AFL Grand Final: Hawthorn in the driver’s seat
By Cameron Rose, 24 Sep 2012 Cameron Rose is a Roar Expert
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Lance Franklin of the Hawks celebrates a goal during the AFL 1st Preliminary Final match between the Hawthorn Hawks and the Adelaide Crows (Photo: Lachlan Cunningham/AFL Media)
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So here we are on the verge of that one day in September. The grand final awaits.
On one side we have the team everyone said would get there, and on the other the club no one thought could.
We have the flashy, fancy Hawks, everyone’s tip, a year-long premiership favourite containing the magnetism of Buddy Franklin and the wizardry of Cyril Rioli.
They are up against the supposedly dour, continually underrated Swans, who count a Canadian rugby player and half a dozen off-cuts from other clubs among their key planks.
But both sides are similar in many ways – no two sides are as tough in the clinches, as keen to get it to the outside, and to move it quickly when they do, and each possess multi-pronged forward set-ups.
Where they are possibly most similar is setting up superbly in defence, which is hardly a surprise between two grand finalists. Defence wins premierships is a common enough catch-cry, and with good reason.
No side does it better than Sydney, and Ted Richards leads the way as the best in the business, combining with Heath Grundy and Alex Johnson to choke off opposition forward fifty entries with regularity, feeding the ball off to the likes Marty Mattner, Nick Malceski and Rhys Shaw to provide dash and run.
Hawthorn’s equivalent to Richards is Josh Gibson, although the latter often prefers the big spoil over taking the mark.
Ryan Shoenmakers is the (often shaky) stay-at-home full back, with Ben Stratton in support. Grant Birchall and Matthew Suckling provide the run, each with lethal left foot.
Perhaps Brent Guerra will be back this week for last-line duties, potentially to play on Ben McGlynn in the battle of the dodgy hamstrings.
The Hawks are a bit more vulnerable down back to quick ball movement coming in than the Swans are, and Sydney are the fast-break specialists, so expect a few cheap goals under those circumstances.
If the Swans try to get it in long and high, it will play into Gibson’s hands. As good as Sydney were against Collingwood, they still need to do some work tidying up that last kick inside fifty.
Lewis Roberts-Thomson, the rare breed of ‘role-playing’ key forward, is likely to get the job of keeping Josh Gibson honest, and there may be no more crucial match-up in the entire match. If Gibson is allowed off the chain to punch and mark at will, the Swans will have trouble taking enough marks inside fifty to kicking a winning score.
The Swans have shown they will use LRT as a target too, his two goals on Friday night against Collingwood are proof enough of that. He’s been a regular scoreboard contributor throughout the year, and, despite his obvious limitations, shapes as an important player.
It’s been well documented how the really big ‘monster’ forwards have troubled the Hawthorn defence, and it’s been especially true over the past month against high quality teams. Jack Darling took a match-high nine marks and kicked three against them in round 23, Travis Cloke led all-comers with eight and six in the first final, and Kurt Tippett did the same with eleven and four on Saturday evening, accompanied by another four majors to Taylor Walker.
What plays in the Hawks favour is the Swans don’t have the really big unit coming out of the goal-square.
Sam Reid is talented and blessed with beautiful hands, but is still slight, and struggling for impact. Five marks, fifteen possessions and a goal has been his below-par contribution in the finals so far, and he needs to go up several levels.
Adam Goodes is a champion of course, and potential game-shaper, but doesn’t tear teams apart through brute strength and contested marking, while the combination of Mike Pyke and Shane Mumford will find a goal between them at some point, hopefully not from an umpiring decision plucked from nowhere in a ruck contest.
Lewis Jetta is another problem altogether, and has been damaging in both finals so far. He’s got the knack of kicking the important goal, often in scintillating, team-lifting fashion. He needs to be the victim of a hard tag, and I’d give the task to Clinton Young, who can also hurt going the other way.
Up the other end, Franklin will obviously be causing headaches for Richards and co. He kicked 4.3 against them in his return from a hamstring injury in round 22, and has been in ominous form since, improving with each outing.
Fresh off eight scoring shots from twenty touches against the Crows, he’s ready to deliver the big game performance of his life.
It won’t be a lone hand from Buddy of course, as the Hawks have many players who regularly find the big sticks. Luke Bruest provides huge pressure and finishing skills, Jack Gunston has been a handy foil as the third tall, and David Hale has had a career-best season alternating between ruck and forward.
Jarryd Roughead was a non-entity the last time these sides met and will be looking to rebound. He’s only kicked one goal in the last four matches, and his team needs more marks within goal-kicking distance from him.
