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“I urge the Wallabies to be brave and not boring”. Of all the countless words that have been written and spoken during Wallaby coach Robbie Deans’ watch, those 10 words from re-injured fly-half Quade Cooper yesterday nailed the Wallabies’ problem.
And worth repeating: brave and not boring.
The Wallabies have the Boks to play at Loftus on Saturday night and the Pumas in Rosario a week later to end their Rugby Championship campaign at two formidable venues.
It would be fair to say Wallaby fans would totally support their team if they went down playing rugby the way it should be played with ball-in-hand trying to score tries.
But there’s a far better chance of winning if the Wallabies became more adventurous every international. Or to use Cooper’s word – brave.
During Deans’ 64-game career with the Wallabies, there have been only four wins that have stood out among his 38 successes:
* The 41-39 win over the Boks at Bloemfontein in September 2010, scoring 5 tries to 3, with Kurtley Beale landing a huge penalty on the bell from the junction of the halfway mark and touch to end a 47-year drought on the high veldt.
* The 26-24 defeat in October 2010 of the All Blacks in Hong Kong, scoring 4 tries to 3, the final try by James O’Connor in the corner. And he converted close to time.
* The 59-16 defeat of the then Six-Nations champions France at Stade de France in November 2010, scoring 7 tries to 1. Down 16-13 at the break, the Wallabies crossed for six sensational second half tries to pile on 46 unanswered points in 30 minutes.
* And the 25-20 victory over the All Blacks at Suncorp in August 2011 to recapture the Tri-Nations, scoring 3 tries to 2, ending a 10-year drought.
The features of those memorable wins were the Wallabies came from behind in all four, and they scored more tries than the opposition.
So there’s no question the Wallabies can turn it on when they set their mind to it, despite a long list of injuries.
But why did the Wallabies need a wake-up call to get cracking?
That’s the mindset Wallaby fans can’t cope with, and nor can I.
Let’s expand Cooper’s words to say be brave from the kick-off. Hit the Boks and Pumas up-front with everything bar the kitchen sink, then cut the backs loose with ball-in-hand and run their bigger opposition packs off their feet.
As Campo has always preached, and he’s quite right, you can’t score tries without the ball.
Alan Jones proved it with his 1984 Grand Slammers; Bobby Dwyer proved it with his 199! World Cup win; Rod Macqueen proved it twice with the 1999 World Cup; and the 2001 series success against the British and Irish Lions.
Your turn now, Robbie Deans.
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September 21st 2012 @ 5:25am
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 5:25am | Report comment
Aus didn’t come from behind in Brisbane 2011. They got out to a large lead at half-time, got pegged back to 20-20 then scored a go ahead try.
September 21st 2012 @ 5:48am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 5:48am | Report comment
despite myself i think i’m begining to admire quade
September 21st 2012 @ 10:50am
Jiggles said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Mania, he is actually a pretty nice person and does a hell of a lot for Rugby in this country. He does do bone head things, like all young blokes, but he always means well.
I have been watching him since he first played for Souths when he was new to this country as a young teen. People have been knocking him since then, and he always keeps proving them wrong.
September 21st 2012 @ 10:58am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
jiggles i dont care whether they have a good personality or not. i’m all about their abilities they have as rugby players. cullen was (harshly) said to have no brains, i dont care it was his try scoring ability i cared about. richie apparently is rude, so what?
quade’s a bone head sure and does some pretty stupid things. i dont care if because he’s just stupid or young.
but since quades come back from injury i’ve seen a fire in him. i’ve seen him want to get into tackling situations. he’s still suspect, as shown by his suspension for his tackle on bb, but its his change of attitude thats gotten to me. quade i think is showing a bit of courage and desire to learn and be better at his craft. thats what i see and thats what i’m begining to admire. imagine taking the quade of yesterday and adding a couple 100 hours of self improvement and i shudder to think what we’ll end up with. quade could be great i reckon if what i think i see is correct. a player thats willing to learn is one of the toughest opponents you’ll ever face
September 21st 2012 @ 11:24am
Jiggles said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
Well mania you have one thing right about him and that is how determined he is. Like I said he has had doubters at every level here in Australia and personally I thought he’d reached his limits when he struggled in SR. And after doing some very poor things on the field (at all levels) he seems able enough to recognize his mistakes and improve his game immensely. I think there is a fair bit of justification, as a kiwi fan, to be slightly nervous about him.
Mind you im more than slight nervous regarding the talent lining up at 10 in NZ right now.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:30am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
jiggles – what i’ve seen of him thus far this season has gotten my admiration. i hope he does come right, he has the potential to be a great player and i’d love to add him to the list of AB’s most honoured enemies.
i hope he is the kinda player that can grow and learn. it would mean that i’ve been wrong about him. that would be a pleasant surprise
September 21st 2012 @ 3:48pm
barbz said | September 21st 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
Did anyone else notice his TFN/Fainga style tackle on the Beast vs SA? Someone else had to come in and finish up but I would definitely give the credit to Quade.
