Johns drives wedge between Immortals and Hall of Fame
By Shawn Dollin, 28 Sep 2012 Shawn Dollin is a Roar Rookie
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I would like to heartily congratulate Andrew Johns on being the eighth player added to the list of rugby league Immortals.
The Immortals is a concept which was founded in 1981 by Rugby League Week magazine, as there was no Hall of Fame for rugby league at the time. The Immortals has no ‘official’ tag, nor is it affiliated in any way with the game’s administration at any level.
With that said, it’s quite remarkable that the Immortals holds such high standing in the game.
While there was no Hall of Fame when it began, that changed in 2002 when one was established by the ARL. It immediately drew comparisons with the Immortals concept as the original inductees were the six Immortals at the time – Clive Churchill, Reg Gasnier, Johnny Raper, Graeme Langlands, Bob Fulton and Wally Lewis.
For each year following, a spate of legendary league players were added, until there was a total of 30 inductees by 2007. Further additions were halted by celebrations and events surrounding the centenary of the game in Australia.
This culminated with the naming of both the Australian Team of the Century and the Greatest 100 Australian Players of the Century.
By this time, a seventh Immortal had also been added, Arthur Beetson.
By the end of the centenary year, rugby league in Australia had seven Immortals, 30 Hall-of-Famers, 17 players and a coach in the Team of the Century, and a further 100 legends in the Greatest 100 Players list.
All seven Immortals were present in all lists, although two of them (Bob Fulton and Graeme Langlands) could only make the bench in the Team of the Century.
Despite being limited to an exclusive size of 18 with the Hall of Fame consisting of 30 members to date, Andrew Johns, Noel Kelly and Jack Gibson hold the distinction of being the only three members of the Team of the Century who aren’t in the Hall of Fame.
The exclusion of Jack Gibson is understandable as the Hall of Fame does not yet include individuals who aren’t selected as players – i.e. legendary referees, coaches and administrators.
Andrew Johns’ exclusion can also be put down to the fact that he only retired in 2007, and the Hall of Fame requires that a player has been retired for five years before gaining entry – not possible in 2008.
This probably throws into question either the inclusion of Noel Kelly in the Team of the Century, or his exclusion from the Hall of Fame to date. However, the exclusion problem can easily be rectified in all three cases by simply updating the Hall of Fame list.
With all that said, the plethora of ‘best player’ lists, with all their inconsistencies, has been further thrown into disarray with the naming of Johns as the eighth Immortal.
Being an award concocted by the media for the media, the brains trust behind the naming of an eighth Immortal would have cared little that the game’s governing body has left the Hall of Fame to gather dust since the centenary celebrations in 2008.
It has been mooted previously that the NSWRL/ARL/NRL/ARLC would like to grant the Immortals concept some degree of official recognition.
However it would not be easy to pry the name from the grasp of Rugby League Week’s publisher ACP, who no doubt regard the award and its high standing in the game as a good way to sell magazines.
What further complicates the issue is the naming of Johns in the Immortals list. While he has already stated that he feels like the game of rugby league has forgiven him after being named in the Team of the Century, one would expect entry into an officially recognised Hall of Fame to be a tougher prospect.
The majority of sports with a well-established Hall of Fame include administrators, officials and coaches. With that said it is clearly going to take more than just playing ability to get in.
When judged on playing ability alone, Andrew Johns is unquestionably qualified to make the cut of most top-five lists. However, his off-field indiscretions cast a huge shadow over his status as a potential Hall-of-Famer, which should be made up of individuals who had the greatest possible positive impact on the game.
They must be high achievers in the sport, and well respected in the community.
Andrew Johns falls well short on the latter point. Following his retirement, he was caught in possession of a banned substance, and subsequently revealed a long history of drug abuse which was covered up throughout his career.
He was also once suspended for verbally abusing a referee, shunned a presentation of the game ball by former player Jason Taylor after breaking his pointscoring record, and left the NSW coaching staff following racist remarks he made during a training session.
In short, it would not be a good look for rugby league if he was not only validated, but celebrated for his contribution to the game with entry into the Hall of Fame.
The Immortals concept has always clearly stated that it is judged purely on playing ability, so it cannot be questioned.
However a Hall of Fame means so much more. The balance of achievement by an individual, whether they were a player, coach, referee or administrator, as well as their contributions to the community, must be addressed.
