Want to fix Australian football? Concentrate on the A-League
By Mike Tuckerman, 24 Sep 2012 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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The wave of optimism sweeping through the A-League proves what a healthy appetite there is for football in this country.
But there are still solutions needed to fix some of the problems in our game.
Of those I would propose to help football in this country, it’s a promising sign that several have recently been explored.
One of my biggest gripes with the A-League in recent years has been the mismanagement of the marquee rule.
For too long it has been used as a loophole by clubs to sign high-earning players who bring next to nothing in terms of revenue-raising potential.
The fact television companies in Italy and Japan have shown an interest in broadcasting Sydney FC games after they signed Alessandro Del Piero demonstrates this doesn’t have to be the case.
In terms of revenue, the failure to separate the A-League from Football Federation Australia has had a negative effect on clubs.
Not only has it denied clubs the chance to generate their own revenue streams independent of the game’s governing body, it has also contributed to the negative characterisation of the A-League as a ‘plastic’ competition.
It’s hard to escape the portrayal of matches as ‘Franchise A versus Franchise B’ if clubs are controlled by a single parent body, so the sooner FFA relinquishes control of the A-League and/or clubs are allowed to develop organically, the better.
Part of that organic development should also involve a better relationship with fans.
It seems every marketing initiative revolves around capturing the ‘family market,’ yet the most loyal supporters – and those most likely to pump their hard-earned cash into clubs on a repeat basis and bring along friends for good measure – are the season-ticket holders and active supporters who show up rain, hail or shine.
By treating such fans as an afterthought we ignore one of the most compelling reasons to attend a football match – namely the unique atmosphere – yet ticket pricing and marketing almost always revolves around enticing more families through the gate.
That’s not to say making families feel welcome isn’t important, but it’s a welcome relief to see a renewed emphasis on selling memberships and building club cultures – as evidenced by the decision to play the first Sydney derby at Parramatta Stadium – instead of trotting out the familiar marketing mantra that ‘families come first’.
Indeed, the need to get as many fans through the gate as possible stems partly from the financially crippling stadium deals many clubs were lumbered with as part of centralised negotiations when the A-League kicked off – a problem which also requires some strategic solutions once stadium deals begin to expire.
Likewise, there’s no doubt the A-League still needs to gain a deeper foothold in the mainstream sporting market and a free-to-air television deal is crucial to that.
That’s to take nothing away from Fox Sports, who have practically subsidised the first seven years of the competition and done a superb job broadcasting it, but screening games on free-to-air provides an avenue to the league for the 70-odd percent of Australian households who don’t have pay TV.
Indeed, those who watch the game on TV are far more likely to attend matches and pay for merchandise than those who are completely disconnected from a competition they never see.
Speaking of disconnections, it’s plain to see there has been a failure to convert vast swathes of recreational players into A-League fans.
To that end the FFA and those involved in the game could do more to highlight the fact that the standard of the A-League is better than a lot of Australians think.
When the naysayers trot out the line about the best talent playing overseas, as they persistently do, it should be pointed out time and again that the situation is the same for all but two or three leagues around the world.
It doesn’t stop fans in Japan or the United States or Belgium or any other country from turning out to support their local team, so why should it stop Australians?
Not enough has been done to connect grassroots football to the A-League, and until young kids start turning out at training and talking about A-League games instead of the latest round of NRL action, that will remain a frustrating issue we should be doing more to address.
After all, the more generations we inspire to take up football and stick with it, the higher the standard of the A-League and the national team will be in years to come.
And while establishing a clear pathway between the three is easier said than done, the first step is to convince stay-away fans the A-League is a better competition than they give it credit for – via word of mouth, through positive marketing and by getting some of the action on free-to-air TV.
An FFA Cup competition might add to the A-League’s exposure but it’s unlikely to persuade rusted-on fans of lower league clubs to switch their allegiance.
What it could do, however, is extend the length of the season – particularly if major rounds are played before or after the regular A-League season – and help break up the monotony of the current fixture list.
That might in turn convince some more Socceroos to head to the A-League rather than the Gulf or Major League Soccer and thereby contribute to the domestic game.
