Watson a worthy winner, but Ablett still the best
By Vince Rugari, 25 Sep 2012 Vince Rugari is a Roar Expert
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Another Brownlow medal count has been and gone, and you would be hard pressed to find anyone too upset with the way this one panned out. Essendon’s Jobe Watson is a deserving winner.
With 30 votes, the son of a gun last night became the first player from a team outside the top eight to claim the award since Shane Crawford did for Hawthorn back in 1999.
That little slice of history was up for grabs on Australian football’s night of nights, with Watson, Gold Coast skipper Gary Ablett and Richmond star Trent Cotchin sharing joint favouritism for the medal, and deservedly so.
Cotchin, who polled so well in just his fifth AFL season, will be there or thereabouts a few more times in his career, you would expect.
His time will come. But this night was Watson’s, and it capped off a remarkable rise for a player that could so easily have found himself in the AFL wasteland at the end of the 2007 season.
That was his fifth year in the system. Some players, like Cotchin and Ablett, just have it. Some, like Watson, even accounting for his reasonable lineage, have to work hard for it.
Fate also plays a part – if Kevin Sheedy had stayed on at Windy Hill and had his way, Watson would have been traded or cast aside, and who knows what would he would have made of himself in that instance.
Instead, he is a Brownlow medalist – and when pulled up on stage by the master of ceremonies, Bruce McAvaney, he carried himself like one too. It’s hard not to like him.
In this age of Dane Swan and ‘yeah nah, good fannks’ footballers, it’s refreshing to hear someone so down to earth and so well spoken.
Watson was helped to his first Brownlow by the nature of the voting system, and the fact that he is far and away Essendon’s best player.
Accounting for nearly half of your team’s votes is quite a feat, which is what he did with 30 of 63.
However, Ablett one-upped him there, with 24 of Gold Coast’s 43 votes reflecting just how often he played the lone fiddle for the Suns in 2012 – at least for the first half of the year.
Anyone who thought Ablett perhaps wasn’t deserving of so much love from the umpires clearly didn’t watch the Suns too often this season.
It takes a certain kind of player to stand up in a flogging, and five best-on-grounds in amongst a horror start to the year for Gold Coast speak for themselves.
Ablett remains the most damaging player in the game, and one of the all-time greats.
You could mount a reasonable case that he actually had a better season than Watson – his Leigh Matthews Trophy win will back you up.
Here, though, he was not awarded votes in crucial games. The predicted late-season surge never really eventuated, and through no fault of his own.
The umpires decided Aaron Hall and Brandon Matera were better in Gold Coast’s Round 20 win over GWS, despite three match-turning goals and seven inside 50s from the son of God.
A week later, his 43-disposal, eight-tackle, two-goal showing against Hawthorn wasn’t even seen as voteworthy. Instead, he was overtaken by Scott Thompson, Dane Swan, Cotchin and Sam Mitchell. Such is the Brownlow.
The difference for Ablett was purely that his team didn’t win enough games – and when they did, he wasn’t at his best.
One or two more wins for the Suns and the little master almost certainly would have gone home with Charlie around his neck. You could tell how much he wanted it, too.
That grin of disappointment on his face we saw late in the count hasn’t been seen since 2008. It’s not because he reads his own mail – you’d forgive him if he did though, because it would be riveting – it’s because he’s a competitive beast by nature.
There’s barely any room in his own personal trophy cabinet as it is – there’s already a Brownlow, four AFLPA MVP awards, four club champion trophies, six All-Australian nominations and two premiership medals. And yet he wants more.
It is that champion’s mentality that has helped him cement his position as by far the best player in the AFL.
It’s hard to imagine any other player in his shoes on the tourist strip standing out so brightly, so freakishly, and so consistently.
This was the sixth consecutive time Ablett has polled more than 20 votes in a season, and you suspect it won’t be the last.
Vince Rugari is an Adelaide-born journalist who cut his teeth on the sporting graveyard that is the Gold Coast. He fancies the round ball and the Sherrin, and used to be a handy leg-spin bowler before injury curtailed a baggy green push. He is a Port Adelaide fan by birth, as painful as that has been recently. He's now sports editor of The Area News in Griffith, NSW.
