Is Australia a potential American football powerhouse?
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Like many Australians nowadays, the NFL makes up a super-sized proportion of my sporting diet.
What started with SBS Super Bowls as a once a year tipple, morphed into the occasional binge via the internet and now exists as a slightly unhealthy addiction that sees me getting up at 3am on Monday morning to sneak in a status check of a Minnesota tight end’s hamstring injury.
Whereas the greater majority of Australians over the age of fifty who don’t refer to trolleys as ‘shopping carts’ will be quick to bemoan the helmets, player numbers or the game’s technicalities, I know I’m not alone in this obsession.
Free-to-air coverage of the sport on Australian TV has made the sport accessible to the masses (I can hear Ben Buckley scratching his head from here) and with greater exposure comes the understanding that the basics gist of the sport is super simple.
Despite the positives of more people getting into the game locally, there is always a nagging thought in the back of my mind.
Just how good could Australia be at the sport?
Now this is the point where I’m supposed to detail how Greg Inglis would be a great running back, Buddy Franklin a gun wide receiver and David Pocock an awesome tight end…etc.
Which is a great argument for down the pub on a crappy early October Saturday afternoon, but one that has about as much point as arguing who would win a fight out of Optimus Prime and Voltron.
It isn’t ever going to happen, so why bother?
No, what I’m talking about is moving into the future, how likely is it that Australians (and New Zealanders for that matter) can carve out a presence in the NFL and be dominant at the sports amateur level?
The simple answer would be to say ”not very”. Despite the fact that there are currently a handful of talented Australians in the NFL and US College system, NFL teams and American universities have a huge pool from which to select their players.
So, outside of any Colin Scotts-type experiments, it is unlikely they would need to cast a net to the other side of the world to secure talent.
Also in the most recent Under-19 American Football world championship qualifying, the Aussie Outback side (great name by the way) got rolled by American Samoa, by a lazy 96-3.
Which should be a write-off right there. This was, after all, a country we beat 31-0 in round ball football. However it’s actually where things get interesting.
In qualifying for the tournament, Australia was actually handed the world’s biggest hospital pass. Studies have shown that a man with Samoan heritage is forty times more likely to play in the NFL than someone who isn’t.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSF-aFgo5RE&feature=related
The silver lining in all this is that last time I watched the Toyota cup, athletes with Samoan (or for that matter any Pacific Islander) heritage weren’t exactly in short supply in this part of the world.
If an island of some 55, 000 people like American Samoa can leave a footprint on one of the world’s biggest sporting competitions, so too should Australia. Australia has first class facilities and a pacific islander population many times American Samoa’s?
This is without even taking into account the many local athletes of other cultural lineage who might have the goods.
Sure there is the issue of dollars, with Australia’s ingrained football codes offering a clearer financial pathway for the talented junior. But with major league baseball tipping money into the fledgling Australian league, is this just a case of American football scouts bookmarking Australia as a nation of punters (the kicking kind) without fully being aware of its demographics?
Personally I think it’s only a matter of time before we’ll see the trickle of Australians hitting the big time become a steady stream, and the national Aussie Outback team well ‘in front’ of the pack.
Which I’m sure every Australian sports fan, no matter what their background, would be proud to see.
Even if it did mean checking the internet at 3am in the morning to find out how our players’ hammys are doing.
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October 5th 2012 @ 3:31am
peeeko said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:31am | Report comment
as an Australian living in Chicago, there are many thinkgs that annoy me about the NFL but one of the great things is that it is the best of the best. so many great high school athlets cant make college teams and then only 5% of college players make the NFL. Four corners did a great show on high schools and american football- i think it was caused brain explosion.
October 5th 2012 @ 4:14am
AIS said | October 5th 2012 @ 4:14am | Report comment
If they want to look abroad to recruit prospects, they should look to Germany. I was surprised by how evident their player base is. I remember seeing their team play in Vienna, Austria a few years back. They looked like the most competent team outside of USA and Canada. They seemed to understand rules, play/signal calling, coverages, formations, and they had the technical basics down.