Because much as the national team flies the flag for Australian football internationally, it’s the A-League which will prove key to the health of the game going forward.
Get the A-League right, and there’s no reason to think the round-ball game won’t flourish well into the future.
This is the first in a five-part Solutions series running this week on The Roar. Our football experts will be answering this question with their own take on the game: “If you were in charge of football in Australia, how would you fix the problems you see and make football a bigger professional code – and could this help the National Team? What are your Solutions to the big issues Australian football is facing?”
Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he has settled in Brisbane and has been a Roar columnist since December 2008. Follow Mike on twitter @Mike_Tuckerman

September 24th 2012 @ 7:33am
Tristan Rayner said | September 24th 2012 @ 7:33am | Report comment
Hi Roarers,
We hope you will enjoy this series which we hope will bring positive ideas and discussion about the game.
Mike has started today with a broad look across the sport in a terrific start to the series.
Adrian Musolino will on Tuesday focus on structure of grassroots to A-League and season format.
Vince Rugari will focus on the Socceroos on Wednesday as they push to qualify for the 2014 World Cup.
Tony Tannous will look at youth development on Thursday, and Davidde Corran will offer insight into ways to continue to boost fan engagement across football in Australia.
We welcome all ideas, discussion points and feedback.
Cheers,
Tristan (Roar Editor)
September 24th 2012 @ 7:35am
Johnno said | September 24th 2012 @ 7:35am | Report comment
The thing that I ask myself is where are the A-league clubs getting the money to sign these big name stars. Coz they ain’t cheap.
Some say Del Piero, Foz in his article said united old football vs New football the old NSL section of OZ football getting respect and acknowledgement again by the del piero signing and west sydney wanderers, and new found respect what the state league teams are doing for development. I still think sydney united, sydney olympic, sth melbourne have the backing and money to go it alone and get a A-league licence. And we still need to get a FFA cup going fans would love that still just a dream not reality.
Is it true that war is over i don’t know. But a lot more to do but all this money to sign marquees is a positive for a soccer.
And on a side note i sometimes wonder if the sport is football should we change the name of the socceroos to footballroos or another name eg like matildas .
September 24th 2012 @ 8:44am
Ben G said | September 24th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
It’s pretty well known that Sydney FC have a billionaire owner, so the source of the money isn’t really a mystery.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:36am
wisey_9 said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
changing the name of our most recognizable brand (the Socceroos) is a horrible idea.
for me, the whole calling it “soccer” or “football” is a non-issue for me. as long as you support the game, call it whatever you like…
September 24th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Kasey said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
both words Soccer and Football are in my vocab. I can interchange between them depending upon my company. I’m yet to be in a situation where someone is confused as to which sport I’m talking about.
I really don’t give 2 hoots what the sport is called. I won’t get riled up when the Age changes every ‘football’ to ‘ Soccer if it grabs a SMH article. If pushed I would say I prefer football because that is the proper name for the sport.
The fact that it riles up the bully-boy egg-ballers in this country who are too used to pushing lil old soccer around and getting their way is just a childish little bonus.
September 24th 2012 @ 1:50pm
c said | September 24th 2012 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
we are football
September 24th 2012 @ 3:26pm
Melange said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:26pm | Report comment
I’m beyond this debate too. This is my favourite sport, I grew up with it and I’ve always called it soccer, I don’t even know why. I guess if I always had to nominate between the two I prefer soccer because that is the proper name for the sport
And now I have some pretty good back up with ADP referring to it as soccer on numerous occassions during his Foxsports interview.
On the Socceroos, while it’s not a major issue, I wouldn’t mind a change as I always found it too gimmicky. Perhaps a survey of what the next gen of supporters thought would help. It would help give the sport to give young’ns a bit more ownership around the team and could be done at a lull in the international season and keep focus on the national team. Could also set it up as something done through primary schools and increase the sports profile amongst all social/sports demographics.
September 24th 2012 @ 3:34pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
“This is my favourite sport, I grew up with it and I’ve always called it soccer”
It’s also my favourite sport, I grew up with it & was forced to call it soccer. Now I call it football because that’s the name of the sport.
