CAMPO: Australian rugby at the lowest ebb I’ve ever seen it
By David Campese, 4 Oct 2012 David Campese is a Roar Expert
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The New Zealand All Black's Cory Jane (l) competes for the ball with Will Genia of Australian Wallabies during the Bledisloe Cup rugby union test match (AAP Image/Paul Miller)
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On the weekend we saw two teams that were under significant pressure to perform. The Springboks at home lifted their game, knowing how fickle their supporters can be. The Wallabies, on the other hand, were awful.
They are not the team that they could be.
In fact, it was quite frightening to witness, again, just how far Australian rugby has fallen.
Look at the unfortunate attempt at a tackle by the Aussie fullback as an example.
How many Tests has he played? Yet he still put his head directly in front of player lunging for the line to stop him.
I tell the kids that you never put your head in front of another player. It’s a fundamental basic of the game.
He was knocked out as a result. It’s a simple schoolboy error, and I ask why it’s happening at that level?
I would love to know what these guys are doing at training. There seems to be a lack of focus on the basics and the scary fact is that serious injuries can occur as a result.
I cannot stress enough that Australia need to get back to simple, basic rugby. Get someone in there who can instill the team with the fighting spirit they used to have and play for each other.
Cooper has come out and said he doesn’t want to play for the Wallabies because of the ‘toxic environment’ of the camp. That is a fairly alarming comment for us as the public.
It reveals, finally, from a player’s perspective the truth of what is going on behind close doors.
And what a shame.
Cooper is a remarkable talent, yet instead of being nurtured and moulded, he has been hung out to dry by his coach through over exposure to the media, and a lack of discipline and direction.
Players like him don’t come around that often and it looks very much like our opportunity to mould him into greatness has been lost.
Players need to be reminded that it’s about the team, the performance, and all who have gone before them in the jersey. There are too many selfish players in this team and they’re not working hard enough for each other on the field.
And then there’s all the injuries the team have suffered this year. It’s unacceptable.
What are the trainers doing?
Look at the All Blacks, by comparison, who have been through just as much rugby, but with a fraction of the same player problems.
It seems that league is still having far too much influence in Australian rugby. The ex-Leaguies in the game are not helping at all; they’re actually destroying the game.
And Deans has done a very poor job managing his bench, which has contributed to the injury toll. On the weekend, remarkably, it even led to the Wallabies using up their replacements with nearly 10 minutes left on the clock. Schoolboy mistakes.
It all comes back to the truth that there are a lot of problems off the field, which are starting to come onto the field.
Australian rugby is at the lowest ebb I’ve ever seen it: there is no discernible pattern of play, we have two centers who don’t pass the ball, and we don’t play as a team.
Deans may as well send out 15 forwards to smash the ball up, such is the lack of impact the backs are having.
We need to get someone in there to inspire the team, to talk about Australian rugby, its history, and how we won two World Cups.
The players have clearly had enough with the current set-up. There’s no spirit, no heart and no inspiration there. They just don’t care.
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October 4th 2012 @ 12:31am
Ben.S said | October 4th 2012 @ 12:31am | Report comment
AAC literally put his head on the line to stop a try. He’s a warrior on the pitch. It’s pretty unpalatable to read the above criticism of him. He may not be the most skilled player to pull on a Wallaby jersey, but as an Englishman I have a huge amount of respect for him.
October 4th 2012 @ 4:56am
mania said | October 4th 2012 @ 4:56am | Report comment
agree ben, it was a spit second mistake. sure it was horribly bad technique but the speed that aac came in at and the commitment that he hit that tackle with took courage and a total disregard for his own safety to try and stop a try which seemed for all moeny unstoppable. stupid u may call it but all aac wanted to do was to stop that try and he did.
October 4th 2012 @ 7:13am
WQ said | October 4th 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
Well said BenS, I think that statement from Campese shows just how far removed he is from the reality of Australian Rugby!
October 4th 2012 @ 9:14am
Happy Hooker said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
That’s rich coming from CAMPO!
He never put anything in front of an opponent in an attempt to make a tackle.
October 4th 2012 @ 9:50am
Funk said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
He stuck out an arm every now and then and got spun like a turnstile!
October 4th 2012 @ 7:50am
stillmissit said | October 4th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
NO Ben.S – There is no excuse for such a basic mistake. Now I want to state that I am an AAC fan, he has rarely gone walkabout when many in the team seem to be looking for another planet rather than a walkabout. I think Campese’s argument holds, the basic skills are just not there. I was speaking to a kiwi coach who works around the world in rugby and he knows what goes on in AB’s training. He said the focus on skills is just about non stop, when they are doing their reps in the gym they do passing exercises designed by Wayne Smith during the breaks rather than stand around chatting to their mates.