September 21st 2012 @ 5:50am
Johnno said | September 21st 2012 @ 5:50am | Report comment
Funny Quade talks up a good game and gives out orders be attacking be aggressive and be confident , be free flowing but he himself does not back it up. World cup semi final 20111 awful vs the Ab’s, world cup 2011 quarter final vs boks awful, vs england at twickneham awful, and on weekend vs argentina awful. Quade talks a good game and talks it up for the wallabies to do yet he doesn’t do it himself. Funny that.
September 21st 2012 @ 6:11am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:11am | Report comment
yet he’s the best oz has. his performance last week wasnt error free but at least he was actually attacking instead of aimlessly kicking the ball away. he’s a better attacking option than barnes
September 21st 2012 @ 8:42am
Rabbitz said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Actually you can not say “he is the best oz has” as the system does not allow that assumption to be made.
The private school and academies do not allow the best to rise, they merely promote from within.
As for the last game, Cooper would have been lost without Barnes – did you not notice them swapping roles to cover for Coopers in ability to defend?
Did you notice that this led to any turn over ball being squandered as Barnes was in the fly-half position so like the brain dead automoton the system produces he simply kicked away possession?
Frankly, a fly half / fullback is no good if he or she can not tackle. “Be Brave” he says, yet he shirks the business of defence…
September 21st 2012 @ 10:57pm
Mike said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:57pm | Report comment
What is the difference between “aimlessly kicking the ball away” and aimlessly passing it wide and wild? End result is the same, if not worse.
September 22nd 2012 @ 4:27am
Dan H said | September 22nd 2012 @ 4:27am | Report comment
Umm… just a little thing called possession. Which is probably the most important facet of rugby. Can’t win without the ball.
September 22nd 2012 @ 10:48pm
H said | September 22nd 2012 @ 10:48pm | Report comment
Actually, position is the most important thing in rugby. Possession changes often.
There’s a reason people say rugby is a game best played in the oppo half.
Of course, if you have examples of the all blacks conceding points to possessions that the other side started in their own half, I’d love some examples.
September 23rd 2012 @ 6:44am
Kuruki said | September 23rd 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
I have never seen anyone launch a counter attack to score a long range try without the ball.
September 22nd 2012 @ 3:50pm
Billy Bob said | September 22nd 2012 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
Johnno, I am tempted to ignore your schizophrenic posts. You were in love with Quade about this time last year.
How many tries did you set up in a test match last week Johnno?
Quade is bang on. Despite his mistakes he and McCabe got over them and produced the game turning try.
He’s not just a flat track bully. He has a fighting spirit.
Your flip flop criticisms are not helping anyone nor adding to the intelligence of the debate.
September 23rd 2012 @ 8:18pm
ceboss said | September 23rd 2012 @ 8:18pm | Report comment
He is telling them to be brave and attack as a hint to Robbie Deans and to inform the fans that its Deans that has our attack on lock and key and instead wants to play arm wrestle style rugby.
September 21st 2012 @ 6:03am
Darwin Stubbie said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:03am | Report comment
Reading between the lines I’d say it’s another pop from Cooper at Deans’ ‘tactics’ ….. Same as it was for Giteau – it appears Cooper is being marginalized and is taking it to the public arena …. Once he is back from injury it should be great viewing to see who wins out as Deans’ job is nowhere near as secure as he once was
September 21st 2012 @ 7:58am
kingplaymaker said | September 21st 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
‘Reading between the lines I’d say it’s another pop from Cooper at Deans’’ Reading with an eye to find any way to criticise Deans that is.
September 21st 2012 @ 9:05am
Brett McKay said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
For what it’s worth KPM, I can’t see any way of interpreting the comments other than a shot at the tactics and apparent conservatism. Clearly, playmaker and coach have a different view on proceedings currently, but as the Grand Old Uncle rightly says below, it’s not Cooper’s head on the chopping block..
September 21st 2012 @ 11:47am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Grand….too kind. Do you charge 10% of my takings now?
September 21st 2012 @ 1:31pm
sittingbison said | September 21st 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
sorry KPM, this is a straight out attack on Deans playing style and game plan
September 21st 2012 @ 6:04am
Mr Red said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:04am | Report comment
@Johnno – you will find he is merely following coach’s orders. His style works at the Reds and pulls plenty of supporters. QC played a central role is those victories mentioned by DL. If anything Robbie has become more conservative with the passage of time.
September 21st 2012 @ 6:15am
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:15am | Report comment
I don’t think he played that much of a role in the Brisbane win over the AB’s. He was pretty quiet that day. The forwards were huge and Genia was class, but Cooper didn’t stand out.
September 21st 2012 @ 4:36pm
soapit said | September 21st 2012 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
i dont think we’ll be criticising anyones performance in a game where we beat the all blacks for a good few years.