The fact that it seems to annoy Carry Ball supporters, is just a bonus for me.
What I’m really enjoying is slowly taking over the term “Australian football”, when describing the football landscape in Australia.
For me our National Team is simply AUS NT or the Australian National Team.
Our junior teams are: AUS NT u17/u20/23
Our women’s team is AUS WNT.
September 24th 2012 @ 3:36pm
Tristan Rayner said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
Your acronyms drive me crazy, Fussball.
September 24th 2012 @ 3:42pm
TC said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
Fussball
Australian Football has no greater friend than you and Craig Foster.
TC
September 24th 2012 @ 3:51pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
Come on Tristan … by now should have the 208 country codes ingrained in your memory
http://www.footballsquads.co.uk/features/codes1.htm
And, once you’ve done that .. you then have 48 FIFA-approved acronyms to graduate to “FIFA expert”:
http://www.all-acronyms.com/tag/fifa
September 24th 2012 @ 10:06pm
Tristan Rayner said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:06pm | Report comment
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Fussball!
Cheers.
September 24th 2012 @ 4:07pm
mahony said | September 24th 2012 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
So Sydney FC have already ordered their 2nd batcvh of 15,000 Delpiero shirts, but my count, if they sell these they will be half way to paying his salary this year….
September 24th 2012 @ 4:32pm
MV Dave said | September 24th 2012 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
Sold plenty of extra memberships also, perhaps 3 -4,000 on top of what they would normally sell, so there is another $600-800,000 per year. Not sure how much the club pockets for the sale of jerseys. Hearing that shirt sponsor Webjet would be paying more for that plus SFC now have a back of shirt sponsor so plenty of $ coming in its seems. Geez if they keep this up then one day they might be half as big as MV!!!
September 24th 2012 @ 4:40pm
Futbanous said | September 24th 2012 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
And both maybe half as good as the Roar on the park one day.
September 24th 2012 @ 4:47pm
Midfielder said | September 24th 2012 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Fut
That’s cruel
September 24th 2012 @ 5:22pm
Futbanous said | September 24th 2012 @ 5:22pm | Report comment
Memories bite deep for CCM fans,although you did beat us in that important pre season match yesterday.
Now thats cruel.
September 24th 2012 @ 6:17pm
Midfielder said | September 24th 2012 @ 6:17pm | Report comment
New roar marque …. http://i.imgur.com/N0Rup.gif
September 25th 2012 @ 7:36am
Futbanous said | September 25th 2012 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Definitely big enough for a marquee(tent).
September 25th 2012 @ 1:55pm
mahony said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Don;t be silly dave – they will never be that big!
September 24th 2012 @ 7:57am
MV Dave said | September 24th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Issues that need to be addressed (some are currently being addressed) over the next few years in no particular order;
The length of the season is too short (minimum 33 game HAL season plus Cup)
Football on FTA TV
HAL clubs to set up academies for youth development with increase in the number of coaches gaining higher level accreditation
12 team competition and eventually FFA Cup
State/ regional based 2nd tier competition
Improve membership numbers/club community engagement
Eventually clubs owning suitable venues to play out of (long term)
September 24th 2012 @ 9:49am
pete4 said | September 24th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
MV Dave – I agree with most of what you have said however I’m not sure we can play more than the 27 rounds plus finals in the medium term as the condition of stadium surfaces become a huge problem for us when the rugby codes begin (and that nearly covers all venues).
I also think a 12 team competition is the right number (Canberra, Wollongong, Geelong, Tasmania or possibly another NZ side should be considered) but if we look at the lessons learnt from Townsville and Gold Coast we can’t expand again until we have a TV deal which underpins it.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:50am
AndyRoo said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Long term I would love a 16 team 30 round competition + finals + cup competition…. and that gave enough times for teams to play in pre season cups.
The K league had that for a long time and only just changed it as they introduce promotion and relegation.
