Quade Cooper has been locked out of his Castle
By Joe Frost, 28 Sep 2012 Joe Frost is a Roar Guru
Quade Cooper’s comments on Thursday evening about rugby “destroying” him sounded like Dennis Denuto, the inept lawyer from The Castle, pleading his case.
“For me to continue to improve as a player and as a person you want to be in the best possible environment, and I feel that that environment is destroying me as a person and as a player,” Cooper told Fox Sports.
The word ‘environment’ was to feature more than a few times in Cooper’s list of complaints, to the point it became reminiscent of Denuto’s famously useless “it’s the vibe” line of argument.
Because if we examine Cooper’s specific line of complaints, it’s pretty hard to see how they would be destroying him – as a player or as a person.
The complaints expanded upon were the lack of a national training facility for the Wallabies to operate out of and the defensive style of play they’ve adopted of late.
The Wallabies used to have a base of operations, most recently at Coffs Harbour on the NSW mid North coast. The camp, based in the luxury Novotel resort, was heavily used during Eddie Jones’ reign as Wallabies coach, before being quietly abandoned under John Connolly.
Connolly’s reasoning for spending less time at Coffs Harbour was so that the team would, instead, spend more time in the city they would be playing their next Test in.
It’s a sound line of reasoning – over the eight weeks the Rugby Championship is to be played over, the Wallabies play in Sydney, Auckland, Perth, Gold Coast, Pretoria and Rossario. That’s games played in four different countries and on both sides of the Australian continent – which may not require a passport but is no short haul flight.
Would it make sense for the Wallabies to make a trip back to one central location in between every single one of these games?
More to the point, how would we pick a location for this base of operations? The Wallabies are the Australian national side, in a game with a truly national footprint. I’m sure it would be nice for Quade to travel a few hours down the coast to Coffs Harbour and call that home for two months, but is that fair on the players from Canberra, Perth or Melbourne?
Being on the road is simply the nature of the beast for the two month season the Wallabies are playing. It’s hardly the fault of Robbie Deans or the ARU.
As to the style of rugby the Wallabies are playing, fair enough that may be frustrating for a player like Quade Cooper. But this is an issue for him to fix.
The All Blacks play an expansive style of rugby because they have dominant attacking players which see them win playing this way.
On the flip side, the English side played a conservative game, based on solid set pieces and a brilliant kicker, to win the World Cup in 2003. They played this way because their players were dominant at that style of play.
Cooper hasn’t been dominant at international level. If his razzle-dazzle style of play had seen the Wallabies beat the All Blacks, or even consistently push them all the way, then that’s the style the Wallabies would play every week.
If he were to stamp his authority for a whole international season – instead of the occasional game here and there – Deans would be forced to start implementing a game plan which suited Cooper’s style.
I’m sure Deans would prefer his side played an expansive style of rugby, which virtually assured four try bonus points each week. But Cooper’s game doesn’t win enough games consistently to be catered to, so Deans looks to win in whatever fashion seems most likely.
The pity of this situation is that anyone who has been watching the current situation with the Wallabies unfold expected more from Cooper. That he would actually point some fingers, name some names and force some changes at the ARU, which seem needed.
Because, much like the Kerrigan family being forcibly removed from their home in The Castle, something feels wrong with the situation our national team find themselves in.
Call it a vibe.
Just not the environment.
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September 28th 2012 @ 7:29am
mania said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
and the serenity, u can just feel the serenity.
October 5th 2012 @ 6:28am
Dan said | October 5th 2012 @ 6:28am | Report comment
the main problem with quade is quade full stop.
his immaturity, gagging to be in the spotlight etc not a reall wallabies asshxle really.
No doubting his talent, his potential is incredible shame its in the vessel of a 15 year old…
If he swaps to league he will get smashed as his defence is not a strong point of his probably from being a protected species.
QC fxck off you had the red carpet rolled out to you and you have wiped your ass on it and handed it back..
September 28th 2012 @ 7:47am
Dcnz said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
game over for quade ….
September 28th 2012 @ 8:14am
kingplaymaker said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
Looks like Stephen Moore agrees :”Very hard to compare a provincial home-based program with the Wallabies system which is a travelling program,”.
September 28th 2012 @ 7:56am
hog said | September 28th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Well said!
September 28th 2012 @ 8:04am
kingplaymaker said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Brilliant stuff.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:14am
p.Tah said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
Players can have issues with teams and coaches but as said ad nauseum you don’t do it publicly in such an amateur way as he has. What coach worth his salt would want a divisive character as this in his team? Not one would. If he thinks he can go to the NRL I think he is in for a shock. They’re don’t accept fools who try to hold them to ransom.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:32am
Christo the Daddyo said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Yeah, this is the interesting thing about this whole sorry saga. Cooper clearly wants out of rugby and seems to be deliberately burning as many bridges as he can in order to achieve that aim. But how likely is an NRL club to want him if he’s exhibiting this sort of narcissistic behaviour?
