Is Kurtley a long term solution at Number 10?
By Rickety Knees, 9 Oct 2012 Rickety Knees is a Roar Guru
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- Kurtley Beale, robbie deans, Rugby Union, Super Rugby, wallabies
Australia's Kurtley Beale, right, makes a catch as South Africa's captain Jean de Villiers, left, defends during their Rugby Championship at the Loftus Versfeld stadium in Pretoria, South Africa. (AP Photo / Themba Hadebe)
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The defensive strategy set against a team will largely be determined by the calibre and playing style of the opposition no 10.
It has been interesting to hear about Graham Henry’s disingenuous lauding of Quade Cooper’s skills. Indeed in this way Robbie Deans played into Henry’s hands in the last Rugby World Cup.
The one team that the All Blacks genuinely fear is the Wallabies, especially the Wallaby backs. Cooper had a lamentable Rugby World Cup, where the speed of the defence at this level (as opposed to the slower Super Rugby) reduced Cooper’s time and space, nullifying his passing game.
Henry got his preferred choice Wallaby 10 and the rest is history.
Berrick Barnes offered the European style/traditional play of a kicking no 10. This worked a treat against Wales, where the Wallabies out played Wales at their own game. This style is ineffective against the AB’s, who have no peer in counter attacking kicked ball.
It is less effective against the Springboks, especially when they choose to play a lateral game and counter attack kicked ball.
Henry, assisted the Argentine game plan against Cooper recently on the Gold Coast and again Cooper was found wanting, which in no small way contributed to Cooper’s lamentable “toxic environment” outburst.
Cooper at Test level has been found out and now is not sure if he wants to play for the Wallabies any more.
Left with no other choice, Deans selects the last 10 walking and slots in Beale against the Springboks. Beale shines in an awful team display where the Wallabies were literally and figuratively belted off the park.
This last weekend, against Argentina, the Wallabies second XV defied all pundits (including this one) and recorded a brave victory, with Beale again shining in a sloppy game played in intense humidity.
His deft execution off a set piece play to register the Wallabies only try, was sublime.
Beale gives the Wallabies go forward and ignites the back line in a way that has the opposition guessing. He makes it difficult for the Graham Henrys of this world to set a defensive game plan against him.
His game is truly multi dimensional, his defence is excellent and his intuitive feel for time and space is as good as it gets.
I look forward to when James O’Connor returns, preferably at 12, to provide not only an alternate first receiver which will keep the defence coaches guessing even more, but a deft ball runner to take better advantage on what Beale has to offer.
At the end of the day it is the forwards that win matches with the backs determining by how much. But the cleanout/commitment by the Wallabies in this last match against Argentina was excellent.
Let’s hope that from now the Wallaby forwards can deliver some consistency in this regard and continue to give the backs good front foot attacking ball, allowing Beale to do his thing.
Then we can watch the Wallabies run the ball.
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October 9th 2012 @ 2:44am
biltongbek said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:44am | Report comment
Apart from Beale’s awful moments in the beginning of the RC at fullback he doesn’t have the brain farts that Cooper has.
But in my humble prop forward skewed perception Beale is a more dangerous runner and Cooper the better offloader, but more risky because some of his offloads can realy go haywire.
The few Times Beale played pivot in Super Rugby this season he impressed me.
October 9th 2012 @ 5:20am
mace 22 said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:20am | Report comment
Two soso games and now beale is the new mesiah. Now watch how he plays when the all blacks put him under pressure. They are the best at finding a weakness in a player and ways to exploit it. Can’t wait for the day when Occonner plays 2nd 5 his defence is shocking he’ll be a revolving door.The wallaby forwards look good when they play big slow forwards with no skill ( a bit like the pack they had at the weekend ). But when the opposition up the pace, intensity and skill they look second rate.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:30am
Mantis said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Beale, or any 5/8 really, can only play as well as the players around him. If his forwards arent going forward, and the backs lack understanding and cohesion with each other, this makes life infinitely more difficult. The team we had on the park against Argentina would have barely played together, and so to win under those circumstances was pretty amazing.
Beale has showed he has the goods, I’d like to see what he could do with a fully fit Wallabies side.
October 9th 2012 @ 6:49am
He's ok said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:49am | Report comment
Beales better than Cooper. Cooper has some skill but today’s 1st five has to be able to tackle, kick, pass and direct his backs. But on top of all that be cool under pressure and not have any brain explosions that can put your team mates under pressure. I’d want a guy like that over someone like Cooper any day. Aim high and you get a Dan Carter type. Aim for just ok and you get Cooper.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:16pm
Kuruki said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
Cooper imo is better then any other Wallaby at directing his backs. The problem is he is not being allowed to do so. Beale may be better within the current setup. Cooper can offer more in the right environment. Just look at what he does at the Reds, i am sure he has allot of input into the structure and the setup of the backline. Carter has the same input in the All Blacks. Cooper would be the best 10 in Australia under any other coach and Beale would probably have been playing so well he would have never been asked to move.