If anything it was too many games for those teams involved in the ACL but the talk of 33 games matches up with the AFC ACL wishlist.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:11am
MV Dave said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
Agreed re the venues…but solutions need to be, and l believe can be found. It will take time and in the interim it may mean some venues don’t provide an ideal surface but…it is better than having a 6 month off season. Can MV and MH play at AAMI for 1-2 months during Rugby season…l say yes. Same for SFC and WSW at Allianz and Parramatta…likewise NJ and CCM at their grounds. TBH l think BR need a smaller venue in the long term to fix some of their issues. PG and AU should be ok with their venues.
As with the Japanese Football Federation the FFA need long term goals with a fully self sustainable HAL the key and each team playing at a suitable rectangular stadium with minimum 10,000 members/ ave attendance. It may take a decade or more but the foundations are in place…it just needs the strategic planning and a controlling body that is willing to make the hard decisions and see it through.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:34pm
nordster said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Just on stadiums. I’d wonder if placing any minimums on clubs is the very opposite of self sustaining. Whether it be stadia or wages, self sustaining means each club needs to be able to define the parameters that suit them individually. Having a minimum benchmark sounds wonderful, in reality it isnt in the same vocab as ‘sustainable’. (Sorry i just find that word gets overused, especially in relation to such a keynesian, centrally managed league
)
September 25th 2012 @ 8:18am
cliffclavin said | September 25th 2012 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Re the surface,
could we see artificial surfaces come in – at least in the football/RL/RU stadiums – ones that can handle the rain or many boots running on them?
September 25th 2012 @ 8:45am
Kasey said | September 25th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
I’m not sure on artificial surfaces…on BigSoccer, the yanks seem to complain about them a heck of a lot. In fact IMO its their 2nd biggest bugbear, behind the usual whining about how ‘sawker’ isn’t like Europe because there isn’t any promotion/relegation in MLS/NASL.(sound familiar?)
The lack of suitable facilities for MLS in the USA drove the frenetic building schedule of SSS over the last ten years. the majority of which are turf fields IIRC.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:19am
Griffo said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Artificial turf seems to have come a long way but still has stigma attached to it.
All the 5-a-side fields going down these days are artificial and I think community clubs that can lay down the artificial turf will get benefits of a better playing surface, less maintenance and less impact from weather than grass. I know a local club that layed down new grass and drainage a few years ago to increase their chances of playing on it through the season but had no benefit in this regard.
Could future football stadiums go artificial? Hard to say, but youth learning the pass and move on artificial turf could on benefit.
Grass is preferred but some stadiums in South Africa had some artificial component to their turf during the world cup, and FIFA has a ‘one star’ and ‘two star’ ratings for artificial turf.
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/marketing/qualityprogramme/news/newsid=1659243/index.html
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/pitchequip/fqc_football_turf_folder_342.pdf
September 25th 2012 @ 1:57pm
mahony said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
I went to AAMI Park two days ago to the intra club match. The ability for that surface to recover from a major rugby league final 24 hours earlier with very, very few signs of damage or signage is remarkable. It can be done as the turf techology improves.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:20am
Midfielder said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
MV
From the movie … Where’s the money…
September 24th 2012 @ 10:49am
MV Dave said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Mid
It will take time…decade or more but you gotta have plans. The return of domestic football on FTA and the next TV deal could be the tipping points to speed up the evolution of HAL.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:56am
Midfielder said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
MV
Agree I posted something about half an hour ago … had a web link in it and has not come up … I say similar things.. but you cannot in expanding the league send it broke or some clubs… our league is to young to have more clubs fall over…
September 24th 2012 @ 11:16am
MV Dave said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Agreed and expansion wouldn’t occur unless the TV deal covers the major expenses ie salary cap and the prospective club has iron clad financial backing and strong community support. I don’t see any new clubs being added in the next 5 years minimum.
September 25th 2012 @ 12:25pm
phutbol said | September 25th 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
Maybe the solution is to compress the 33 game season into the same window between eggball off-season, but have the preliminaryu rounds of the FFA cup played either at the end of the regular season or before it for say 4-6 weeks at smaller venues unaffected by the ongoing seasons of other codes. At the larger state league home grounds for instance…
September 24th 2012 @ 8:51am
Futbanous said | September 24th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Always room for discussion regarding improvement in the game whether its here or overseas.
