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While Australia will come to a standstill on the first Tuesday in November for the running of the 2012 Melbourne Cup, the world will stop for the US Presidential Elections.
Millions will be invested on both outcomes but, unlike our revered Cup when 24 runners will compete, there will only be two contestants looking to win the keys to the White House for the next four years.
The resume and current form of the Cup runners is foremost when trying to find the winner, but this form of analysis has little to do with politics and who could be the next Prez.
If a Cup runner had the form of incumbent President Barack Obama, it would be doubtful if his trainer would even want to run him. The fact that the national polls have Obama (48.4%) and his only challenger, Mitt Romney (47%) locked in a genuine horse race may be indicative of the poor opposition and not the incumbent.
Unlike in Australia, which has had compulsory voting since 1920 and participation reaches up to 95%, only 63% of eligible Americans voted at the 2008 federal elections. Significantly, 68% of African Americans turned out to vote for Obama, crucial for a photo finish.
Polls taken from last week’s first Presidential debate show that Romney won by the length of the Flemington straight and if you watch Fox News the race is all over. Current polls have Obama and Romney in a statistical dead heat, with the President maybe just in front, but new polls expected this week taken after the debate will favour the billionaire challenger.
We can never be sure how influential debates are or any of the other key performance indicators, as no President has ever gone to the polls with a worse set of numbers than Obama and Romney has a highly successful background in business and as the Governor of Massachusetts.
He and his running mate, Paul Ryan, would bring an unmatched experience and expertise in economics and given, the US National debt has just ticked over $16 trillion, logic would dictate that as a winning formula.
Logic, unlike the Cup, is not a factor. It was not a factor when George Dubbya was voted in not once but twice, nor when Californians voted in the Terminator and Minnesota a champion wrestler as their respective state governors.
Americans are paying twice as much now for petrol under Obama; actual unemployment is 22 million with almost 47 million on food stamps, while the debt clock continues to spiral which equates to over 51k for each of the 314 million citizens.
Given all of the facts against Obama, why are the polls so close?
Global bookmakers certainly do not think it is close and, based on consumer weight of money, they have discounted the KPI’s and the national polls and have installed the President a hot favourite at 1.39 and Mitt Romney at 3.55.
This is a market based on people’s money with almost $10 million invested already and is more reliable than polls, simply because it is real while polls are inconclusive and often biased.
While national polling is close, to win the White House, 270 Electoral Votes (EVs) are required and each state has their own set of EVs.
Obama is the hot favourite with bookies because he is already certain to win 142 EVs, while Romney only has 76 in the bag. Obama has another 37 EVs that he is likely to win and a further 72 that are leaning to his blue corner. That gives him a total of 251 EVs, which means he only has to win 19 more votes from the ‘toss up’ states which offer 106 EVs.
He can achieve this by taking out Florida (29) or two or three of the contentious states which include Colorado (nine), Iowa (six), Missouri (10), Nevada (six), North Carolina (15), Ohio (18) and Virginia (13).
State by state polling gives Romney 181 EVs, which means he must win 89 of the 106 votes (84%) from the eight toss up states, a virtual impossibility if the elections were held today, but there is still hope for an upset on Melbourne Cup day.
The new national polls are expected to show a two to four point bump in favour of Romney, which may put him in front and this momentum may influence the state polls and cut into the 72 EVs that Obama has in his ‘leaning basket’.
With three debates left, support for Romney could continue to gain momentum.
Vice President Joe Biden, noted for making gaffes, takes on the very formidable Paul Ryan who is the currently the chairman of the House Budget Committee and an excellent speaker.
It will be difficult for Biden to win this debate, as he has a very weak base to talk from and will likely resort to bullying his opponent and reminding everyone how much he loves his country. He cannot compete on intellect or content, especially if Ryan keeps coming back to the economy.
President Obama would have to improve markedly on his performance in the first debate if he wishes to not lose any more ground in the remaining two debates against Romney. He knows a break-even performance will win him office, but two more dominant wins by Romney and a win by Ryan and the swinging voters could move to the red corner.
The Melbourne Cup is raced over two miles and President Obama has been under the whip now for almost four years. Can he hold on?
History suggests that incumbents will win a second term, but they did not carry the crushing impost of a $16 trillion debt.
Good luck on the first Tuesday in November may the best horse win.
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October 9th 2012 @ 6:59am
peeeko said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:59am | Report comment
“paying twice as much for petrol” – i dont think that is right
October 9th 2012 @ 10:23am
ScottWoodward.me said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
peeeko
Petrol or Gas as the Americans prefer has doubled in price since Obama has been in power according to Mitt Romney. That was a direct quote from his debate last week.
This year is on track to be the most expensive ever for drivers, as gasoline prices soared to all-time highs for September, the fifth record-breaking month in 2012, according to AAA.
In Dec 29 2008 Gas was 1.67 and is 3.866 now.