September 21st 2012 @ 6:22am
SandBox said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:22am | Report comment
Ball in hand for the entire 80min would be a simple and predictable game plan (it only worked against ABs in RWC03 SF because they weren’t expecting it). Constant kicking is also predictable.
Dingo was good at set piece moves during some of those memorable wins. what happened there? In fairness to Deans, myself and others called for QC return in Sydney instead of AKL. Obviously his knee wasn’t so great, so maybe Dingo had that call right, or wrong for bringing him back too early at AKL
September 21st 2012 @ 6:23am
The Grafter said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:23am | Report comment
‘Be brave’ is a bit rich coming from a bloke that used his knee on the head of
a defenceless player lying on the bottom of a ruck.
September 21st 2012 @ 7:17am
M.O.C. said | September 21st 2012 @ 7:17am | Report comment
And the guy who is “hidden” in defense because he cant handle the confrontation.
September 21st 2012 @ 7:28am
formeropenside said | September 21st 2012 @ 7:28am | Report comment
On the WRONG SIDE of the bottom of the ruck. If RItchie cheats, he has it coming if the refs wont card him properly.
September 21st 2012 @ 7:58am
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
What side of the ruck is McCaw on, openside?
Once again, someone falls back on the ‘McCaw must have been cheating’ lazy thinking.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:05am
kingplaymaker said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:05am | Report comment
Jerry you are obsessed with defending any criticism of Mccaw.
Why should the world think he’s perfect just because you do?
September 21st 2012 @ 8:12am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
KPM – its pretty obvious foul play . are you saying you condone quades knee?
i’d also like to point out that quade was cited, went to the judiciary and was cleared. so if he was innocent then why was it that when he got to the wallabies camp his team mates internally fined him for that incident?
September 21st 2012 @ 8:49am
JohnB said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Mania, so the judiciary clearing him doesn’t provide some sort of argument it wasn’t obviously foul play? Incidentally, did anything at all happen to Thorn for piling in on Cooper? While Cooper says that he stumbled while getting to his feet (and I think it’s impossible to be sure from the video either way) Thorn deliberately hit him after the whistle. Provocation or perceived provocation isn’t supposed to come into it.
As for the alleged fine – was it serious? Not a kangaroo court type of thing? Do they fine everybody who gets a card or does something that might deserve one?
And (recognising that you didn’t raise any bravery issue so this is a general comment) while he obviously wasn’t using the word “brave” in the sense of “courageous” (rather as “adventurous”), seems to me from the safety of my desk that the one thing you can’t question about anyone who plays international rugby, particularly a relatively small bloke, is that they have at least a solid level of physical courage.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:54am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
JohnB – not sure what your asking here. are u intimating that the judiciary is always correct and its decisions should be referred to as gospel? i see them as humans who make tons of mistakes.
eg greyling and eztbeth both getting 2 weeks for extremely different offenses
no thorne didnt get anything.
fine from his wb team mates was a kangaroo court and it was for lack of respect, hence indicating they thought it was deliberate.
yes i’ve never questioned quades courage just his brains
September 21st 2012 @ 10:22am
JohnB said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Mania, I’m saying how can it be “pretty obvious foul play” if he was cited and exonerated? It may or may not have been – the video isn’t clear (at least if you don’t approach it with a firm preconception) and there was enough doubt for him to get off. The judiciaries make mistakes for sure, and they’re inconsistent on sentencing – but they dont often let obvious things brought before them go by.
The nature of a kangaroo court in a rugby team is that they’re taking the piss. I don’t know what happened here but I think you need to have that background before hanging your hat on him having been fined by the rest of the team as being any sort of evidence of anything (if that actually happened).
September 21st 2012 @ 11:02am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
JohnB -we’ll agree to disagree. i see the video and i see quade looking down seeing mccaw there then all of a sudden accidentally kneeing him the head. i thought it was obvious. u see it as accidental. does it matter? i dont think so.
on a macrocosm level though mccaw has easily gotten the last laugh
September 21st 2012 @ 1:10pm
JohnB said | September 21st 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Hard to argue with the last laugh part!
September 21st 2012 @ 8:26am
The Bush said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Like how you feel about Deans?
September 21st 2012 @ 8:30am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
KPM – or your anti feelings towards conradSmith?
September 21st 2012 @ 8:28am
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
I don’t care if people think he’s perfect but when people pipe up with something that’s blatantly wrong – especially when it’s repeated again and again ad nauseum – I might feel the need to correct them.
McCaw was on his back on the AB side of the ruck, nowhere near the ball. That’s fact.
September 21st 2012 @ 3:42pm
SkinnyKid said | September 21st 2012 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
The fact that people still talk about it like its a big deal flushes out the ‘fan boys’ on both sides of the debate for me…..
Jesus, have some of you blokes every played rugby?
Its a non-issue really. Stuff like that, and much much worse happens at every 2nd ruck even in the pros.
Jesus, move on.