I have argued before that there are a lot of things going wrong in our rugby and basic skills is a big one of them.
October 4th 2012 @ 8:04am
Ben.S said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
I don’t disagree that some of the Wallaby players have poor skills, but then I suspect it’s the same with all nations. All Test sides have players with ridiculous skills, and others less so – for every JOC there is a McCabe. For every O’Driscoll a Rob Henderson etc. When has AAC ever done this before? He threw himself in front of a speeding attacker. I call that courage.
October 4th 2012 @ 9:10am
mania said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
ben.S – agree massive courage. 99.9999 out of 100 that try would’ve been unstoppable. despite that aac still put everything into it and actually stopped it. kirchner was practically over the line but aac hit a sweet spot causing the tip of his ankle to brush the touch line. that is the epitome of courage. technique 0%, courage 110%
campo’s being overly harsh and disrespectful to aac.
October 4th 2012 @ 10:01am
Hoy said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
It isn’t disrespectful to say he had poor technique in that tackle. That it worked doesn’t change the fact that he had his head in front of the tackler, and that is a plum way to get knocked out. And guess what happened?
October 4th 2012 @ 10:24am
mania said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
hoy – it is disrespectful not to even use AAC’s name and just call him the ”Aussie fullback”
October 4th 2012 @ 10:06am
sheek said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Ben,
To support what a few others have said, courage isn’t at issue here. The basic skills of many Wallabies are poor, & this must be rectified.
What’s the point of AAC being courageous if he is going to injure himself regularly through poor technique? What’s the point of a prop continually displaying poor technique if it’s going to lead him to become physically impaired?
Good technique prevents injuries. It won’t stop them, but it reduces their potential. Furthermore, the better sides have better skills.
The guy who passes the ball iin front of & at the stomach of his team mate running at pace in a tight situation, can often lead to a try. If a team mate has to reach for a ball above his head, or at his feet, he can lose vital seconds that allows the defence to stabilise.
Campo’s point is not about AAC’s courage, but the overall lack of basic skills of many Wallabies. This is a problem that goes to the heart of our domestic structures & quality of coaching at all levels.
October 4th 2012 @ 10:32am
Albo said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
But that’s the issue Sheek. There are a heap of other examples of poor technique in the Australian team. Why use this particular one? You only have to go back a handful of Campo articles to find him talking about lack of passion/pride in the jersey. Someone puts his body and career on the line and he brings it up as a prime example of lack of skills in the Australian team, and without even using his name.
Everyone knows the technique was terrible. It’s just not necessary or fair to AAC, to use it as an example of the wider problem in Australian rugby.
Campo spent his career taking sometimes unnecessary risks to achieve impossible results with often amazing results. He should see this as the same thing.
October 4th 2012 @ 10:41am
mania said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
wow albo nicely said
October 4th 2012 @ 11:00am
sheek said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Albo,
I don’t follow you – is Campo at fault because he chose AAC as his example? Is he now being chastised for whichever example he chooses to use?
Will the message be lost because we don’t like the example, or perhaps we don’t even like the messenger?
I don’t see Campo having any go whatsoever at AAC’s courage. He it all about his technique, poor technique, from a very experienced Wallaby.
I guess that’s why he chose AAC as an example, because he’s a very experienced Wallaby mmaking a very basic mistake.
I read it differently – it’s all about the poor technique shown, not the great courage displayed.
October 4th 2012 @ 11:09am
Ben.S said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
If this was a regular occurrence, sheek, then fair enough, but it’s petty points scoring. I’m sure there are better examples to use re poor skills. I can’t recall ever seeing AAC bumped or knocked out before in a tackle?
Re player skills. In 2010 the Wallaby side played some outstanding rugby. I don’t believe those players have lost those skills since then. I simply think Deans is bent on pursuing a limited and conservative game plan that has chipped away at the confidence of the players and just doesn’t suit them. Time will tell…
Edit: just read what Albo said. Seconded.
October 4th 2012 @ 11:49am
Albo said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Sheek as Ben S said it’s just the petty point scoring which is disappointing. As supporters of the Wallabies you and I and every WB roarer haven’t had too many proud moments in this championship. AAC’s tackle showed a guts that we have been missing and I think the concussion itself is lesson enough, rather than been taken to task for poor technique. Especially when there is so many other shortcomings in the performance that can be aimed at.