October 9th 2012 @ 4:26pm
Jiggles said | October 9th 2012 @ 4:26pm | Report comment
Thats pretty spot on.
October 9th 2012 @ 6:55am
Red Kev said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:55am | Report comment
It comes down to if he plays at 10 for the Rebels and improves his passing game.
One of my biggest pet hates is shuffling players around the backline when it isn’t forced by an injury during a match.
Either Beale is a 10 or he’s a 15, play the whole damn Super season there and play for the Wallabies there if he’s the best in that spot.
Barnes and AAC need to pick a damn spot and play it and be considered for that spot at national level, if they lose out to someone better there is no need to shift them out of position just to accommodate them, neither is that good.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:25am
jutsie said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
The rebs don’t have any tens other than beale and O’Connor as cips and hilgendorf are gone.
Hopefully beale plays at 10 all season and O’Connor either at 12 or if he really prefers it then 15. But both need to pick a position and stick to it.
October 9th 2012 @ 1:12pm
Wal said | October 9th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Agree 100% the only exceptions are not Fullbacks make good Wingers (not the other way around) And you can often shift a player out 1 spot in the backline.
Cullen – an amazing fullback pretty average centre.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:40pm
joeb said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:40pm | Report comment
“Either Beale is a 10 or he’s a 15,”
Red Kev, up until very recently he was our best 15, and would chime into the backline beautifully, but admittedly his talent enables him to literally play anywhere in the backline. The real test for any of our pivots is up against quality oppositions, namely the ABs and Boks. I hope we’re not closing out Quade simply because of an off the cuff remark re ‘toxicity’ in the camp, and why else would O’Neill have had to address the team in the sheds after – was it Bledisloe 1 or 2? – due to the incumbent coach being unable to face the team? We should find out in Brisbane on Oct 20 how effective Kurts is in QC’s position, but I wouldn’t write off the Genia/Quade partnership just yet, and considering what one observant scribe recently wrote:
“No one in the 16-year history of Super Rugby ever had a season like the one he [QC] put in with the Queensland Reds last year. Cooper attempted things on the rugby field that no one else had ever dreamed of and in almost every case he pulled them off. And the expectation was that, in the more polished company of the country’s best players, he would not only maintain that form for the Wallabies but reach new heights.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/quade-coopers-rant-lifts-the-lid-on-deeper-team-malaise/story-e6frg7v6-1226483734533
October 9th 2012 @ 3:03pm
Red Kev said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Hey I’m a Reds fan and mounted an (almost) one man defence of Cooper in a thread last week against the roar of the crowd. I would be very happy if Australian rugby had Cooper and Beale and Lealiifano and Foley/Barnes (whoever Cheika choses as his flyhalf) all in good form and the coach was smart enough to only select 2 of them for the Wallabies.
October 9th 2012 @ 7:25am
RobUSA said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
I think Beale can deliver at 10, but he needs to work on his conditioning and deserves an extended run.
He’s a quick thinker and seems to like making the decisions on the pitch.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:49am
Rickety Knees said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
I agree Rob, Beale certainly needs to be at top fitness to keep the 10 spot. He is looking better now but was decidedly over weight leading into the RC.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:57am
Jutsie said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Agree, I said in the bett mckay article that it has to be a combined effort between the rebels, wallaby management and beale himself to ensure he never gets that out of shape again. He is too valuable to both teams.
October 9th 2012 @ 9:27am
rl said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
sorry to be a pessimist, but Beale has been there before, and I’m pretty sure he’ll go there again. Which is why he can never be our first choice 10. 15 is obviously also important, but we seem to have more options there when he decides to switch off. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a gifted player. A fantastic 15, who can chime in as playmaker during the game.
October 9th 2012 @ 9:34am
He's ok said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
You’re judging how Beale played in that position when he was 19 years old. Were you better at things at 23-24 than you were at 19?
October 9th 2012 @ 10:18am
rl said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Yes, I was better. And I agree – WHEN FIT, he’s an immeasurably better player now.
But its the “fit” part that concerns me, and its the off-field “drifting” that I was referring to. This latest effort isn’t his first time. I’m sure he had the Tahs management in absolute fits at times. And yet here he is at 23, still doing it.
One thing I’ll say in defence of Quade – he came back from injury in absolutely top nick, after working hard with a trainer (I’d venture that Beiber will be the same). Beale has repeatedly come back from injury or off-season looking like he ate the trainer!
I’m very happy for Beale to be starting 15 – I think he is far more damaging there, and can pick and choose the moments he wants to stand at first receiver during a game. But in the event he again decides to “clock off” off-field and it affects his on-field performance, I think its far less disruptive to the team to lose your starting 15 than your 10.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:43am
rl said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
On reflection I’ll concede to having Beale at 10… IF you can give me Chris Latham at 15!!
Seriously though, I’d just be happy for the WBs and Rebels coaching staff and the players themselves to sit down and agree to the plan for Beale & JOC and just give them a whole season in their chosen position (barring injury of course).
