Solution Series: A-League fans must be centre of everything
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Put fans at the centre of everything. That’s my suggestion for how to fix Australian football and, more specifically, the A-League’s ills.
In professional football there are only two groups of people that matter – players and fans.
Even without a league there’ll always be players (just ask the extraordinary women who made up early Matildas squads what it’s like having to pay your own way to a training camp), but it’s the fans who allow them to be professionals and live their dreams.
In the search for better viewing numbers and attendance figures at A-League games, we can forget what it is we’re actually looking for – fans.
With its passionate active support, football inherently makes the fan king. Supporting a football club is essentially about healthy tribalism, about belonging.
Here in the UK when I see someone wearing an A-League or Socceroos piece of clothing, I head straight over to talk to them. When I see someone wearing a Hawthorn Hawks top, I take little notice.
With the greatest of respect, Aussies are everywhere here and while the AFL and rugby folk come from the same place as I do, they’re not my tribe.
Anyone who has a club they’re deeply passionate about will understand the sense of belonging and pride that comes with watching your team represent the community you come from.
It’s not easy, but any league with designs of being self-sustaining and backed by thriving support has to recreate that.
So when I say put fans at the centre of everything this is how I’d do it.
Matchday experience
The matchday experience defines whether you come back to the stadium or not and how often you do so.
There are a number of different things the A-League can try – starting with replacing meat pies with souvlaki/cevapi/panini (including a vegetarian option for Ernie Merrick and myself thanks) – but they will always be artificial.
We need to play up football’s strengths and one of its most natural components is active support.
These fans don’t just need to be tolerated, they must be encouraged to grow and flourish naturally.
The ongoing tifo battle between fans of the Portland Timbers and Seattle Sounders in the MLS is a perfect example.
Even before a ball has been kicked, there’s already a huge payoff for attending one of these games.
Engaging your fans off the pitch
A-League players have some amazing stories. Let’s share them.
You’re a lot more inclined to care how the rookie left back from your team fares if you know his back story.
Media departments not only need to be creative, but A-League clubs and Football Federation Australia need to be open. The lack of regular mixed zones after games is a key point of contention.
The Arizona Cardinals in the NFL put out a weekly podcast service that includes an in-depth interview with the head coach the day after every game and a brilliant radio show co-hosted by two players.
A-League clubs don’t have these kind of resources, but the point remains – players and coaches must not just be available, but welcoming to engaging with their fans through the media.
Access to players
While recent fan days held across the league were fantastic successes, there should always be a place for fans around the club.
If a fan wants to come watch his team train and ask for an autograph, they must be welcomed.
At German Bundesliga side Borussia Monchengladbach, fans gather around the entrance of the team’s training pitch before a session starts.
As the players take the 100-metre walk from the stadium facilities to the pitch, they are left alone by the fans, except to be cheered on. After training, players sign autographs and pose for pictures. Every day.
A similar story occurs at Schalke’s stadium complex where, after training, players are obliged to walk through the club restaurant and greet any waiting fans.
If it’s good enough for one of the highest attended football leagues in the world, it’s good enough for the A-League.
Put back into your community
If you want to build connections with your fans, then make them proud of you.
Professional sport has the ability to unite and connect in ways most other facets of society can only dream of.
Be creative. American charity United Way has a player from each NFL team recruiting volunteers to be readers, tutors and mentors in an attempt to cut the high school dropout rate.
To make things a little bit more fun, they’ve faced every player and team off against each other to see which NFL side’s fans are best at putting back into their community.
The PFA and A-League sides have taken positive steps along these paths already, but let’s take it further.
If we put the kind of innovative thinking and hard work that brought Alessandro Del Piero into the A-League into these areas, the results would be a game changer for a young league still trying to find its place in the Australian sporting landscape.
This is the fourth in a five-part Solutions Series running this week on The Roar. Our football experts have been answering this question with their own take on the game: “If you were in charge of football in Australia, how would you fix the problems you see and make football a bigger professional code – and could this help the National Team? What are your Solutions to the big issues Australian football is facing?”
