Argentina played against the AB’s and Wallabies at home. A three try to nil victory is a good result. Even a drawn away game result is not too bad. I am actually picking the Pumas to get their first Southern Hemisphere scalp, in the next three weeks. If they don’t manage to beat the All Blacks, then I am tipping them to beat the Wallabies, the week after.
As for the Boks, the game against the All Blacks would have given them a lot of confidence. Plus seeing how the other teams also found playing the Pumas tough going. I am tipping the Boks to win both the two remaining games, on the Highveld. The selection of Goosen, and the return of J.P Pietersen will change the Bok backline. Also the Bok kicking game is tailored to the long distance they get on the Highveld.
September 19th 2012 @ 1:55pm
Suzy Poison said | September 19th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Also I think Meyer will pick as his backline:
15. Zane Kirchner
14. J.P Pietersen
13. Jean De Villiers (Captain)
12. Frans Steyn
11. Bryan Habana
10. Johan Goosen
9. Frans Hougaard
September 19th 2012 @ 1:56pm
Suzy Poison said | September 19th 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
Whereas I would pick.
15. Pattrick Lambie
14. Bjon Basson
13. J.P Pietersen
12. Frans Steyn
11. Bryan Habana
10. Johan Goosen
9. Frans Hougaard
September 19th 2012 @ 8:02pm
Pogo said | September 19th 2012 @ 8:02pm | Report comment
I reckon that’s pretty good, Steyn (F) and Habana were the only backs who looked remotely threatening in the first half in Dunedin.
September 19th 2012 @ 2:12pm
Dassie said | September 19th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Peter deVilliers at half, the rest don’t matter because the fly-half will just kick
September 19th 2012 @ 3:12pm
Jiggles said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
Goosen hitting the line and putting F.Steyn, JP, JdV, Habanna etc. into gaps is going to be pretty lethal. I have been saying since the start of the year that the Boks aren’t going to be a threat because they don’t play at the line. When they change this, and change how their forwards work, they will start to spank Australia.
September 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm
Hoy said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
I have been saying since forever, until South Africa get a good running 5/8, they won’t live up to potential. If they have a good running 5/8 who wants to unleash the runners in the backline, and can sort their game plan out, they will not only spank Australia, but will be tit for tat with the All Blacks I think.
September 19th 2012 @ 5:27pm
Jiggles said | September 19th 2012 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
They also need to sort out their forward play. 1 out runners in that first channel might cut it at Super level but it is going to get eaten alive at test level. I am surprised they haven’t lost more to the ABs with that sort of play. They also have a habit of of sitting over the ball in the ruck (like Australia) rather than driving through past the ball.
September 19th 2012 @ 3:34pm
Suzy Poison said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
Except for now, regardless of a change of coach, and a change of players too, the Boks are still Australia’s bunnies. Wallabies have won the last six games? (or more?) There will be no spanking for a while, although I do think the Boks will squeak a win at Loftus. If not for anything else, but the Wallabies crippling injury list. Seriously Wallabies have lost their five best players. Genia, Cooper, O’Conner, Pocock and Horwill.
Imagine if the AB’s lost McCaw, Read, Carter, Dagg and Aaron Smith (I believe he is the World’s best halfback) Or if the Boks lost Goosen, Habana, Steyn, Bismark, and Alberts?
I hear rumours, Deans is going to be replaced, but I don’t know how Ewen can do any better with that injury list?
September 19th 2012 @ 5:33pm
Jiggles said | September 19th 2012 @ 5:33pm | Report comment
Yeah I don’t think the Wallabies will win at Loftus. Those players out, but also they have descended to a new level of dross which I never thought possible for the national team. Both the game plan and execution is way off.
Ewen could do better. He has shown time and time again that he can adapt the game plan according to his own players strengths and the opposition weaknesses. in 90% of games controlled by Link, the team is singing off the same hymn sheet and it works. Its worked against opposition who are much stronger on paper time and again. The Players also want to play for him which is a positive. He doesn’t really tolerate lazy players so a few incumbents could be moved on if/when he takes over. Hopefully its before the new season.