Seems to have a vastly inflated sense of his own worth, and has either been incredibly poorly managed, or he’s ignoring good management advice.
Either way, he seems unlikely to be playing football of any code any time soon.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:40am
Harry said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
IMO the real situation is Cooper’s MANAGER clearly wants out of rugby …
I expect Quade will end up in France next year, or possibly the UK, or even the Stormers. Japan’s already underway and NRL all too hard.
IMO thats not in his best interests but anyway, life goes on.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:25am
nickoldschool said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Nice read.
To be fair, I do think it’s good for a national team in any sport to have ‘headquarters’ i.e some top notch training facilities where they meet and train. Whether its in coffs or elsewhere doesn’t matter really, but I think it’s important for the group to have their own training centre especially as the wallabies spend a long time together during the year. I actually though coffs was a pretty good choice considering 90% of the players are from the nsw/qld area. France had the same issue until they built Marcoussis training centre near Paris a decade ago.
The problem with last night intervention was that I think QC was using this excuse of ‘not having the right facilities’ as an objection, meaning it would have been something else if we actually had a training centre. I can understand that a bloke doesn’t like the training facilities or feels they are third world standard compare to others but to use it as one of the main reasonsw hy you do NOT want to wear your national colours is just ludicrous and laughable IMO.
September 28th 2012 @ 2:21pm
Jonathan said | September 28th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Nick, I think the argument against a dedicated training facility for the wallabies is duplication with equivalent setups at the provincial (& even elite school) level. Given that a national training centre is used for relatively short periods, it’s an argument I’d agree with.
Your second point however, I reckon is spot-on, and is the more important one… If the concern about a lack of dedicated facilities is genuinely shared by a majority of the players, then the best avenue for addressing this is through the Players Union. This very public dummy-spit suggests that either this gripe isn’t widely-supported, or it’s about something else… or the PU aren’t representing effectively.
September 28th 2012 @ 3:44pm
nickoldschool said | September 28th 2012 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
what you said about not having dedicated training facilities makes sense Jonathan and i quite agree with the points you made. I certainly dont think we should start building a brand new/costly one.
I dont really know what’s in Coffs but i imagine the training grounds and gym are pretty good standard and enough for the wallabies. What I mean is that I think its good to have one venue which acts as ‘the’ main wallabies centre. If Coffs isnt good enough, the wallabies could certainly select one major training centre used at provincial level and adopt it as their base. I just think it makes things easier logistically to have one venue dedicated to the national squad (I actually think Canberra would be great as it is isolated enough to work well and still an hour flight max from most grounds. Plus there are some fantastic facilities/space there).
September 28th 2012 @ 8:26am
Johnno said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
The thing that annoyed me about Quade is this. I think the ARU are a mess but if i was going to stay stuff i’d back it up.
Quade last night was a coward, or no longer believed what he thought about wallabies being toxic.
-He ducked ripping into deans when he had a chance at the questions asked. He never once mentioned JON or Nucifora to blame, he said his manger would speak to the ARU. But he didn’t say he would or what he would talk to them about he tried to duck the question.
-Basically the interview failed to live up to the hype. Only confirming overtime Quade is on the big stage he chickens out or shows no guts.
-If your going to make big statements back it up. I think the ARU are a mess, sack JON, Deans and Nucifora all of them but i’d have the guts to say it not chicken out after i make big tweets. The no high performance is nonsense, has nothing g ot do with the national team failing.
-I’d hate to have Qaude on a high school debating team. Awful, he is a flake. The interview was all over the place Qaude went round in circles and flaked around. Sad thing was as well the ARU are a mess , but coz he was so hopeless in explaining why, or too much of a coward , he actually made JON, Nucifora, and deans look better than they are. Sack em all and sack Qaude too 4 amigos now and clowns. No wonder aussy rugby is such in a bad state of affairs.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:31am
hog said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
And you expected a hard hitting interview on the Rugby Club.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:41am
Red Kev said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Remember he’d gotten slapped with a sanction and warning letter 5 hours earlier Johnno. Also remember he has never been accused of being a genius so if you were expecting polished communication I think you might have been in wishful thinking land.
But you’re right about the rest. Sack the lot of them.