Whilst I dont advocate blindly following the path of the MLS,having read several articles recently about how & why its where its at today,to ignore it is sheer folly.
Having been brought up on First Division English Football & then in Australia following the game both locally & globally,theres no doubt that what is seen on the park is the key to taking football in Australia out of the dark.
Whilst I agree with most of the sentiment of this article,Australia cant just assume that it can follow in the footsteps of traditional established football nations.
Having been brought up in one & then living here , the way football has been followed in Australia has to be considered in a new league like the A-League.
What is meant by that?
Simply that local football has taken second stage to overseas historically. I relate this to personal experience over the last 40 years( Opposite to where I grew up & the same as other sports in Australia).Perhaps the first generation where the Australian born have played the game in considerable numbers.
WIthout prattling on forever( I could)with details of this difference, lets get to Mikes points in particular the marquee player. Lyall Gorman was very wrong then in declaring that WSW for instance was not about a marquee player.
Whilst nobody can argue that building from a community/grassroots base is common sense ,too imagine that this is all thats needed to capture the attention of the majority of football fans(particularly in a football savvy area like Western Sydney) is naive at best.
Overseas has been where the vast majority of Australians have looked for their quality football fix in the last 30 years or so,we need to bring a bit of that to Australia to get them off their bums & into the stadium.
The key is(once the ADPetc honey jar gets them in) is to have improved the standard of football to such a point that ADPetc is the icing,not the cake. That doesnt mean that once ADPetc departs you leave the honey jar empty you have to keep ordering them in. One to replace the other.
At what point do you stop doing this(ordering Honey jars)?. IMO given the historical nature of following football in Australia,you don’t.
Most of the other points made here I find hard to disagree with. Fans are not just families its about building a club culture & often those with the largest disposable income are young singles.
Recreational players in my experience all tied up with the overseas following having coached kids wearing ManU & Brazil shirts & talking about Overseas football(& NRL etc as mentioned by Mike)
TV no brainer money to grow but part of that growth is the sport being exposed to as many Australians as possible via FTA.
So overall this article is pretty much spot on National teams ebb & flow,but the Domestic league is the bread & butter,that sustains any sport.
September 25th 2012 @ 12:21pm
phutbol said | September 25th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Cant help but think LG’s stance on the marquee player for WSW was originally intended to deflect pressure from FFA to sign a big name after the ADP signing ie, the cynic in me says it was more about (not spending) the money than building a community based club without the need for a marquee….
September 24th 2012 @ 9:28am
nordster said | September 24th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
You’re right about the need to cut the cord at some point. While totally appreciating the need for ffa to have a protective structure around the clubs initially, they do need to take it in a more self determining direction, from the clubs perspective.
The main thing getting in the way is the desire to try and run and even try and equalise the competition centrally. This is a trend in not only aussie sport but even general economic ideology. So i’d be labelling the league bosses as keynesian even if they dont acknowledge it!
To get around this they’d need to embrace the idea that the league can have different types of clubs and levels of support or funding. So this means a variery of types of clubs….those with the ambition and means to be super clubs, some that are aiming for that or others accepting reality and living more to their means. This is closer to the self sustaining or sustainable business model some folks point to the desire for. And more of a pure sporting competition, rather than the ‘even competition’ australia is more accustomed to (even if football isnt).
Any centrally planned a-league is the opposite of this, and only remains viable with continual cross subsidy and management from league level. Fine for the first ten years and it has served a good establishing purpose. Is this the league people want long term though?
A more self determining future for the clubs is more appealing to me. Both for the top level clubs competing in Asia, through to the regional areas one day looking to promotion to aleague division 1.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:31am
Futbanous said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Spot on nordster.
If we can relate this to overseas & in particular what I know England all clubs aren’t created equal. History tells us so.
