Professional athletes deserve professional journalism
By Ryan O'Connell, 5 Oct 2012 Ryan O'Connell is a Roar Expert
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The Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs Greg Eastwood tackles the Melbourne Storm's Todd Lowrie during the NRL Grand Final at ANZ Stadium in Sydney, Sunday, Sept. 30, 2012. (AAP Image/Dean Lewins)
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Over the last few days, journalists have defended each other over the presence of the media at the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs Mad Monday celebrations.
In the wake of the furore that has erupted, it’s been extremely interesting to observe the media’s response.
In fact, it’s provided a real insight into the modern media’s mentality.
The media camping out of the front of the Belmore Sports Ground as the players partied inside is not, of course, the main story. The main story, and the reason for which the media was even there – and intently hoping and praying for – came in the form of some unsavoury and unacceptable comments directed at Channel 9 reporter Jayne Azzopardi.
While it has since been suggested that the vile comments were not made by players, that in no way excuses what was said by individuals who were still representing the Bulldogs football club, and rugby league in general.
The alleged comments made cannot be defended. They were disgraceful.
Yet the incident has provided the catalyst for a larger conversation about the media in general, what type of stories they desire, and their expectations, in terms of dealing with players.
Over the last couple of days, we’ve heard some consistent themes from the media, in response to their presence at the private function. These have included: access to players, respect towards the media, and a lack of trust from players towards journalists.
I have to say, the comments about access to players is quite ridiculous. Do the media really need access at that precise moment when players are drowning their sorrows and reflecting on a long, tough year? Really? At that very moment, you desperately need to talk to the players? That’s absolute rubbish.
Likewise, there is a delicious irony in bemoaning the lack of respect and trust from players towards the media, in an incident that revolved around the media attending an event to which they were uninvited and asked to leave. Would you respect and trust an individual that turned up to your wedding uninvited, and refused to leave?
I would argue that respect and trust is a two way street.
By no means am I defending the comments that were made. As colleague David Lord said yesterday, if the comments aren’t said, this is a non-story.
But the point about access to players is interesting, because it does seem like journalists think it’s their right to have contact with the players whenever they want. To me, that’s disrespectful and arrogant. Access shouldn’t translate to harassing players with impunity. It should equal players and coaches providing access voluntarily.
The most insightful sporting show in Australia, without doubt, is the AFL Fox Footy Channel’s On The Couch. What’s the crucial ingredient of this show? Coaches and players come on voluntarily, and are days removed from the heat of the battle. I learn a lot more about the individuals that participate on this program than I do from stories from journalists that camp out the front of training facilities.
Likewise, I recently read a fantastic article in Inside Sport about the Wests Tigers’ Benji Marshall, which was written after two separate one-on-one interviews with the player. That is, as opposed to him having a camera shoved in his face after he’s leaving a court hearing, or a reporter asking him questions through the window of his car as he departs training.
To me, On The Couch and Inside Sport represent how information and content about athletes should be both attained and consumed. It’s more insightful for the public, and more respectful to the athletes.
I can’t recall anything interesting or informative coming from unscheduled and intrusive media reporting. In fact, I believe the media drastically overestimates how important their beloved access to players really is.
To be more precise, I think it comes down to the type of access. I agree that players have a responsibility to promote their game, and to talk to the media. But that shouldn’t extend to 24/7 access, or pointless and banal questioning.
During cricket’s Twenty 20 Big Bash, the interviews by Fox Sports sideline reporters with batsmen who have just got out are cringe worthy, and hardly ever offer anything insightful. It’s clear the batsmen don’t want to talk, as their emotions are running high from being dismissed. It’s much more enjoyable listening to Shane Warne commentate while bowling. Why? Because it’s part of the game – the real reason we are watching.
Likewise, immediate post-match interviews rarely provide anything but a chance for a reporter to annoy someone, or catch them off-guard. It’s difficult to recall anything truly important ever being said straight after a game. Quite simply, players are either excited or disappointed. Coaches are either thrilled or angry. And they’re almost always fuming at referees or umpires either way.
Interviews out the front of a player’s house. Microphones shoved in the face of a coach as he arrives at an airport. Halftime chats with tired players. Does any of this really get fans closer to the sport or to the individuals?
It seems like some sports reporters are rapidly becoming reality TV cameramen, and nothing more.
The old fashioned one-on-one interviews are where we learn most about an individual. Those interviews can still provide the opportunity to ask tough, probing questions. Meanwhile, the individual in question doesn’t have to forfeit their privacy.
Professional athletes deserve professional journalism.
And vice versa; professional journalists deserve professional athletes.
After this week, I think it’s evident that the professionalism of all those involved in Australian sport, particularly rugby league, could do with an increase.
Ryan is an ex-representative basketballer who shot too much, and a (very) medium pace bowler. He's been with The Roar as an expert since February 2011, has written for the Seven Network and NBA Down Under, and been a regular on ABC radio. Ryan tweets from @RyanOak.
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October 5th 2012 @ 5:52am
James said | October 5th 2012 @ 5:52am | Report comment
Fantastic read.
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October 5th 2012 @ 6:58am
crip said | October 5th 2012 @ 6:58am | Report comment
I’ll second that. A sober response from the media.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:49am
Elisha Pearce said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
I fully agree James and Crip. Well thought out and he’s made great points today.