Look, in the scheme of things it’s one paragraph in amongst a lot of support from the crowd. The reaction comes not so much for bringing it up, but feeling the need to bring it up in a negative context. I don’t think there is one person on here who needs to be told that it wasn’t AAC’s most perfect hit.
October 4th 2012 @ 12:42pm
hoqni said | October 4th 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
Split second, and you call it bad technique? Definitely there was courage, and belief that he could complete the tackle. You have to respect the man for having the courage to come in on the 10 percent chance of success of the tackle.
Was he not putting his body on the line? the so called requirement of a great Wallaby?
October 4th 2012 @ 5:31pm
Gnostic said | October 4th 2012 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
Indeed Campo could just as easily picked TPN’s woeful technique that will end with him seriously hurt or prematurely retired. Willie O, Daniel Manu and Illie Tabua were all feared tacklers in their days just as much as TPN but none of those I mentioned ever tackled with their head in the wrong position that TPN does match after match. I do not question his courage, or drive just the technique that has not been addressed.
Amazing the first comment about the article is to nit pick a small example and doesn’t go anywhere near touching the core of the subject matter.
Campo is very well known for telling the truth as he sees it and in matters Rugby I challenge anyone to show were he has been wrong about trends in the game. It speaks volumes to me that Campo here has spoken against the actions of Cooper in that he broke from the team and acted in a manner which can be seen as selfish. He does not condemn or deride Cooper but rather points out this action is a symptom of a larger malaise in Australian Rugby. People would do well to shelve their predjudices for a moment and consider rationally what he has said their, baring in mind these are the thought of a man not remiss in giving an individual a bagging if he feels it is warranted.
October 4th 2012 @ 11:52am
stillmissit said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
OK Guys lets take this to the next logical level, what would you lot be saying today if AAC had died? I bet it would be a different story, there would be calls to improve the techniques and some would be calling for helmets and the rest of it.
AAC’s courage is not in doubt he has proven it many times over but to do that, which should be an autonomic reaction from a professional, is a sign that all is not well in the area of basic skills.
October 4th 2012 @ 12:16pm
Albo said | October 4th 2012 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
If AAC makes an average 4 tackles per game, that means he has made a combined 664 tackles for his state(s) and country.
One tackle gone awry (even if there have been a couple more at provincial level) doesn’t suggest a lack of technique. It was a screw up.
I saw Matt Burke drop high balls, yet he was considered safe as houses.
I’ve seen Johnny Wilkinson miss a few from in front, yet there is no doubt he is one of the great kickers.
It was one tackle that he went about the wrong way. It is not the correct example about the Wallabies lack of basic skills.
October 4th 2012 @ 8:03am
Jimbo Jones said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Well said mate. If only we could find 14 other blokes with his commitment to pull on the Wallabies jersey..
October 4th 2012 @ 8:34am
Albo said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
I agree 110% Ben. And I think that if you go to the effort of getting knocked out for your country (correct technique or not), the least Campo can do is mention him by name as opposed to the “Aussie Fullback”.
I know there’s a highlight reel floating around with Campo’s best attacking moves. Can we get one on his defensive technique?
October 4th 2012 @ 8:55am
jameswm said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Campo’s dead right. Players old and young tackle with their head in front all the time. It was a left shoulder tackle, AAC’s right-handed, so he put his head in front as often happens.
Whilst it was a split-second decision, that’s the point. AAC’s instincts told him to tackle with his right shoulder, rather than put his head on the bum. All because he’s been poorly coached.
I have a feeling that the Ausies are too big for their boots. The ABs will do what they’re told on the other hand.
October 4th 2012 @ 9:16am
mania said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
jameswm – whilst i agree that there r Ausies too big for their boots AAC def isnt one of them. if any aussie epitomises pride and the willingness to do anything and bleed for the jersey aac woul be it
October 4th 2012 @ 9:21am
jameswm said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Sorry mania – my two comments (how AAC’s been coached and players too big for their boots) are not related which isn’t clear. I agree AAC puts it all on the line and I admire him for that too.
What I mean is like what happened at the Brumbies before – their coach wanted to go back to basics and the players rebelled. I think Deans might have to pander to too many egos. The Wallabies need a Henry schoolteacher type – do what you’re bl…. well told, who is backed by the ARU Board.
October 4th 2012 @ 9:28am
Jutsie said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
When deans came in I was hoping he would be this sort of bloke james as he seemed like a straight shooter no nonsense type at the saders. Unfortunately I think his hands have been tied by the ARU and he has been compromised from the start.
I dont know what coach can perform this role whilst the same ARU members are running the game, remember they will decide who the coach. It was the same issue at NSW, why do you think it took so long the get chieka on board?