September 21st 2012 @ 4:57pm
Jutsie said | September 21st 2012 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
Too right skinny, there have been much worse acts on the rugby field even this year without half the amount of attention paid to it.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:32am
nick said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Wrong time to pipe up KPM. Probably best to save that stuff for when the aforementioned criticism isn’t completely incorrect!
September 21st 2012 @ 10:03am
frisky said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
Kingplayer – may I suggest that the ‘obsession” about McCaw is yours. The video clip clearly shows that McCaw was on the AB side of the ruck, BUT you stiill have to believe that he is cheating. Don’t let facts get in the way of your mantra. Have you considered that he may know the rules of the game better than you do?
I had forgotten how nasty that cheap shot was. No wonder the Kiwi fans give him a rough time. McCaw did not complain or comment – no wonder there is a knoghthood available for him any time he wants it. Quade may have talents, but he is a gutless weasel. He should stick to burglary.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:17pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
Frisky,
He is not much chop at burglary either if I recall. Did he not get caught and the matter was mediated out. I thought crime 101 was not to get caught?
September 21st 2012 @ 8:33am
Red Kev said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
I think it was a pretty viscious headbutt to Quade’s knee, I can’t believe McCaw wasn’t suspended for it.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:34am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
or when mccaw jawbutted greylings forearm.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:37am
Red Kev said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Exactly mania, exactly
September 21st 2012 @ 9:23am
M.O.C. said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
I think there McCaws cowardly “bite” on greylings forearm should be investigated.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:54pm
El Gamba said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
It was brutal and obviously weakened Quad’s knee. He’s had problems ever since. Hope you’re proud Richie.
September 21st 2012 @ 1:43pm
WQ said | September 21st 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
El Gamba, that is Karma!
September 21st 2012 @ 8:38am
The Grafter said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Yes, that is certainly brave of Cooper.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:47am
Shungmao said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
I think it was a nothing incident, what I do see is exactly what the AB’s are missing even though they are winning ugly which is enforcer Thorne. Great player…
September 21st 2012 @ 8:49am
SandBox said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
another day on the roar oz rugby forum, with kiwis making it all about them. More self interest from the World’s most modest country
September 21st 2012 @ 8:54am
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
It’s a Kiwi born rugby player discussing the tactics of a Kiwi coached side.
Face it sandbox – when discussing rugby, it IS all about us.
September 21st 2012 @ 9:13am
SandBox said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
said with your 100% pure modesty Jerry
September 21st 2012 @ 9:16am
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
100% seriously too, obviously.
September 21st 2012 @ 10:53am
Red Kev said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
I like those 100% New Zealand ads…
0% Air Force
0% Army
0% Navy
100% there for the taking
September 21st 2012 @ 10:59am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
RK – we dont need an army, navy and airforce while we have mccaw
September 21st 2012 @ 11:06am
Red Kev said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
I like the way you think mania – Ritchie McCaw to replace Chuck Norris memes?
September 21st 2012 @ 11:09am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
nah chucks too soft. mccaw to replace the us nuclear armament memes
September 21st 2012 @ 10:15pm
SandBox said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:15pm | Report comment
think we could add 0% economy and 100% domestic violence when the ABs lose
Have you seen Way of the Dragon, they would both lose to Bruce Lee
September 21st 2012 @ 9:45am
Justin2 said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
I love the irony of an Aussie in Black defending his captain from a Kiwi in Gold
I also love how we cant move on from this… what a laugh.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:19am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Hi Jerry,
Richie McCaw is a legendary All Black….but he still is far from perfect….
September 21st 2012 @ 11:23am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
i agree uncle. richie cant pack down in the front row, kick goals from 60 metres out, and has a much lower try tally than christianCullen. the guys obviously a mortal pretending to be a minor rugby deity
September 21st 2012 @ 11:27am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Whilst he is the best open side flanker I have ever seen he is no Cullen. Is it true Richie will become a benevolent dictator of Shabanga-bang, sorry New Zealand upon his retirement?
September 21st 2012 @ 11:32am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
not sure must be after being sainted as the patron of rugby
September 21st 2012 @ 11:42am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
I am not sure if a serial infringer like Richie would qualify for Sainthood. I thought you had to be above reproach for that?
September 21st 2012 @ 11:48am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
not sure what your on about uncle. sir richie never infringes/cheats. what are u on about?
September 21st 2012 @ 11:53am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Never?….Really? I know he didn’t go St Pats, played for Ories, donned the Wellington or Hurricans jumper, doesn’t drink Lion Brown, lives on the south island and his last name is not Cullen but even considering all his faults I think I may have found some more
September 21st 2012 @ 11:55am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
wow uncle those refs were terrible.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:56am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
…just simply shocking wern’t they mania….what were they thinking
September 21st 2012 @ 11:59am
mania said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
republicans uncle, no respect for royalty
September 21st 2012 @ 12:01pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Yes the Royal family has never ever caused a scandal have they mate?
September 21st 2012 @ 11:52am
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
All rugby players cheat. And that goes double for forwards, triple for loose forwards and quadruple for opensides.