To stand alongside greats such as Arthur Beetson and Mal Meninga, after it was claimed by former teammate Timana Tahu that Johns had a history of making racist comments, would throw the rugby league Hall of Fame into complete disrepute, especially when you look at the positive impact on the community the likes of Beetson and Meninga have made both during their playing career and after.
If the ARLC indeed want to bring the Immortals ‘in-house’ and integrate it with their existing Hall of Fame – which is clearly in need of a revival and revision – they will now have the sore point of Andrew Johns to contend with.
For now, the line in the sand has clearly been drawn. Before last night, the Immortals and Hall of Fame went well together.
Now they are looking a bit like the awards’ equivalent of the Super League split.
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September 28th 2012 @ 5:42am
daniel said | September 28th 2012 @ 5:42am | Report comment
crap decisoin as simple as that. No where near the game changer even langer was. Just some one for nsw to get excited about they have to have thier poster boy. I will never buy a big leauge again.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:20am
peeeko said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:20am | Report comment
wrong magazine champ, its rugby league week. and i am pretty sure the immortals themselves and other experts have a better idea than you
September 30th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Steve said | September 30th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
Take it easy Peeeko; judging from his spelling, daniel would struggle reading the 4 X’s on his beer can- you can hardly blame him for getting titles mixed up.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:44am
eagleJack said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
People can question Johns off-field behaviour but one cannot question his ability on the field. And hence why he is an Immortal. It is not a NSW v QLD thing despite what many QLD folk have us believe. I also believe Meninga will be inducted one day. It is a celebration of the games greats and should be seen that way. Not which Origin jersey one pulled on. They are all great Australian rugby league players.
September 28th 2012 @ 10:21am
damoinaus said | September 28th 2012 @ 10:21am | Report comment
Will they do an Andrew Johns bottle of Penfolds wine? Or will it be an Andrew Johns ecstasy pill?
In all seriousness, I agree with the criteria in which the award is judged – by on-field prowess only. By those means, Johns is one of the greatest, and deserves the status of immortal. He was the complete package, and inspired everyone around him.
On top of that, the fans loved him. Everyone at school wanted to kick a banana on Monday morning after the weekend’s footy.
September 28th 2012 @ 11:39am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
So was Mal, and he should have been awarded before Joey. He cant be awarded now, or ever. it will make a mockery of the whole process, so NSW rl has again, let the game down, has no concept of what they are doing the damage to the game, the credibilty of the game, is in shambles, no one has faith, the women and kids are flocking out of the code. This whole mess is just typical of the running of the game by NSW, dinosaurs, and people out of touch.
I have been saying this for years, again the game is to slow to wake up, react, has no neutrals who can show this game so many flaws in everything the game does.
Too many league people who cant see the light, cant see the trees, cant see naything because the game is so inclosed, so brutally run into the ground by braineless fools. Mate, think about, show me one person outside the ciommision with a degree in anything. go on, show me.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=10836999
Nobody on this site even write about stories that should be written about, what about this, a NZ story that has no feed back on league sites. It effects one of the NRL teams, and nobody cares, nobody is talking about it. Out of site, out of mind.
These are issues invovled with our game, NZ is a large part of that, and this immortal inductee is badly timed, we are about to head into a grand final. Mate, their are so many issues with this game, all wrong, all ill-conceaved and ill-timed.
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September 29th 2012 @ 2:44pm
Dayer said | September 29th 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
to early to be nominated in front of the other legends ….. bad decision.
September 29th 2012 @ 2:42pm
Dayer said | September 29th 2012 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
I agree, terrible decision, nowhere he should have being selected (seems like a conspiracy by some NSW blokes) he is a very good player but it is not his time yet, maybe 15 to 20 years time but not now.
September 28th 2012 @ 5:52am
The Grafter said | September 28th 2012 @ 5:52am | Report comment
Very well researched and written Shawn.
As a former Newcastle supporter (I returned my jersey with a letter to the CEO when Brian Smith became coach,and subsequently stopped supporting RL full stop) I couldnt have Johns in there full stop.
Personally the deeds of Provan and Meninga (where is/was Ken Irvines nomination) surpasse Johns in my opinion.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:22am
peeeko said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:22am | Report comment
“deeds” what do you mean exactly? rep honours,stats or who was the greater player?