October 4th 2012 @ 9:39am
mania said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
jameswm – are u talking about the nucifora era @ the brumbies? frank (above) mentioned gregans book that i’ve jsut finihsed reading and that wasnt a case of going back to basics it was the change of culture. nucifora didnt communicate with his senior players. usually i’m against player power but when u have players like finegan, larkham, gerard, jPaul and gregan you’d at least ask their opinion before ignoring it.
henry’s always been about empowering his players. in tana’s book he said henry introduce the management/leadership group and gave them pretty much free reign to come up with ideas but then to run them past the 3 wise men. henry’s never been reported as a ball buster yet all the AB’s and blues players would never think of crossing him. i think its henry’s background as a school teacher that serves him and he doesnt have to be a “do as you told” kind of coach
October 4th 2012 @ 9:17am
Jutsie said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Its true, its the same witht the faiinga boys and TPN, by the time they get to this level it should be instinctive that you put your head on the other side and drive with the shoulder.
However I think its a bit unfair on Campo’s behalf to deride AAC at this point in time, the bloke is brave and put his body on the line through sheer desparation.
October 4th 2012 @ 9:22am
jameswm said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
I think Campo’s shot at AAC misses the mark because tackling is not one of the areas where our skill deficiency is a big issue.
October 4th 2012 @ 9:30am
Jutsie said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
agreed, nor was it one of his strong areas
but I think both you and he are right that the big issue is these things, tackling technique, ball handling, body height at contact, should be taught from the time your in juniors. This doesnt seem to be the case for most aussie players.
October 4th 2012 @ 10:11am
Hoy said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
When I was at school, we had about 20 basic drills that were Australia Rugby Union endorsed I am sure of it.
Things like inside balls, outside balls, cut one – inside, loops etc. All little simple drills that developed out ball handling, contact, etc.
I am no international, but those drills in the 90s were drilled into us, and at club level now, as the youngsters come through, it looks like they are no longer in use, and it shows. They can’t get their head around these simple drills. So when it is time to play club footy at a senior level, they can’t do simple drills. Again, not international level, but you get my drift? It is frustrating to see kids come through with no basic skills or understanding of those skills.
October 4th 2012 @ 10:16am
Jutsie said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Hoy I have similar memories of my junior years back in the late 90′s and I only played lowly junior rugby in melbourne.
October 4th 2012 @ 1:51pm
Cody said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Tackling is a major issue for the Wallabies, SA crossed our try line 8 times last week, there were flaying arms, air swings and did you see the fend put on Simmons when he came on, it should make plays of the week! Campo obviously has the ear of the players and the toxic environment is painfully obvious to see. The other players who refrained from backing up Quade publicly are obviously scared to speak out in support. It won’t be long before the player revolt becomes untennable for the ARU.
October 4th 2012 @ 1:59pm
Jutsie said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Tackling is an issue at all levels, by the time a player gets to test level these techniques should be drilled into him. Im not sure what QC has to do with this discussion, he is a prime example of a bloke who was never taught the basics. His technique is so poor that they need to hide him at fullback on defence.
October 4th 2012 @ 2:11pm
Cody said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
J thats exactly my point Quade can’t tackle, thats one of the reasons i posted defence is a problem for the Wallabies, and by the way Quade is mentioned prominantly in Campos article so thats why QC is part of my discussion, Im keeping to the point.
October 4th 2012 @ 2:21pm
Jutsie said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Oh ok I didnt realise you were adressing two different points in campo’s article I thought you were linking QC’s comments to the poor tackling skills of the WB’s. My mistake.
October 4th 2012 @ 10:18am
Dexter William said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
I heap praise on AAC. His bravery is well noted and aplauded.
However, I was holding my breath a little when he got knocked out. I also hold my breath every time TPN goes down in a scrum.
A broken neck on the international scene would set rugby back 10 years in terms of participation at junior level.
So I would rather any Australian let in a try than to do permanent damage to their lives – after all it is only Rugby.
Campo is right. We must learn how to tackle properly.
October 4th 2012 @ 11:46am
El Gamba said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Agreed.
I’d also like to add, with 20:20 hindsight, I’d rather Kirchner had scored that one and we had AAC this weekend!
October 4th 2012 @ 12:42pm
doug said | October 4th 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
last week aac was a hero for tackling two players at once
October 4th 2012 @ 2:17pm
Roger the Alien said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Campo writes the way he played: bizarre!