October 5th 2012 @ 6:34am
steve b said | October 5th 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
Ryan top read ,couldn’t agree more , the Dogs have been dragged through the mud for one loud mouthed jerk , with media bringing up the dirty Dogs tag again , before they have all the evidence . And now it’s starting to look like it wasn;t a player at all . they tarred everyone with the same brush to sensationilize their story . nothing more than trial by media .Not pro journalism but sheer head line trouble making rubbish , and yes no one condoned what was said and they should be punished . Very poorly handled from go to wo , and no more media at mad monday ever again …
October 5th 2012 @ 6:46am
Kasey said | October 5th 2012 @ 6:46am | Report comment
true Professionals wouldn’t see getting wasted the day after their season ended on a loss as a part of their job. Mad Monday..why? While players in any sport continue to act like teenagers, they’ll continue to get the level of respect and coverage they deserve. Gee you’d think with all of their reputation problems, RL players would be keen to change perceptions not reinforce them.
October 5th 2012 @ 6:55am
crip said | October 5th 2012 @ 6:55am | Report comment
Maybe the players see getting wasted as really great fun.
October 5th 2012 @ 7:21am
The Bush said | October 5th 2012 @ 7:21am | Report comment
A part of their job? What are you talking about?
Everyone lets their hair down. Most “professionals” (ie doctors, lawyers etc) their age let their hair down over a few drinks weekly – these guys have to wait eight months.
Oh and they act like teenagers because most of them basically aren’t much older than that.
October 5th 2012 @ 7:58am
steve b said | October 5th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Kasey you don’t go to partys do you , and the NRL don;t have anymore or any less trouble than any other sport with regards reputation.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:37am
Rabbitz said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Interestingly, the Canterbury RL Club have entered a grey area – fraught with danger.
Clearly “Mad Monday” was condoned and managed by the club. I imagine it was, in fact, put on by the club as it was on club grounds.
This means it was a work event. This brings a whole lot of WHS & HR issues into play.
Forget that they are ‘footy players’ for a moment.
Imagine they are just ordinary employees, who get on the sauce at a work function and commit an act of bullying and/or sexual harassment. That act of bullying or harassment is then picked up by the media and drops the company into a whole world of PR hurt.
How long do you reckon you or I would last before being carpeted, told to clean out our desks and have the company spin doctors make us out as villains who the company is better off without?
The scenario imagined above is exactly is what is alleged to have happened. Employees (players and support staff) were at a Mad Monday celebration (work function) and someone allegedly abused a female reporter (bullying and harassment).
Just because they are ‘footy players’ does not absolve them of the responsibility to act within the moral norms of society, nor does it allow them to act outside the law.
Was it a big deal? – I don’t think so.
Has it been blown out of proportion by the tabloid media? – Absolutely and it was always going to be that way.
Should they have known better? – Of course.
Will this matter in a week or two? – I doubt it.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:41am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Very astute and fair points, Rabbitz.
October 5th 2012 @ 11:48am
AdamS said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
If it was just a company, their lawyers would probably be sueing 9 for invasion of privacy and trespass.
October 5th 2012 @ 12:33pm
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
I worked for a comapny that had a security gaurd at the gate, which was at least 500 metres from our end of year party. Then again i worked for a professional company, not a dogs breakfast amatuer run NRL.
Again which asks the question, do the ARLC or whatever they are called, have they got us under 1 banner yet, no??? do they want to become professional or keep up this dogs breakfast run show we have now, always on the back foot defending.
Give the bilion to charity, lets be done with it.
October 7th 2012 @ 10:38pm
Andy said | October 7th 2012 @ 10:38pm | Report comment
Spot on.Who is guiding these guys. They are kids most of them so where are the mentors or at least their managers. What are they doing on the oval in full view drinking. Are you kidding me. Why wasn’t this organised away from balmoral in a place with a lot more privacy. Why weren’t the media invited let them take a couple of photos and then lock them out. Why advertise the fact that privacy is needed yet be naive enough to believe this would happen. Whoever is in charge of PR over there should hang there heads in shame. Absolute incompetence. Blaming the media is hypocrisy of the highest order. It makes them who they are and they should respect it’s power. It will eat the unprepared.
October 14th 2012 @ 10:13am
Dennis said | October 14th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Balmoral? Your comments just goes to show how ill informed you are. You believe everything the media throws at you. Reserve your judgement before you know the facts.
Firstly the camera shots that you say was in full view of the public was infact taken from a little opening in the fully covered fence/gate equals private function, which wasn’t enough so CH9 decided to fly a helicopter over Belmore Sports Ground……Full view of public? Think again!
October 5th 2012 @ 8:50am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Kasey, I don’t disagree that Mad Monday celebrations are silly and immature. But if you’re going to condemn them, you better condemn Xmas parties, Bucks/Hens parties, 21sts, weekends in Vegas, after work drinks on Friday, etc, etc.
It’s a little unfair to single out rugby league players as the only ones who like to drink and be a bit silly in their downtime.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:29am
ebaaan said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
There’s a massive gulf between ‘immature and silly’ and allusions to violent misogyny. I wouldn’t find comments like these acceptable at “Xmas parties, Bucks/Hens parties, 21sts, weekends in Vegas, after work drinks on Friday” either.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:14am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Totally agree. But the original comment from Kasey was talking about Mad Monday celebrations, and how players shouldn’t have them, not the vile comments that were made.