September 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm
Behold said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
I don’t want to hijack your thread, but I think Meyer is doing a better job than Deans. He has a set structure he wants to play and picking his best team to bring about that play. While his tactics might be wrong, he is at least making the right selections for his tactics. ( Deans fails at that). Playing a 10 man game doesn’t work against the ABs and the Wallabies who aren’t reliant on the set piece to produce tries or penalties. Meyer needs to address this and play a more expansive game. De Villers is central to their team particularly at adjusting their defence. Morne doesn’t work particularly with Habana not being as a destructive as he use to be. If Morne continues at 10, Lambie needs to play 12 and Francois 15. If Goosen plays 10, Francois plays 12 and Lambie 15. At 9 they need a steady hand who is going to provide quick clean service rather than a running or kicking game, I’d pick Ruan Pienaar. Hougaard finds a spot on my blind wing, yep I want him to always be the blindside winger. In tight spaces he is dynamic and can take the ball from the back of the ruck quickly and keep the boks moving on the front foot. J.P Pietersen is all class and a real flyer, he would be my open side winger.
9. Pienaar
10. Goosen
11. Hougaard
12. F. Steyn
13. De Villiers
14. Pietersen
15. Lambie
September 19th 2012 @ 3:38pm
Suzy Poison said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
In Deans defence, has had a bad year with injuries. Also it’s not like Deans has any mongrel forwards to select, like the Boks or even the Pumas. He has to develop them. He is trying with Kane Douglass and crew. Hooper looks like a find?
September 19th 2012 @ 7:24pm
Behold said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:24pm | Report comment
To be fair to Deans if he wasn’t obsessed with switching players positions in the team we would have a lot more depth than we currently do. Is there another international team in the world that has a player who has played 10, 12, 15 in his last four games and a player who has played 14, 15, 13? two positions I understand but three is getting out of hand. Particularly when they aren’t like for like replacements of the player they are replacing. Australian Rugby would be a lot better placed if Deans had specifics for each position, rather than changing the entire game plan depending on who is available in what position. If you can’t have continuity of players you have to have continuity of game plan. I don’t think Deans picks players with Mongrels he is too obsessed with players x-factor. If he wanted mongrel his front row would always have Holmes and Moore in it. He hasn’t really developed Douglas, who made his first Wallabies squad this year. Douglas on form should’ve been playing ahead of Timani in the Welsh series and in the early games of the RC. Hooper looks good for depth, Pocock remains ahead of him because of his ability to turn the ball over at the international level something Hooper hasn’t really been doing. The extra depth should pay dividends in the long run as long as none of Hooper/Pocock/Gill become disillusioned by Deans who handled the whole Smith/Pocock thing terribly and we lost a man we desperately needed at last WC. But this an article about the Boks so maybe I should leave the Deans bashing for another time.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:31pm
Mike said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:31pm | Report comment
“Is there another international team in the world that has a player who has played 10, 12, 15 in his last four games and a player who has played 14, 15, 13?”
Which invites the obvious response: Is there another international team in the world that has lost as many of its top players to injury recently? If we lose one more fly-half, then Benn Robinson might have to start polishing his ball-distributing skills and tactical kicking.
I agree with your last point, this thread is about the boks not the wallas, but the above does raise a point about what is “reasonable depth” for any international side.
September 19th 2012 @ 3:54pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
Behold, I agree with your thinking about Lambie and Frans Steyn, as far as doing a better job.
I think in Meyer’s mind his first priority was sorting the forwards, by last count he used something like 20 different forwards up to the OZ game, he now has a good idea of who can cut it and who can’t.
Now it is the backline’s turn.
September 19th 2012 @ 6:46pm
Jacko said | September 19th 2012 @ 6:46pm | Report comment
Biltongbek,
Really like the look of your final backline. Couple comments, you question the Goose’s defense? Not sure thatswarranted, in fact Meyer says he wants him less involved in the defense as he can easily injure himself with the big hits ala Honnibal. Then comparing to Naas, well Naas was MORE of a kicking flyhalf than even Morne is. Naas played in a time when rugby was unprofessional and the rules favored the kicking game. Naas would not make any Super Rugby side (bar the Kings) if he had to play right now. View him as an exceptional player for that era. If you want to compare the Goose do so with Honnibal who he is in the same mold of. Problem here is that he prospered under Mallet who allowed the team to run the ball as well. Really hope Meyer does not rob the country of seeing the talent of what could be our greatest ever fly half.