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September 27th 2012 @ 5:27am
Minister for Information for the Democratic People's Republic of Football said | September 27th 2012 @ 5:27am | Report comment
Not exactly an issue that needs to be addressed but this is something that I would like to see more of in the A-League.
Flags. Large flags a la J-League. I was at the SFC game vs Urawa in 2007 and the coordinated raising of the large flags and pennants on long poles by the Urawa tifos was a sight to behold. I’d always been a fan of this type of active support and had noticed it previously from highlights of the J-League but to see it first hand at the Sydney Football Stadium no less was very special.
Alas in our PC society and with the tradition of the Australian “football” fan (see Rugby,ARF) sitting in the stands, quiet as a church mouse until somebody scores or gets whacked, it seems a little while away from happening. Unfortunately there’s still too many people who will tell you that it’s just not the done thing in Australia.
September 27th 2012 @ 9:06am
langou said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
I hate the attitude that “active” supporters are better for the game and more passionate than any other supporters. I have spent a few games in the Shed when I was 18-19 but once the A-League started we made a decision to get season memberships in the outer and really enjoyed it. For me it’s less distracting, you take in more of the game and feel closer to the action. Sitting having a few quiet drinks with my best mates, cheering madly for whoever our then cult hero was (usually Naum Sekulovski), cracking jokes and just enjoying the game.
Don’t get me wrong, I think active support is great for the game but it’s not for everyone, some prefer to just watch the game, also older people, families, young children are there at games. I think the A-league should encourage active support but still market to a wider audience than the predominately young males that form the active supporter group.
September 27th 2012 @ 9:21am
Minister for Information for the Democratic People's Republic of Football said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Of course it’s not for everyone Iangou. That’s why they should have designated areas (i.e. behind the goal of one end). If parents are worried their kiddies will be exposed to a little too much colourful language then there’s other places for them to sit, with better viewing as well.
Sure the game needs to be marketed to a wider audience than just young males but let’s not try to water down the active supporter zones. That’s where the naughty boys are who do all the singing and (sometimes rude) chanting.
September 27th 2012 @ 10:18am
Damiano said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Football is big enough for both active support and non active support.
Active support sure builds a great atmosphere, regardless of whether you are involved in it or otherwise. It differentiates our sport from the other codes.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:49am
Cappuccino said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
The FFA just needs to strike the balance between retaining active supporters and bringing in new fan groups- young families, older people etc. We have to remember that kids at games are some of the most important spectators- if they enjoy the event, they’ll come back and in the future they’ll take their children. Most kids at A-League games play football as well- they are the next generation of football fans.
September 27th 2012 @ 6:12am
Johnno said | September 27th 2012 @ 6:12am | Report comment
I love the coach being the centre of attention in football. I love how in soccer the coach can be on the touch line ad draws attention to oneself it is cool. Socceroos games were always more excting with Hiddink on the sidelines. It makes it exciting seeing the world’s best up close on the sideline adds to experience, doesn’t distract away from the game. The coach becomes part of the match more shouting out from the ground walking up and down in his little painted area on the touch line arguing with the linesman and the other coach.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:50am
Cappuccino said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Just think, if we didn’t have coaches on the sidelines, we’d never have incidents like Kossie vs. Muscat!
September 27th 2012 @ 7:26am
MV Dave said | September 27th 2012 @ 7:26am | Report comment
Being a MV member and attending the home games should be an even extra treat this year…apparently the 15 minutes before KO have been given to the fans to run pre match entertainment and build atmosphere before the players come out on the ground with flags, banners etc
Most MV games have big and noisy crowds and it certainly adds to the occasion of the match itself. It is also great to see the fan days becoming more prominent with jersey presentations and new players being introduced. Slowly but surely fan culture is growing and the game lends itself to the active fan groups which create such a terrific atmosphere. Domestically the game has come so far in 7 years and there is so much more growing to do…it’s an exciting time to be a football fan in Oz.
Only 8 days to go!!
September 27th 2012 @ 7:54am
mwm said | September 27th 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
I agree with everything said in the article except for one thing. Leave the players alone to train. This is where they need to focus on drills, teamwork and also where they can have a laugh away from the pressures of match day. Leave all the chanting and autograph hunting for fan focus days or match days and let the players get simply on with the job.