September 28th 2012 @ 11:50am
Steve VIC said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Stop acting like a child, its not all about you and your feelings. Also, you don’t watch rugby league anymore so dont read the rugbyleague forums.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:33am
WQ said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:33am | Report comment
Just another pathetic NSW media driven load of rubbish!
September 28th 2012 @ 6:46am
eagleJack said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:46am | Report comment
Settle down WQ not everything is about which State you represented.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:21am
WQ said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:21am | Report comment
I don’t disagree with you eagleJack however I quite simply believe that is a significant factor in the awarding of this status. If you weigh up the career stats and highlights of Meninga and Johns there is no comparison. Meninga’s resume is streets ahead of Johns. There can be no argument about that not even by the most one eyed NSW fan.
So if your achievements are not what makes you an immortal, then what is?
September 28th 2012 @ 8:57am
B.A Sports said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Meninga was a great player, so was Johns, its not about which state they came from…
Its funny, QLD’ers carry on about how they are pasionate about their state and NSWelshman are not, but apparently when it comes to judicaries, and voting for people for Hall’s of Fame, all of the sudden all people from NSW care about is NSW… according to QLD’ers…
I’m actually suprised this whole immortal decision has got so much attention, because the NRL is dreadful at capturing its history and this “honour” seems so thrown together and misses such a large chunk of the games history. And apart from the two weeks before the announcement, nobody ever really talks about it.
September 28th 2012 @ 10:07am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
It was not talked about because having Johns even in the mix this time around was wrong. The Rugby league Queensland public are so ashamed, so embarressed by the whole concept they could not even bare the thought Joey would be inducted above Big Mal. Now that has happened, the worst case senario has happened and rugby league is none the wiser of what they have done.
Trust me, this is huge, and it was a test, failed, failed big time by the NRL, ARL, NSW rl , call it what you like, they have let down Queensland for the very last time.
The public has vented their anger, they are turning on this game like never before, they all know the game has let them down. Goodnite Irene.
September 28th 2012 @ 11:14am
josh said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
go and watch netball then you goose, or visit your beloved art gallery
September 28th 2012 @ 11:17am
John said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Oikee
Don’t you think you are being a little melodramatic. ‘The worst case scenario?’ ‘They have let down Queensland for the last time?’
Johns was a slightly more skilled player, and had a bigger influence on how the game was played. That’s all it’s saying. It’s taking nothing from Mal, who was, and is, a great. It is not somehow an insult to Queensland or Queenslanders. Not everything is about our states’ division, sometimes I think we need to tone-down the antagonism. We’re all Australians.
September 28th 2012 @ 1:08pm
LRR said | September 28th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Do you realise the ARL, NRL, NSW RL, QLD RL and every other body you say have ‘let Queensland down’ had absolutely nothing to do with this decision?
It was a magazine contest, voted on by some with great league knowledge. Nothing the assosciations could do to change as they played no part.
And if you’re choosing the winner by resume, rather than ability, Norm Provan would have been the clear winner.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:24pm
WQ said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:24pm | Report comment
Bang on LRR, a NSW published magazine!
League lovers in QLD should refuse to buy another copy until this BS is sorted out!
September 28th 2012 @ 7:47pm
josh said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:47pm | Report comment
so what, boycott the magazine, boycott league, in fact do us all a favor and boycott anything which isn’t QLD.
then you can go and print your own magazine, stick to the QLD cup and create your own awards, we couldn’t care less if QLD seceded from the rest of Australia
October 4th 2012 @ 1:26pm
Matt said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
@josh
Re: QLD seceding from Aus.
Funniest comment i’ve read in ages.
Queenslanders in general are very passionate about QLD to the detriment of their state, not just in Rugby League but in business also.
People from Vic, ACT, NSW tend to think of themselves as Aussies first and foremost.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:42am
Robert said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:42am | Report comment
Andrew johns’ off field activities should not prejudice him because of the media attention that is around today.you cant tell me the other ‘immortals’ were squeaky clean off the field and as for Wally Lewis,well less said about his off antics the better
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September 28th 2012 @ 6:52am
eagleJack said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:52am | Report comment
I have seen first hand what many of our games ‘greats’ got up to off field during my uni days (early to mid 00s) working in one of Sydney’s “hip” bars. Turning a blind eye was our specialty and celebrities from all walks of life frequented the establishment because of this. Joey Johns was certainly not alone in his experimentation with recreational drugs. He just happened to be the only one caught (and even then that occurred in London as we always suspected officials in Australia knew of many cases but, like us, they turned a blind eye).