I’d actually offer Quade a harsh sanction and 1 year Wallaby ban, but that is because I believe he’ll be needed to grow the code. I’d still be happy with firing him.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:51am
Harry said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Red Kev Queensland and Australiaqn rugby union survived before Quade and his manager, and will survive post him – particularly in Queensland. Players like Horwill and Genia will be there, and there are a lot of good up and comers.
We can’t have this sort of nonsense going on any longer.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:57am
Red Kev said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
What sort of nonsense would that be?
Inconsistent Wallabies? 22 injured players for the Wallabies? Players being deemed fit enough to play and reinjuring themselves immediately while at the Wallabies?
Or Cooper speaking truth?
If Quade walks I would think Reds members would be able to demand a refund. Watch crowd numbers fall away if he does.
September 28th 2012 @ 9:10am
Harry said | September 28th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Sure the ARU needs a cleanout, starting with the time serving CEO. But having Khoder Nasser dictate it to you is not on.
Red Kev, I can only speak for myself. I have been a passionate supporter of the Queensland rugby union team since I could remember – and I’m the wrong side of 50. I’ve been a member for the last 14 years. That won’t change whether Quade Cooper is playing for Queensland, or not.
September 28th 2012 @ 9:27am
Red Kev said | September 28th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
You all assume Nasser is puppetting QC or that he is somehow doing this for sinister motives. I hope you’re all wrong.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:45am
Harry said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Pretty much agree with these sentiments – I’m over the whole saga.
The only one doing himself and his organisation credit in this whole mess is the Reds CEO Jim Carmichael. Even if (well, when) Quade reneges on his contract to play for the Reds, the organisation is well protected.
By the way, rugby fans should be aware that ARU CEO Jon O’Neill is under heavy pressure at Echo, the company where he is Chairman, they just “let the CEO go” and James Packer is lurking. Self-evidently JON is not giving ARU administration the 100% focus it needs.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:39am
Kippa said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
Sadly he has listened to his manager who has shown him a loop hole. If the ARU do not get a signed contract, the Reds contract is only usefull as TP. This then free’s him up to play league. As he said last night money is not the concern for him. If the ARU do not sign him (which lets face it, ain’t gunna happen), then he can walk. He shows the Reds he has done all he can so once his year deal at the Roosters is up, (riden in on the Coattails of SBW as a 2 for 1 deal), if he is not given a new contract he can always go back to the Reds.
Is it just me or can everyone see this…………….
September 28th 2012 @ 8:47am
Harry said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
No thats the gameplan – Khoder loves double-crossing organisations like the ARU, QRU, the Bulldogs and ARL. Just look at the track record.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:58am
Grimmace said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Just on that. If he doesn’t get an ARU contract, he can’t play for ther reds seems to be the vibe. How does it work for guys who play for the reds but don’t have an ARU component of their conrtract? Or do all S15 players in Aust have an ARU contract even if they don’t make the Wallabies?
I thought his manager wasn’t registered with the NRL any more, how would a League contract be negotiated without chaning managers, 3rd party?
September 28th 2012 @ 9:11am
chris said | September 28th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Cooper’s contract with the reds probably has an out clause, similar to bond clause when you purchase a house, in terms of which he can “cancel” the contract with the Reds if the ARU doesn’t come through with a top-up.
September 28th 2012 @ 9:16am
Grimmace said | September 28th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Good point. If that’s the case it flys in the face of his “I love playing for the reds” and “its not about the money” comments
September 28th 2012 @ 9:41am
Kippa said | September 28th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Exactly.
This is a smoke screen and nothing else.
He will have one year to show if can secure a further NRL contract, if not it will be Quade Who(oper).
It just goes to show that Union in this country is going backwards at a very fast rate.
September 28th 2012 @ 4:54pm
El Gamba said | September 28th 2012 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
I’m pretty sure that all players are contracted to the ARU, not all players get a ‘top-up’ though so for these it is just a formality.
September 28th 2012 @ 5:12pm
GWS said | September 28th 2012 @ 5:12pm | Report comment
By which time we have a new wb coach who wants to play to win
September 28th 2012 @ 8:46am
Skip said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Please correct me if I am wrong but Quades Comments remind me of some of the comments SBW was making before he left the Bulldogs.
*Not about the money
*Being Happy
*Becomming a better person player…bla bla bla.
As for training facilities, what horse sh#t, Given the opportunity most Australians would train on broken glass in bare feet to represent thier country.
I am sure the boys in Afghanastan would like to swap with Quade and his toxic enviroment and uncomfortable facilities.
September 28th 2012 @ 8:54am
Sailosi said | September 28th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Unfortunately for Quade his confidence far outweighs his ability and whilst this is ever the case he will continue to look foolish. If Quade felt so strongly about the problems he was facing he should have personally requested a meeting with O’neill, Nucifora and Deans.
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