What does the Immortals title really mean?
By JezRu, 1 Oct 2012 JezRu is a Roar Rookie
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Andrew Johns while playing for the Newcastle Knights in 2006. Johns was announced as the eighth Rugby League Immortal overnight (AAP Image/Action Photographics/Grant Trouville)
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With the recent induction of Andrew ‘Joey’ Johns onto the ‘Immortals’ list, I thought it worthy to ask why it is we are using a publishing firm’s concept as the major gauge for legends of our game?
The Immortals concept was devised by Rugby League Week in 1981 and the four players listed (Churchill, Gasnier, Raper and Fulton) were all regarded as some of the best to have ever played the game (post WWII). However this still was only a reflection of the then-judges and of course the magazine.
At no stage in its history has RLW or the Immortals been officially recognised. They were not affiliated with the then-NSWRL, never with the ARL and still today have no connection with the NRL or ARLC.
I grew up with the four Immortals as legends of our game; never did I feel that players from my era needed to be added to the list. It was a promotion for the magazine at the time and a very good one at that.
So for me, it really doesn’t mean a lot to have Joey added to this list, as it didn’t when The King, Changa or Big Artie were added.
The Immortals concept I grew up with is no more. It was re-hatched to drive interest and sales and, as such, has lost all its lustre.
I only hope the powers that be realise that this accolade in reality means little and that the Hall of Fame, which promised so much, must be the official means by which legends of our game are recognised.
Rugby league has always been a people’s game; they should be able to walk through a room and admire the feats of their heroes, where the price of admission goes back into the game and not to a publishing firm’s coffers.
Oh, and I would have gone for Norm Provan as the eighth.
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October 1st 2012 @ 7:13am
steve b said | October 1st 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
The way the immortals are chosen is flawed , why don’t they get real and make it the oldest one in line first instead of jumping all over the place .It really dosen’t have much credability when you look at the players in the past who haven’t been chosen , When you look at guye like Coote , Provan , Kelly just to name a few that should be their , it s just a marketing ploy and for mine has left far to many out to be taken seriously ….
October 1st 2012 @ 8:21am
Dayer said | October 1st 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
I agree TOTALLY with you, Steve B. I have lost that seriousness to the whole concept of the immortals thing. it does not have any credibility with me anymore.
October 1st 2012 @ 8:12pm
matthewthorpe said | October 1st 2012 @ 8:12pm | Report comment
they still have some of the best in the game choosing the next immortal, the likes of bennett, ray warren and phil rothfield all know their footy, whether u like them or not.
but the arlc should try to make the hall of fame more important than being an immortal
October 1st 2012 @ 8:03am
Rabbitz said | October 1st 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
It is a marketing campaign by a magazine. Nothing more or nothing less.
Other than that it really has no meaning.
October 2nd 2012 @ 10:25am
damoinaus said | October 2nd 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Agree with you there Rabbitz. RLW is a private enterprise, so however they choose to go about the selection process, marketing and so on, is totally their business. Whether the public views the immortals concept as the highest of honours or just a stuffy old boys club, I’m sure the magazine will still be chuffed either way, because their brand is mentioned over and over again.
You have to admit, it’s quite a gathering of talent. Difficult to dispute they’re some of the game’s greatest.
October 1st 2012 @ 9:00am
oikee said | October 1st 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Joey should have been inducted, but not before players like Norm and Mal, it is too late now, the concept is strained, like a dirty oiled rag.
You cant induct any players older than Johns now, it just wont work, it will be seen as nothing more than a token jesture.
And leaving Mal and Norm off Immortal status is a styain on the game.
Lets face facts, the people who voted this in have done the game a injustice. Forget about it, no more Queenslanders should ever get the award, or take the award, boycot the sucker.
October 1st 2012 @ 1:24pm
peeeko said | October 1st 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Who are you to question the judgement of past greats and experts? They picked Joey
October 1st 2012 @ 2:17pm
JezRu said | October 1st 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
peeko I think in this regard it will be questioned simply because it is a marketing strategy by a magazine. To think RLW did not have an idea who they would like to be the 8th immortal would be naive. They wish to sell magazines and to have Norm Provan on the cover (to them) would not appeal to the audience they are targeting. Andrew Johns is a recognisable face and figure of the modern game and as such appeals to a much wider audience which equals more paying customers. At the end of the day that is what this is about.
October 2nd 2012 @ 2:20pm
peeeko said | October 2nd 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
How many games do you think oikee saw proven play? I get your point about sales, but I sincerely believe the voting process was completely above board and beyond bias in this case
October 2nd 2012 @ 3:16pm
oikee said | October 2nd 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
I seen all of Meninga’s, shame NSW shame, shame Fulton shame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal_Meninga
This game ought to be ashamed of itself for not already having Meninga as a Immortal.
In PNG he is considered a God.
In Australia, shame.