Back to the backline, love it!!! Again very excited about the talents coming through, wonder that in a year or 2 what we are gonna do on centre with Steyn and Serfontein vying for inside and Jordaan and JP maybe even Small-Smith for outside. I think we can have 2 centres/wings on the bench and no flyhalf cover as there isnt in my opinion another option to Goosen who is not in the starting line up already (Lambie and F Steyn) barring Pollard coming good on the talent he has shown.
Scrummie – Unfortunately I dont see Hougie as the future there, it is a position that will always be dictated to by strategy and he isn’t versatile enough to make the change should the game require it. Sarel missed the most tackles in last years Super Rugby which is concerning and reason enough to leave him out for now. Ruan is my man to do the business right now and want to see him play a full game with the Goose before making a final call. I believe the future however lies with P van Zyl…. unbelievable player.
I agree with you’re backlline but here is my taster of a possible 2015 backline:
9. van Zyl
10. The Goose
11. Rhule (if Habana cant maintain)
12. Serfontein
13. Jordaan
14. JP
15. Steyn/Lambie
20. Sarel (impact player if he can sharpen defense)
21. Steyn/Lambie
22. Small-Smith
JP and Jordaan can switch easily depending on attack or defense and so to with Lambie and Steyn depending on the game plan or possible impact needed. I do like Frans at 12 for now but what I’ve seen from Serfontein is unreal Danie Gerber like talent.
Again, as excited as I am about this team I’m becoming more worried every game about Meyer and possible ego getting in his way ‘I can coach a player into form’ attitude, not forgetting that I was of his biggest pundits for years to get the job. Lets see what he does and I still have hope for him if he surrounds himself with the right coaching staff. At the moment the current staff and management are too inexperienced and from what I hear not big enough to stand up to anything Meyer decides on.
Lets hope though!!!
September 19th 2012 @ 10:12pm
biltongbek said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:12pm | Report comment
Very nice 2015 backline there mate, just one thing, we all percieved Naas Botha as a kicking flyhalf, the fact it he was a devesating accurate kicker, and his kicks out of hand were unerringly accurate, but go check his stats we averaged more than 3 tries per test match with him. He knew how to win games and when to distribute.
September 19th 2012 @ 10:35pm
Jacko said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:35pm | Report comment
Not sure where you got those stats, Naas only played in 5 official tests and which we scored a total of 6 tries at an average of 1.2 tries per test and lost every single match. I know you are going to say yes but what about those so called world teams, NZ cavaliers and South America also counted but you know they dont. Its like we played a Barbarian side every year with a lot of the best players refusing to come and play. Look at a typical Barbarian game….its an expedition game…thats all they were. They also had make shift backlines and coaching etc etc. You can see by the results against teams that actually played together what happened… we lost every game! Naas was a great Currie Cup player… possibly the greatest fly half if you look at the points he scored. It must be put into perspective that is all he really was as we unfortunately could not put him up against the best.
September 19th 2012 @ 10:57pm
Jacko said | September 19th 2012 @ 10:57pm | Report comment
Apologies I mean post isolation he’s stats are played 5 lost 5 with and average of 1.2 tries per test. Pre-isolation he’s try scoring average is under 2 as well. No doubt a legend in SA rugby but was never a complete fly half. He played perfect Bulls rugby for the time.
Lets hope we see the Goose work a back line with Steyn, JP, Habana, Hougard and later Serfontein, Jordaan and Small-Smith. He creates magic for the players around him as they suddenly have space and time!
September 20th 2012 @ 4:38am
biltongbek said | September 20th 2012 @ 4:38am | Report comment
Jacko, Naas Botha played in 28 official/unoffical tests for SA
We scored 73 tries in those 28 matches. Ok, so my memory has failed me slightly, but the point is we averaged a good try count with him as fly half.
September 19th 2012 @ 7:13pm
Mike said | September 19th 2012 @ 7:13pm | Report comment
“Juan de Jongh is a bit of a conundrum. There is no question he can hit the line and has the pace to get through, however his distribution is virtually non existent.”
Ha ha, welcome to our world.
On the positive side, one of the All Blacks had to be taught how to pass when he moved from wing to centre, I can’t remember if it was Umaga or Nonu. But whichever, he learned very quickly.