Don’t get me wrong. They couldn’t put up close games against the North American teams who were guys that played on a recreational basis. However, the German team, the Mexican team and the Japanese team had easy times against the rest of the teams.
The one from New Zealand looked out of their element. I’ve seen a later tournament online that had an Australian team and they looked the worst of the bunch.
I know of a German Guard or Tackle who played with the New England Patriots in recent years named Vullmer(not sure of the spelling). If there are more worthy takers there, give them a shot.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:20am
Chris Chard said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Hi AIS
Yeh you’re bang on with your call about the Germans, the Austrians desereve a shout out too as the reigning under 19 Euro champs and afetr coming fourth in the world champs.
http://u19championship.com/teams-2/austria/
http://u19championship.com/bronze-medal-recap-japan-7-austria-0/
As well as your man Vollmer the NY Giants have a tackle called Markus Kuhn from Deutschland.
Surely the success of these countries should only serve to encourage the Australian ‘Gridiron’ scene
Cheers
CC
October 7th 2012 @ 5:23pm
Ian Whitchurch said | October 7th 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
Theres a gap in Europe for one of the contact football codes.
It’ll be interesting to see which one makes it.
February 9th 2013 @ 1:05am
Bob in Texas (USA) said | February 9th 2013 @ 1:05am | Report comment
Vollmer played footbal here in Texas (University of Houston) before being taken by the Pats. I am considering moving my family to Oz, but my boys are both heavy into sports, i.e. American football (not soccer), basketball, wrestling, and water polo. I wonder if the intermediate and high schools in Oz feature any of these sports? I have a 13 year old and a 9 yr old. I played Rugby Union in college here in the states and liked it plenty, though I would rather play American football instead. Thoughts?
March 23rd 2013 @ 9:20pm
James Cashat said | March 23rd 2013 @ 9:20pm | Report comment
Sports in Australia are totally different. they are not played in the schools like the US, but instead played in “clubs”. If you are considering moving to Australia, there would be a significant cultural difference between the two. All of the sports are played here, but American Football is not offered until the age of 14 and then its sometimes a modified game like 7 on 7. I’m from Louisiana originally and although I love Australia and living here, one of my biggest regrets is that my two 13 year olds do not get to experience sports in school like I did.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:02am
Monty String said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
Of the current Wallabies, injured and healthy, Palu might make a reasonable fullback. Higgers a tight end as he’s fast and could block. Beale might make it as a field goal kicker. McCabe might be just fast enough for a defensive job in the secondary. In all of rugby in the last x number of years the biggest success would have been Jonah. Taller and way faster than any tight end now playing.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:48am
mushi said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
My problem with Jonah was that he would have run god awful routes and he did his best work given space.
October 5th 2012 @ 5:01pm
BGH said | October 5th 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
Johah was shorter (by about 2 inches) and a bit lighter (by about 5-10 pounds) than Rob Gronkowski (the best tight end in the NFL now) – physically he could have been a force but he was never a good defender so would not have liked the blocking which is a core TE duty. Also, he didn’t have the best hands so would have been a bit weak as a receiving TE. I think the current rugby player wit the best NFL potential is Nonu as a running back.
October 6th 2012 @ 3:03am
bluerose said | October 6th 2012 @ 3:03am | Report comment
Sonny Bill (OLB). McCaw (MLB) and Burger (OLB). Gear and Savea (RB), Henry Tuilagi/Manu Tuilagi (FB).
October 5th 2012 @ 8:43am
B.A Sports said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
The point is an interesting one about the American Samoa, and you would think Australia has one of the larger population bases of Pacific Islanders (though not American Samoans) so that possibility may exist. Interesting that Germany is often identified as the best non-American, American Football playing country and Germany have strong historical links to Samoa.
I can see the NFL growing in popularity in this country which might lead to a dozen, maybe 20, Aussie kids getting a chance to play in college, but even then if 5% of college players go on to the NFL, what is 5% of 20? 1. They just don’t need to spend money scouting out here. Scouting in itself is a huge business over there.