I’ve never denied McCaw cheats, it’s just that he doesn’t cheat as much as people claim he does or all that much more than the opposition. Or that every time he gets targeted for extra attention by the opposition (and I do think this does happen to him a fair bit more than most players) it’s cause he must have been cheating.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:55am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Mate I do recall when he got eye-gouged in the 2011 final. Although I would never ever condone foul play which both Cooper and Rougerie are guilty of against Richie, Richie does put himself in off side or infringing positions. Now clearly the ref does not always see it and in cases like the 2011 final Rougerie took matters into his own hands with a dirt bag act. I agree Richie does get extra attention.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:18pm
Red Kev said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Sometimes you have to admire the sheer audacity with which Ritchie cheats though – don’t get me wrong I hate it when he does it and gets away with it against the Wallabies – but there’s a certain verve to doing something so blatantly illegal and getting away with it.
Standing as a second halfback in a lineout during the RWC comes to mind.
Disengaging from a scrum early to receive a flick from the no.8 to score a try against Australia is another.
Sometimes, tipping your hat is all you can do.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:27pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
appears to be a team effort at times.
September 21st 2012 @ 2:02pm
WQ said | September 21st 2012 @ 2:02pm | Report comment
What I find totally unbalanced in the whole debate about Ritchie McCaw is the total failure of all of the accusers to mention anything about the players in their Teams that do the exact same things!!
Anybody else find that it bit strange?
September 22nd 2012 @ 8:21am
Riccardo said | September 22nd 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Same WQ.
The fact that he is the best leader of the best team may be more telling than an acknowledgement of reality.
That said though mate, even this one-eyed fanatical AB fan can understand the frustration our Richie inflicts on opponents. Combine that with astute leadership and one of the best all round openside games in the world and the target on his back is almost visible.
September 22nd 2012 @ 3:34pm
SandBox said | September 22nd 2012 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
Red Kev. Is Verve a synonym for corruption?
September 21st 2012 @ 4:20pm
Eddo said | September 21st 2012 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
Liked this. So what you’re saying is Adam Thompson is as good as McCaw?
September 21st 2012 @ 8:05am
M.O.C. said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:05am | Report comment
He has it coming? – wow, nice approach to foul play there FOS
September 21st 2012 @ 8:17am
formeropenside said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
serial cheating, foul play – its a pretty fine line at times. I’m not condoning Bakkies, but for someone like McCaw – always just too slow to roll away/change his line when it suits him – well, if he’s there too long, he cant complain about the cleanouts.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:33am
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Hey Openside – I notice you’ve not answered my post above:
What side of the ruck is McCaw on when Quade knees him?
September 21st 2012 @ 12:02pm
Sage said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
I’ll answer you Jerry, he’s on the right side. As in you’re correct regarding where he was laying at the time. It’s all BS anyway and it shouldn’t still be getting so much attention. Quades biggest mistake was doing it too openly. It was a square up for past St Richie attention he’d received on more than one occasion but too blatant. You have to be sneakier – more proficient in the dark arts as the Darkness are.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:07pm
Jerry said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
Amazing that, in this day and age of multiple cameras, no one seems to have caught any of this niggly stuff McCaw was doing.
September 21st 2012 @ 1:17pm
Sage said | September 21st 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
There was that little bitch kick Jerry. So you’re saying that if something isn’t highlighted in a ruck or scrum for instance for all to see that it didn’t happen ? And no I’m not saying that because we didn’t see it that then means it did happen either. I’m going on footage of their previous niggles and comments from players. I’m not saying I necessarily approve of that knee either by the way, I’m saying it goes both ways and the over reaction and one-sidedness of it all was ridiculous. As I said, way too much attention on it. I didn’t raise it.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:35am
nick said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Sad formeropenside. You can tell the difference between the right and wrong side of the ruck eh? Heres a hint:
If you’re on the opposite side to where all the guys in the yellow jerseys are then its probably a safe bet thats its YOUR side of the ruck.
In the case mentioned here, McCaw was complete in the right and Quade was an idiot.
September 21st 2012 @ 9:20am
M.O.C. said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:20am | Report comment
So foul play is OK if it is against McCaw? but not if Bakkies does it?
September 21st 2012 @ 12:41pm
Pierce said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
“he can’t complain about the cleanouts”
He doesn’t complain.
September 21st 2012 @ 3:41pm
rae1 said | September 21st 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Ummm. He doesn’t complain. And this just adds to the legendary stories that will be told when he retires.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:33am
The Grafter said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
We are refering to Coopers ‘brave’ statement mate, not whether McCaw was onside or not!
A simple solution is to bring back the use of feet. When asked at the beginning of this years Super season what he would most like to see changed in current rugby, Chiefs winning coach Dave Rennie stated he would like to see the clearing of the ruck with the feet as per pre 2003 World Cup. Rennie, an ex Wellington centre knows this prevents off side play in the ruck, and the English specialty of slowing down the ball by lying around or over it.