October 4th 2012 @ 9:04pm
Steve said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:04pm | Report comment
Agreed: it’s difficult to tire of someone like Campo, but his whinging about how League has killed the game etc is getting old, and disrespecting the players who actually care seems counter productive at best.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:01am
peterlala said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
AAC did everything possible to stop a try. And was successful. What a hero.
October 8th 2012 @ 10:48am
peter said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
he tackled with the wrong shoulder. under 7s learn to use the CORRECT SHOULDER not the FAVORITE SHOULDER. head on, use your favourite. side on you must use the correct one, or you put your head in the way of a players legs, and risk getting kod.
October 4th 2012 @ 12:52am
Mac said | October 4th 2012 @ 12:52am | Report comment
Granted that things are going quite poorly at the moment, but a little more nuance please campo. Yes, the wallabies got throttled in Pretoria, but they aren’t the only team that has happened too. Moreover, I would count the loss under Greg Smith as worse than last weekend’s. At least the wallabies showed some ticker, as shown by AAC’s effort. You were great in attack campo, but I could never imagine you trying to pull off a tackle like that, so go easy on him.
October 4th 2012 @ 2:12am
Roy said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:12am | Report comment
Good post Mac – hard not to agree with all the points you make.
October 4th 2012 @ 4:58am
mania said | October 4th 2012 @ 4:58am | Report comment
totally agree mac. and how disrespectful is that campo doesnt even use (know?) adam ashley-coopers name? jsut refering to him as the full back. its not as if aac is a rookie.
October 4th 2012 @ 8:30am
Mac said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Perhaps an article heading like this was the editors’s doing (benefit of the doubt to campo), but the article itself betrayed the lack of balance campo has become renowned for. It’s tabloid reading.
If you are going to bag Australian rugby, that’s fine, indeed a good deal of measured criticism is required at this time. However, to single out amongst other things, a tackle like this is myopic. AAC did the exact thing most of us would want a guy to do in the gold jersey (quade take note): put his body on the line. Anyway, it’s odd that people would pick on this guy’s skill in defence when in the corresponding match in Perth he tackled two guys at once.
October 4th 2012 @ 6:47pm
nickoldschool said | October 4th 2012 @ 6:47pm | Report comment
Mac and a few others are completely right. I dont understand why Campo and a few roarers are so pedantic about AAC tackling technique on this particular occasion?
yes, ideally he should have tackled as low as possible, not put his head in front of the other player. We know that, AAC knows that too. Thing is, matches are often slightly different than training sessions and it does happen that a player has to stop the attacker by virtually any means or risk a try. And its what AAC did. I dont have the play in mind but maybe he was covering for one of his team mate who didnt do his job before or else?! A majority of the tackles made in a match aren’t text book anyway. Thats what rugby and all sports with an opposition are all about.
To have a go at him because he was not ideally positionned when tackling is just ludicrous and I dare say unaustralian!!
October 4th 2012 @ 1:02am
krisl of Utah said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:02am | Report comment
they will bounce back this weekend with a massive win against the boks…………… I agreed that there must be something to do with their training system that contributes to the high number of injured players.
October 4th 2012 @ 1:02am
Johnno said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:02am | Report comment
Mac Campo did pull off a miraculous tackle on none other than the most powerful scary dude of them all Jonah Lomu in 1995 in sydney.
October 4th 2012 @ 7:50am
Mals said | October 4th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Yeah Campo did but how many did he miss throughout his career by grabbing at the player’s jersey and not hitting with his shoulder!?! I would feel far safer having AAC as my last line of defence than Campo!
October 4th 2012 @ 2:41pm
RebelRanger said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
Who would you rather in a team though?
October 4th 2012 @ 1:46am
Billo said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:46am | Report comment
“It seems that league is still having far too much influence in Australian rugby. The ex-Leaguies in the game are not helping at all; they’re actually destroying the game.”
Is Deans a leaguie? Not when I last looked.
In virtually every column he writes, Campo has a go at the malign influence of the leaguies, as though everything is their fault.
But who are these mysterious individuals? And why doesn’t Campo name them?
If the Wallabies had Craig Bellamy coaching them I’m fairly sure that they would at least play with spirit.
The key fact is that a New Zealander can never generate the spirit in an Australian side that is required to beat the All Blacks, the Saffas and the Pumas.
International rugby is a nationalistic exercise for which the coaches and players all need to be on board. That’s why Graham Henry won the World Cup with the All Blacks, but had only limited success with Wales.
We need to find an Aussie coach who can give genuine motivation to our players.