About active support i always found it puzzling the ‘active’ supporter base always seem to focus more on coming up with witty chants than actually following the game on the park.
We need to create our own ‘Aussie’ football culture. That what is keeping the game back from being accepted by the mainstream.
With all due respect to supporters what we have now is a combination of imported English football culture (singing fans) and Italian football culture (flag flying…and unfortunately once in a while… flares).
We need to stop looking overseas and create an organic football culture thats quirky and only we ‘understand’.
September 27th 2012 @ 8:57am
Minister for Information for the Democratic People's Republic of Football said | September 27th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
All active supporters in recliner chairs then…with stubby in hand.
September 27th 2012 @ 9:17am
Kasey said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Suburb Name clap clap clap suburb name!! seems to be the accepted “Australian way.”:(
I think we can and do better than that already.
We’d need more support from the club administrations to reach the tifo levels of MLS though. I’m yet to take a neophyte Soccer fan into the active support area at Hindmarsh and fail to have them say something along the lines of ” that was awesome – when’s the next home game?” Of particular note are the big rivalry games against Melbourne Victory where football nicely piggybacks on over 80 years of Australian Rules and the odd F1-dispute built rivalry between the 2 states of SA and VIC
September 27th 2012 @ 9:36am
Johnno said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Kasey the mLS is destroying the A-league it doesn’t make any mistakes or teams fold lots of money, compared to the A-league the MLS has been a model league and hasn’t had any rough patches along the way we could really learn form the MLS as they are light years ahed of the A-league. in everything they do.
September 27th 2012 @ 11:06am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
@ Johnno
My knowledge of MLS history is poor, so I thought I’d do basic research & I highly recommend you do the same prior to posting.
Some basic milestones in the evolution of the MLS
1. MLS started in 1996, with 10
2. Two teams were added in 1998 – Chicago Fire & Miami Fusion
3. After Season 1, MLS suffered decline in attendances
4. After 3 seasons, MLS had serious financial problems & when the standard of the league was questioned
5. By 2001, 2 teams had folded – so the MLS was back to 10 teams … same as the year it started
6. In 2002, the MLS philosophy shifted toward development of USA talent, a move that would eventually lead to success for U.S. soccer.
7. Leading up to WC2006, MLS underwent a significant transition with MLS players being signed by prominent leagues in Europe.
Johnno, Can you see the similarities?
The HAL is 9 years behind the MLS … so, basically, we’re about where the MLS was at the end of 2003. Remember, the MLS lost 2 teams in 2001 … just as the HAL has lost 2 teams.
September 27th 2012 @ 11:21am
Kasey said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
The MLS is a model league who never makes mistakes? You’re having a laugh surely?
How would any football fan in this country feel about watching a gimmicky game that differed markedly from the standard IFAB LOTG such that there was a countdown clock removing from the referee his responsibility for time keeping. Until 1999/2000 MLS even had shootouts to resolve draws (aka ties in the yank parlance)
At one stage 8 of the 10 teams in MLS were owned by one billionaire or run by his Sports Group Phillip Anschutz (Anschutz Entertainment Group)
One of the reasons MLS is where it is today is that their administrators made some financially astute decisions, Starting with investing in Suitably sized stadia, but also including setting up Soccer United marketing(SUM) a stand alone group that bought the TV rights to as much Soccer as it could (MLS, UCL, the World Cup) and then parlayed that into the current deal with Network NBC, the money divided up amongst the SUM stakeholders – the USSFand the franchises of MLS itself.
Frankly Johnno if there was an award for least productive poster in the football threads, your half cocked ramblings would surely have you in contention for the Gold Medal. I’m not sure which reality you reside in, but it surely isn’t the same one football in this country operates within
September 27th 2012 @ 3:05pm
Australian Rules said | September 27th 2012 @ 3:05pm | Report comment
Johnno it’s fairly clear from that post that you don’t follow the MLS.
September 27th 2012 @ 10:57am
nachos supreme said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
That sir is a platform if I ever heard it. Where can I vote for you?
September 27th 2012 @ 9:16am
Futbanous said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Having grown up on English football,dont disagree,but what is the”Aussie football culture” ?