If the above isn’t enough to make the mouth water, then what about the midfield battles that await us?
What a roll call of talent we’ll see plying their trade on the biggest stage, each of them as hard as flint. Josh Kennedy. Sam Mitchell. Keiran Jack. Brad Sewell. Jude Bolton. Luke Hodge. Ryan O’Keefe. Jordan Lewis. Dan Hanneberry.
It’s going to take a brave player to put themselves between any of the above and the ball when it’s there to be won. They all hit like a Mack truck and don’t mind taking punishment either.
Add in Jarrad McVeigh, probably the most poised and polished of the Sydney elite, and they might just bat a bit deeper at the coalface. Hawthorn probably makes up for it on the outside with Isaac Smith, Liam Shiels and Xavier Ellis, if he makes the cut, and we know their bevy of elite runners and precise disposal can cut a team to ribbons.
Sam Mitchell, especially, will be keen for a big game, and he’s my Norm Smith medal tip. He only had thirteen touches as captain in 2008, but led the way with a match high seven tackles, which is what you want from a leader when they can’t get their hands on the ball as often as they’d like.
There’s a nice symmetry to he and Luke Hodge switching places as Norm Smith medallist and premiership captain. Much has been made of Mitchell missing this year’s All-Australian team, and the voters will have that in mind when making their decision.
The Hawks only just overcame the Crows, but in reality they outplayed them comprehensively early, and should have put the game away.
Inside fifties don’t always tell the story (we only need to look at Sydney’s defeat of Adelaide for proof – the Swans lost the count 37-59 but had the game played on their terms and were easily the superior side), but they did on Saturday.
Hawthorn won the count 64-38, with many of those entries of a high quality. They didn’t result in goals through a combination of poor kicking, dropped marks and fumbled ground balls.
If the Hawks forward structure is similarly good this week and their midfield is able to deliver again, it’s unlikely the same mistakes will be made twice in a row.
When these sides met in round 22, the Hawks weren’t prepared for the intensity and pressure of the Swans after a couple of soft wins against Port and Gold Coast, finding themselves 38 points down halfway through the second quarter.
Once they settled into the rhythm of the match, Hawthorn outscored Sydney 14.9 to 7.6 from that point on. I’m not one for hoodoo’s of any description, so don’t care about the Swans poor MCG record, but the ground will suit the Hawks more than the SCG did, which gives us a pointer to the likely result.
When I was going for my driver’s license, I made several errors in my final lesson, which was immediately beforehand, nervous under the weight of expectation.
Who wants to be known as the guy who failed their driving test, right? Afterwards, my instructor told me that he’s always more confident when a learner makes a few mistakes in the preceding lesson, because it sharpens them up when the heat is really on.
It’s a lesson that’s stuck with me through the years, and is why, much like Geelong in 2007 who went through a very similar situation as the hottest of favourites, Hawthorn will be crowned premiers in 2012.
Sydney to put up one hell of a fight in an entertaining and exciting battle, but Hawthorn will wear them down in the end to win by 25 points.
Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for in his mind there is nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.
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September 24th 2012 @ 7:50am
Anthony said | September 24th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Hawk’s captain is being isolated from the team because he has a virus. This could affect the team, as we know a virus is spread before we are aware we have it. A sick Hawks team on Saty maybe?
September 24th 2012 @ 9:23am
Daniel Oyston said | September 24th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Anthony … open the draw, there might be some more straws to clutch at in there
September 24th 2012 @ 9:40am
Professor Wagstaff said | September 24th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Anyone got an AFLGF ticket they can sell me
September 24th 2012 @ 10:05am
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
I’m thinking the same thing. Though being in Sydney I’d also have to deal with the airfare which will “coincidently” be significantly higher than almost any other week
September 24th 2012 @ 10:48am
Cameron said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
Would petrol also be “coincidently” higher along the Hume if you decided to drive?
September 24th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
That’s the most likely option right now (assuming I can even get a GF ticket.) The main issue there is that I can’t get Friday of work and I’ve got to be back up to Sydney to see the Dogs in the NRL GF on Sunday. Who would have thought having your teams make both GF’s could produce such challenges
That being said petrol generally is “coincidently” higher around the weekend but that’s another issue for another time and place!
September 24th 2012 @ 11:36am
Professor Wagstaff said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
Sorry to rub it in but I booked the airfares last Monday as it was only $250 return!!!