Over a period of 100+ years the wheat gets sorted from the chaff. Manchester,Liverppool the big London clubs are what they are because of the market they operate in. So is Blackburn, Bolton, Scunthorpe & so on . So generally the cities with the bigger populations(markets) are the super clubs,with rest on a sliding scale according to once again population & administrative efficiency,the second determining that clubs like Leeds Sheffield Wed/United Notts Forest can languish further down the food chain somewhat according to management.
So to expect SFC or MV to be the same as CCM is to me a ludicrous long term concept. We may be seeing, with the recruiting of ADP & the centre of excellence at Gosford the beginnings of the historical approach both clubs are taking towards establishing themselves as players in the A-League. ADP would be wasted in Gosford,because once again population. The smaller the population the smaller the group that ADP would appeal to(ie Fans of Italian background,Eurofans generally).
Although LIKe ManU I would still feel that SFC would pump resources into developing youth as well as the big marquee.
Horses for courses.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:58am
AndyRoo said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
I think the current system is a good mix. There is a cap that is set a little high (given all the clubs bottom lines) which is just enough to keep the clubs ambitious but without letting a billionaire ruin the competition.
There are so many exemptions if a club really wants to drop some cash they can. Last year the Roar spent roughly 2.2m on players compared to Victory who spent greater than 4m.
Heart are going to be the most interesting club for me. They have a really good model but they look set for a tough season on the park and are very much in Victory’s shadow PR wise (Kewell last year and Ange this year).
If they can somehow make it work (hopefully this new TV deal helps) then that is a good blue print for future clubs which are realistically not going to be as big as SFC, MV, Glory, Brisbane or WSW. We have run out of huge population centres and teams from Nth Qld, Gold Coast, Canberra, Tasmania, Wollongong and the like are going to be smaller.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:48am
Nathan of Perth said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
Makes you wonder what the hell the point of salary caps and squad caps really are when teams can still legally spend double or more that of other teams.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:45pm
nordster said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
And they can and do always find ways around the salary cap.
I think ours is a more watered down version. The more its eroded the closer it is to going.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:02am
nordster said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Yep its the opposite of the local socialist sporting cartel though unfortuately.
The point on CCM is a good one. Being a development style league like ours, i think that is a natural counter balance to the prospect of ending up a ‘two team league’. Smart clubs can be successful even from lesser populated areas. Developing the facilities early on is so important for regional teams who want to build something real long term. Being able to sell on can then regenerate the whole process. All the more reason to not force them to spend on wages, if they would prefer to invest elsewhere.
I dont worry so much about billionaires ruining the competition. We have become to used to in oz sporting leagues deciding what the competition is …an attempt to contrive an ‘even competition’ or level playing field also ruins it in a sense, at least on sporting terms.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
“Any centrally planned a-league is the opposite of this, and only remains viable with continual cross subsidy and management from league level. Fine for the first ten years and it has served a good establishing purpose. Is this the league people want long term though?”
Given the other option is two viable clubs and the rest bouncing into and out of insolvency as their owners get bored, go broke, or otherwise stop putting money in, yes, yes I do think the league as a whole can and should negotiate the TV contracts and then centrally share out the money.
Football socialism works.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:44pm
nordster said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Ian ya love those two team caricatures, bro. Negotiating a central tv deal is done in all sorts of leagues. Nothing wrong with that. But when football socialism extends to having to prop up clubs with special operating grants or subsidy or whatever …its the sporting equivalent of quantitative easing, buying bonds etc ..printing money. The last i checked the ffa doesn’t have its own central bank to print its way out of it. Only some willing wealthy people to fill a similar role. And it will be Ongoing for as long as they are looking to pursue the centralised model. Just look at afl and nrl…how many of their clubs would have folded without it?
Well if we want those business people involved in clubs long term, the least we can do is give them a league where they are more free to set the club up as they need to. If that involves taking australia to the football big time in asian club football, or running a club more as a bare bones, sustainable oufit …the whole point is allow individual clubs to define how they operate more. Now we are too far down to the centrally planned end of the scale. And its the opposite of sustainable.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:56pm
Ian Whitchurch said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
Nordster,
Central distribution of TV money is not done in Italy, nor Spain.
In fact, I’d argue that, via the Champions League, it is done nowhere in Europe.
