NZ picks Papalii, intensifies tug-of-war
Canberra back-rower Josh Papalii requested more time to think about his representative future, as the tug-of-war between Queensland and New Zealand for his services intensified on Wednesday.
The 20-year-old was selected in the Kiwis train-on squad ahead of the one-off end-of-season Test match in Townsville against Australia on October 13, strengthening Papalii’s ties to the country of his birth.
But with Maroons coach Mal Meninga remaining defiant about his desire to have Papalii on board for future State of Origin campaigns, the youngster remains genuinely torn over the decision.
Papalii will speak with his parents as well as other people close to him in the coming days before reaching a decision.
When the Auckland-born enforcer was pressed to choose his allegiance 12 months ago, he sided with New Zealand.
It is understood his father, Patrick, is steadfast in his desire that his son represents the Kiwis – but mother Luama is less convinced, and sees Queensland as a viable option as well.
New Zealand Rugby League football manager Tony Kemp expressed full confidence that Papalii, who is picking up a reputation as a defensive menace in the mould of Kiwis great Ruben Wiki, will opt for the black jersey.
“He’s a Kiwi,” he said.
“He’s signed a letter of intent to play for New Zealand. He’s been a Junior Kiwi. All of our indications are that he’s 100 per cent committed to New Zealand.”
Kemp was dismissive of Meninga’s attempts to recruit players like Papalii and Canterbury prop Sam Kasiano, a fellow Junior Kiwi who is also yet to decide his representative allegiance, to the Queensland cause.
“Mal Meninga wants every New Zealander to play for Queensland,” Kemp said.
In the case of Kasiano, the Bulldogs’ continued involvement in the NRL play-offs means he isn’t yet available to be named in a train-on squad.
But Kemp said Kasiano’s situation was “the same thing” as Papalii’s, adding that his mother, Kalala, had indicated her preference that her son represent New Zealand.
Kemp added that the rules for Origin eligibility were under review and Kasiano would not qualify for Queensland if the proposals were adopted.
He said those proposals were based on the time a player had spent in Australia.
Papalii was one of three players added to the Kiwis train-on squad on Wednesday, along with North Queensland Cowboys Jason Taumalolo, another who only recently committed to the Kiwis after being chased by Queensland, and Antonio Winterstein.
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September 20th 2012 @ 5:28am
steve b said | September 20th 2012 @ 5:28am | Report comment
Kiwi’s are just that ,,none of them should be playing for SOO,or Aus it’s a joke and it’s about time the new commish stepped in and stopped the rot …
September 20th 2012 @ 5:50am
peeeko said | September 20th 2012 @ 5:50am | Report comment
how about boen and bred aussies pplaying for NZ?
September 20th 2012 @ 12:46pm
Jz said | September 20th 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
The reason that they choose to play for Nz is because a Kiwi has already taken their spot in the Australian and origin teams,
September 20th 2012 @ 8:41am
Hoy said | September 20th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Is this honestly going to happen when a player has one good game? Noone was really talking about him until he stuck it up Gallen. I thought for all the talk after that game, he definitely didn’t follow it up well last week.
September 20th 2012 @ 9:14am
oikee said | September 20th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
I dont know what NZ think they are doing, we all know that Kasiano and Papalii are both Queenslanders. They lived here, most only have to stop at the airport to be claimed as Queenslanders. Isn’t New Zealand in Queensland anyhow, or opart of Queensland. Last time i went to Surfers, it was packed full of Kiwi Queenslanders.
I think it is time Queensland claimed NZ as her own. Before the chinese and Indians take it over.