Read more: http://www.http://ycharts.com/indicators/gas_price
October 10th 2012 @ 1:36am
peeeko said | October 10th 2012 @ 1:36am | Report comment
scott, i live in the US and its definitely not true ( thats probably why romney said it). if you have a better look at the graph, yes gas prices are at all time highs but in the year before Obama came in averaged around 3.5 a gallon. there was a momentary price crash around election time due to the gfc. if you have a look at the grapgh with a ten year timeframe, gas prices are only slightly higher than they were thru most of 06-08. in october 08 gas prices were 3.5 per gallon
October 10th 2012 @ 7:41pm
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 10th 2012 @ 7:41pm | Report comment
Peeko, that’s crap, I was watching CNN the other day and they were quoting gas prices in California @ over $5 a gallon (5.17 from memory)………… how do you react to THAT, mate??
October 11th 2012 @ 5:22am
peeeko said | October 11th 2012 @ 5:22am | Report comment
well its not that price in chicago mate. petrol is definitely at all time highs but romney is simply being misleading by saying that it has tripled since obama came in. do a bit of research other than watching CNN and get back to me
October 11th 2012 @ 8:18am
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 11th 2012 @ 8:18am | Report comment
“well its not that price in chicago mate” >>> well peeko, that’s revealing in itself because that’s the powerbase of Obama and his cronies and where Demo politics are based on questionable practices and (some say) corruption. CNN are yet another cheersquad for Obama, but IF you want me to quote FOX NEWS, peeko, then I’ll do it with much relish
October 9th 2012 @ 11:49am
Cameron said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Why is an article about politics on a sports website?
October 9th 2012 @ 12:06pm
ScottWoodward.me said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Cameron,
Good question, here is the answer.
Politics is now officially classified as a sport and is taxed accordingly to anyone bookmaker who may include it as part of his product mix. Politics is THE growth product for bookmakers with enormous interest on all types of outcomes including councils, states etc..
I find it fascinating to compare the polls with the bookies prices and they often do not mirror.
Hope that answers your question Cameron, even if it was a negative one.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:10pm
Cameron said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
Politics is not a real sport, even if bookmakers say it is just to make money.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:32pm
ScottWoodward.me said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
Cameron
It pretty simple mate, if you are not interested then don’t read it.
October 9th 2012 @ 1:59pm
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 9th 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Hey Scott, the only way the OBAMA racehorse (to utilise him as a starter in a Match race) could beat ROMNEY the racehorse >> is for a two mile race to be held at ARLINGTON PARK in Obama’s hometown of Chicago and a typical hometown FIX be perpetrated (interference, laser light shone in Romney’s eyes down the backstretch, pump him full of Demo juice (courtesy of Chief Stewardess Nancy Pelosi – if you get the drift).
……… but then again , nothing surprises “It could only happen in America “!!!
October 9th 2012 @ 2:38pm
ScottWoodward.me said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
Andrew,
Very good mate.
We are a long way away from the US and if you had watched what has happened over the last 4 years and then watched the last debate, you would expect that Obama would be a rank outsider, but not in America.
I see today that as expected Romney has taken a lead in the polls but Obama is still 1.41 to win go figure!
October 9th 2012 @ 5:39pm
Rabbitz said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
I guess Tristan and the rest are desperate for content now that comedy and politics are being allowed.
And no Scott, being the subject of the bookmakers does not make an object or activity a sport. It just means the bookmakers have found a new way to bleed their targets dry.
October 9th 2012 @ 9:04pm
ScottWoodward.me said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:04pm | Report comment
Rabbitz,
Tristan should be congratulated for allowing Politics on and the last time I looked it does not cost you anything to read it. I do agree with you though about the bookies finding another product.
FYI what ever happens in the USA has an impact on us like it or not so indirectly it could impact sport here. Without the USA we could be playing table tennis and ping pong instead of footy and cricket.
October 10th 2012 @ 11:24am
Rabbitz said | October 10th 2012 @ 11:24am | Report comment
The result of the US Election may have an impact. The lead up “race”, electoral colleges and primaries do not.
More importantly, A big part of the reason for coming and reading the content (and ads) on a sports site is to avoid all of the political rubbish that is served up as news. In other words people come to a specialist sports site because they do not want the politics or comedy or general op-ed – they want sports op-ed and results.
So by reducing the reason to click and read, thereby reducing sponsor exposure seems a bit silly. It is better to be a big player in a niche than to be a tiny player in a massive, over populated field.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:10pm
Floyd Calhoun said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:10pm | Report comment
Has Laurie Oakes got a tip for the Cox Plate? What’s going on here?
October 9th 2012 @ 10:50pm
ScottWoodward.me said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:50pm | Report comment
Floyd,
I am hoping Manighar can come good
October 10th 2012 @ 7:34pm
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 10th 2012 @ 7:34pm | Report comment
Hey Scott, are you sure you don’t mean PIERRO Morgan ???