September 28th 2012 @ 8:52am
B.A Sports said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:52am | Report comment
I Agree with you Eaglejack.
Mal Meninga had his own problems steming out of the UK if I recall correctly… Has that little one been signed up by an NRL club yet? must be getting close…
And i remember Meninga having some rage issues in Canberra also. The point being, very few of us don’t have one or two skeletons in our closets.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:46pm
Sparks said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
B.A Sports and eagleJack – Very good points, the both of you.
I guess the over riding message is
never become a public figure on which we can all judge the absolute $%&^ out of for minor indiscretions that the majority get away with.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:45am
Andy said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:45am | Report comment
Insert rumblings from QLD.
September 28th 2012 @ 10:40am
damoinaus said | September 28th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Is Queensland really that upset about Johns’ accolade? Or is the media just stirring?
Surely most Queenslanders recognise just how great a player Joey was…surely.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:13pm
rl said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
I’m from Qld and I’m not jumping up and down.
Limiting it to simply on-field achievements, then Coote & Provan are probably not in the running. Great players, but did they redefine how their positions or the game was played? Probably not. If you were to take in the whole picture of the man, then they are both streets ahead of Meninga and Johns – great men, contributors to their communities.
I can’t really split Johns & Meninga. Both intensely competitive, Johns maybe more freakishly skilled but Mal had a combination of speed, skills & strength that probably weren’t seen in the centres before. Both probably redefined how their respective positions were played. If you were to pick your all-time team, Mal would be a pretty good bet in the centres. But would Johns get picked?
At the end of the day, I’m just not absolutely sure that either player warrants the accolade.
September 28th 2012 @ 11:28am
damoinaus said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
this package that they played on the footy show last night is just spine tingling…what a great player
regardless of your state allegiance, you have to recognise the genius he was on field.
September 28th 2012 @ 11:53am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
I could show you a Mal package twice as good. He also won a Challenge Cup final and i think Grand Final for St Helens, in between winning 3 finals for Canberra and winning 4 UK tours.
Mate you under-estimate big Mal and his acheivements, like i said, i have the Video here to watch Mals highlights. He played in the First Origin game as well, along with Beetson Lewis and Close.
This award was a mistake for the closed minds of this award.
They should be ashamed of themselves, shame.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:29pm
damoinaus said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
In your rant, Oiks, still a complete failure to recognise Johns as an extremely classy player.
Your inability to see the other side of the argument, weakens your own.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:35pm
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
No i did not, if you read all my posts i refer to the fact Big Mal even Norm Proven should have come first. I never doubted Joey’s ability, never have, read the lot, all my posts, i have never questioned Johns as a player. i think he is the best. Half back.
If you can find a post where i questioned Joey’s ability, show me, i put it to you.
September 28th 2012 @ 1:17pm
damoinaus said | September 28th 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Well you have nothing to worry about, judging by the current crop of players in the NRL (and the recently retired Lockyer), there will be plenty of Queenslanders among the next generation of immortals.
September 28th 2012 @ 1:14pm
soapit said | September 28th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
is it just me or is that fittler that lifts the trophy in the aussie jersey about halfway through.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:50am
Bazza said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:50am | Report comment
The meaning of the the word ‘immortal’ includes “incorruptible’” Having acknowledged openly that he had a long history of drug abuse during his playing days, which was covered up,one has to ask if he fits the description of immortal. By taking illicit/illegal drugs he has become corrupted whether we think it is ok to take them or not.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:04am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:04am | Report comment
Even Mal, who by the way is a God, cant make the immortal list, now or ever.
It is a joke now, but Big Mal cant ever ever become a immortal, never. You cant back track and make him immortal, it will be seen as nothing but folly,.
They have now killed off any chance of Proven or Meninga becoming immortals. .
They have killed 2 greats dead, stone cold dead, blackened two of the most respected players to have played the game, nice work fools.
Queensland players now have to take Aurther Beetsons lead, and boycott all future events and functions. You can take our players, but you can never take our freedom.