That’s a totally separate conversation.
October 5th 2012 @ 11:50am
Josh said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
You wouldn’t find comments like these acceptable at bucks parties, 21sts, weekends in Vegas – Well obviously thats why people don’t invite you to these events in the same way the media wasn’t invited to this event and was actually asked to leave. At any Bucks party, 21st or weekend in Vegas or for that matter each and every weekend in the city of Sydney you will hear much worse and people just ignore it. Also I think this issue has been very sexist in making out that Jane and women in general are too soft to be exposed to this kind of language but it was ok the men were – this is 2012 where is the equality and do we really believe a court reporter wouldn’t have heard worse most days
October 5th 2012 @ 12:53pm
sledgeandhammer said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
I dare you drop by the Den on Oxford street tonight in some leather shorts and see if you enjoy the banter.
October 5th 2012 @ 4:36pm
ebaaan said | October 5th 2012 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
I was wondering why I’m never invited to these sorts of things. At least now I can chalk it up to my basic levels of human decency and not being an apologist for abhorrent behaviour.
….and it’s not sexist to think women shouldn’t have sexist violent comments directed at them.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:16am
Acorn said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
stupid comment kasey, 99% of the population let their hair down every weekend. these blokes have to wait 8 months. Your comments have made me thirsty for a beer now
October 5th 2012 @ 9:18am
Kasey said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
99% of the population don’t have a media profile and media commitments to keep either. I’m astounded at the force with which RL people will defend these dirt bags and their disgraceful comments/behavior..everything from blaming the media to “nothing to see here – move along”
October 5th 2012 @ 9:31am
GCTiger said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Well you have just made a media comment and therefore just given yourself a media profile. How about we come around to your house the next time you have a party? I’m sure nothing bad will be said by you or a guest.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:41am
Kim Hart said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
They can come to mine and I will guarantee no-one will threaten a female doing her job.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:42am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Maybe, but can you guarantee something else that’s said won’t make headlines?
October 5th 2012 @ 9:32am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
No one is defending the comments, Kasey. Try to make a distinction between the comments, and the players right to privacy.
It’s worth noting that it may not have even been players who said the comments, so your suggestion that all rugby league players are ‘dirt bags’ probably says more about your prejudices than anything else.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:39am
Kasey said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Well how about I give up a bit of my privacy for the privileges that come from of being a professional sportsman? Quid pro quo, except players too often think it’s a one-way street.
To defend myself I don’t think theres one sport that houses an exemplarary group of players, but RL players do have a reputation and when I was in the Navy we were made acutely aware of the responsibilities we took on upon (chosing to and being accepted by the ADF) to wear the uniform. Ones actions always affect the group and its image. Is that fair? No, but we had a responsibility that was made very clear to us. The enablers on here making excuuses are not helping.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:42am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Players don’t give up their right to privacy. There is nothing in their contract when they sign that says they have.
And what if the players weren’t the one that made the comments?
October 5th 2012 @ 9:43am
GCTiger said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
And no one in the Navy has ever done anything wrong on Shore leave? 99% scumbags then, if I was using your reasoning.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:45am
Kasey said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
And the Navy has a certain reputation so it seeks to educate its new recruits in an attempt to improve. Unlike the NRL Anybody that steps out of line is dealt with quite harshly under the Defence Force Discipline Act. If the NRL was subject to defence standards of discipline, they’d be on cindarella leave for ever. Mind you the ADF now warily treats journos as they would if they came across an angry snake. Doesn’t seem to have helped – any minor incident is suddenly ” Ship of Shame” headlines. As an ex-serviceman it is interesting to read the ‘stories’ and imagine what really happenned based on past experience. Is it true or did you read it in a News Limited paper?
Your Navy reflects your society.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:57am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Some of my mates are in the Army, and I can assure you they’re no angels! If Channel 9 turned up to some of the parties they have, it would be a bigger story than the Bulldogs one!
October 5th 2012 @ 10:00am
GCTiger said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Thats the point Kasey. There is alway’s a dickhead in a group. He will be punished. The papers do make things out to be more than what they are without giving full facts and give a great headline.
Also they are footy players NOT soldiers and shouldn’t be compared to them.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:14am
GCTiger said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/drive/australian-navy-tops-bad-behaviour-list/4262292
“The Australian Navy has topped a league table of bad behaviour across the defence forces.
So far this year a total of 27 serious so-called hot incidents briefs have been recorded, including criminal incidents such as sexual assault, arson and illicit drug use.
Surprisingly it’s not just new recruits who are giving the top brass a headache, as more than half of the incidents reported were caused by senior staffers.”
Don’t throw stones. If navy reflects society then we are in trouble.
Makes the NRL look like choir boys.
October 6th 2012 @ 5:29am
Bazza said | October 6th 2012 @ 5:29am | Report comment
October 5th 2012 @ 10:56am
Kim Hart said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
GCTiger no-one is claiming the ADF isn’t without its issues however you are missing some important points:
1. If this was a Navy/Army party and this same thing occured the culprits would be at DFCE this afternoon (after charge day friday)
2. 27 Incidents amongst 16500 personnel isn’t really so bad a strike rate and importantly these incidents are investigated thoroughly and puished if proven.