Now just have to get a ticket. Worst case is one of the money gouging non-competing club packages for $1500.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Well played sir…
September 24th 2012 @ 9:47am
Paul said | September 24th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Hawks looked off the boil on Saturday and agree that Roughhead needs to have more of an impact. Wonder if we’ll see Cyril one out in the forward line this week. It is definately set up for a mouth watering grand final hopefully Sydney can stand up for at least the 3 and 1/2 quarters. Hawks to win by 12 points.
September 24th 2012 @ 4:30pm
Redb said | September 24th 2012 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
Watched Rioli live on Sat arvo, his work in the forward pocket was unbeleivable the man has skill.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:13am
Rob said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
A mouth watering contest, hard to see the Hawks not taking the chocolates, a Swans win would be a pretty big upset.
Hawthorns to lose.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:48am
The Great Poohdini said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
The Poohdini has been squawking since my beloved Pies got spanked by a slick moving Hawthorn in our second meeting this year. As good as Hawthorn is the Poohdini will be dropping a few snags & froffies for the Swans on Saturday. The prospect of Hawthorn winning another flag doesn’t sit very well with me. Hawthorn are too arrogant for my liking & I love Sydney FC culture. Hard uncompromised football all playing for each other & their supporters. Would love to see the bushranger Rhyce ‘Slippery hands, slippery feet’ Shaw win a flag, the young Sam Reid & a fellow Collegian in Jude Bolton.
I know it wont happen but I would love to see Buddy & Goodes go head to head! Buddy wouldn’t know which way to run.
Poohdini Out!
September 24th 2012 @ 11:51am
Leigh said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
Hey poohdini, how can a pies supporter call any one else too arrogant, a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, and if you would like to think back 2 years there was a 10 minute passage where Franklin went in to defense an played on guess who? Goodes. The Sydney champ looked very average against the superstar.
September 24th 2012 @ 2:26pm
The Great Poohdini said | September 24th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Have to be arrogant to call someone arrogant. I guess you justified my credentials to make that comment. Didn’t see Goodes & Buddy match up. I think the player that goes in to defend is always going to have the upper hand. They kind of call the shots in terms of pushing there opponent up the ground & makes them more accountable when you have a reputable opponent who is normally on the offence. I would just like to see the match up but I would have liked it the other way (Goodes down back on Buddy)
September 24th 2012 @ 4:00pm
vancouver said | September 24th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
Leigh, all the Hawks supporters I am close to have been more than content to sing loud and proud how chuffed with themselves they have been all year- would have loved to see Adelaide get up as a result and cant wait for the Swans to give them a dose of the pouts. Far worse than any other supporters over the last decade- arrogance might be a harsh call, but in comparison to the supporters of the last three dominant clubs (yes, even the pies) Hawks have the arrogance stakes in spades.
September 24th 2012 @ 7:08pm
Mango Jack said | September 24th 2012 @ 7:08pm | Report comment
Based on results, van. Only club to have won a premiership in each of the last 5 decades. About to add another one on sat! I guess this proves your point!
September 24th 2012 @ 10:57am
TomC said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
‘…continually underrated Swans’
Who’s been underrating them, Cam?
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/06/25/swans-cats-will-provide-nuisance-value-september/
Oh.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:38am
Cameron Rose said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:38am | Report comment
TomC,
The Swans improved in the right year to do so. The competition is not as strong as 2011, in fact is far weaker, and therefore perfect for an honest team with enough talent to make headway. Last years grand finalists, Collingwood and Geelong, went backwards, as did West Coast through injuries, Carlton dropped away in a train wreck season, the Saints were always going to, and the likes of Richmond, Essendon and North weren’t good enough to leap up the ladder and become contenders.
Sydney have benefited from being in the right place at the right time throughout the year but, to their credit, have been good enough to take advantage of it. Adelaide was the one team that all finalists wanted to play in the first week, yet Sydney won the lottery, and Collingwood had been to hell and back and were never going to get past them at ANZ. I had no issue tipping the Swans, and comfortably so, in both matches.
All of this means that they now have the chance to be in the right place again. If the Hawks don’t bring their best, or once again can’t convert their opportunities, or show any signs of mental fragility in a tight contest, the Swans can exploit them. If the Hawks bring the required intensity early and convert that to goals, then it may not be the tight contest that most are expecting and hoping for.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
I had no issue tipping the Hawks in both of their finals either. It doesn’t mean it was a soft finals draw, just that they were better then the two teams they played (the same teams that the Swans played)
September 24th 2012 @ 3:21pm
The Great Poohdini said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
I think it’s safe to say that you would of picked Hawthorn to beat either of Adelaide, Collingwood or Sydney at any venue in week 1 & the prelim. Don’t think you would of tipped Sydney so easily against Collingwood had the game been in the first week of the finals.