October 4th 2012 @ 7:49am
Daz said | October 4th 2012 @ 7:49am | Report comment
I used to be a huge Dean’s fan and like a lot was more than willing to give him a fair go. He’s had his fair go now. He’s still a great coach but just not for Australia. I’m starting to agree with you, we simply need an Aussie coach. As someone suggested having Deans as coach against the All Blacks would be like having Ricky Stuart coach the Maroons against the Blues. A big chunk of tribalism and motivation would get lost in the process.
October 4th 2012 @ 11:19am
Rugby Diehard said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
x2
October 4th 2012 @ 9:39am
Wal said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Billo
I don’t agree with a couple of points you make,
A team shouldn’t rely on a coach to feel nationalistic, Graham Henry is the most successful coach the Welsh have had in 20 years. The next best Warren Gatland. Andy Robinson has the Scots at nearly 50% W/L unheard of 3 years ago and better than the great Ian McGeechan.
A Coach now days is more of a manager and if the players don’t want to play for their country (Quade’s most idiotic comment so far) then a great coach isn’t going to change that. Henry was a masterful tactician and man manager but he even had issues with players feeling they were bigger than the jersey. Both SBW and Luke Macalister were left out of teams to show they weren’t bigger than the game. The difference being Deans obviously tried that earlier in the year with Quade and the public were ready to tar and feather him.
October 4th 2012 @ 1:34pm
Kuruki said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Wal. All you need to do is look at the Wallaby side. They are a far cry from watching Argentina play. You can fish up examples from all over the world about foreign coaches getting the job done, it’s pointless, because reality is right in front of all of us. Robbie Deans for whatever reason (and who really cares) is not currently inspiring or getting the best out of his players. This is professional sport and serious questions need to be asked about why he is still in the job.
The excitement has gone, the confidence and cockiness is gone, the flair has vanished, players and some spectators still talk about pride but i’m not buying it. The 2nd place ranking is also now gone.
Are they really going to wait for the Lions to make a decision that should have already been made? Losing a series to the Lions on home soil would probably be the twisting of the knife for rugby in Australia.
October 5th 2012 @ 1:00pm
Wal said | October 5th 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Very simplistic to say all of the pride and passion is because of the coach, perhaps all the negative feedback they keep getting from their supporter base has eroded some of the Pride and Passion. Not saying I am a QC fan but you can imagine what some of the trolls on twitter send to him at times.
October 4th 2012 @ 2:02am
garth said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:02am | Report comment
The man/men responsible for shoving Cooper in front of the media is Cooper himself & his agent. Cooper’s own actions then “hung him out to dry”.
October 4th 2012 @ 2:15am
NF said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:15am | Report comment
Stop blaming the leaguies and blame the ARU for it’s faults. Stop scapegoating league it’s pathetic.
October 4th 2012 @ 7:15am
oikee said | October 4th 2012 @ 7:15am | Report comment
Next he will be blaming the other Canberra Campese for not playing rugby the cause of toxic rugby.
A kiwi coach coaching the wallabies to a win in the NZ world cup was never going to happen, what a waste of time and effort and money and a fools paradise if i have ever seen one.
October 4th 2012 @ 2:22am
kingplaymaker said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:22am | Report comment
So Campo notes the massive injury toll but doesn’t connect it to inability of the backs to penetrate the opposition or forwards to dominate the breakdown. Could there be a connection, just maybe?
Is it normal to expect a second or third XV, which is roughly what Australia send out with all their 28 injuries, to beat the world’s top teams?
How can Deans get Cooper to shred the opposition behind a second XV pack being continually outmuscled?
Is it as easy for a player to rip up an opposition defence as a Super rugby team’s defence?
Deans has stuck by Cooper to the hilt, not laid him out to dry. Cooper is an egomaniac brat repeating lines from Khoder Nasser and Reds managers who wish Mckenzie and Carmichael to replace Deans and O’Neill.
Instead of showing gratitude to Deans, Cooper stabs him full in the back.
Campo has told us in this article that the Wallabies second/third XV were worse than South Africa: a great suprise!
October 4th 2012 @ 4:27am
Ben.S said | October 4th 2012 @ 4:27am | Report comment
Who are these 28 injuries? Who are they? All 28 please.
October 4th 2012 @ 8:22am
Coxinator said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Let’s not forget how badly Deans has managed Cooper through the RWC and this years RC.
Reintroducing him in Auckland was far from logical.