September 21st 2012 @ 9:21am
M.O.C. said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
100% agree
September 21st 2012 @ 10:20am
Hoy said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Now a Kiwi speciality. Provocative?
September 21st 2012 @ 2:04pm
WQ said | September 21st 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Sooner the better!
September 21st 2012 @ 8:48pm
Rugby Tragic said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:48pm | Report comment
Grafter, the IRB did away with rucking as many of us recall, suggesting it might cause some serious injuries. It says nothing of the fact that, in particular the AB’s turned rucking into art form. The NH nations could not compete for the NH dominated IRB literally banned it!
It was interesting times when opposition players slowing the ball down were rucked out faster than the ball being cleared.
As to the McCaw argument – let us just accept that he is an exceptional player, as to whether he cheats or not, I think I will leave that to the referees who seem to agree that McCaw does not infringe as much as opposing fans think. Nine peers including John Eales (whom I have the greatest respect for, both as a player and a gentleman) also voted him the International player of the year… not once but 3 times. I think I will accept their judgement.
I have followed rugby for well over 50 years (yeap I am an old fart) and have not seen a more influential player. That of course is my opinion only and others might disagree – that is fine that is their right.
September 21st 2012 @ 6:33am
Monty String said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:33am | Report comment
Barnes won’t be dink-kicking in Pretoria under penalty of death. His instructions will be distrib to McCabe for a crash ball, forwards hit that breakdown hard, out again to Barnes, more distrib this time to Digby or Beale, more go-foward, more forwards driving into the breakdown, back to Barnes, cutout pass to AAC, on to Shippers, TRY. Or something like that.
September 21st 2012 @ 6:41am
rabbitfan said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:41am | Report comment
Your dreaming if you think Barnes wont kick it, put Beale their and you,ll see distribution and consequent tries..
September 21st 2012 @ 8:48am
Rabbitz said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Put Beale there and all you will see is dropped ball, and the back line compressing laterally as he runs sideways to avoid contact.
You are right about distribution if you include hospital passes behind the target player and hail mary’s to no-one in particular.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:01pm
Mike said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:01pm | Report comment
Congratulations Monty, after 70 straight posts on Quade vs Richie, you finally started a new string of posts!
September 21st 2012 @ 6:36am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:36am | Report comment
Whilst I agree 100% with Quade Cooper, it is not his job on the line if Australia loose against South Africa and Argentina in the next two weeks. Robbie Deans remains a coach under pressure. Although twice victorious thus far in the Championship neither wins have been fine exhibitions of rugby, and only showing the slightest of improvement along the way.
Robbie Deans is at the ‘casino’ end of his career. Whilst the appeal of a conservative approach appears logical Deans must also be mindful of the fact the Wallabies have never defeated South Africa at Loftus. Never. It would be a magnificent scalp for Deans if he could mastermind a win over the Bok’s this weekend. To do it I agree he must take some calculated risk with both tactics and selection.
I am not totally convinced that the Wallabies are totally fit. Injuries aside they are not as fit as some Wallaby teams of the past. Considering that and the fact they will be playing at altitude I think the Wallabies will struggle for air at times. Also consider to beat South Africa in the past we have run them around the park first. The Bok’s are not a team Australia bulldozes. It is for this reason I would look for a 5-2 forward split on the bench.
I don’t think Radeke will go much longer than 40-45 minutes. Benn Robinson only plays 30-40 minutes these days. Robbie must be very cunning with his selections. Furthermore I would play Berrick at 10. Berrick has some form at 10 this year, Kurtley has no form in any position this year. Barnes is our best goal kicker and can kick field goals which I think may be important this weekend. This would be my team;
1. Ben Alexander
2. Totafu Polata-Nau
3. James Slipper
4. Nathan Sharpe (C)
5. Kane Douglas
6. Scott Higginbotham
7. Michael Hooper
8. Radeke Samo
9. Nick Phipps
10. Berrick Barnes
11. Digby Ioane
12. Ben Tapaui
13. Adam Ashley-Cooper
14. Dom Shipperly
15. Pat McCabe
16. Stephen Moore
17. Paddy Ryan
18. Sitaleki Timani
19. Dave Dennis
20. Liam Gill
21. Brett Sheehan
22. Mike Harris
Why not just walk into the big house and put it all on black. After all he is a New Zealander!
September 21st 2012 @ 8:04am
kingplaymaker said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
UA I found the Wallabies enterprising in attack in the last match and fit enough to overtake the opposition.
It’s one of oddest ideas I’ve heard to put Douglas ahead of Timani. Douglas did well for a debut, but Timani was tremendous in the two matches before injury.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:16am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:16am | Report comment
Hi KPM,
Mate I was tempted to play both and leave Sharpe on the bench but I think leadership will be required, hence Sharpe. With the game at altitude I would expect the bench to get a healthy run. I have warmed to Timani and Douglas and think both will make a fine Wallaby combo. As Douglas is the incumbent I think he gets the nod for me.