I can go back long enough to when there was no English football culture in the manner described. No singing no chanting,mainly clapping & cheering. It evolved as did the Italian football culture etc in its own time.
Seems that many other countries have adopted the English style or Italian style etc way of being football fans.
Personally I enjoy this style of active support. What we dont need here is the violence that often accompanys it.
For me Aussie humour injected into chants ,banners & the like is the way to go. Others may have other thoughts.
Certainly dont want to see a stadium full of 10 year olds hitting each other or me on the head with thundersticks.
September 27th 2012 @ 10:39am
Andyroo said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
I have been in the active support for a couple of K league games at Suwon.
It’s a really high energy place (no sitting for the entire game) and they have some chants where they put the words on the big screen and the families on the side join in for those ones (about 3 a game).
Some people would call that “plastic” as clearly the club and supporter groups are working together rather than it just happening completely organically. But it makes for a great match day experience.
September 27th 2012 @ 9:17am
Football United said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
we need to create our own ‘aussie football culture’. geez the amount of times i’ve heard this brought up, you know what the result always is? NOTHING HAPPENS. From what i’ve seen Aussie sports culture, means sitting in silence watching the game, not getting involved until Bazza, Dazza or Gazza scores or gets whacked. Football Culture, and a lot of our aussie football families, originated in Europe and it it is their (plus a bit of South America) style of support that is what will influence our supporters, not what other non-football Australians do. For the record after watching the Brazilians with their drum sound at games, though if someone really wanted to bring an australian sound to the terraces, i’ve always wandered what something like a digereedoo would sound like with supporters. just food for thought.
September 27th 2012 @ 9:30am
Futbanous said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Love the digeridoo sound. When I hear it I relate it to Australia. Suprised that its not used to be honest by supporters.
Then again maybe its a sensitive thing trying to adopt Aborigonal culture into mainstream Australia.
September 27th 2012 @ 10:09am
apaway said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
What about a wobble-board, Rolf Harris-style?
September 27th 2012 @ 10:32am
Futbanous said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Now theres Aussie Culture & Aussie culture. Mentioned the thundersticks earlier, can only imagine 10,000 kids with wobble-boards. Scary thought.
20,000 fans with Rolf Harris masks even scarier
September 27th 2012 @ 2:38pm
Kasey said | September 27th 2012 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
thousands of little Rolf Harrises…wasn’t that a Goodies episode? I’d rather face the giant Cat after serving a sttint on a Pt Lincoln Tuna boat to be honest
September 27th 2012 @ 1:42pm
Griffo said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Remember home end support for Newcastle United in the NSL had the samba drums and shakers going – sounded awesome. Not enough fan music these days imo. Loud hailers don’t count
Always wondered as well why the digeridoo hasn’t made an impact either. That, drums and rhythm sticks would give a unique sound if it was wanted…
September 27th 2012 @ 11:54am
mahony said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Did it ever occur to you that our mix of approaches (British, southern European) is exactly what makes it Australian. Just think about that for a moment…..
September 27th 2012 @ 9:24am
TomC said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
‘With the greatest of respect, Aussies are everywhere here and while the AFL and rugby folk come from the same place as I do, they’re not my tribe.’
Urgh. This made me cringe. I love Australian football, but I wish a lot of the people within it were less insular.
September 27th 2012 @ 9:38am
Futbanous said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Dont blame you TomC. Cant imagine Poms writing an article when overseas in the same vein.
When Australian football journalists can write an article from overseas about Football culture/fans in Australia without mentioning other sports then you have a real “Football culture”.
Until just be happy that football is making headway into mainstream sport,bit by bit.
September 27th 2012 @ 5:10pm
Australian Rules said | September 27th 2012 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
Exactly. Could you imagine an English bloke in Australia who, upon seeing a fellow Pom, did not approach him because one was a fan of rugby and the other a fan of football?
It’s just embarrassing writing.
September 27th 2012 @ 11:23am
AGO74 said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
100% TomC.
I love my A-League and attend heaps of Sydney FC games, but I also love Canterbury (going to GF on sunday wearing a Bulldogs jersey). Can you please tell me what is wrong with that Davidde?