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September 25th 2012 @ 4:25am
Ironmonger said | September 25th 2012 @ 4:25am | Report comment
Well done Jobe. Nice guy to boot. I fell asleep during the coverage. Soooo many ads, and I find it painful to watch the young kids knocking back their “bogan bollies” and their largely ignored side-pieces not knowing whether to laugh or emit emotions when the camera swings their way.
Glad Josh Kennedy didn’t win as it is an albatross for grand finalists…
September 25th 2012 @ 8:06am
Redb said | September 25th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
Congrats to Jobe Watson, I really thought the last half of Essendon’s season would cruel his chances and he’d end up top 3. Great bloke, club man and footballer.
Deserves every accolade.
It’s a little churlish for the author to talk about another player as the best, no for 2012, Jobe Watson is the fairest and best in the AFL. He has the medal to prove it.
September 25th 2012 @ 9:10am
hawker said | September 25th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Shane Woewodin mk II
September 25th 2012 @ 9:30am
Stumpy said | September 25th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
hawker that would have to be close to the dumbest statement I’ve ever seen posted on here.
Grow up
Congratulations Jobe well deserved win last night like all the accolades you’ve received this year.
September 25th 2012 @ 1:25pm
Jay said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
+1
September 25th 2012 @ 6:06pm
amazonfan said | September 25th 2012 @ 6:06pm | Report comment
People are often criticizing Woewodin, but it shouldn’t be forgotten that he also won a club best & fairest in a Grand Final side. I don’t think he entirely deserved the Brownlow, however I do think he had an amazing year.
September 25th 2012 @ 9:21am
Hawks9108 said | September 25th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
congrats to Watson…well deserved, great to see cotchin and mitchell poll well also…3 very good players there.
Ablett getting 3 votes in games where the side is beaten by 100 points is a joke….obviously the umpires only look at the stats sheets when they do the votes, not the impact that the player has on the game.
September 25th 2012 @ 9:54am
Dingo said | September 25th 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
The medal isn’t awarded for having the most impact on the game, though is it? It is for the fairest and best. If a player is as good as Ablett why shouldn’t he get three votes if he is the fairest and best, even if his team does get thrashed?
Congratulations to Jobe, I didn’t see many Essendon games this year but whenever I did he was very impressive.
September 25th 2012 @ 9:56am
Breezy said | September 25th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
It’s not a joke that Ablett polled in those games. Maybe if he wasn’t playing then they would have lost by 150 points. Ablett couldn’t have done anymore to impact those games where they were thrashed.
To Hawker, pull your head in, Watson is a deserved Brownlow winner and you know it.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:06am
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
I’m with you Hawks9108, Ablett is a great player but I can’t see how you can get 3 votes when your side get’s smashed by that much. Also it is clear that the opposition rarely tagged Ablett this year, corrctly thinking they can get better results locking down on someone else.
The best player on the ground impacts the result, Ablett rarely did. I could see him getting the occasional 3 vote in a badly beaten team but not that many.
Well done to Jobe Watson though, great effort from a great person. I hope all the bombers fans who bagged him for all those years apologise now.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:41am
langou said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Whether or not someone is tagged shouldn’t be taken into consideration by the umpires
September 25th 2012 @ 10:51am
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Getting 30 possessions with a tagger hanging off you is worth a lot more to your side than getting 40 while being allowed to free wheel and your direct opponent gets 35.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:06am
kick to kick said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Actually by tradition the umpires do not see stats sheets before asigning Brownlow votes. This is what makes the Browlow a more interesting award than the Players MVP or the Coaches awards – its more subjective but more about influence than quantity of possessions.
Last year grand final umpire Shaun Ryan confirmed this to the Sun Herald
“Then at the end of the game we don’t have any stats or anything and it’s the last thing we do, when just the field umpires are there.”
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But why wouldn’t they use stats if they are available?
“We never have and so why change it, but also sometimes stats can be a bit misleading. It might show a guy has 40 touches. But what influence has he had on the game? It’s something we put a lot of effort in and we try to get it as right as we can.”
Umpires were responding to the undoubted standout quality of Ablett’s play.
Of course the disadvanatge of umpires making subjective calls about influence is that the umpires’ job is to watch the contest and because the ball spends more time in midfield contest than anywhere else they tend to see and appreciate the influence of midfielders above others.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:32am
TC said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
k2k
That’s very true about umps not seeing stats sheets, and has both pros and cons.