September 28th 2012 @ 9:19am
Bring Back the Bears said | September 28th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
im·mor·tal (-môrtl)
adj.
1. Not subject to death: immortal deities; the immortal soul.
2. Never to be forgotten; everlasting: immortal words.
3. Of or relating to immortality.
4. Biology Capable of indefinite growth or division. Used of cells in culture.
Bazza I don’t see anything in there about incorruptibility? And oikee, this isn’t a QLD vs NSW thing (the last two entrants were QLDers I might add) and no doubt Lockyer will be next. And to be honest the immortals concept evolved from the NSWRL which is now the NRL so it makes sense that from the current list there are more NSW players. It will even out over time. To be honest I don’t see any current NSW players making this list, while I can see a handful of QLD making the shortlist.
People are getting so up in arms about Joey being a drug cheat, the issue I have with this is the criteria is ‘on-field’ performance only. If he was taking performance enhancing drugs I would understand the argument but with the drugs he was taking that would hinder his performance if anything.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:50pm
Bazza said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
Go to the Concise Oxford Dictionary 9th edition
1a……living forever; not mortal,…1b…divine
2 …….unfading, incorruptible
3……..likely or worthy to be famous for all time.
If the RLW don’t wish to include all aspects of a recipient during his career then give it another title besides immortal. Johns is worthy of being judged a famous player but unfortunately he is not immortal.
September 28th 2012 @ 4:09pm
Bring Back the Bears said | September 28th 2012 @ 4:09pm | Report comment
Yes that’s fine Bazza however incorruptible is an adjective that also describes something that is “not subject to death or decay; everlasting”.
So while while it does mean incorruptible, it doesn’t in the sense that you mean it.
September 28th 2012 @ 11:53pm
Roy said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:53pm | Report comment
Immortal is just a grand title. There is a reasonably specific criteria for the judges to consider in casting their vote. Incorruptibility is not one of those criteria. On-field performance is one of those criteria. How hard is this for people to comprehend?
September 29th 2012 @ 1:32am
Steve said | September 29th 2012 @ 1:32am | Report comment
Well ‘incorruptible’ in the sense of ‘not decaying after death’, like Edward the Confessor. I’m not sure that’s entirely relevant here.
September 29th 2012 @ 1:40am
Steve said | September 29th 2012 @ 1:40am | Report comment
It also means ‘incapable of physically dying’. I’ll let readers try to spot the problem with that one.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:51am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:51am | Report comment
Looks like off field incidents do make a difference. Mals “rats and filth” comments must have really hit the mark.
Neither Meninga or Norm Proven can now become immortals, ever. It will be seen as nothing but a token gesture.
I think it is time Queensland started their own shows, their own halls of fame and other awards. Being lead by the nose by this lot in Sydney is why Arthur Beetson boycotted their award nights and pretend functions.
You really have to respect Beetson, he never faultered on his disgust of the NSW rugby league.
Time for Queensland to have our own awards, before NSW starts to put up the likes of Hindmarsh, Daley, Sterlo and Stuart.
Queenslanders have buckley and none of ever making the list now.
I knew NSW would cock this up, they did not dissapoint.NSW as in the rats and filth, they know who they are.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:22am
crip said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Here’s a name you can give to the Qld award and award night – the Hill Billies!
September 28th 2012 @ 8:59am
crip said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
The guest could arrive on the backs of asses and step onto maroon coloured carpet. The hat racks would out number the guests.
September 28th 2012 @ 9:03am
B.A Sports said | September 28th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
But Oikee
In NSW we are not passionate about our state like you QLD’ers!? So why would we care where someone came from?
Maybe you could start your own, but how would you justify keeping all those great Kiwis out of your QLD Honour role?
September 28th 2012 @ 10:16am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
It’s to late. Like a coach who losers his players, NSW has lost the Queensland public.
No honors or awards or any further survey’s need to be done. Rugby league has lost the faith of the Queensland public.
They are now turning their backs on the game, they have no faith in the people running the game, it does not matter who run this award, it is a award that had alot of merit, now it is tarnished, blackened, credibilty gone.
I knew the amatuer way this code is run would kill it. I have been saying this now for months, and as ussual, the game did not let me down, they again made the wrong call.
John Grant should have stepped in and stopped this from happening, it is like most things rugby league does, it is to late.