September 27th 2012 @ 11:53am
Nathan of Perth said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Let’s start with the fact its a Canterburg jersey.
September 27th 2012 @ 11:56am
AGO74 said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
Maybe a Western Reds jersey would be more acceptable for yourself Nathan
September 27th 2012 @ 7:22pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | September 27th 2012 @ 7:22pm | Report comment
Call me crazy but when i went over to UK/Europe the last people i wanted to speak to were Aussies or drink at the bloody Walkabout!
September 27th 2012 @ 11:59am
mahony said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
I get what you are saying – but it spoke to me as a football fan my entire life. I wont be told by AFL fans that I am “insular” either. The irony of that is almost suffocating.
September 27th 2012 @ 12:40pm
Titus said | September 27th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
While it is probably unnecessary I can also relate to it.
In Australia football fans are largely treated with contempt, made to not feel part of the community and continually subject to distasteful, boorish behaviour by fans of other codes who claim to be the upholders of Australia’s true culture.
So for a Football fan to be overseas and in cultures where Football is respected it can feel quite liberating and there is a certain satisfaction in sharing that new found liberation.
And to be honest, whilst certainly a generalisation, someone wearing an AFL/NRL top in Europe could be a good warning sign of the type of person you wish to avoid whilst soaking up a foriegn culture.
September 27th 2012 @ 12:49pm
TomC said | September 27th 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
Geez, you might want to reread this post, Titus.
Do you not see the hypocrisy in claiming that fans of other sports don’t make you feel part of the community, while at the same time judging them as the kinds of people you’d choose to avoid for wearing their teams colours?
Maybe, just maybe, fans of all codes need to be a bit more inclusive, and a bit less judgemental.
September 27th 2012 @ 1:07pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
You really are a fool, Titus. Time to get that chip off your shoulder. There is no contempt for football from fans of other codes. Judging from your post, it seems like you’re the one displaying contempt.
September 27th 2012 @ 1:38pm
Titus said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
Sad I know but also the truth…….if I saw someone wearing an AFL top in England and said I like Football, chances are they would say “The game is called soccer and it is a boring game of draws and low scores played by divers and sissies and followed by wogs who haven’t assimilated to our culture”
I know its probably a 50/50 chance that person also likes Football and an even smaller chance that they like the a-league, but as Davidde says, if they are wearing a-league gear you can be sure.
And I suspect AFL or League fans would be the same when they see AFL/NRL gear overseas.
September 27th 2012 @ 2:04pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 27th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Titus, my experience has been that Aussies in the UK embrace football when they get there. Looking back, I would say that all of the ones that I got to know followed a Premier League side with varying degrees of enthusiasm. Having said that, I reckon Aussie women are more likely to call it “boring and a game for sissies”.
September 27th 2012 @ 4:36pm
Kasey said | September 27th 2012 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
In my experience it works both ways, Many Aussies that go to the UK and are prepared to give the ‘wogball’ a go jump on the bandwagon for a season of the biggest club they can afford: Arsenal or Chelski rarely Fulham, meaning when they get back they think they know it all and are only too patronising in their view of domestic Australian football. I’m a huge football fan but even I can see in direct comparison the HAL suffers when compared to the EPL.
September 27th 2012 @ 4:45pm
Big Bob said | September 27th 2012 @ 4:45pm | Report comment
If I were in England and an Aussie Rules Handball supporter said that to me about Football (ON Football’s turf) I would bash him AND his gutless gay mates if they wanted to make something of it!
September 27th 2012 @ 6:24pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 27th 2012 @ 6:24pm | Report comment
Good on ya, Big Bob. You sound well hard. That’s the spirit that we want, rather than these girls who burst into tears at the smallest negative comment about football.
September 27th 2012 @ 6:35pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 27th 2012 @ 6:35pm | Report comment
@Reynoldsinski
“rather than these girls who burst into tears at the smallest negative comment about football”
That’s the 2nd time you’ve used “females” as the foundation for your allegations about weak SOCKAH fans.
By all means call SOCKAH fans weak … but why refer to females?
Are you a misogynist?