3. Hot Issues Briefs detail accidents, deaths, serious injuries, major equipment malfunctions – not just criminal goings on – typical of the ABC to rubberise those figures.
4. Before you throw stones at the RAN/Army etc what have you ever done?
October 5th 2012 @ 11:03am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
OK, I think we’re getting a little off-course here (excuse the Navy pun).
To summarise and get us back on track:
- No one is defending the comments. They were disgraceful.
- We’re not even sure the players made them yet.
- The Bulldogs granted little to no access to the media after the grand final and before Mad Monday
- The article is questioning the media’s intrusion into player’s lives and the banal interviews that give little insight, and whether they are worth the trouble.
- Access, respect and trust are two ways streets.
- The professionalism of all those involved in Australian sport, particularly rugby league, needs to improve.
Discuss
October 5th 2012 @ 11:20am
GCTiger said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:20am | Report comment
My point was not to knock the Navy it was to say that incidents do happen in any occupation. Kasey was using the Navy as example of an organisation that has high standards and can do no wrong.
The fact people do the wrong thing and we shouldn’t blame the organisation because of this.
The media look for incidents and blow them up to look like the world will end espially Rugby League in Sydney..
Like I said they are rugby league players not solders and they shouldn’t be thought of as the same.
Also I have done alot. What is your point?
October 5th 2012 @ 11:23am
Kasey said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Where did I say they can do no wrong tiger? I said the ADF recognise they have a public image that could do with some improving and are taking steps to educate new recruits in order to do so. Even the AFL operates education seminars for New draftees..what does the NRL do?
October 5th 2012 @ 11:37am
GCTiger said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
Where did I say they can do no wrong tiger? Your whole premise was that the Navy do everything to stop things like this happening and that the NRL do nothing. So here have a read….
http://www.nrl.com/About/WelfareEducation/tabid/11036/Default.aspx
Again I don’t have a problem with the Navy.
October 5th 2012 @ 11:57am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
The NRL does a lot in terms of educating players, Kasey. You’re showing some high class ignorance there.
And I’m not sure mentioning the AFL and it’s players is wise. First of all, I’ll ask the moderators to delete anything that starts to resemble a code war. And secondly, the AFL isn’t exactly squeaky clean itself when it comes to player behaviour.
October 5th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Kasey said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
again I never said the AFL players were paragons of good behavior..I wish you blokes would learn to read what I write and not respond to what you wsh I’d written. I simply asked what do the NRL as an organisation do to induct their new players into the job. Most companies have induction days and mine has an annual Safety day to ensure new employeees are fully conversant with out OHS policies. It woulsd make sense if the NRL had media awareness/simple manners around women training for all new first grade players as these seem to be areas that are rip for improvement.
October 5th 2012 @ 12:30pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Apologies for the assumption on my behalf then, Kasey. It did seem like you were being provocative rather than merely asking a question.
The answer is, the NRL does plenty to educate new, and experienced, players. A team led by ex-player Nigel Vagana goes around to all the clubs and holds seminars and workshops with the players. There is also a Ladies Day where young players spend time with prominent females to learn about how to act properly with the opposite sex.
As for your little jibe that rugby league players are ripe for improvement in dealing with women, you have now failed twice to address my comments directed at you in asking, what if the players didn’t even make the comments, as has been suggested?
October 5th 2012 @ 12:33pm
GCTiger said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Thats good because you have your answer now. Unfortunately this doesn’t stop the odd plonker from doing the wrong thing.
Also it may not even be a player that said the remarks so the whole argument is redundant untill we know the truth. Media beat up’s.
Was nice chatting.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:33am
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
How are the one percenters going Kasey.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:40am
Kasey said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
What if I’m part of Mitt’s 47%? LOL
October 5th 2012 @ 9:42am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Nice one, Kasey.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:23am
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
The one percenters are a interesting lot.
I have gone hard in defence of our boys because of Mitt’s.
October 5th 2012 @ 11:26am
Naught said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
I Know Lawyers and Accountants that absolutely have to get hammered every week. Some of them earn more than most the footy players involved so please don’t please “professional”…
October 5th 2012 @ 5:28pm
WrestleManiac said | October 5th 2012 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
I have to agree, I’m a rugby league fan and yet again feel embarassed to admit that because of the actions of some boorish fools. Todd Greenberg knows how badly this incident affects the club’s image, and I wish Bulldogs supporters would see it the same way, rather than defending such demeaning comments.
I’d wager than no-one would tolerate these kind of comments against a female member of your family, so why should anyone sanction the Bulldogs players saying such things.
And mate, I agree in general that the media has a gotcha culture, but that applies to everything, not just sport. Players are paid handsome rewards because of the publicity they generate, it’s not much to expect that they behave well at all times. I know that if I was caught at my place of work abusing someone outside that I’d be heavily reprimanded, and no-one cares about who I am !
Steve Mascord makes some great points about the incredible media access requirements mandated by the NFL upon players and clubs. They are serious about promoting their game, and the NRL should do likewise, after all it is a much more competetive sports media market in Australia.
October 5th 2012 @ 5:34pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 5:34pm | Report comment
I hate to be a broken record, but what if the players didn’t make the comments?
October 6th 2012 @ 9:12am
WrestleManiac said | October 6th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Ryan, even if it wasn’t a player, then it was someone else involved with the club, or let into club premises by the players. Either way, the Bulldogs are still responsible.