The public are already walking, you will notice this, i can guarentee you that, watch for veiwers falling and grassroots rotting on the vine.
September 28th 2012 @ 11:25am
B.A Sports said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
I will be the first to admit the NRL has not been run to the level that other professional sports are being run world wide, but if rugby league had “lost the faith of the QLD public”, then you wouldn’t have had sell outs for Origin and you wouldn’t have had a sell out for the Cowboys home semi, etc, etc…
Oikee, you really should just chill a little. I rarely see anyone actually agreeing with you when you get on your “Pro QLD/ anti NRL” rants. It’s time to take a step back and realise that you don’t actually represent the people of QLD.
September 28th 2012 @ 11:58am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
I am just repeating what most queenslanders on the courier mail site have already said, do i need to give you the link or do you wish to question my facts. Mate it is over 250 comments, all except about 10 similar to what i have posted here. YES, i do represent Queenslanders, very much so, so suck on that.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:06pm
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Here, 320 now, so get that into ya.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/andrew-joey-johns-named-rugby-leagues-8th-immortal/comments-e6frep5x-1226482857272
September 28th 2012 @ 12:13pm
planko said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
They are not publishing people unless they say nice things about mal QLDers are soft….
September 28th 2012 @ 12:58pm
B.A Sports said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Well there you go Oikee, you were right, either you have come up with a whole bunch of different alias’s, which I won’t rule out, or there are many more histerical people in Brisbane. Not one of them is passing a reasonable arguement, so I wouldn’t call on any of them as credible witnesses when you next find yourself in a court of law.
For the record Oikee, I lived in north QLD for three years, I know the follys of the NRL in grassroots up there but I also know they, as a group, are not as… I am struggling to find the right word that is too insulting…. unfortunate as yourself.
Hope your day gets better.
September 28th 2012 @ 9:57am
mike from tari said | September 28th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Tell me something, if it wasn’t for the money that the Sydney clubs paid to get players from QLD where would they be now, the same arguement the Rugby Union have used before they became professional, Rugby League is stealing our players, offering people money to play is not stealing, it is giving people a chance to better their lives, so this QLD hate NSW thing utter bullshit.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:51am
The Greatest Game Of All said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:51am | Report comment
The Immortals are now forever tainted with the inclusion of Johns, who would want to be one now? So many apologists for this man, why?
September 28th 2012 @ 11:01am
Ken said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
I would turn it around the other way, why are there so many detractors? You’d think he killed someone from some of the comments on here.
The guy was caught taking recreational drugs – not something to be lauded but hardly a unique fault, and certainly not a malicious one. The amount of people that have done this in general society, and very likely amongst the playing ranks of professional sport, is huge, although the majority only have to face the humiliation of admitting their problem to close family and friends rather than on national TV.
It’s quite a turn-around really, many former players were lauded for their hard-partying ways. Do you think Johnny Raper had a coffee and a biscuit before the infamous ‘bowler hat’ incident?
The rest of the ‘laundry list’ aired here is pretty tame
‘He was also once suspended for verbally abusing a referee, shunned a presentation of the game ball by former player Jason Taylor after breaking his pointscoring record, and left the NSW coaching staff following racist remarks he made during a training session.’
Plenty of players that have verbally abused referees have been celebrated (King Wally for example was by far Johns’ superior in this department). Can’t remember the Taylor thing, but there are few people that have anything good to say about JT so maybe he had his reasons. The racist remarks – Not a fan of this stuff but the incident itself was fairly minor, it was more of a moronic comment than an insulting one.
Andrew Johns was an amazing footballer who also happened to be a bit of a boofhead – but hardly a terrible human being and I think some of the backlash is out of perspective.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:13pm
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Big Mal should have been a Immortal before Joey, same as Norm Proven should have come before big Mla.
People dont understand, it is not the fact Joey is Immortal, it is the fact this game has no idea.
The game has let the public down, the people running the game. It has all finally mounted up and too much for queenslanderas to take, we have had enough, a gutful.
I myself have said i dont care if Joey is a immortal, but not before Big Mal. The game let me down, trust me, i am very hard to beat up on, i can take alot, but even i can understand what has happened, the game let me down, it must have let down a whole state, and it has. Look at the courier mail responses, the game has failed itself.