September 27th 2012 @ 7:03pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 27th 2012 @ 7:03pm | Report comment
When was the first time I used females? You’ve got the wrong end of the stick here, probably deliberately. I’m not calling football fans weak. Most football fans have broad shoulders, but some of the people on this site have a persecution complex. You seem to be the leader of that pack, and the game would be better off without your type.
September 27th 2012 @ 1:44pm
nordster said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
there is no contempt for football from fans of other sports??? …geez dont know where u live mate, plenty of contempt for sockah in my experience and then some!
September 27th 2012 @ 1:55pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
My guess is that you are probably hypersensitive, and that you are seeing or hearing something that is not really there. What has happened in your experiences then?
September 27th 2012 @ 2:33pm
nordster said | September 27th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
Hahaha ok then i’ll bow down to your better balanced impressions
Any hyper sensitivity i have is likely a result of having had to listen to the moronic views some folks have of football. So i would be a beast of their own making…blowback i think they call it in the classics
September 27th 2012 @ 3:17pm
nordster said | September 27th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
ok then i’ll bow down to your better balanced impressions
Any hyper sensitivity i have is likely a result of having had to listen to the m*ronic views some folks have of football. So i would be a beast of their own making…blowback i think they call it in the classics
September 27th 2012 @ 4:23pm
nordster said | September 27th 2012 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
Mods must have been playing fifa 13 or something lol that took an hour on the first attempt
Bernie is tearing it up for me on mariners career mode
September 27th 2012 @ 1:44pm
Futbanous said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
“There is no contempt for football from fans of other codes”
Then why did Johnny Warren write a whole book about contempt against football in Australia,Sheilas Wogs & Poofters?
Of course theres been contempt against Football in Australia,I experienced it as soon as I stepped off the boat.
Should a football fan continue to have a chip on the shoulder today,probably not.,given the progress since ironically Johnny Warren died. Compared with 40 years ago anybody knocking football today is a pussycat compared with the Aussie labourers I worked alongside when I first came here.
But I can say that because I wasn’t born or raised here, football is embedded in my psyche, I’ve always regarded SW&P as a foreign concept.
Not so the Australian born fans many of whom I’ve known personally,so I can relate to what Titus & Mahony are expressing.
September 27th 2012 @ 2:07pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 27th 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
@ Reynoldsinski
“There is no contempt for football from fans of other codes”
And, I laughed & I laughed.
My guess is you’re new to Australia &/or new to football in Australia?
I’ve been a football fan, living in Australia for over 40 years and throughout my life in Australia there has always has been contempt for SOCKAH from those, who don’t appreciate the Beautiful Game.
Social media has finally given football people a voice, which means the voice of Football naysayers can be ridiculed and, eventually, ignored completely.
September 27th 2012 @ 2:26pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 27th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Keep guessing laughing boy. Don’t know why you write it as ‘SOCKAH’, what is all that about? You come across as a very bitter and twisted individual. Get rid of the hate for other sports, and for the Australians that have interests outside of football.
September 27th 2012 @ 3:39pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 27th 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
“Get rid of the hate for other sports, and for the Australians that have interests outside of football”
Other sports don’t interest me, so why would non-football sports – or their followers – evoke any emotion – positive or negative – from me?
September 27th 2012 @ 4:51pm
Brewski said | September 27th 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
Reynoldsinski said ” You come across as a very bitter and twisted individual. ”
He certainly does, as TC says, him and Craig Foster have been great for Australian football !!.
September 27th 2012 @ 5:16pm
nordster said | September 27th 2012 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
They preach to the converted at least, and if there’s one thing australian Football fans need more of is people preaching to the converted! Folks like Fuss and Foz are playing the long game….and not long ball
September 27th 2012 @ 2:00pm
Cappuccino said | September 27th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
The A-League fanbase is less about tribes than in many European leagues. Here, the FFA is trying to make it more about families anyway.