Regarding “having to prop up clubs with special operating grants or subsidy or whatever” and so on, I see your problem. You’re a libertarian, and that means you arent good with observed reality.
An example of this is “Just look at afl and nrl…how many of their clubs would have folded without it?” … the correct answer is of course “And thats the entire point”.
In case you hadnt noticed, the drama over Gold Coast, North Queensland didnt do the A-League any good at all.
Again, I see the important thing as to whether the code as a whole prospers, and that means being relentlessly socialist.
As further examples, I’d give you the relative rise of American football and American association football, which are relentlessly socialist, and the relative decline of baseball, which isnt.
September 24th 2012 @ 1:16pm
nordster said | September 24th 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
For football is actually isnt about “the code” prospering, its about australia or each individual club doing well in football. So i’d argue the a-league doesnt need to worry about competing with afl and nrl, and trying to create what they have. Which works for them, great. Not for football imo.
The centralised subsidy actually becomes more prevalent in socialist football. Clubs are expected to maintain minimum wage and operating standards. For areas where this is not sustainable, its propped up by subsidies …or alas, Your Team Gets Re-located. I’d rather have a smaller team than a departed one myself.
Not touching your libertarian comment….haha…happy to let history judge that one…we may be shown to be more in touch with reality in the long run. Assuming u are talking about economies outside of football
September 24th 2012 @ 9:46am
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Agree on the marquee player comments. Clubs haven’t really utilised it that effectively. It’s obviously a huge risk to pay top dollar for one player, especially when the league hasn’t exactly been flush with cash, but the benefits of getting the right player were massive. Even as a SFC fan I was critical of signing Carle as the marquee player simply because he doesn’t really meet the criteria. A marquee player either has to be:
1) Significantly better than the vast majority of other players or
2) of high enough profile to bring in fans and media interest
Obviously it would be great if they could do both. ADP has easily met the second criteria and it will be interesting to see if he meet the first as well.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:10am
Midfielder said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Mike & the Roar
Clap clap clap .. will add heaps more latter … but love the idea… of a week of positive articles …
Mike could not agree more that the A-League is were the future of football is..
September 24th 2012 @ 10:22am
Ballymore said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
“It seems every marketing initiative revolves around capturing the ‘family market,’ yet the most loyal supporters – and those most likely to pump their hard-earned cash into clubs on a repeat basis and bring along friends for good measure – are the season-ticket holders and active supporters who show up rain, hail or shine.”
Excellent point, which makes BRFC’s treatment of the River City Crew (RCC) even worse.
September 24th 2012 @ 10:38am
Ian said | September 24th 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
hasn’t the river city crew issue been resolved now? they will be sitting in section 326 i think in the corner down caxton st end. didn’t both parties agree with that solution and it was amicable?
i’m not saying the lead up to the event was right, as my family sat down the southern end the last couple of season usually a couple of sections away from the RCC and i never saw any issue with them.
though i’m not sure how it will work with the RCC and The Den both at the same end. hopefully they get along amicably.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:11am
nordster said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
The family market appeal is nice …which is a problem in itself. What young person wants a “nice” night out at the football. Clubs in general need to be careful not to develop a rep as a wet blanket or wet nanna rug experience. Brisbane seem to be learning from other clubs overreactions perhaps
September 24th 2012 @ 11:04am
whiskeymac said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
the focus of the game had to eventually switch from the NT, which was the great drawcard then (and likely still is but seems a bit less of a golden goose compared to 2006-10) to a stronger HAL. I think the FFA is much more likely to grow or sustain a game with supporters coming up from the HAL first and foremost rather than flowing from the NT down. The national comp is the foundation and the NT the pinnacle, as it is in most countries, and the FFA took the focus away prematurely from its local base. This is now being addressed.
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Marquee-ism is, and has been, divisive. The fact Ballack and Del Piero re available at the same time is a massive bonus but up until now who was there who couldve done the same. Henry? Raul? Owen? Very good players. Ii dont think sales to Spain, France or England would have flowed from these guys. ADP and Ono (and Miura prior) are rareties in maintaining a fan interest when they go overseas.