On a side issue I think the lock stocks are looking bright for the future; Horwill, Simmonds, Pyle, Neville, Timani, Douglas, Carter, Fardy – not bad.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:45pm
jeznez said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
UA, fair call on the locks. Let the injured guy come back from the bench.
You have the props around the wrong way though. BA has just started to find some form at 3, leave him there. If you want to drop FatCat then let Slipper play loose.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:50pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
Hey Mate,
as a graduate of the Adrian Morris school of scrummaging I take heed of your comments. However I think BA has been playing well, I think of him more as LHP and Slipper a THP.
September 21st 2012 @ 8:31am
Droppa said | September 21st 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Lets hope they dont “lose” the game…huh!..guru!
September 21st 2012 @ 11:08am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
I am Droppa I can’t make sense of you post. Could you elaborate?
September 21st 2012 @ 12:44pm
jeznez said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
ignore him Unc, he is critcising your use of loose rather than lose.
Big game tomorrow for Drummoyne against Pats out at TG Milner.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:50pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
If the only fault he can find is my spelling I am happy
September 21st 2012 @ 1:41pm
bigbaz said | September 21st 2012 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Your major fault is that you have BB in your team.
September 21st 2012 @ 9:05am
Shungmao said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
UA,
Interesting team, a lot to like about it. My thoughts:
Robinson ( first 30 but not the last 10)
Moore
Alexander ( kills me say but he s playing well)
Sharpe
Timani
Hooper
Higgers
Samo
Phipps
Beale
Ioane
McCabe
AAC
Shipperly
Barnes
Second Half Changes
Slipper
Moore
Alexander
Sharpe
Douglas
Hooper
Gill
Higgers
Phipps
Beale
Ioane
McCabe
AAC
Shipperly
Barnes
The team I think would be interesting
Slipper
Moore
Alexander
Sharpe
Douglas
Hooper
Higgers
Timani
Phipps
Beale
Ioane
Tapaui
McCabe
Cummins
Barnes
September 21st 2012 @ 9:46am
Justin2 said | September 21st 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Alexander is playing well in the loose, never been a problem. His scrum work is still ordinary. Every match his face has the sponsors logo all over it
September 21st 2012 @ 10:04am
joeb said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Uncle, brave call on Barnes at 10 – not too many on here will agree considering his propensity for putting boot to leather, at every opportunity (don’t know if you recall the S15 Tahs versus Stormers game at Newlands earlier this year; he kicked away so much ball in the first 10 minutes the commentator was beside himself in disbelief, and they posted 2 converted tries on us in a flash). McCabe at 15… can he handle it? McCabe seems our best most reliable IC at present.
See you’ve gone for Higgers at 6, good call, and the game is actually played Sunday week 30 Sep, 1.00am our time,
I’d play Timani at 7 in the first half, bring Hooper on in the 2nd forty.
If Beale is fit, he should start, at either 15 or 10. Let’s say Beale at 10, Barnes at 15.
September 21st 2012 @ 10:23am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Morning Joeb,
It is a brave call but Beale has offered close to nothing in the international arena this season. Barnes was poor against New Zealand but played well against Wales. I to agree his game against the Stormers in Super rugby was atrocious, however he has played some good rugby since then…and some poor rugby also. I am not completely against kicking, only aimless, pointless kicking like chips and grubbers and the like. Barnes is a very good goal kick and drop kicker. He has points in those boots.
I think Pat McCabe would make a very good fullback. He has played Super rugby there and wing also. It was Deans that made him a centre as I recall. Furthermore he is courageous, can tackle, is a strong runner of the ball and would be good working into a back line move. Whilst he does not possess the zip of a Beale or O’Conner, McCabe brings his own direct running into a counter attack. This also allows for Tapaui to play 12 who can crash ball yet also pass. AAC has been very good at 13 IMHO.
I am not sold on Timani as a backrow forward. I actually think we should start grooming Liam Gill as a potential 8. He just seems to be getting bigger every week. I don’t think Beale should even be on the tour. I have harped on about this adnausium so I will give it a break. I would have taken Zach Holmes as a back up to Barnes with Harris also a stop fill 10.
Thanks for getting me right about game time. I think I’ll watch the SPL or EPL instead this weekend.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:44pm
joeb said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Afternoon Uncle, Yes agree Bealsie hasn’t had his best international season thus far. Perhaps Deans could call in a sports psychologist to sort KB’s head out, do we think? It worked for Wollongong Whiz Gardner in ’87.
Yes now that you mention it, have seen McCabe at FB for the Brumbies, and if need be he could cover it in Pretoria. Agree with AAC being in good form at OC. Let’s hope it continues.
Interesting to read Spiro’s comment that Timani should start with Kane on the bench, and Hooper to start/remain at 7. I just feel that we need plenty of muscle and grunt up front to handle the Boks on their turf, with apparently assorted fruit coming our way.