October 5th 2012 @ 6:54am
Jason said | October 5th 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
Consider a thought for those a-league marquee players that come from o/s or even our own, constantly answering qns about whether or not they’re coming to pick up a retirement cheque or constantly questioning their performance or the league, rather than appreciating what we have, is becoming frustrating
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October 5th 2012 @ 7:34am
Dean - Surry Hills said | October 5th 2012 @ 7:34am | Report comment
Exceptionally well written Ryan.
You just hit a hole in one.
October 5th 2012 @ 7:45am
Fan said | October 5th 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Great article. I heard Andrew Webster (Daily telegraph) on radio this morning saying there’s an unwritten rule that the players have to talk to the media on Mad Monday. He also said that because the Telegraph promoted the dogs so much during the finals they were some time from the dogs players. These sound lame arguments to me. The media want to drag this on as long as they can.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:55am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:55am | Report comment
I don’t think Mad Monday should constitute a time when the players have to give some time back to the media. Having said that, the Dogs could have easily assigned 30 minutes to the media in the morning, and then had Mad Monday celebrations.
Mind you, does anyone think the media would have then happily left?
Perhaps the players should turn up with a camera in-hand to News Limited’s Christmas Party at the end of the year. . .
October 5th 2012 @ 10:01am
steve b said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
Yeh Ryan and when their asked to leave because they were not invited , they should stand around outside and make a nuisance of themselves , if it was anyone else but the media you would be arrested ,go figure !
October 5th 2012 @ 11:02am
Kim Hart said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Can you be arrested for being in a council park?
October 5th 2012 @ 11:44am
steve b said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:44am | Report comment
yes if you have been asked to leave the area and it depends on the coppers !
October 5th 2012 @ 11:51am
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
Yes, the longer this code panders to the medai, the longer it will stay the media’s, b&^$h.
This is now a billionaires code, yet they are still acting like a dogs breakfast run by amatuers and as i have said. Ryan, have i not said.
Does rugby league want to stay amateur or tunr professional. Steve, you heard me say that.
This is part of growing up, rugby league is still trying to answer the question.
It why i keep saying bring in the yanks, they have already gone through this process.
I have moved on, i am now onto my court case with James Graham, i would take this to the high court if i had to, murderers get off for less.
October 5th 2012 @ 12:00pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
Yes Oikee, you certainly have!
October 5th 2012 @ 7:58am
eagleJack said | October 5th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Agree wholeheartedly that respect and trust is a 2 way street. But in reality the Bulldogs only have themselves to blame. Forget the comments that were made. They were disgraceful no doubt about that. But it is the way the Bulldogs Management decided to shun the media in the wake of the Grand Final which was wrong.
Firstly they did not allow the media into the dressing rooms after the match for fear that all the questions would centre around James Graham. They were the first losing grand finalists to ever do this.
They then told the media to not turn up the next day to Mad Monday. What? This is a very simple drill that ALL clubs have to go through, particularly the Grand Finalists who will always get airtime the following day. All the media ask is for a couple of players to come out and give a small interview, tell them what they are getting up to today, get a few happy snaps and they will be off. If the media choose to stay around, it is up to Team Management to come out and tell them to show some respect, they have fulfilled their duties and let the players enjoy their Mad Monday in peace. The media leave. Everyone is happy.
But this was all too hard for the Bulldogs. They have been happy with the media focussing all year on the positives of the club. We have been bombarded by the Greenberg PR machine. Well now they have to take the other side of it.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:03am
steve b said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
They were disgraceful no doubt about that , why ?
October 5th 2012 @ 8:20am
eagleJack said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Steve so you think the comments were ok?
Look my main point is that the media all year have shown an enormous amount of respect towards the Bulldogs, printing a plethora of feelgood stories about a club rebuilding etc etc. But when it was time for them to show the media some respect, and fulfill a tiny media commitment that every other club does, they failed miserably.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:34am
steve b said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
No i do not think the comment was ok ,but it was made by one , not the intire Dogs squad , and yes i would like to hear why Desi chose not to let the media have access after the game ,but i think he must have had a good reason , because he would have known the drama it would cause ..
October 5th 2012 @ 8:48am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
I don’t disagree with you EagleJack. Like I said, it’s a two way street, and the Bulldogs failed in terms of access after the game, and respect the next day.
I will reiterate my point about the worthiness of changeroom interviews though. Do we really ever learn anything other than someone is happy and someone is not? These types of interviews are for the media’s benefit and no one else. They’re hoping someone says something controversial when caught off-guard.
And then the poor player/coach gets fined if they do say something controversial. As such, most post-match interviews are pretty mundane anyway.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:02am
eagleJack said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Yeah agree with you ROC. I’m not an advocate of these interviews but I guess they are a part of life, have been agreed to by all, and unfortunately the clubs must comply. But they truly are only there to catch players out.
My pet hate are the halftime interviews in rugby union as the player runs off the field.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:09am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
Rules are rules, and every other team has to (and does) abide by them. So the Bulldogs get little sympathy for what happened.
Mate, those rugby interviews drive me mad. Let the poor player get to the changeroom and rest up!