September 20th 2012 @ 7:02pm
Col Quinn said | September 20th 2012 @ 7:02pm | Report comment
Oikee,
Hang on my maroon mate, New South Wales owned Queensland before there was a Commonwealth. Therefore, NSW can claim all Queenslanders as Blues, especially the ones who were born in NSW proper and played most of their junior RL here. Also in the 1880 most of Sydney moved to Aukland and the North Island want to become a part of NSW. Therefore, all North Island NZers are Blues. Now before you criticise my logic, you should know I was born and bred in Victoria. Origin should be governed by the simple rule. You must be an Australian citizen and if not born in Aus have been a citizen for 10 years
Col
September 20th 2012 @ 7:44pm
Emric said | September 20th 2012 @ 7:44pm | Report comment
NZ was part of NSW as well.
September 20th 2012 @ 9:15am
planko said | September 20th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
There is one way to solve this problem. Stop paying the players. I am serious at the moment the clubs pay SOO players an absolute fortune to spend 12.5% of the NRL season on the side line not mention the possiblilty of getting injured in a game of such intensity. Lets see how many players pick a QLD or a NSW jersey over a NZ jumper if the compensation goes to clubs that provide the players to SOO.
I have no problem with them getting a little top up with 10 to 20k a game but this talk of 50k a game is clearly messing with people’s heads. I really believe that clubs will pay more for a kiwi international knowing they available during SOO. I really believe this has made players like Benji and Foran in the past and now worth more than they would eitherwise get. Operations Managers of clubs think about these things.
September 20th 2012 @ 9:33am
Mick said | September 20th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Why does sport seem to place this intense scrutiny on these young players when they are about to make such important decisions? I can’t imagine having my parents opinions mentioned by upper management when I was making any professional career decisions. Wouldn’t this be the time to give these young men some breathing room and give them the opportunity to seek some discrete counsel.
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September 20th 2012 @ 9:49am
eagleJack said | September 20th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Read elsewhere that the ARLC is looking to implement a policy that you must have lived in Australia for over 50% of your life to be eligible. While not perfect it is a step in the right direction and will mean Kasiano (21 years of age moved to Oz at 16) will rightfully play for the Kiwis. Unless he wants to hold out til after his 32nd bday!
September 20th 2012 @ 9:59am
peeeko said | September 20th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
How about kiwi reps that have never lived in NZ? Guys like Brent Webb played for NZ after living in Auckland for 3 years
Surely if a kid moves to Australia because their parents moved here for a better job or life, then Australia is entitled to reap the rewards of this on the sporting paddock?
September 20th 2012 @ 10:15am
eagleJack said | September 20th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Peeeko under this new policy Australia will benefit . If Kasiano had moved to Oz at 10 he would now be eligible for Australia.
I personally think it should be more stringent but atleast it is a step in the right direction
September 20th 2012 @ 12:45pm
oikee said | September 20th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
You will never get that past the first court injuncture. Fair dinkum you guys, just moving to the country and it is 3 years, you cant have rugby league making up immigration rulings, gee whiz.
September 20th 2012 @ 12:51pm
Jz said | September 20th 2012 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Brent web should have played for Qld, but their was a Kiwi name Karmichael hunt already in that spot. and The reason that they choose to play for Nz is because a Kiwi has already taken their spot in the Australian and origin teams,
September 21st 2012 @ 5:16am
peeeko said | September 21st 2012 @ 5:16am | Report comment
there was also billy slater, rhys wessor, greg inglis and matt bowen ahead of him as well
September 21st 2012 @ 8:54am
Jz said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
not at that stage,
September 20th 2012 @ 1:46pm
Jay said | September 20th 2012 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
peeko, this is only about NSW / Qld eligiblity. It may be possible for Papali // Kasino to play for Australai yet be ineligible for State of Origin.
Fair enough I say
September 20th 2012 @ 6:15pm
Jz said | September 20th 2012 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
no you can play origin and rep another country other than Australia, thats the issue, Kiwis are seeing the Dollar signs of origin
September 20th 2012 @ 11:13am
Lovey said | September 20th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Maybe these guys would like to play for both? Why not? A true state of origin would not exclude players of foreign citizenship, it is supposed to be where their rugby league careers originated.