October 10th 2012 @ 7:40pm
Floyd Calhoun said | October 10th 2012 @ 7:40pm | Report comment
Scott, I’m pro Manighar as well. Also pro Ocean Park for some reason.
October 15th 2012 @ 4:29pm
ScottWoodward.me said | October 15th 2012 @ 4:29pm | Report comment
Floyd
Im spewing he is out
October 15th 2012 @ 9:42pm
Floyd Calhoun said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:42pm | Report comment
Scott, as the old saying goes ; ‘You can lead a horse to water,…………but if you can make it float on it’s back, then you’ve really achieved something’.
October 10th 2012 @ 9:31pm
Tristan Rayner said | October 10th 2012 @ 9:31pm | Report comment
Hi Roarers,
We ran this piece as a trial to judge how well a political piece might be received on The Roar (with some nice connection to the Melbourne Cup).
Scott is a well-known Roarer who writes on a number of different topics and unusual themes. We felt comfortable giving this a go with a view to seeing how it would be received.
It’s clear that some of you haven’t taken to it. That’s good to know. We’re always trying to find what resonates well.
(Suggestions that we’re desperate for content, when we publish more than 400 ‘Roar of the Crowd’ articles, plus more than 35,000 comments a month – let alone our line-up of experts – aren’t quite accurate.)
We’ll shelve anymore Obama stories, unless the similarly named racehorse can really step it up this Spring.
Thanks, Tristan (Roar Ed.)
October 11th 2012 @ 9:58am
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 11th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
I found it quite refreshing to have a spar with Scott and at the same time use a bit of levity and humour
Obviously you all missed my pun on PIERS MORGAN (ex Murdoch hatchetman in England) for PIERRO (current favourite for the Cox Plate)
October 11th 2012 @ 10:03am
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 11th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
on the other hand, one wouldn’t want Alan Jones’s political ‘views’ on here IF that last week’s tasteless remark is anything to go by !!! However, in his absence, perhaps you could ask some contributor from COVENTRY !!!
…………….
October 11th 2012 @ 12:53pm
Tristan Rayner said | October 11th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Too smart for this mug punter Andrew
October 11th 2012 @ 6:08pm
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 11th 2012 @ 6:08pm | Report comment
Tristan, put all your mug money on the All Blacks to win by +13 @ Brisbane, then. Probably will pay peanuts but the monkeys will clean up !!!
woof, woof …………. btw, with a name like Rayner, do you have relations in (NZ) in Wanganui? (in the horsey game?)
October 11th 2012 @ 8:27pm
Tristan Rayner said | October 11th 2012 @ 8:27pm | Report comment
Hehe, I don’t think I do, but happy to let them believe I’m a long-lost eighth cousin for a few tips!
October 12th 2012 @ 10:33am
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 12th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Which convict ship did your lot come out on, Tristan ?
Evan Rayner is a good trainer of both stayers and jumpers……….. plus the odd good miler. I can’t recall Spiro being a thoroughbred historian @ school – allegedly he was more into cricket (and something called Rugby
). Does Jon O’Neill get the guillotine treatment today (they’d probably need a wide block to accomodate both his ‘head’ and ‘mouth’ ) or are they announcing a new tampax sponsorship for the Wannabes ?
October 15th 2012 @ 10:52pm
Emric said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:52pm | Report comment
ahh Saint Pats Stream – School on Saturday morning, rugby on saturday afternoon oh the days
October 11th 2012 @ 10:24pm
Floyd Calhoun said | October 11th 2012 @ 10:24pm | Report comment
Andrew C & Tristan R, sorry to interrupt, but should I go large on Ocean Park or what? It’s from NZ, so you should both know it well! Is Waikato anywhere near Wanaka? Wanaka is alright. So is the Cardrona pub.
October 12th 2012 @ 10:47am
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 12th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Are you a sidekick of Rory Calhoun, Floyd (or an aussie Rules player)? For crissakes mate, Wanaka’s down in the Queenstown area of the South Island, whilst the heart of the Waikato is approx an hour’s drive south of Auckland and known for (A) its Dairy farming……….. (B) its Rugby prowess ……… and (c) it’s thoroughbred breeding – in fact, it’s the centre of horse breeding in (NZ)……………. Gary Hennessy trains OCEAN PARK @ Matamata which is about 30 mins from where I live. With the withdrawal of Manighar for the rest of the spring, it would appear that Ocean Park is about as near to a certainty as one could get with only Sincero a ‘maybe’ danger ………. all the rest are dogs !!! (it’s a bloody terrible field for a Grp 1 and 400k) !!)
October 13th 2012 @ 10:12pm
Floyd Calhoun said | October 13th 2012 @ 10:12pm | Report comment
Calm down, I wasn’t having a go at anyone or anything! I happen to like Wanaka, one of the few places ive been to in NZ, but I’m sure your area is nice too. But still curious about why I might be the sidekick of an Aussie Rules player. Rory is no relation that I’m aware of either.