There is one celebrated story from the days when there was only one ump, and the field ump one day was told that Hudson or McKenna had just kicked a lazy dozen goals, and the ump responded: really?! I thought he only got 2 or 3!
TC
September 25th 2012 @ 10:35am
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:35am | Report comment
You could also bring up Williams getting 43 possessions back in 93 when no one was getting close to that figure and missing a vote all together.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:33am
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
“Browlow a more interesting award than the Players MVP or the Coaches awards – its more subjective but more about influence than quantity of possessions.” I would say it is almost the exact opposite, especially from the coaches award. Coaches vote for the bloke who did the job they were asked to or the opposition player they felt hurt them the most.
Umpires may not see the stats sheet but it is clear they are influenced more by stats.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:40am
langou said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
How can they be influenced by stats if they don’t see them? For mine Ablett is an absolute champion and if he played better than anyone from the winning side he derserves the votes. Being able to continually win the ball when your team is getting thumped is testimate to what a great player he is.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:50am
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
“How can they be influenced by stats if they don’t see them?” Easily they see him get the ball a lot but pay no heed to whether he has impacted the game.
Ablett get’s the maximum personal benefit out of every possession, he gives it off and get’s it back. He also runs past the bloke who has earned a free kick.
I am not saying he isn’t a great player but when his team get’s done by 100 plus points there you can’t tell me there wasn’t at elast one player who impacted the game more than he did!
September 25th 2012 @ 1:46pm
hawker said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
^^ this, another classic example R17 hawthorn belt by collingwood by 47 ( flattering given a few junk time collingwood goals in the last qtr) Swan gets 49 possessions of which 80% are give and go handballs in the backline and grubber kicks out of packs ( a lot of which are turnovers that result in hawthorn goals) and he gets 2 votes. He would’ve lucky to be in the top 15 influential players on the ground.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:28am
Brian said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
As we all know the best players don’t win the Brownlow – Matthews, Ablett Snr, Carey. Not much doubt Ablett is a better player
September 25th 2012 @ 10:31am
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Yet Ablett Jnr has one!
September 25th 2012 @ 1:08pm
amazonfan said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
For every Carey, Matthews, and Ablett Sr who doesn’t win the Brownlow, there’s a Skilton, Reynolds & Bunton who does. So it’s not true that the best players don’t win the Brownlow.
September 25th 2012 @ 1:12pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
True – But if the best player isn’t a midfielder he doesn’t have a hope.
September 25th 2012 @ 1:27pm
amazonfan said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
It’s the same with almost all awards though as midfielders tend to dominate awards these days. The last non-midfielder to win the Leigh Matthews Trophy, for example, was Riewoldt in 2004. Since then, Cousins, Ablett (four times), Judd (twice) and Swan won.
September 25th 2012 @ 1:41pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
That is true but it doesn’t make it right.
At least the AFL MVP and the coaches award (Tredrea 04 & Hall 05) have some recent history of not awarding a midfielder, since Scott Wynd in 1992 the only Goodes could be called “not a midifelder” and that is doubtful given he plays a variety of roles.
September 25th 2012 @ 3:07pm
Brian said | September 25th 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
This is why the Brownlow is a joke. If you went to the two GF coaches and said you get one player to add to your team on Saturday from any of the other 16 teams Watson would not be in their top 10.
Ablett, J Selwood, Cox, Pavlich, Hawkins, Glass etc.
September 25th 2012 @ 3:31pm
Breezy said | September 25th 2012 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
Brian – depends on what either team needs. Both teams have good midfields, so I don’t think it is a fair question. Out of that list, Hawthorn might say Glass and Sydney might say Hawkins.
Watson came second in the MVP award and sixth in the Coaches award, so I don’t know why you have an issue with him winning.
September 25th 2012 @ 5:26pm
amazonfan said | September 25th 2012 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
Fair enough.
September 25th 2012 @ 6:02pm
amazonfan said | September 25th 2012 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
BTW, one possible way of altering the midfielder focus would to change the voting system to 5-4-3-2-1. It would never happen, however that’s one possibility.