But by far, the worst interviews in the world are 1/4 and 3/4 time interviews with coaches in the NBA. The coaches absolute HATE them, and you can tell. They would prefer to be speaking to their players, and considering the games are live, they don’t want to give away tactics or useful insight. Just stupid and disrespectful. Yet the NBA mandates it because it brings fans ‘closer to the game’. Rubbish!
October 5th 2012 @ 8:24am
Boomshanka said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Ryan
Beautiful Article. I look forward to the day when Journalists take back their pride and shun those that choose to drag their profession through the gutter.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:30am
Will Sinclair said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
A couple of points:
1) The Daily Telegraph alone (regardless of all the other media outlets) spent the week before the Grand Final giving pages upon pages of positive coverage to the Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs.
The value of this free coverage to the club (let alone the sponsors) would run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
In light of this, the Bulldogs failure to spend 30 minutes giving some pictures and interviews the day after a grand final is, at best, poor management and, at worst, arrogance.
2) Notwithstanding the growth in social media, the main way fans interact with and learn about their clubs is still through the mainstream media.
There would have been plenty of shattered Doggies fans (returning to their jobs after a long weekend) who bought the paper on Tuesday looking for a few optimistic quotes from their players or coach.
Again, it seems poor management, bordering on arrogance, that the Bulldogs could not take a few minutes away from their post-season celebrations to provide this feedback.
3) The media was NOT at Belmore to cover Mad Monday.
The Bulldogs played in the NRL Grand Final – one of the biggest sporting events of the year – on Sunday, so it’s only natural that the media will look to do a follow-up piece on the two teams involved the day after the game.
Again, the fact the Bulldogs couldn’t (or wouldn’t) understand this defies belief.
4) NRL players are paid a huge amount of money. This money is generated by the fans, who consume the media that covers the NRL, and by sponsors, who pay to be involved in this media.
Accordingly, the players have an obligation to help promote the game, by granting reasonable access to the media who play such a huge role in generating their pay packets.
Again, it seems strange that an organisation like the Bulldogs could possibly fail to understand this.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:44am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Hey Will,
I agree with some of your points, but will have to disagree on a few too.
1) Hard to argue this point. 30 minutes isn’t too much to ask. Just one thing though, what pictures and interviews the day after the final are really going to newsworthy? And I think it’s a bit rich suggesting the Daily Telegraph covered the Bulldogs out of some form of generosity or charity. They were trying to sell newspapers in the lead-up to what you rightfully call one of the biggest sporting events of the year.
2) I was one of those shattered Doggies fans, along with plenty of mates. None, I repeat, NONE of us were looking for some optimistic quotes from our players or coach. We lost. We’ll try again next year. I don’t need nor want to hear from them the day after they lost.
3) The media was 100% there to cover Mad Monday. To suggest anything else is ridiculous. Why was there a helicopter in the sky? Why weren’t rugby league journalists sent from Channel 9 if it was a rugby league story?
4) ‘Reasonable access’ does not include access to a private party. However, I agree with you that the Dogs should have arranged something for the media, if that is what they wanted. Though something tells me the media got exactly what they wanted. . .
Like I said, the Bulldogs are not without blame here. They should have been more accommodating. But my point about the media’s mentality remains.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:15am
Will Sinclair said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Hi Ryan,
My understanding (and this comes from what I’ve heard in recent days from members of the media, so might need to be taken with a grain of salt) is that the media has a gentleman’s agreement to show up at Mad Monday, get a couple of pictures and a few quotes, then pack up and head home.
If the Bulldogs had provided this, it’s hard to imagine that there would have been any need for helicopters or for the media to hang around outside all day hoping for a few crumbs to take home to their Editors.
No fewer than FIFTEEN NRL clubs (not to mention the AFL) seemed to understand this. Quite why the Bulldogs – who have been so praised recently for their administration – failed to understand it is baffling.
I also understand that the Dogs have been doing the absolute bare minimum in terms of media for a while. It’s not good enough – they have an obligation to the media, to fans and to sponsors to do better.
(And they’re not alone in this, I can assure you.)
October 5th 2012 @ 9:36am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
I don’t disagree, Will. Like I said, it’s a two way street. I don’t think anyone comes out of this episode smelling likes roses, and that’s my issue. Hence the last sentence of my article – I think everyone needs to lift their act.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:06am
Will Sinclair said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
And I don’t disagree with you Ryan.
I think huge parts of the media in this country are an abject farce – chasing the lowest common denominator as their audience drifts away.
That’s why so many of us turn to alternative media sources like The Roar!
But I think – on this occasion – it was the Dogs who were at fault, and not the media sent out there for some post-GF soundbites.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:16am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
The Bulldogs incident was just a catalyst for a larger conversation. I’m not blaming the media for what happened, but it does highlight a worrying trend in journalism.
October 5th 2012 @ 9:43am
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
You wont let this go will you Will.
I can just imagine the boss, go get a report, and wait around until they get drunk, something juicy might happen.
Ok, tell me this Will, if you were going to do a proper interveiw, would you get them drunk then do the interveiw, or make sure they were sobar. ?
Mate i have asked you to let this go. You only make yourslef look more foolish the longer you keep pushing.
Why are they sent to a Mad Monaday while the players are obviously on the turps.
I can tell you one thing, this wont happen again because reporters should be banned from Mad Mondays.
They have shown they are trouble makers stiriing a reaction from the players.
I would now hire security gaurds and call the police outside times arranged for interviews, this is now what the world has come to, hope you enjoy it.