October 4th 2012 @ 8:29am
Adam-15 said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Drew Mitchell
James O’Connor
Wycliff Palu
Will Genia
Jake Schatz
James Horwill
Scott Higginbotham
David Pocock
Matt Hodgson
Christian Lealifano
Lachie Turner
Salesi Ma’afu
Nic White
Ben Lucas
Berrick Barnes
Ben McCalman
Rob Horne
Cooper Vuna
Joe Tomane
Adam Ashley-Cooper
Quade Cooper
Sekope Kepu
Stephen Moore
Dan Palmer
Plus during the game:
Anthony Fainga’a
Digby Ioane
Radike Samo
Tatafu Palota-Nau
October 4th 2012 @ 8:31am
Ben.S said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Except they’re not all Wallabies…
October 4th 2012 @ 9:04am
Adam-15 said | October 4th 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Every single one of them has been part of a wallabies squad in the last year, except leali’ifano who would easily be the wallabies 5/8 if he wasn’t injured
October 4th 2012 @ 10:00am
Wal said | October 4th 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
I am not arguing that is an ugly list, but no where near all of them would have been selected,
NZ currently have out
Ali Williams
Colin Slade
Benson Stanley
Richard Kahui
Zac Guildford
Rene Ranger
Daniel Braid
TJ Perenara
and have played this year without
Carter
C Smith
Reid
and Cruden
Realistically Australia have about 5 players that because of their injuries actually weaken the team, and yes that hurts but 28 players it does not make.
Those 5 would be
Genia (Phipps apprears to be doing ok behind a beaten forward pack)
Horwill (the biggest loss IMO)
Pocock (his replacement isn’t doing to bad either)
JOC (Not sure where to put him but he definitely adds to the team)
Scott Higginbotham (as an impact player)
October 4th 2012 @ 11:04am
Harry said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Ah one of the great Roar Myths on full diusplay here … “leali’ifano who would easily be the wallabies 5/8″.
Gawd, the guy was having a good season at SuperRugby level and may well have made the Walls, but really – he would NOT have “easily” been the Wallabies pivot. He’s never showed the class and form of Quade Cooper, let alone Dan Carter.
On another associated point when will people realise that test match rugby is a higher level than SuperRugby, and to produce week in week out at test matches is very hard going … for example, Dom Shipperly and Kane Douglas bother were poor in Pretoria after excellent debuts in Aus. Not surprising really, but I love the way a guy has one decent/poor game and we immediately hail them as the new rugby master/condemn tham as useless.
October 4th 2012 @ 11:13am
Ben.S said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
But they’re not Wallabies and therefore have no ‘background’ in Test rugby. Injured squad players is an irrelevance and Leali’ifano is an exception to all of the fringe players, but even that is dubious as Barnes was an asset in the Wales series and has been fit all during the RC. We all know for a fact that there are certain players on that list who Deans wouldn’t touch with a barge pole. There are injuries to key players, but then people are chucking on random names just to highlight the issue.
October 4th 2012 @ 11:15am
Red Kev said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Great post Wal
I would add Palu and at least one TH prop (Palmer or Kepu) to the list though. The Wallabies are a much better unit when Palu is fit (not very often admitedly) and their front row would be much better with a stronger no.3 than Alexander. That’s still only 7 players though (although I’d add Holmes and Tapuai to the list who are not there through poor selecting rather than injury).
October 4th 2012 @ 11:20am
Jutsie said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:20am | Report comment
Agree with wal and RK about which players are really important but would add stephen moore who hasnt played the last 2 games either.
I would also think the most important thing is the lack of leadership due to pocock, genia and horwill being out.
I also think more important than having players out before the game is the amount lossed during the game. I wont use injuries as an excuse for the two losses to the AB’s however I think the although we would have lost to SA anyway the injuries compounded the issue. We saw at the reds what can happen when you lose a number of key players early (the game in durban springs to mind), you lose all structure.
October 4th 2012 @ 12:20pm
El Gamba said | October 4th 2012 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
Jutsie, Red Kev,
I agree and the big impact is losing the entire leadership group. SA may have an argument around some of their key leaders however the same can’t be said about NZ.
October 4th 2012 @ 3:49pm
Kuruki said | October 4th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
Wal of that list only Williams (god knows why) and Kahui would have been part of this squad. Possibly Slade. The rest are just not ready or not good enough.
October 4th 2012 @ 11:53am
Lats said | October 4th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
I note that Ben Tapuai doesnt appear on this list.
So why is it that the best centre in Australia during the last 2 years, cannot get a game with this current injury crisis?
I have heard Deans is considering him at outside centre.. .what nonsense is this? Drop McCabe and get Ben playing in his rightful position.
I have been a big fan of Deans… but this persistence with McCabe over Tapuai is begining to wear even my patience.
At least Mike Harris is finally getting a starting run.