September 27th 2012 @ 9:39am
Midfielder said | September 27th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Given the way the media react to anything that in a remote way can look like a fight our home ends and fan groups are under constant analysis …. even the slightest thing will be blown up …
While I don’t necessarily disagree with what the article is saying … the bigger issue is changing the perception of football crowds and security folk employed by stadium management…
Can you imagine the reaction if this was a football story rather than a RL story from last week … http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/rugby-league-brawl-parents-need-ego-boost/story-e6frfkp9-1226475193326
Davvide your analysis is correct but I feel does not consider all fans….. it centres around the Home end types … Australian sport needs families to come and to cater for their needs … to date you could argue that their has been too much catering for families re security issues …. but I think not more stadium managements, stadium security, media reporting not understanding the home ends…
My belief is a huge effort needs to be made with extensive coverage and include all parties … but a kinda home end code of behaviour that MV & SFC have been establishing needs to be expanded even more and all clubs and fans groups included …
As Andrew Peacock once said “”Perception is a persons truth and belief” Football needs to change the perception… IMO one of DG biggest challenges…
September 27th 2012 @ 10:30am
nordster said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
Well he is a politician…those folks live and breath perceptions and distortions thereof. Football can never win with the attitude that ‘perceptions’ should restrict how we act in reality. The tabloid media will always win that one, at least for as long as they stay afloat these days!
The reality is football is a safe experience…even on the ends…families are free to sit at the other end or in reserved.
And the flipside of gearing too much to “families” ….or at least mum, dad, grandpa etc…is that once the kids are of teen age they will probably not want to attend at all. Better they have a place in the ground to get their kicks, than outside the ground breaking into your car. Or going thru your purse as they just stay home
September 27th 2012 @ 10:30am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
This is one of the best articles I’ve read on The Roar about the culture of football – thank you Davidde.
I can’t add anything more, since you’ve captured my thoughts to perfection.
But, I have to repeat this gem:
“… while the AFL and rugby folk come from the same place as I do, they’re not my tribe”.
BOOM – We Are Football!
September 27th 2012 @ 10:48am
BigAl said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
BOOM – just shot yourself in the foot !
September 27th 2012 @ 10:52am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
2 days before the biggest ARF competition in the world this year … and you’re immersing yourself in Football Culture.
This simply would never have happened 5, 10, 20, etc. years ago. The sporting landscape has completely changed in Australia.
Get involved, or get out of our way … WE ARE FOOTBALL.
September 27th 2012 @ 11:25am
AGO74 said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Fuss – I am football. I am also rugby league. Is there a problem with that?
September 27th 2012 @ 11:34am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
@AGO74
It’s not a problem for me – is it a problem for you?
In 40 years, I’ve never watched a full game of RL and, if I live another 40 years, I doubt this will change.
That’s not a reflection on the sport of RL – it’s a reflection on what I like & what I don’t like.
September 27th 2012 @ 11:50am
AGO74 said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
It’s not a problem for me in the way you write that exact comment. However if an AFL fan wrote, “Get involved or get out of the way” I suspect you’d see it differently.
I guess the problem I have with Davidde’s comment that you quote is that it has absolutely no relevance. It just comes across as a snooty elitist remark.
Anyway, I can’t wait for Sunday’s GF and for the A-League a week later.
September 27th 2012 @ 11:54am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
@AGO74
“if an AFL fan wrote, “Get involved or get out of the way” I suspect you’d see it differently”
Au contraire … I couldn’t give a stuff about AFL, so I’d never ever be in their way.
I don’t give a stuff about ballet, rap music, swimming or cricket … so, I’ll never be in the way trying to impede the progress of those activities.
Nor, will I try to impede or stifle those, who enjoy those activities.
September 27th 2012 @ 12:56pm
@mo_mackie said | September 27th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
Good way to miss his point.
September 27th 2012 @ 3:28pm
BigAl said | September 27th 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
What I am immersing myself in is the internet/Web cultrure, but you are correct, it simply would never have happened 5, 10, 20, etc. years ago.
September 27th 2012 @ 11:37am
pete4 said | September 27th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
I like the idea of A-League clubs all retiring the No.12 jersey in honour of their fans.
It’s a simple gesture which dedicates a squad number to a very important team member (and your 12th man) – The Fans.
September 27th 2012 @ 1:00pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Davidde – until recently I lived in London for 12 years and never saw anyone with a socceroos or an A-league top. Sounds like you are making it up. Is the A-league even ill? It’s only be going for 7 years, so they seem to be going ok to me.