September 24th 2012 @ 3:27pm
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Easily? No. I would have still picked them though. Then again I am a Swans fan
My point really was that it’s a bit strange to say that the Swans had a lucky finals draw when we played the same teams that the Hawks did. Either we both had a lucky draw or neither did. Given that we both played the remaining top 4 teams it’s fair to say that there wasn’t much luck involved.
September 25th 2012 @ 12:00pm
The Great Poohdini said | September 25th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
I get your point & I also see where Cameron is coming from in that getting an easy path in the finals. No-one is saying that they are not deserving of their placing in the GF. But there is such thing as an easy run into the finals & you should be happy that you got it.
First week of finals is the most important week. Everyone is playing on even terms. All on a normal 6-7 day break. You want to get the week off & that was pretty evident in the Collingwood side on Friday night that the break does make a difference, as does travelling. Sydney played the weakest side in the top 4 in the first week & played a run down Collingwood 2 weeks later. I’m not saying Sydney couldn’t beat Collingwood but in even circumstances its probably a more even contest then we witnessed.
Hawthorn on the other hand had Collingwood at its best with an even break.
I always believe it doesn’t matter how you get there as long as you get there. If you had an easy draw to get there so be it. You have earned the right to have an easy draw & deserve the opportunity to go toe to toe. The best team of the season doesn’t always win & if you steal one who cares. Anything can happen on GF day. I hope the swans win.
September 24th 2012 @ 2:31pm
TomC said | September 24th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
In this article…
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/08/20/crunch-time-arrives-sydney-vs-hawthorn/
…I asked if your logic for talking down the Swans was getting strained. You didn’t answer.
Instead we just get more elaborate arguments, and further strained logic, supporting all the big calls you’ve made talking down the Swans’ ability to make and win the grand final.
The crux of your argument then was that the Swans struggled against top teams. Well, they’ve now beaten every other side in the eight at least once. Surely the time has arrived to revisit your own opinions, rather than continue dismissing every strong performance the Swans produce.
I would agree that the field isn’t as strong in 2012 as it was in 2011, but I’m not sure that you could call if ‘far’ weaker. Collingwood and Hawthorn had effectively the same teams. Geelong and West Coast missed a few players through retirement and injury, but then Adelaide, Fremantle, and North Melbourne were significantly better.
I’m also backing Hawthorn on Saturday. But only because they’re a very strong team, and the equal of most if not all recent premiership teams. That doesn’t mean the Swans wouldn’t also be worthy premiers.
September 25th 2012 @ 2:44pm
Cameron Rose said | September 25th 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
TomC,
In the end, I think what I think, and I try to back that up with reasons. They may be convoluted to you and examples of ‘strained logic’, but I also may well be right.
You have got your beliefs, and they may well be right. That’s the beauty of debate. As long as you come across as if you know what you’re talking about (which you obviously do) and don’t just watch your own team each week, then there’s nothing better than football debate.
Sydney have continued to grow to the point that they are worthy grand finalists, but I 100% stand by what I wrote in reply to you initially, and I can’t make my point any clearer. I do believe the field is far weaker. You don’t, but that’s okay. It has turned out that the Swans are exactly the right type of team for season 2012, as explained above, and credit to them. Everyone else dropped away enough, and they improved to such an extent that they can now be considered the second best team in it for 2012.
I agree that the Swans would be worthy premiers if they beat Hawthorn. All premiers are worthy, because whatever way you cut they’ve had to have had a good enough year to finish at the business end, and then been good enough to beat everyone else to win finals, including the last match of the year.
Hawthorn won in 2008 and were worthy premiers, but no one can tell me they were the better team than Geelong over the course of the season.
September 27th 2012 @ 1:51pm
TomC said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Cam, I enjoy your writing, and I appreciate that you’re prepared to wade into the comments section to stand up for your opinions. It’s also a lot more entertaining to find a writer who sticks by their views, when most football journalist seem to change their mind after every game.
But anyway, I say your logic is strained because you seem intent on explaining away every single one of the Swans’ admirable victories this season. Beating Essendon means nothing because the Bombers lost to the Demons. Beating Hawthorn in Tassie was an anomaly. They were outplayed for three quarters against Geelong. West Coast were tired after a close game eight days earlier. They ‘won the lottery’ with their finals draw.