September 24th 2012 @ 11:06am
Realfootball said | September 24th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
The DT is today reporting a new TV deal of $175 million – $35 million per year. This seems to me very disappointing. I’m not familiar with the respective tv ratings, but it seems absurd to suggest that the A-League and the Roos are worth less than one fifith of the value of NRL.
Surely NRL ratings can’t be five times greater than A-League ratings? Does someone have this information?
September 24th 2012 @ 12:29pm
Kasey said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
SBS head honcho:
Michael Ebeid @michaelebeid
I normally don’t comment on speculation, but this article is so wrong on many levels. @Val61 – you need new sources! http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/soccer/new-tv-deal-for-ffa-may-be-worth-175m/story-fndb5nmd-1226479844270 …
As is standard proceedure for football fans in this country…ignore 90% of what is read in a News Limited newspaper and wait for the official FFA press release.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:31pm
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
NRL games on Fox are generally between 200 and 400k. As a comparison the A-League GF got 213k, the prelim got 109k and the other finals were between 50 and 75k. Keep in mind that the NRL deal includes a lot of $$$ from Channel 9 while the A-League doesn’t get a lot from FTA because it has never been on FTA before so has no track record. Many Socceroos matches aren’t included as the AFC sold the rights of AFC national matches. The FFA apparently gets about $1mil for every Socceroos game (I think friendlies aren’t included.)
Also don’t forget that the NRL has 8 games a week while the A-League only has 5. Over the course of the season that makes quite a difference.
They probably could have received slightly more if it went exclusively to Foxtel (maybe around $200m or so?) but a small decrease in cash is worth the additional FTA exposure. It’s a bit more than double the last deal and includes FTA exposure so I think the FFA have done pretty well. This is of course, assuming that the report is actually true.
September 24th 2012 @ 12:55pm
ZIggy said | September 24th 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
Not to mention that due to the free-flowing nature of football, there’s not as much advertising space to sell etc.
Rugby League is full of convenient breaks to pump full of adds!
September 24th 2012 @ 1:15pm
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
A good point (though the NRL has it’s own issues with ads when compared to the AFL.) Where do you put an ad during play? There’s no natural gap that’s long enough. Ads during half-time aren’t the same as it’s most people will walk away or switch to something else when they come on. The only place would be after a goal but, based on last season, this would only mean 2.7 ads per game
September 24th 2012 @ 1:27pm
Realfootball said | September 24th 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Thanks Matt. Puts it into a much clearer perspective.
Agree wholeheartedly on the importance of FTA.
September 24th 2012 @ 1:33pm
Midfielder said | September 24th 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
On the ad thing … IMO those 10 second net ads could be run at goal kicks and corner kicks without to much pain…. just a tho…
September 24th 2012 @ 1:52pm
Matt F said | September 24th 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
It’s certainly an option they could consider. However the A-League first needs to prove itself on FTA before it can demand big money. If it does well on SBS (if it even ends up on SBS) then it will be in a good position for the next TV deal. At the moment though it’s unproven at FTA level so doesn’t have much bargaining power
September 24th 2012 @ 2:26pm
Rob Gremio said | September 24th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Midfielder, I agree with a lot of what you say here, but i really don’t think that is the solution. Rather, take what they do in Brazil as a guide:
Throughout the game, advertisers’ logos pop up in the corners of the screen, or on the bottom of the screen, with a ticker, like TV news covereage, with the company logo and a brief blurb about how awesome their product is. Doing so does not interrupt the game, except for a bit of visual pollution, and the advertisers get their ads in – probably more frequently than they would via a 10 second spot.
Also, Mid, what happens if the corner is taken quickly, there is an altercation in the box at the corner, etc etc. We miss out on part of the drama potentially.
Unless I don’t understand what a “net ad” is…
September 24th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Midfielder said | September 24th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Rob
I take your point on the short corner but that can be played and the five or so seconds lost could be caught up somewhere else…
But I do like the idea of the ads popping up…
Net ads on youtube and social media sites are often 10 to 15 seconds or less … most goal kicks and corners there is 10 seconds of no play…