September 25th 2012 @ 6:12pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 25th 2012 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
Amazonfan – I think somethings got to be done at some stage. One thing I don’t understand is why goal kickers aren’t recognised more. You go back to 1993 when Ablett kicked 124 goals in 17 games and he only ended up with 13 votes. I think in one game he kicked 8 and got one vote and in another he kicked 7 and didn’t get any.
September 25th 2012 @ 6:20pm
amazonfan said | September 25th 2012 @ 6:20pm | Report comment
Brian, you may consider the Brownlow to be a joke, however I imagine you would be alone in that. I, for one, consider the Brownlow to be the greatest individual award in all of sport.
Also, many of those players you mentioned may be better than Watson, but how many had better seasons? Which is the point of awards. You seem to think that simply because a player is great (speaking of which, were you suggesting before that Ablett is better than Matthews & Carrey?), they should win a Brownlow. But like all awards, they need to be among the best players of an individual season.
One last comment: Asking the GF coaches which player they would like is meaningless, as it depends on the respective teams. Hawthorn got rid of Ablett Sr, and I doubt very much they would have any regrets.
September 25th 2012 @ 7:11pm
amazonfan said | September 25th 2012 @ 7:11pm | Report comment
Reynoldsinski, I’m not opposed to the Brownlow being rejigged. As long as the umpires continue to award the votes, the fairest criteria remains in place, and the voting system continues being on a round by round process, I’m willing for there to be changes.
In an above post, I mentioned the 5-4-3-2-1 system. We could also bring back the double system. There may be a few things we can do.
Ultimately, I would prefer to leave it the way it is. While few non-midfielders tend to win, I don’t if it would be all that different if the voting system was dramatically changed. The Brownlow is certainly not unique when it comes to preferencing midfielders.
September 26th 2012 @ 11:11am
langou said | September 26th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
How would making it a 5-4-3-2-1 stop it from being a midfielders award?
September 26th 2012 @ 12:28pm
amazonfan said | September 26th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
It probably wouldn’t, however it would allow players to be recognised, who wouldn’t pick up votes under the 3-2-1 system. Midfielders would probably still win, but non-midfielders might get more credit.
Personally I don’t have a problem with midfielders being preferenced, especially since most awards preference midfielders these days (as they should IMO).
September 26th 2012 @ 8:25am
Redb said | September 26th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
That is the issue, the Brownlow is a midfielder’s award.
September 26th 2012 @ 8:26am
Redb said | September 26th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Matthews & Carey tended to get themselves rubbed out by the judiciary, as did Ablett Snr, Brereton,etc.
September 25th 2012 @ 10:48am
TC said | September 25th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
Ratings from last night:
FTA (5 city metro):
Brownlow vote: 956k+66k
Brownlow Red Carpet: 722k+77k
(Seven/7mate)
Fox top 6:
1 LIVE: AFL: 2012 BROWNLOW MEDAL FOX FOOTY 232,000
2 LIVE: AFL 360 FOX FOOTY 140,000
3 LIVE: AFL: FOOTY FASHION POLICE FOX FOOTY 98,000
4 EASTENDERS UKTV 91,000
5 NEW TRICKS UKTV 79,000
6 LIVE: AFL: BROWNLOW MEDAL RED CARPET FOX FOOTY 74,000
TC
September 25th 2012 @ 11:04am
Hawks9108 said | September 25th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
getting 53 possessions against the pies when about 30-35 of them are picked up receiving them via a handball recieve deep in the backline doesn’t equate to influencing a game in my opinion.
as Macca said how many teams tag him these days?? a clear sign that they think his influence on the game is not as great as many would like to believe.
September 25th 2012 @ 11:12am
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Compare these stats from that game
Ablett’s final tally was 31 kicks, 22 handballs, nine marks, 19 contested possessions, seven tackles and four clearances.
Thomas finished the night with 32 disposals (18 kicks 14 h/balls), which included 20 contested possessions, 11 clearances and three goals and 4 tackles
The official statisticians had them playing on each other for 66 minutes, with Thomas getting the nod 26-25
Dayne Beams equalled Thomas with 32 touches, Sharrod Wellingham went up a gear with 27 and a goal, while Cameron Wood, a late replacement for Darren Jolly, played one of his best games with 23 disposals and 25 hit-outs.