And Voltron would crush Optimus Prime
October 5th 2012 @ 10:38am
Chris Chard said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Hi BA
Interesting point about spending money scouting
I work with a guy who plays Aussie rules in one of the Brisbane comps. Anyway he played with a bloke who gave up playing only to take up punting.
Basically he filmed himself taking punts and sent off the footage to colleges in the states till one of the unis bit. Ended up punting (and doing some kicking) for the university of Buffalo, getting a sweet education and seeing a different part of the world. Graduated last year and now he works for the QLD reds.
Point is with technology the way it is scouting is going to become a lot cheaper as the years go on, and if Aussie Jesse Williams at Alabama gets drafted into the NFL early then scouts will be taking a closer look at Australia… IMO
Cheers
CC
October 5th 2012 @ 10:58am
B.A Sports said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
That is a good point about technology.
Apart from the club and college scouts, TV networks employ people to scout and develop rankings and then there are independent guys who have been around for years who have been putting together prospect lists and kids would do anything to get on those lists.
But your right, Scouts can now sit at the desk, wait and review all the footage that comes in. Technology these days makes it pretty easy to put together decent quality footage and I think there are guys working as agents out here for American sports.
It could benefit sport here to. If we have guys getting picked up by colleges that don’t make the NFL, they may be able to come back and play pro sports here (more likely NRL and Rugby than AFL in all likelihood due to the skill sets). At least the chances are they would come back more articulate than the guys who get taken out of high school incapable of constructing sentence, play in the NRL for 15 years, then get a job in the media, still incapable of speaking or writing… grr I’m going off on a tangent aren’t I…
October 5th 2012 @ 11:13am
Chris Chard said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Ha ha
Funnily enough Paul Sironen (sort of) did that.
Studied and trained with the University of Hawaii’s football program without ever playing a match. And I reckon it’s a great thing…err Lowes ads aside
Truth is there are some body shapes (i.e. really, really, really….really big men) that are in demand for American football and not so much in Australian sports.
I’m talking 300 pound big, Kasiano I think is the only Australian based footballer hitting that type of heavy.
I remember being a trainee teacher at Keebra park on the GC and they would recruit these kids from NZ for their rugby league program. A few of those kids were 120kg+, and of course to play RL the first thing you did was make them trim down.
Would these sort of players be more suited to some American football positions? You would think so, and I think it will happen one day.
Cheers
CC
October 6th 2012 @ 10:56pm
amband said | October 6th 2012 @ 10:56pm | Report comment
you mean Pacific Island kids. A lot of this is race based. I remember as a kid you played by weight. Some of the islanders a huge. No getting round the genes
October 7th 2012 @ 5:24pm
Ian Whitchurch said | October 7th 2012 @ 5:24pm | Report comment
Those bodies are built, the same way a body that can run a 14 beep test is built for Australian Rules.
October 7th 2012 @ 7:30pm
Chris Chard said | October 7th 2012 @ 7:30pm | Report comment
Hi Amband
Yes a fair chunk of the kids they were recruiting from New Zealand had Pacific Islander backgrounds.
Interesting about the weight issue. In a lot of juniour American football comps kids over a certain weight can only play defence. Obviously this answer is not very practical for the rugby codes, but I think the ‘weight debate’ is one worth having in Australian sport.
Cheers
CC
October 5th 2012 @ 10:40am
thesportsguy said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
no way, optumis prime all day every day
October 5th 2012 @ 11:01am
B.A Sports said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Voltron pulls out the Blazing sword and good night Optimus!
October 5th 2012 @ 8:57am
Sailosi said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Chris, you already can see the amount of talented young American rugby players making their mark on American Football. In the last NFL draft their were 6 former USA high school and college rugby reps selected in the draft and Nate Ebner from Ohio State and a former USA u/20 rugby rep is now starting on special teams for the Patriots. Thretton Palamo, the youngest player to go to a rugby world cup in France 2007 at 18 is now in his last year at Utah and as a running back is a chance at a first or second round pick. Steve Paea is another rugby player who is a sensation in college football. If those guys can transfer their skills from rugby to American football there is no reason why Australians can’t.
Just a note regarding the American Samoan team. The majority of the players have grown up and been educated in the USA.