John Grant has to come forawrd, scrape this immortal nonsense and announce a real award for our legends of the game. Even England is laughing at us.
Big Mla is revered in England, being awarded the highest honer in England as well. read the Wikipedia site, read it.
This game is kidding itself.
Meninga’s records are for all to see, the world to see, they would be scratching there heads in amazement at our pathetic awarding of legends, greats, and so-called Immortals. SHAME.
October 2nd 2012 @ 10:43pm
peeeko said | October 2nd 2012 @ 10:43pm | Report comment
have you ever left queensland? what does mal being a so called god in PNG got to do with the immortals? i am pretty sure that 95% of english people have never heard of mal or joey. as for a NSW conspiracy , please explain how mal got in the team of the century? it was bevcause of a queensland vote whilst the NSW vote was spread over several candidates (fulton,langlands,rogers and cronin). are you related to big mal?
October 1st 2012 @ 9:29am
ken oldman said | October 1st 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
If it really has no meaning,then why is it that the NRL. promote it by giving the red carpet treatment to the latest immortal in front of 83000 fans and a massive TV audience at the grand final
To me it has no credibility anymore but I am just your average fan,,,who no one listens too , and what do I know about great footballers
Does anyone know who were the 13 chosen judges apart from the 5 immortals who chose Johns.,for I don,t read the RLW.
We all know that 3 of the most knowledgeable RL men of their time in Frank Hyde. Tom Goodman and Harry Bath.picked the original 4and would be interesting to find out just who picked the last
October 1st 2012 @ 2:25pm
JezRu said | October 1st 2012 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
It seems to me Ken that the NRL simply use the Immortals tag and concept as the easier alternative than investing their own time and money into the Hall of Fame which has been left sitting stagnant since 2007. I am sure RLW loved the GF display with the Black Hawk and such….great promotion for them.
As for the judges; Wayne Bennett, Ray Warren, John Grant, David Middleton, Ray Hadley, Phil Rothfield, Roy Masters, Geoff Prenter, Ian Heads, Norman Tasker, Tony Durkin, Martin Lenehan, Mitchell Dale and the other living immortals.
October 2nd 2012 @ 8:54am
ken oldman said | October 2nd 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
thanks JezRu……….am sure many R.l fans were like me ,not aware of who the judges were. seems a pretty fair panel
October 2nd 2012 @ 10:45pm
peeeko said | October 2nd 2012 @ 10:45pm | Report comment
oikee should have been on the panel!
October 1st 2012 @ 9:40am
Cugel said | October 1st 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Quote from the 18 June 1981 RLW. “Name the four greatest players since the War, and you could win magnificent prizes” In the eyes of some, this doesn’t exactly impart a sheen of authenticity or gravitas
October 1st 2012 @ 9:41am
Dean - Surry Hills said | October 1st 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Yeh, we should get rid of the TV Week Logie Awards as well.
How dare they.
October 1st 2012 @ 9:52am
Ken said | October 1st 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
What is it that confers meaning or significance upon anything? It’s a well-known and exclusive selection – that’s about it, any meaning that we wish to bestow upon it is up to us. Would it really be more important in your eyes if sanctioned by the official governing body? Why?
October 1st 2012 @ 2:09pm
JezRu said | October 1st 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Ken I don’t really want the ‘immortals’ concept sanctioned by the league. That is the concept of RLW. A magazine whose sole purpose is to sell magazines. Our awards or accolades should not be held in such little regard. These greats of our game deserve to be honoured in an official capacity and also have a place at HQ where the public can witness an exhibition to these greats. What happens to the ‘immortals’ when RLW decides to shut up publication? After all they own it.
October 1st 2012 @ 9:49pm
Ken said | October 1st 2012 @ 9:49pm | Report comment
Fair enough on the greats deserving an exhibition (basically a museum?) to celebrate the history of the game. My point was mainly whether chosen by a League board or via journalists, the relative meaning or significance of any honour is about the regard it’s held by us, the fans.
With your point on them shutting down though, I can’t help but point out there’s been 5 official organisations (NSWRL, ARL, SL, NRL, ALRC) that could have been considered to be running Rugby League (in Aust) in the last 20 years…. RLW has been in continuous publication for twice that. Where’s the bigger danger? In all likelihood though, if RLW were to close tomorrow the immortals concept would likely be picked up by somebody and continued – ironically probably the official body.
October 1st 2012 @ 12:09pm
2BB (AKA 2 Bob Billy) said | October 1st 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
It has no meaning and represents the interests of a magazine. It is NOT official.
Hall of Fame is Official.
Read nothing into it.
October 1st 2012 @ 1:53pm
Sydkiwi said | October 1st 2012 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
im suprised Big mal missed out, which was unfortunate i really think they shouldve stuck with inducting the older players first like provan.
October 1st 2012 @ 3:05pm
poop said | October 1st 2012 @ 3:05pm | Report comment
andrew johns is the best halfback to play the game m8