October 4th 2012 @ 1:41pm
Kuruki said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Lats. I think this could be a little insight into the frustrations simmering in the Wallaby camp. Two Waratahs players in TPN and Mitchell have recently made comments about the team coming first and QC basically needing to harden up. I think there is a bit of NSW/Qlnd mumbo jumbo going on and the Qslnd boys seem to be on the short end of the stick and i think it is getting to them.
October 4th 2012 @ 1:46pm
Lats said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
Interesting… it did seem odd that QLD and the Brumbies were unrepresented at the start of the year given they were the best 2 performing sides… Im not a big parochial fan… but a lot of people have wondered why so many Waratahs were in the side at the start of the year.. and Im struggling to see why a few of them are still in the side…
Coopers comments have been really unhelpful… but a few fanst I know think there might be some substance too it… I honestly have no idea.. but hope they beat the Argies this week, otherwise they will be the laughing stock of the whole world…. Ive got plenty of English and Kiwi mates giving it to me already via text
Not to mention one or 2 Bokke fans ..
October 4th 2012 @ 2:30pm
Xiedazhou said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
This would be the same Mitchell chosen by Deans, unfit and out of form over Shipperley, the form winger of the Aus Super 15 teams. I find it very interesting that it seems to be the players whose form, fitness and skill levels are below par (and yes many of these “culprits” are Waratahs) who are Deans greatest supporters in the side. And why wouldnt they be? If the team was chosen on form, fitness, skill etc, then they wouldnt be the regular choices that they currently are. Can anyone seriously explain why for example Holmes doesnt get a spot in the squad as a prop? And how could Horne have been selected as centre for so long? And when, during the year, did Barnes form warrant his continued automatic selection? He kicked hopelessly all year, why was it a surprise when he continued to kick away possession in the tests? And why the Wallabies select an inside centre who can pass across his body, or around the man, when there are alternatives?
October 4th 2012 @ 8:16pm
Adam-15 said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:16pm | Report comment
Lats, Tapuai played 13 in all his games for the reds this year and although i think he is suited to 12 , there’s no doubt he would be fine at 13. That being said having a player like McCabe at inside centre will hamper his ability to make an impact.
October 4th 2012 @ 2:26pm
sittingbison said | October 4th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
you left out Matt Hodgeson
October 4th 2012 @ 7:56pm
Blue Blood said | October 4th 2012 @ 7:56pm | Report comment
He would be mighty handy right now. A great pilferer, tackler and fast. He’s a great link player between forwards and backs; just what the Wallabies need right now. He always plays well against the SA teams. I hear he is on track to be back for the first game of the Super season after his ankle and shoulder recons.
October 4th 2012 @ 8:00pm
Lats said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:00pm | Report comment
@ Xiedazhou – Mate, agree with everything you just said … nothing more I can add. Cheers
October 4th 2012 @ 1:38pm
Kuruki said | October 4th 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
KPM Deans has had a large number of fit backs at stages this year and he has failed to formulate a successful plan for them to unleash on anybody. The backline play from Australia this year has been terrible imo, a far cry from years past. Injuries or not, they have no structure and no fluidity. Selections and coaching as much as injury are to blame.
October 4th 2012 @ 3:10am
joe b said | October 4th 2012 @ 3:10am | Report comment
It is time for JON to go. He has overseen a great period in aussie rugby, namely the ’99 world cup period and the succesful hosting of the 2003 world cup…however the money spent on buying non-rugby talent (tuiquiri, sailor etal) at the expense of grass roots programs, the re-naming of the national side to qantas wallabies, the re-signing of deans before he proved himself at the world cup last year, indicates a person who has lost touch with rugby in this country….he regards it as a corporate entertainment product, not a game of rugby. This product/brand mentality has filtered down to the players (some more than others) and certainly appears to have had a perverse effect on the culture. Rot starts at the top and permeates through an organisation…..perhaps it’s because the ARU is based in sydney and has finally caught waratah’s disease.
October 4th 2012 @ 4:50am
HardData said | October 4th 2012 @ 4:50am | Report comment
Wallabies are currently confronting their version of Rugby Gallipoli.
And the bulk of the so called Australian supporters are “Roaring” hatred of their Soldiers.
Apparently it is because of a foreign coach and a large number of foreign born players, coupled with hate for the administrative status quo.
Ridiculous thing is, this weeks team has never been more Australian in years!!!!
Really sums up why Australia do not deserve International competition…………
“They just cant accept, nor will support, not winning”
October 4th 2012 @ 8:29am
soapit said | October 4th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
joke of a comment. its nothing to do with the place of birth and everything to do with what happens on the field.