October 5th 2012 @ 4:52pm
AdamS said | October 5th 2012 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
“is that the media has a gentleman’s agreement to show up at Mad Monday, get a couple of pictures and a few quotes, then pack up and head home.’
A League Club and a Journo made a gentleman’s agreement….Well there’s your problem right there.
Better to get a chimp to understand the complexities of tort law than to expect ethical behaviour from either.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:45am
Australian Rules said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
I think your 3rd point, in particular, is an obvious one that so many have missed Will…
For eg…The day after Bledisloe – the media interview R.Deans, the players, the All Backs…get some quotes, the wash-up, review the game, tv news runs a few pics of recovery etc. Pretty standard stuff.
It’s the day after the biggest NRL game of the year. All that was needed was a few snaps and a quote…that would’ve done it. They are professional athletes earnings hundreds of thousdands of dollars to play sport…for them to cry “leave us alone”…”give us our privacy”…and then yell foul obscenities at journalists from a window…man these guys really don’t get it.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:46am
Australian Rules said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Otherwise good article by ROC.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:18am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
I agree, the Bulldogs should have made time the next day. It would have been the right thing to do by everyone.
I do, however, sincerely doubt that the media would have then just packed up and left.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:30am
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
I question this, why then did they not make sure they had the interveiws before they started the Mad Monday drinking session.
Look come-on, the reporters had only one thing on their minds, and as anyone knows, they will hang around and make things happen to get a story.
How many times do you see reporters with camares in someone’s face. If the person makes a comment, like fork off, or pushes the camera, it’s assualt according to these reporters.
They have been caught out now too many times for this old chestnut to fool anyone. It’s only the code bashers who still want to be part of Mitt’s 47% who love this stuff.
Thanks Kasey, i can use this now for good, not evil..
October 5th 2012 @ 11:54am
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Like talking to a brick wall here.
Thanks Ryan, i will acknowledge you in future, not.
October 5th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
I didn’t realise you were asking me a question!
The Dogs should have held a 30 minute session beforehand, Oikee. But the press probably should have left when they didn’t get it. Both sides are in the wrong, but mainly the Dogs for not talking to the media, and then for the origins of the bad comments.
October 5th 2012 @ 12:38pm
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Since when does “i question this” not become asking a question, geez whiz Ryan, thanks for the reply. I thought i was in Wonderland, talking to meself again, it gets lonely at the top,
October 5th 2012 @ 12:50pm
Australian Rules said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
You responded to my post oikee, not Ryan’s.
…and I figured you were lonely but never realised you were “at the top”.
I agree with one comment though…why didn’t they do interviews beforehand (like the Swans and every other team)?
It shows and arrogance and a sooky petulance to behave the way the Bulldogs did.
Oikee – Stop blaming the media.
October 5th 2012 @ 1:13pm
Christo the Daddyo said | October 5th 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
It would help if oikee used a question mark if he wants anyone to think he’s asking a question…
October 5th 2012 @ 3:00pm
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
“i ? this” that better. Hey Aussie Rules, since when should we start trusting the media, what you should be doing is finding out what happened to your guy in Vegas, no report as yet.
Are we going to get a report, like a blood report, for drugs, drink? or just plain foolish behaviour trying to act a fool.
Mate, just asking, your the media darlings lover. I would not trust them as far as i could pee.
October 5th 2012 @ 3:30pm
clipper said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
oikee – he paid the ultimate penalty for his actions, therefore your post is in very poor taste.
October 5th 2012 @ 8:33am
jamesb said | October 5th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Great article Ryan!
I think its fair to say both the Bulldogs and Channel 9 didn’t cover themselves in glory. Its common decency for the players to show manners, not just towards women, but to everyone. I also think some of their players need to present themselves in a professional light when conducted in an interview. Eg Sam Kasiano.
After losing the GF, both Hasler and Ennis did conduct a press conference. Say it was 8 or 9pm Sunday night. The media had a great opportunity to ask them questions about the game, Grahams biting incident etc etc.
Yet roughly 15 hours later, the next day, the media was camped outside of bulldogs HQ. Why was the media (channel 9) there? Was the press conference the night before a waste of time, especially where you still get the media the next day? Also the media did ignore the clubs plea to be left alone. They didn’t.
Would the media like for someone to take footage when they have a XMAS party or at an Logies after party? I don’t think it would be pretty. eg: Karl Stefanovic
Channel 9 using long range mics, and over head helicopters is a disgrace. You can’t defend that! They are footballers, not murderers or rapists! What happens if a girls netball team had a mad monday. They had a party around the pool, where one or two of them would be topless. Would people still be comfortable having a helicopter flying above a PRIVATE party.
Also interesting choice having Jayne Azzopardi as the reporter. She normally reports on politics or general news. Normally it’s Erin Molan or Roz kelly that do the league or sport. The one question raised in this: Did channel 9 purposely used a female reporter in this situation, where there was the possibilty of poor manners from the players on display thanks to the influence alcohol?
I just listened to the Big Sports Breakfast where James Smith and TK interviewed journo Andrew Webster. The interview went for 10 minutes. Not one mention of the Storm’s win. The big three, which we may never see there like, were completely ignored. The interview was about the biting incident and mad monday. No football.
At the end of the day, both parties ,NRL clubs (Bulldogs) and the media (channel 9) need to improve there communication skills.