September 27th 2012 @ 12:03pm
mahony said | September 27th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
I saw a Perth Glory fan in Beijing and a fellow Melbourne Victory fan in St Peterburg and I was only on holiday. I guess I made that up too?
September 27th 2012 @ 12:36pm
Reynoldsinski said | September 27th 2012 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
To be fair, it does sound made up. Especially the St Petersburg example. What are the chances of that?
September 27th 2012 @ 8:26pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | September 27th 2012 @ 8:26pm | Report comment
I saw a few Socceroos jerseys in Munich once,about 20,000 of them.
September 27th 2012 @ 10:41pm
Mahony said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:41pm | Report comment
A million to one, but sure enough is a major European city at one of the worlds largest museums (the Hermitage) ther it was. I am not the one making the absolution isn’t statement here. Just telling you what I, my wife, and some Dutch friends saw ona trip 3 years ago.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:14am
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
I too saw a guy wearing a Melbourne Victory shirt in Brighton,England when i lived there.Also there was the great story about the guy(who’s name escapes me)who’s mates flew him over for the GF from England.There was a nice picture of him on the front page of the West Australian proudly wearing his Glory strip on Brighton Pier.
September 27th 2012 @ 12:43pm
Nathan of Perth said | September 27th 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
Purple is always an in colour
September 27th 2012 @ 1:13pm
Futbanous said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
Not when the Orange Berisha’s are in bloom.
September 27th 2012 @ 1:35pm
Nathan of Perth said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
I think I’ll spare us all the wilting jokes
September 27th 2012 @ 1:51pm
Alex said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Nah, they stayed in colour Futbanous, they just went a darker shade of purple
September 27th 2012 @ 10:15pm
Cappuccino said | September 27th 2012 @ 10:15pm | Report comment
I’ve seen a Sydney FC fan in Hanoi…
September 28th 2012 @ 1:30am
Banger said | September 28th 2012 @ 1:30am | Report comment
Just saw last seasons Sydney FC on the tube on sunday afternoon freshly kitted out with a Del Piero 9
September 28th 2012 @ 8:40am
Cappuccino said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Shouldn’t it be Del Piero 10?
September 28th 2012 @ 8:44am
Kasey said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
does it cost extra for 2 numbers a 1 and a zero as opposed to just a 9? LDN is expensive, maybe he was skint?
September 28th 2012 @ 8:45am
Fussball ist unser leben said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
The ultimate acceptance of an HAL club by the world football market .…
… fake Sydney FC “Del Piero shirts” (including WebJet sponsorship logo!!) are being sold in a market in Sardinia!
https://twitter.com/superockin/status/251415280142675968/photo/1
September 27th 2012 @ 1:59pm
Griffo said | September 27th 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Could more tifos be seen this season?
Newcastle Jets current membership campaign uses the ‘Newcastle’ tifo that the squadron put out against Melbourne Victory in December last year, with the squadron banner another notable effort in the HAL3 Grand Final.
Just the effort in the the ‘Newcastle’ tifo alone makes you appreciate how much effort must have gone into the Portland Timbers monster.
Maybe one is being setup for the first F3 clash of the season
September 27th 2012 @ 2:09pm
Futbanous said | September 27th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
The amount of work put into monster Tifo’s shows the passion for me. Takes a lot of time & effort & is impressive to other more passive(but not less passionate)older fans such as myself.
September 27th 2012 @ 2:28pm
Kasey said | September 27th 2012 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
I would love to see more giant tifos acround the league, I’m with Futanous, it shows an incredible amount of devotion and passionfor your team to take the time to design and construct one, certainklly more effort than what goes into some imbecile ripping a flare and throwing it onto the pitch. Any idiot can rip a flare, they are in fact designed that way for their intended purpose on the Open seas, but it takes a committed and creative fan to get involved with a tifo crew . More please:)
September 28th 2012 @ 8:23am
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Im pretty sure Glory are allowing tifos at games this year.It will be a nice sight seeing the shed end packed out with banners etc,kop style!
September 28th 2012 @ 8:41am
Cappuccino said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
The Cove usually has a tifo, they’re still allowed at the SFS. But yeah, that Newcastle tifo for GF3 was impressive.