September 25th 2012 @ 11:42am
MF1970 said | September 25th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Just a guess but maybe the reason they opposition teams don’t put as much time into stopping Ablett is because in most instances they are confident that the players that he is kicking too will be spoilt by their direct opponent and then they will hurt the Suns from the turnover.
If Ablett is getting on the half back line he cant be kicking it to himself inside the forward 50………….. and at this stage not to many of the Suns forwards seem to be posing to many issues for opposition teams.
Not sure how much longer that will be the case for though……………
September 25th 2012 @ 3:41pm
langou said | September 25th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
As soon as Gold Coast sart winning they will be back tagging Ablett. I had a look at the Collingwood game and Ablett ended up with 19 contested pocessions, 10 clearances, 1 goal, 6 tackles and 4 inside 50s. Not a bad day out
September 25th 2012 @ 3:53pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
Iangou – Not sure about the immediate tag for Ablett, by the time they start winning consistently he will be close to 30 with the likes of Swallow & Bennell amongst many others entering their prime.
Also the stats I got for the Herald Sun report on the game had Ablett with 4 clearances but either way you are right it isn’t a bad game but Thomas’s gmae was pretty handy and Wood getting 23 touches as a ruckman is pretty impressive too. Plus out of 53 possession he only went inside 50 4 times? Is he really hurting teams with that sort of number?
September 25th 2012 @ 11:14am
Hawks9108 said | September 25th 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
Fair to say he wasn’t best on ground after all….
September 25th 2012 @ 12:58pm
Bayman said | September 25th 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Vince,
Ablett is certainly a great player but I’m happy that Watson won the medal. The stats sheet in modern footy is a bit of a furphy for many. Forty or even fifty touches a game are somewhat meaningless when even the good/average players can get thirty or so on a regular basis.
Besides, as some have pointed out, Ablett does get rather a lot by running around a teammate and getting the handball. I admit it’s a credit to his fitness levels and his commitment to keep going but the amount of touches, taken alone, is no real indication.
And let’s face it, if you’re a first or second year player at the Suns and Gary runs past calling for it – what are you going to do? Tell him to get his own footy! I don’t think so. Very few of those guys would have the nerve to refuse Ablett given his standing in the game – and theirs. Great player though.
Personally, I was hoping for either Watson or Mitchell to win it and they came first and second. I love ball getters but I like ball distributors even more. The Suns could lose Ablett and it wouldn’t really make much difference – arguably, they played better as a team when he wasn’t there. The Hawks cannot afford to lose Mitchell though because he really does make a difference to that side.
In the recent Prelim people have been going into raptures about Buddy and Cyril but for mine the real difference was Mitchell. Without him, the ball doesn’t get to Buddy or Cyril.
September 25th 2012 @ 1:46pm
Kev said | September 25th 2012 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
My thoughts exactly. Total possession counts alone are a useless way of measuring a player’s influence which is why I always raise an eyebrow every time commentators drool all over Dane Swan and talk like he is assured of maximum Brownlow votes because he’s picked up 35 possessions a game for 10 weeks in a row. Collingwood had 3 players who combined for more than 100 possessions in the match against Carlton earlier in the year and they still got flogged by 10 goals. Frankly, a player who has a quiet game for 3 quarters who then comes out and kicks 4 goals in the last quarter and wins the match in a tight contest should walk away with 3 votes because of the impact that they have on the result. The votes shouldn’t automatically go to a player who has touched the ball the most times which is the problem with a lot of the best player type of awards today.
September 25th 2012 @ 2:00pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
Kev – On Swan look at hw teams have beaten the Pies this year, let Swan get as many touches as he likes becasue he doesn’t hurt you (unless he is inside 50) and shut down the likes of Pendlebury, Thomas, Beams and Sidebottom.
September 25th 2012 @ 3:15pm
Cameron Rose said | September 25th 2012 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
Jobe is a clear and deserving Brownlow medalist, as Vince points out, and he could well have had the best year of any player this year. His consistency to be in the best three players on the ground, regardless of result, in most games was extraordinary.
For those arguing that Ablett shouldn’t get votes when his team loses by so much, it’s just not true, and not just for Ablett – any player can actually be the best player on the ground in a losing cause. Anyone who watched Gold Coast in rounds one, two and three couldn’t really argue against him getting 3 votes in each. He was simply the best player out there, and his game against St Kilda was in the top handful of individual performances of the season.