Like I said earlier, none of them came off a winner, if anything, NRL fans of the game deserve better.
October 5th 2012 @ 10:46am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 10:46am | Report comment
Cheers Jamesb,
Andrew Webster is the chief rugby league writer for the Daily Telegraph. In his interview, he could have easily addressed the Bulldogs drama quickly, then moved onto the Storm and how brilliant they were. He has the power to control his own comments. The fact he didn’t says a lot, no?
October 5th 2012 @ 12:15pm
wisey_9 said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
I’m going to go in and bat here for Channel 9 (wow – I never thought I would say that!)
To suggest that Channel 9 chose to send Jayne Azzopardi to Belmore to act as some sort of bait for drunken players is ludicrous! More likely, she was the best reporter available that day to go down and cover the events.
Which leads me to my next point – I’m sick of everyone on here complaining about the media presence at the Bulldogs Mad Monday session. NRL players are public figures. They are in the public interest. It was the day after the Grand Final! All points meaning that there was a legitimate reason for Channel 9 to be there. If the Bulldogs didn’t front up to the media to answer some simple questions, the media were well within their rights to stick around an wait for a story/angle.
To respect a footballer’s privacy is to not hassle them when they are spending time with their family. Publishing the fact that they said “Suck me off you dumb dog” and “I want to go and punch you in the face.” isn’t an abuse of privacy. It’s exposing them for the idiots that they are.
October 5th 2012 @ 12:45pm
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
You answered your own question, Bait for drunken players. ????
Why send one wom\an to a drunken players end of year. Now you girls are quick to cry wolf, but gee whiz, why even put yourself in that possition.
Look, i would never allow my wife to walk home from a pub alone, i would not send her into a pub alone, but according to you, its ok to have 1 women in amounst a lions den of drunken league players. Did Manly league drunken sponser do teach you guys nothing.
Fair dinkum, if this is going to be the case, then ban all women from footy, fullstop.
Again, you cant have it both ways, i want to be their, wait on, i dont like swaering, hold on, i will accept this as long as it is not at me, hold on, outlaw all that, lets just be kids, no swearing, i dont drink by the way, can we now ban that at a drinking party. Oh for heavens sake.
This is what your bringing to the table.
For the love of god, if this keeps up women will go back to the stoneage.
October 5th 2012 @ 1:16pm
wisey_9 said | October 5th 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
“according to you, its ok to have 1 women in amounst a lions den of drunken league players.”
YES! It should be 100% fine for a reporter – regardless of their gender – to go to a Mad Monday event and expect to be treated with dignity and respect.
There only one of us living in the stoneage around here oikee…
October 5th 2012 @ 3:04pm
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
As long as the cameras are rolling hey, wisey, as long as the cameras are rolling.
Maybe when you wake up to the fact that males are alfa, testosterional beasts with animal instincts, maybe then you might not send your own baby child into the lions den.
Come back and see me when you on my page. Cheers.
October 5th 2012 @ 3:24pm
ebaaan said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
Oikee I’m not sure if you’re the world’s greatest troll or if you actually believe the absolute dribble you come up with most days but your rape apologist ramblings might be better suited to somewhere like the comments section on Andrew Bolts blog rather than here at the roar.
October 5th 2012 @ 3:35pm
oikee said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
Yes, that was dribble, the baby child stuff.
Replace that with sending in a woman on mad monday’s lions den.
October 5th 2012 @ 12:48pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
Thanks for the comment, Wisey.
In reply to your points:
- I agree, I don’t think Miss Azzopardi was sent there as bait. That seems preposterous.
- I disagree. The media was not there to cover rugby league. They were chasing controversy and got it. Yes, NRL players are public figures. Yes, the Dogs should have held a press conference or provided access to players. They didn’t and that was their mistake. But that means it was a private function, and the players should have been left alone.
- It’s not yet confirmed that the players actually said the comments. In fact, it’s been reported that at least 2 of the 3 vile comments weren’t made by players. So you need to be careful being judge, jury and executioner before you have all the facts.
I’m not sure calling them idiots is fair or accurate (yet!). And I’m not sure you’re allowed to decide what constitutes privacy. Spending times with teammates is not private, but spending time with family is? Who made those rules?
October 5th 2012 @ 1:29pm
wisey_9 said | October 5th 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Hey Ryan,
You make some fair points. Like you’ve said, there’s probably a separate and larger conversation to be had about privacy and about the media and the way they act.
I just think that some people here are wrongly blaming the media for creating a story out of nothing, and are saying that the Dogs should have been left alone. They are missing the point. As Christo the Daddyo said -
“The media went to several Mad Monday celebrations. The vast majority of players recognise that they have a degree of responsibility to deal with the media. And by and large it all worked well for all concerned.”
The Dogs players (or staff) acted irresponsibly. They deserve to be brought to account for their actions.
October 5th 2012 @ 3:04pm
ebaaan said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
+1. In response to the title of the article I’d say the doggies definitely got the journalism they deserved.
October 5th 2012 @ 3:27pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
That’s fine, if you believe that. I would struggle to argue otherwise, all things considered.
But there are plenty of other athletes/teams/coaches, etc, that do not get what the ‘deserve’.
October 5th 2012 @ 3:47pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 5th 2012 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
I don’t disagree with any of that Wisey.