Have watched the EPL on occasion. Always top-notch, though haven’t seen much of the SPL. This past weekend watched the two NRL preliminary finals, and that was wearing enough… My team the Rabbits as we know lost in spectacular fashion, a habit they’ve honed only too well over the past 41 years… But there’s always next year.
Cheers.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:05pm
Mike said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:05pm | Report comment
Plenty agree with putting Barnes at 10. Beale is way out of form and his defensive lapses in the last Bledisloe were disastrous. You just can’t risk him at the most crucial position in the team (nor is it fair to him when his confidence is obviously brittle at the moment). And Barnes hasn’t performed too badly in his recent stints at 10.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:12pm
joeb said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
“Plenty agree with putting Barnes at 10.”
Well, till very recently i did too, but Deans rightly played him at FB against the Pumas, and it actually worked. “But now Cooper’s out.” Yeah, and Mark Ella seems to see it now as Berrick 15, Kurts 10, but to settle the issue let’s have Baz call a referendum.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/not-so-fab-four-find-its-hard-to-be-a-hit/story-e6frg7po-1226479115241
September 21st 2012 @ 11:52am
Suzy Poison said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
That’s a good team Uncle. If I was Robbie, that’s who I would pick. I would also pick Barnes, because he did the business against the Welsh. But I still don’t think the Wallabies will win. They will encounter a very fired up Bok team, expect fireworks within the first twenty.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:58am
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Hi SP,
cheers for that. Yeh Heyneke Mayer at home, etc it will be one tough game. But we don’t play to loose so I hope the boys are ‘brave’ without being selfish or foolish. A team can be brave not just an individual.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:06pm
ohtani's jacket said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
If the Springboks lose this game they should quit playing international rugby. Loser leaves town match.
September 21st 2012 @ 12:14pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Yes but where does the looser go?……ah The Western Force!
September 21st 2012 @ 11:11pm
Mike said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:11pm | Report comment
Why OJ?
All it would mean is that Australia has won six in a row against Bokke. So what?
The Boks have won seven in a row against us before – twice! Yet here we all still are: playing rugby, watching rugby, and enjoying rugby.
September 21st 2012 @ 1:54pm
sittingbison said | September 21st 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
5/2 split on the bench? Why Dennis AND Gill? There is no punch on the bench in the backs, nothing to change tactics. Shippers has a compound broken finger, do you want to trust him catching the final pass for a try? Making a try saving tackle?
The way we can beat the boks is through adventure, run around them – not kick for territory. Barnes at 10 and McCabe at 15 and AAC at 13 completely constipates all form of adventurous attack, I couldn’t have dreamed up a worse combination if I tried.
I have been shouting since the Victory incident that Beale should be sent home to deal with his legal issues, get his life together, clear his head and get fit. Nothing he has done since starting with Wales through the ABs to the Boks and Pumas has changed that opinion – in fact he looks even more unfit now than then.
HOWEVER due to circumstances I would start him at 10, with a clear instruction to cut loose. Barnes at 15, he can drift in occasionally to stiffen the resolve if it wavers (like last week). He can also hoof it in the rarefies atmosphere. Get Dennis off bench. Replace Shippers with Cummins at 14. Start Taps at 12, McCabe to bench.
Barnes and Harris can both cover for Beale when he runs out of steam (not match fit). McCabe can come on and run straight if its going pear shaped, but also stiffen the defense when Taps runs out of steam (hes not match fit either).
As to the article, as I said elsewhere Cooper has voiced what has been a bone of contention since Deans selected McCabe at 12 for the RWC – a major failing of nerve and abondonement of the Australian way. In doing so he has dug his own grave, he and Deans can no longer be in the same team, and JON will not abandon Deans. Seyonarra Quade.
September 21st 2012 @ 3:02pm
Uncle Argyle said | September 21st 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
Hi SB,
It is my understanding that Shipperly will be fit by the test or they would not have taken him on tour. If he does not come up to scratch I would give Nick Cummins a game. Whilst Berrick has previously kicked and kicked….and kicked. I did think his second half against South Africa in Perth he took the ball to the line more and looked good. Furthermore he can kick goals and droppies as previously mentioned. I just simply can’t go with Beale. he does not deserve selection both on his form and off field behaviour.
Mate I think AAC has been very good at 13 for us. Whilst I agree we should look to carve through SA not go over them, McCabe, AAC and Tap’s can all crash if required and can run good angles. I think we need more oomph in our collision zone hence a bigger, hard running backline. One thing I like about Nick Phipps is his speed to the break down and his quick passing. If Berrick can put runners into holes, not stand 10 yards deep, and take on the line I think our back will do well.
September 21st 2012 @ 6:39am
Ash said | September 21st 2012 @ 6:39am | Report comment
Nothing’s gonna change until Deans, his conservative game plan, and mediocre selections are gone.
September 21st 2012 @ 11:13pm
Mike said | September 21st 2012 @ 11:13pm | Report comment
Yes, and he started the Chicago fire and killed the Kennedys. Thanks for letting us know.