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October 5th 2012 @ 9:53am
B.A Sports said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Agruably the best defensive end in the game, Haloti Ngata of the Baltimore Ravens. He is of Tonagan background and grew up in Utah playing high school rugby
October 5th 2012 @ 10:51am
Chris Chard said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Hi Sailosi
Cheers for the heads up about the US Samoan team, puts a bit of a different perspective on things
Good point you make regarding the relationship between rugby and American football. Traditionally it’s been the other way around, with college players not making the cut for the football team going on to play rugby-interesting to hear of things going the other way.
I remember a yarn a few years back about one of the members of the American Tomahawks (rugby league team) and how he was also playing football (I think at high school?) and how he had got his team into throwing laterals….basically playing like a rugby league or union side.
Not 100% sure this is the exact footage, but it looked a little something like this
October 5th 2012 @ 10:57am
Tigranes said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
Chris
in the NFL, teams are generally reluctant to use laterals because of the risk they could lose possession.
October 5th 2012 @ 11:03am
Chris Chard said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Hi Tigranes
You’re bang on there mate…bit of a shame isn’t it? But such is the nature of the beast
CC
October 5th 2012 @ 11:55am
Sailosi said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:55am | Report comment
The crossover is now huge between the football and rugby guys. It has always been present in Utah, especially with BYU being the best or second best college rugby team in the US as well as a great football program, thanks to the large Pacific Island population. Utah also has a great rugby and football program.
The thing is now that high school rugby has exploded in the US in the last 5 or so years and a number of guys are playing both sports. It now offers them another chance to get a college education if they don’t get a football scholarship many colleges now have spots open for rugby players due to the amount of rugby programs available.
October 7th 2012 @ 11:38pm
amband said | October 7th 2012 @ 11:38pm | Report comment
Trinity was mentioned in this clip, and you mentioned a bloke who played rugby. Isn’t this the Islanders in the US that brought the Haka to NFL. Bloody ridiculous as in the clip below
March 11th 2013 @ 4:07pm
amband said | March 11th 2013 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
Christ. Like a French backline
October 5th 2012 @ 9:28am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Chris, c’mon.
Everyone know Optimus Prime would smash Voltron!
October 5th 2012 @ 10:23am
Chris Chard said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Child please…
October 5th 2012 @ 10:08am
sheek said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Chris,
I love watching NFL, but here’s the rub – we Aussies already have 4 heavily entrenched footy codes.
We need another one like a hole in the head.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:49am
james said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
it’s good that daylight saving’s is coming. means that I only need to get up at 4am.
and how good is 3-5 live games on fta? or game pass is the bomb too.
isn’t Jesse williams(Australian) projected to go 1-2 round in the draft next year?
October 5th 2012 @ 10:56am
Chris Chard said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Don’t forget College ball all day Sunday if you have Foxtel!
Will be interesting to see where Jesse Williams gets picked up, plenty of Australians are going to have a new favourite team i think!
Cheers
CC
October 5th 2012 @ 11:40am
B.A Sports said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
james
ONE HD drives me mad. Where I live they put 90 second infomercials on during 30 second timeouts. Last week in the NYG and Philli Game they missed a touchdown and an endzone interception!
Fortunately this year I got Game Pass and what a blessing. To sit with a game on the TV and then sifting through the other games on the computer is awsome.
And of course the lack of media coverage for the game over hear makes it easy to avoid the score as I am right now for the Cards v Rams match (so none of you wise guys post it here) and I can go home tonight and watch it on demand – my own Friday Night Lights… woo hoo..
October 5th 2012 @ 3:25pm
simonjzw said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
It’s always puzzled me why the exceptional goal kickers in Rugby League and Rugby Union haven’t had a crack at the NFL the way some of the guys who were exceptional kicks in the AFL have. If Sav Rocca can punt why can’t Hazem El’Mazri knock them over the cross bar?
I definitely think thats worth NFL clubs exploring more closely. Zurelein has been a revelation for the RAMS this year showing how important the position is.