The failed to pass a easy test.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:53pm
The Greatest Game Of All said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Its funny youd say that, If he did kill someone, would that have prevented him from getting the award? There would still be people bending over backwards to make him an Immortal. Where does it end? What message does it send to junior footballers? “Ok kids, if you want to make it to the top, practice hard, dont do drugs and…… hang on”. Its a joke, the game has lost its integrity, scrums, referees, robotic athletes, Ch9, Origin selections, Test football, making heroes out of a drug addicted part time racist love me do, no integrity, very, very low standards.
September 28th 2012 @ 6:55am
2 Bob Billy said | September 28th 2012 @ 6:55am | Report comment
Utter disgrace and NSW media love in. What pathetic people. Johns better than Meninga? Haha.. In one stroke the “Immortal” concept just died. What a conga line of suck holes. Thank Heavens the OFFICIAL Hall of Fame is held in much higher esteem than a NSW hack award.
Melbourne to crush Dogs
September 28th 2012 @ 7:04am
eagleJack said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:04am | Report comment
Yes damn those current living Immortals for voting him in. Along with Wayne Bennett and John Grant, 2 blokes who bleed Maroon.
Yes yes yes it’s a conspiracy.
Atleast this award will give you QLDers something ELSE to whinge about now. The Cowboys conspiracy was starting to wane.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:15am
Bazza said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:15am | Report comment
It just shows they did not look up what the meaning of the word immortal included. It means more than ‘living forever’ ‘divine’ and ‘unfading’ etc. If they choose to name players who have been corrupted then they should choose another title.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:45pm
Bring Back the Bears said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
Again Bazza, there is nothing in the definition of immortality that suggests divinity or incorruptibility.
September 28th 2012 @ 12:54pm
Bazza said | September 28th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Again BBtB…….. go to the Concise Oxford Dictionary 9th edition 1995
September 28th 2012 @ 11:57pm
Roy said | September 28th 2012 @ 11:57pm | Report comment
Get a grip Bazza. Maybe the judging panel consulted the relevant evaluation criteria rather than the “Concise Oxford Dictionary 9th edition 1995″. Seriously mate, you’re grasping at straws.
September 29th 2012 @ 1:47am
Steve said | September 29th 2012 @ 1:47am | Report comment
This is getting silly Bazza: ‘immortal’ also means the person can’t die: I suppose you’ll be mounting a campaign to strip the deceased ‘immortals’ of their titles as well.
Please stop misunderstanding the dictionary: you’re confirming all sorts of stereotypes about League fans!
September 28th 2012 @ 1:43pm
Ken said | September 28th 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
What nonsense. How would you define who is ‘corrupted’ and who is not? Who decides?
I suspect that there are few successful young athletes (with surfeits of time and money available) that haven’t at least dabbled in the sex, drugs and rock and roll lifestyle. Are they all ‘corrupted’?
Even St Darren admitted in his autobiography that he got a bit carried away early in his career (although I can’t find the quote now) and also had a gambling problem…. and Meninga was briefly a politician – surely if anyone’s been corrupted it’s him!
September 28th 2012 @ 7:07am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:07am | Report comment
Their will be calls, the game will hear the calls of Aurther Beetson, to boycott as the great man did, he never submited to the fools rats and filth.
No wonder the great man never took any of these awards seriously,. Now we all can see why, he knew the meaningless nature of these awards, run by a pack of donkeys.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:18am
Chris said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:18am | Report comment
Oh yes… Artie Beetson. You would think if he hated NSW that much he would have “boycotted” wearing the Sky Blue jersey on no less than 18 occasions against Queensland.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:27am
crip said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Yeah. No one was holding a gun to his head. Maybe he was proud to wear that jersey mate.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:19am
Chris said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:19am | Report comment
The thing that Queenslanders never seem to understand is that no-one in any other state actually cares what state they are from. The rest of the country just identifies as “Australian”.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:29am
oikee said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
Queensland should start the ball rolling and become our own country.
It all in the name, QUEENS—LAND. No more being lead by fools from the south, it is time to make Big Clive President of Queensland.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:52pm
josh said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
quit with the idle threats and just do it. you’ll find that the rest of us simply do not care.
the way QLD has reacted to the bestowing of an honor on a football player is embarrassing – what’s next, burning effigies, perhaps a riot in hyde park is in order.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:58am
CrossIT said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
That is why we have seven in a row…