When he is on song, he does the hard work, don’t worry about that, and it isn’t just about his young teammates feeding the ball to the superstar. He wins it in the contest, and then such is his insatiable workrate, he is able to provide the option that no one else can. He has elevated his standing in the game through the eyes of educated football watchers in the last two seasons.
That said, I don’t believe he deserved three votes for his 53 possessions against Collingwood – he didn’t have the influence that his numbers suggest, and this game was actually an example of meaningless touches, and his disposal was quite sloppy on that day. No maliciousness at play, it just wasn’t his best day.
Nor should Swan have gotten votes against Hawthorn in round 17 when the Hawks won by eight goals even though he had 49 touches and two goals. The best player on the ground was wearing black and white, but it was Dayne Beams, who was incredible. In my opinion, Swan wasn’t in the best six that day.
It probably is a shame that defenders and forwards don’t get a chance any more in an award such as this, but the prime mover/s at each club are just so important now – and with so many of them oozing class and quality, it’s hard not to vote for them.
September 25th 2012 @ 3:23pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
Cameron – Not denying he is a great player or that it is possible to get 3 votes in a losing cause but to get so many 3 votes is so many beltings is a little beyond belief, as you point out the Collingwood game is one example.
September 25th 2012 @ 3:54pm
Cameron Rose said | September 25th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
Macca,
Ablett is generally regarded as in the top three players in the league, and a fair portion of football watches would have him at number one, and have done for years.
If he is the best player out of the 800 or so players on AFL lists across a season or career, doesn’t it stand to reason that he is going to be the best out of 44 over a two hour period from time to time, even in a loss? I don’t think it’s beyond belief at all – because i’ve seen it.
September 25th 2012 @ 4:01pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
From time to time Cameron yes but how many 3 votes did he get? How many votes did he get in winning sides? How many votes did he get in 10 goal plus losses? Are you saying in a 100 point loss not one of the opposing 22 players had more impact than Ablett?
You said yourself Ablett didn’t have a great day against the Pies yet 3 votes, the Swan example is another classic example of umpires being blinded by possession rather than looking at impact.
September 25th 2012 @ 4:26pm
Breezy said | September 25th 2012 @ 4:26pm | Report comment
Macca – you are being way too harsh on Ablett, and I don’t think that the result should have that much bearing.
You only have to look at Kernahan in the 1993 GF. Kicks 7 goals, but in the end, those goals had no impact on the result as his team loses by 44 points. You would still say that he played a great game though.
September 25th 2012 @ 4:32pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
Yep played a great game Breezy but did he win the Norm Smith?
September 25th 2012 @ 4:56pm
Breezy said | September 25th 2012 @ 4:56pm | Report comment
Thought you might say that. I believe Long deserved it, but another group of judges could have given it to Kernahan. As great as Long played, he still had to rely on his team mates having good games for Essendon to win. Kernahan’s mates didn’t perform on the day, but that shouldn’t detract from his performance. Just like the Suns efforts this year shouldn’t detract from how well Ablett has played.
September 25th 2012 @ 5:04pm
Macca said | September 25th 2012 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
Another group of judges? Give it a rest Breezy.
I am not saying Ablett isn’t any good or that he didn’t play well but when your side gets flogged it is rare that you are in the top 3 players on the ground let alone BOG.
Kernahan wasn’t BOG that day and his side got beat by 44 points, Ablett got beaten by twice that much and managed to be BOG according to the umpires and more than once.
September 25th 2012 @ 5:23pm
Breezy said | September 25th 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
Macca – look at round 1 versus Adelaide when they lost by 69 points. Ablett gets 47 disposals and 2 goals. Who played better than him that day? Can’t understand why you have an issue with him being BOG.
September 26th 2012 @ 9:07am
Macca said | September 26th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Breezy – As I said it is possible that Ablett was BOG in a team that lost by a massive margin but I find it hard to believe it happenned as much as it did.
As for the Adelaide game Scott Thompson had 39 touches that day (25k 14 hb), Taylor Walker had 15 touches for 5.2, Tippett had 19 touches for 4.3 . On the Stats on “final siren” Ablett had 42 touches that day, (23k 19h) so based solely on the Stats he could well have been BOG but others had very good games too in a side that won by a considerable margin.