As you say, you’re entitled to your opinions, and you might well believe that the Swans have improved from when you argued they’d only provide nuisance value in September. I personally don’t think they’ve gotten better since then. I still think the best footy I’ve seen them play was against Hawthorn in Tassie, and then for three quarters against Essendon a few weeks later.
Most of the rest of us knew we were looking at a potential premiership team back then. It’s a shame you can’t acknowledge that you underrated them at the time.
September 24th 2012 @ 3:35pm
Strummer Jones said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
That is a bit weak Cameron and a bit disappointing. You seem to be trying to justify your comment from mid-year that “we can confidently cross both teams (Sydney and Geelong) off that list (premiership chances in 2012).”
You might as well say that every team that wins each Grand Final every year “were in the right place at the right time”, whether that be playing well in September, or right place right time when say Hawthorn selected Buddy Franklin and Richmond got Tambling. Hawthorn got Buddy because Richmond messed up – at the right time for Hawthorn. I agree there are no “killer teams” this year like the Bombers in 2000 and the Saints in 2009, but making excuses like “West Coast has injuries” is annoying. Every flaming year there is between 1-5 teams that have injuries and therefore perform poorly or miss the 8 etc. Last year Geelong played West Coast in the prelim and it was a walk in the park (right place right time for Geelong). Pies played Hawks in an exhausting thriller (wrong place wrong time). Will you write an artilcle sayiong Geelong won the 2011 premiership becasue they were in the right place right time?
Every team, including the Bombers and Saints, took advantage from being in the right place at the right time. That is, the planets aligned; they had the talent, coach, injuries in other teams, draft selections correct, good draw, easy finals etc etc.
September 25th 2012 @ 2:52pm
Cameron Rose said | September 25th 2012 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
Plenty of examples of the butterfly effect there Strummer, but you’re basically writing nonsense.
I don’t try and justify anything other than the comment that I’m replying to. I was making the case that the competition isn’t as strong as it was last year, and West Coast was the only team where I used injuries as the reason – which it was.
Perhaps it was fortuitous for the Cats that they had the easy prelim last year and the Pies got the tough one. But they finished in the top two and therefore got the opportunity to take advantage of such fortune. Sydney finished third, and also go that advantage.
The Great Poohdini’s comments above quite neatly sum up my view actually (for the most part).
September 25th 2012 @ 3:07pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
Cameron – Completely agree the comp isn’t as strong this year. I wrote months ago that the inclusion of the expansion teams had weakened the quality of the finalists by denying the likes of Adelaide, Freo, Richmond, North even Carlton & Essendon the opportunity to top up with top draft talent over he last few years.
This advantaged teams with mature lists.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:02am
Redb said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Went to the Hawks v Crows at the G, great game and bloody loud.
The way to beat Hawthorn is to deprive them of the ball and space to move, they are simply too slick if you give them enough room and will hammer the Swans by 5 goals in half a quarter if given an inch.
The Crows played out of their skin with Tippett making a major impact up forward (with Tex). The Swans lack that two prong attack I think they might struggle to kick enough goals.
Hawks by 25.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:40am
Cameron Rose said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Good point there Redb, and that’s where the spaciousness of the MCG helps Hawthorn move the ball around. Although, it should also help the Swans with their ‘fast-break football’.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Redb said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Cam,
Would love to see some more Jetta fast breaks . Great stuff.
September 24th 2012 @ 5:29pm
Macca said | September 24th 2012 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
He might have to bounce the ball a bit more this week.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:20am
Sausages said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:20am | Report comment
Everything points to a great contest. Sydney will be in this one for quite a while.
Hawks have looked the goods all year though.
Hawks by 8 points.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:33am
Nostradamus said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
To show how tough things are in Sydney – This discussion was shut down elsewhere but the fairfax papers took delight in hijacking the AFL on Saturday with a “exploited kids making Sheerins cheaply article” (the NRL pays for good coverage while most of the AFL money goes to News Ltd).
http://www.smh.com.au/national/poor-children-made-to-stitch-sports-balls-in-sweatshops-20120921-26c0z.html
There wouldnt be a household in Australia that doesnt have many “exploited children” items in it. Not saying its right but these articles never mention the local average wage as a comparison…
September 26th 2012 @ 5:11am
Ironmonger said | September 26th 2012 @ 5:11am | Report comment
Has Andrew Dimetriou even commented on it? The bloke is a disgrace. The media management juggernaut would have swung into full steam to shut discussion down. Sounds like The Age were even too gutless too run it in their printed version. This sort of heavy handing of the press makes we concerned about what other stories are supressed by big corporations with big advertising budgets. This is why sites like The Roar are important