But unless you have elite highly specialised kicking skills the pathway to the NFL will be via US College system where young Jesse Williams is currently blazing the trail at Alabama. Should he be drafted (and he is a chance) then people will start to see that as a viable pathway.
October 5th 2012 @ 4:02pm
Chris Chard said | October 5th 2012 @ 4:02pm | Report comment
Interesting point Simonjzm, the ‘Legatron’ has been killing it for the Rams!
A while ago I sent ESPN a short clip of Jonathan thurston kicking a sideline conversion, and they seemed to enjoy it
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=7163421
Also we can’t forget Roosters player Mark Harris who helped blaze the traail by trialling for Philly in the 70s before playng in the CFL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Harris_(rugby_league)
All the best
CC
October 5th 2012 @ 4:43pm
Siege of Perth said | October 5th 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
I really enjoy the game, when its being played. I can forgive the padding and the helmets but what I cant forgive is the speed of the game. Reduce the game clock in between plays by half. Just mic up the refs permanently so they dont have to run to the middle of the ground and say “defense…….29…… holding….. 10 yard penalty…..repeat 1st down”. Worse than Demitoru on Brownlow night. They literally spend less time playing then waiting in between plays, waiting for the refs, and the changing of teams. But even worse than that is the different teams. This for me kills the game. Just have one team! theres no reason offensive blockers cant then go tackle on defense and the kicking team! I mean come on you dont need to spend 10s of millions of dollars on a team specifically designated for kicking when they only kicking it like 5 times a game for a grand total of maybe 2 mins especially whens theres actually only one guy kicking it. And of course the infamous Euro internet v American internet of Football v Handegg.
Love the game, hate the bs that goes along with it
October 5th 2012 @ 8:48pm
Arthur Fonzarelli said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:48pm | Report comment
I love the NFL.
Having recently returned from a trip to the US, I can tell you that the average Seppo has enormous respect for the toughness and endurance of AFL and “rugby” (I got sick of explaining the difference between codes to them by the end). Most seem to acknowledge that the Aussie codes were superior in this regard.
Where the NFL has us covered in size, power, brute force, and sheer quality of athlete. If you base it on population figures – your average NFL side is the equal in talent to the Aussie test side in either code or an all- Australian AFL side.
As for those who say they are ‘soft” for wearing pads and helmets – watch their tackling techniques closely and you may change your opinion – especially on say a punt return where the chasers literally dive head first at full pace directly at the knees of a punt returner also running at full pace. American football has by far the highest rates of ACL ruptures of any sport.
October 7th 2012 @ 11:46pm
amband said | October 7th 2012 @ 11:46pm | Report comment
NFL is nowhere near as athletic as rugger. Men that size would not be able to run for 80 minutes for a start
October 8th 2012 @ 10:02pm
Ian Whitchurch said | October 8th 2012 @ 10:02pm | Report comment
Amband,
I see your stupid code war comment, and raise you an Earl Thomas.
http://www.seahawks.com/team/roster/Earl-Thomas/2b7944eb-8876-431d-9149-f29a6e51e5be
October 8th 2012 @ 11:30pm
amband said | October 8th 2012 @ 11:30pm | Report comment
Ian, it’s not code war. A huge man of the type you find in NFL, the larger ones I mean would find it difficult. They are fine for ramming into a bloke at closer quarter, but to carry that weight a few miles in 80 minutes might be asking a bit
I don’t engage in code wars
October 8th 2012 @ 11:54pm
Ian Whitchurch said | October 8th 2012 @ 11:54pm | Report comment
Fixed your code war post for you.
“A huge man of the type you find in rugby union, the larger ones I mean would find AFL difficult. They are fine for ramming into a bloke at closer quarter, but to carry that weight a few miles in four 30 minute quarters might be asking a bit”
The bodies you see in the NFL are *built*, the same way low-slung props with lower body and core strength or lean Australian Rules sprint-and-endurance specialists are built. They are the product of highly determined, highly trained athletes working bloody hard on the track and in the gym.
October 9th 2012 @ 9:35am
amband said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
that may be true, still, they are different games. I couldn’t see Benn Robinson playing AFL