October 9th 2012 @ 9:46am
Blue Blood said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
I’m inclined to agree. Beale can look great. But he can also be woeful. Unfit (read beer gut at the Wallabies from frequent binge drinking as shown on his own twitter account) bad attitude, ill disciplined (on and off the pitch including the court case still pending that stemmed from another late night drinking session). I just think it is unwise to invest so much responsibility into a man who shows that he can be unstable in judgement consistently. A form Beale is a great thing, but he seems to always be one headline away from a career meltdown.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:19pm
Kuruki said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
I wonder if Beales sudden improvements are more to do with fitness then where he is playing.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Mike said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Good point.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:27pm
Jutsie said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Im not sure, but either explanation is plausible. He was playing quite well for the rebs whilst out of shape when at 10 however its hard to guage whether the super form would have transferred to test level.
I think more important than either his fitness or the position would be the off-field dramas playing in the back of his mind.
October 9th 2012 @ 7:30am
Hugo said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Did anybody notice how well Beale tackled the Pumas? He’s apparently been able to learn something QC couldn’t and can’t.
Beale will become a top class 10 with coaching. Right now he jinks and dodges and fools nobody. But when he held up his pass running flat, and Digby at last was able to run into the I/C spot, everything worked.
Yes, IMHO Beale will only be challenged for the 10 spot when Lealiifano returns
October 9th 2012 @ 9:21am
Markus said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
I’ve started to wonder whether Lealifano will be able to bring that same form to the Wallabies.
He’s always had the talent, but his breakout season has coincided with the added structure that Larkham brought to the Brumbies backline, an approach that Deans does not seem to go with coaching the Wallabies backs.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Kuruki said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
So what now does JOC go back to playing fullback? Too much merry go round in the Wallaby backline.
October 9th 2012 @ 7:40am
Hugo said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:40am | Report comment
BILTONG – Speaking of 10s, rotten bad luck re the Goose. Really enjoyed watching him. But now Elton gets his shot and as people saw on Saturday, the guy can kick. Come November, he’ll run rings around Toby Flood. Ireland will be spirited but you’ll roll them. And Scotland won’t be much opposition, specially in those ridiculous new jerseys.
October 9th 2012 @ 7:50am
biltongbek said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Yeah, got to feel for him, he was out for near five months and now again, hopefully Meyer persists with Jantjies and give Lambie a go as well. Please not Morne steyn.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:22pm
Kuruki said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:22pm | Report comment
I dunno i reckon Steyn will get the nod again.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:00am
Grimmace said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
I think you’re on the money. He isn’t there yet but willl be. He cops a bit of flack for not having a great long passing game but every footballer in every position in the world is limited in some way. As long as he does the basics right, follows the plan, keeps the brain farts to a mininum and is alowed time in the position he should go well. Not to mention shbe careful what he says in the public domain and keep out of the pub.
This all hinges on the piggies aiming up which they did on the w/e. I never thought I’d say this, but Benn Robinson made a real impact when he came on. Many people are quick to jump on the WB pack when they get pushed around but they asserted dominance over the Argies little numbers.
October 9th 2012 @ 9:00am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
It’s a yes from me Rickety…
October 9th 2012 @ 10:37am
Rickety Knees said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Cheers Mate, in my orginal article I mentioned Beale’s indigenous intuitive feel for time and space, which was edited it out. I have spent time in the indigenous world and remember watching an AFL carnival in Pitjantjatjara country (Simpson Desert) – I was amazed at the players speed, athleticism, feel for time, space and graceful way they played the game – in bare feet. Little wonder the SAFL has a fulltime development officer working there. Beale – like Mark Ella before him – has these gifts. I only hope that the powers-that-be do all they can facilitate Beale’s development at 10 for the Spring Tour and onwards. I would build in a proviso – something like “stay fit and out of trouble and the job is yours for the Spring Tour”.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:43pm
Blue Blood said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
Isn’t it sad that the following may actually be required for a Wallaby:
I would build in a proviso – something like “stay fit and out of trouble and the job is yours for the Spring Tour”.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:49pm
Rickety Knees said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
It is BB – how else can you explain their collective disregard for the privilege of being a Wallaby – KB – consistantly overweight, drunk and disorderly, JOC – punch ups with KB and QC, juvenile food fights, QC, theft, fights and doesn’t want to play for the Wallabies anymore until they have a training ground that he approves of. Mate, its all their brand and their product ….
October 9th 2012 @ 9:01am
peterlala said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
RK, excellent article.
Kurtley Beale was a star flyhalf for St Josephs college in Sydney — really head and shoulders above his peers. He showed promise for the Rebels this year. And looks promising as a Wallaby.
Between his school days and now, his skills were honed at the Waratahs…which coincided with such a slump in form, that his skills as a flyhalf were almost forgotten.
October 9th 2012 @ 9:32am
Markus said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
I love the use of ‘honed’ to describe what the Waratahs did to Beale’s flyhalf skills.
A little while back I posed the question on here who was the last Wallabies flyhalf the Waratahs developed, and the answer was Nathan Grey.
Says it all really.