September 20th 2012 @ 12:38pm
oikee said | September 20th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
I think it would be just alot easier if we made it a tri series, and had a exiles team made up of all the rest from anywhere. Think about that, you would get kiwis, the poms, Victorians and even Perth involved if a player came through, but our mob are so obsessed with other things like Refs and rules, the game is again left to rot on the vine.
The question that needs to be answered, how long is our game going to sit around like a rotten Mango in the mid day son before someone wakes up and starts to introduce modern procedures and developments and promotion.
Best idea i have read all week today in the Rugby League weekly. Merge the Toyota cup teams to the universities like American football. Now we have to do this quickly, real fast, because once the AFL get in, its all over rover.
Lets see how long this takes to deliver, the NRL teams can aligne themselves with these uni’s and sink cash in, also the teams will get the uni fan base, like American football, this is really a no brainer, needs to be looked at now, not toomoorow.
September 20th 2012 @ 12:43pm
oikee said | September 20th 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
OH, and televise the games from the uni’s, like the yanks do. We really have to follow the yanks, the coach calls, the refs looking at the replays, the College system, the memberships, our game is so far behind, all we need is a yank with half a NFL business sense to catch up real fast. It is not rocket science, all codes look to overseas for ideas.
Bring the people who know these ideas to our game, a CEO.,,,, Ex NFL.
September 20th 2012 @ 1:07pm
Jz said | September 20th 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
It is a no brainer but it wont happen because the guys that run the game Have no brain hahah
September 20th 2012 @ 2:02pm
Lovey said | September 20th 2012 @ 2:02pm | Report comment
Yes good idea Oikee. But I think if they want the game to develop in other countries, you can’t have Australia and NZ snatching all the players. Let Jarryd Hayne play for Fiji if he wants to for instance, as well as NSW. That would help the game develop in Fiji. same for all the Tongans and Samoans. I am pretty sure they would be proud to represent these countries – country of origin.
September 21st 2012 @ 5:18am
peeeko said | September 21st 2012 @ 5:18am | Report comment
haynes country of origin is australia
September 21st 2012 @ 10:07am
Lovey said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
I know, it’s a mess isn’t it? Yet he is still considered eligible for Fiji. And a lot of the Tongan and Samoan eligible players were born in NZ. So the international rules which allow grandpartenity even, are a problem, without the distortion of State of Origin. I don’t know the answers, but personally I would like to see these Islanders playing for the small countries and not Australia or NZ, but it comes down to their choice. It would develop the game. And if they are choosing Australia or NZ because of the desire to play at the highest level, then let them play State of Origin. In all other ways their careers did start in Qld or NSW anyway, and they would be playing alongside mates from junior rep teams.
September 20th 2012 @ 12:55pm
1Love said | September 20th 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
I think the kiwis should just let these unfaithfull players go. If they pleged thier allegiance to nz before then have secound thoughts because they hear rumours that they might get picked for a SOO side, then the kiwis should just forget about them, thats just wrong! U want players thatd would die and do anythingto wear that jersey. Some players need to remember that $$$ aint evrything, and never ever forget your roots!
September 20th 2012 @ 12:59pm
Jz said | September 20th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
It is really just so stupid. If a Kiwi kid is picked up by an Nrl team and given a Scholarship to go to a school in Australia just for his talents in play league, it should be he was spotted playing league in New Zealand so their for is a kiwi, Its simple, and if Mal or Laury daily want to be able to pick kiwis then Allow all kiwis to be eligible. its unfair to a Aussie kid who has his whole life dreamed one day to play just to be told we found some import strait of the boat just that bit better then you.
September 20th 2012 @ 1:04pm
Jz said | September 20th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
and when i hear these Kiwis say its a better business decision that makes my blood boil. I remember Willy Massion say in an interview after he opted to play for Nsw and Aus because he wasn’t a kiwi was fair enough, even though he was born and lived their untill he was 14, but then in an interview said it has all ways been a dream to play for the All blacks WTF !