McKay vs O’Connell, round 2: a rah-rah grills a leaguie
By Ryan O'Connell, 9 Oct 2012 Ryan O'Connell is a Roar Expert
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The Melbourne Storm's Billy Slater (left) scores a try against the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs during the NRL Grand Final at ANZ Stadium in Sydney on Sunday, Sept. 30, 2012. (AAP Image/Paul Miller)
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Earlier in the year, fellow Roar Expert Brett McKay and I grilled each other about our respective codes. And now, with the NRL grand final and The Rugby Championship in the rear-view mirror, we thought it would be a good time to grill each other again.
I’m up this week, and Brett will face the music next week.
For the uninitiated, it’s your basic Q and A format. However, the twist is that the five questions are only supplied a few hours before our deadlines, meaning there is little time to check facts, ponder the questions deeply, or over-analyse. The responses are therefore off-the-cuff and are our immediate thoughts to the probing questions.
Brett McKay: At the risk of starting with an ‘I told you so’, the Melbourne Storm are the 2012 NRL Premiers. Which teams are most likely to challenge them in 2013?
Ryan O’Connell: That’s a frisky start! At the risk of replying to your ‘I told you so’ with an ‘I told you first’, I predicted the Melbourne Storm to win the 2012 premiership in my NRL season preview back in February. So back in your box, McKay!
It’s obviously very early for 2013 predictions, but seeing as this was just year one of Des Hasler’s rebuilding project at Canterbury, and they’re adding behemoth Tony Williams to an already imposing pack, it’s safe to assume the Bulldogs will be in the mix again next season.
I also think Souths will learn a lot from their finals experience this year, and with a healthy Adam Reynolds they could have easily made the grand final this season.
Manly simply had injury issues at the wrong time of the year, so there’s no reason why they can’t challenge for the premiership again.
Outside of this year’s top four? For the second year in a row, the Wests Tigers have used the off-season to build a premiership roster… for the Cronulla Sharks. Beau Ryan and Chris Heighington are fantastic additions, and along with Luke Lewis, it means the boys from The Shire may finally bring home that elusive title.
My smokey for next year? The Titans, who overcame a horrible start to the year – on and off the field – to finish the season strongly, and who will also be adding Big Dave Taylor.
BM: This isn’t designed to start a code war argument again, but do you share my thoughts that the NRL grand final feels a bit ‘tokenish’, after the grand spectacle of the AFL’s equivalent?
RO: Neither competition can control how well the teams will play on the day, so the spectacle of the actual game just comes down to luck and/or viewer preference of the sports.
However, you can control how the event is run.
I’ll be brutally honest and say I missed my first ever AFL grand final, as I was on a plane somewhere over Abu Dhabi. So I’ve only seen the Swans versus Hawks game, not the entire production. It would therefore be irresponsible of me to compare the two spectacles.
What I can comment on is the NRL’s show in a vacuum. And I thought it could have been much better. Delivering the trophy via a Black Hawk helicopter? Been done. An American pop/punk band singing before the game, one of them wearing a Souths jersey? Irrelevant, confusing and lame.
It’s the biggest day of the year for rugby league, and you have plenty of casual fans tuning in for perhaps the one and only time. For goodness sake, spend some money and make it a truly amazing spectacle from start to finish.
BM: How did you rate the new (but actually old) NRL Finals format?
RO: Anytime you have the best two teams from the season playing in the grand final, the system should be deemed to have worked. It’s really that simple.
Moving away from the McIntyre system was a smart move. The change offers greater protection for the top four teams, all of whom only need to win two finals matches to reach the grand final, while the bottom four ranked teams must win three. Additionally, the minor premiers and the team that finished second are guaranteed two home games.
How did I rate it? I’ll stop short of saying its perfect, but I think it’s great.
BM: Is there currently a bigger blight on the game than the situation that forces young Kiwis to choose between playing for their country or an Origin payday?
RO: In light of the scandal that has erupted over the Bulldogs Mad Monday celebrations, I think we can safely say that there currently is a bigger blight on the game.
But be that as it may, yes, representative eligibility remains a massive issue for rugby league.
Origin players currently receive $20,000 per game and New Zealand players reportedly receive $5,000 per Test.
You don’t have to be a mathematical genius to note the discrepancies in pay. And with players pushing for Origin payments to increase to $50,000 per game, you can’t blame young Kiwis for not wanting to leave approximately $150,000 on the table, if it’s offered to them.
I don’t have the perfect answer, but I would suggest some out-of-the box thinking is required to solve the issue. It may take some financial sacrifices from the Australian rugby league Commission, if they truly care about international football. In other words, propping up the New Zealand player payments.
Something certainly needs to be done, put it that way, because the eligibility rules right across rugby league are a complete farce. And for some reason, I now have the “That’s in Queensland!” tune stuck in my head…
BM: And following on from that topic to finish, have the post-season internationals run their course? How much interest will there be for this weekend’s Test in Townsville?
RO: It was interesting to note Australian Kangaroos coach Tim Sheens’ concern about the one-off Test versus New Zealand. Specifically, he was worried about the motivation levels of his players.
That should have sent alarm bells ringing. If the players themselves can’t get excited about the game, how is the public meant to?
The four Melbourne Storm players, Cooper Cronk, Cameron Smith, Billy Slater and Ryan Hoffman, may struggle to get back ‘up’ from the high of their premiership win. While players like Darius Boyd, Brett Morris, Greg Bird, Nate Myles and Robbie Farah won’t have played for over a month.
It doesn’t sound like the ingredients for a great game.
To answer the question, I think post-season internationals that involve an overseas tour, or a tournament like the World Cup or Four Nations, still have their place. It’s a lot easier for the coaching staff to prepare the players for those types of games.
But I think one-off Tests are a completely different kettle of fish, and I question their merit at this time of the season. As such, I think interest in the Townsville game will be quite low.
Ryan is an ex-representative basketballer who shot too much, and a (very) medium pace bowler. He's been with The Roar as an expert since February 2011, has written for the Seven Network and NBA Down Under, and been a regular on ABC radio. Ryan tweets from @RyanOak.
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October 9th 2012 @ 5:44am
jus de couchon said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:44am | Report comment
Tame, tame , tame. Bret , youre far too polite. Ask him about the next RLWC farce.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:24am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Jus, I think the last two questions give rise to the somewhat farcical nature of international rugby league, but feel free to elaborate or ask the question yourself..
October 9th 2012 @ 9:26am
Go warriors said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Jus what is farcical about the next RLWC. That is how the sport grows internationally and if you have not noticed the sport is now played in a lot of countries.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:10am
Mantis said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:10am | Report comment
The farce is that there are two teams that can realistically win the comp, and thats only if Australia dont turn up. That, and the fact that the pinnacle of the game is a 3 game series played between two states. International league will never take over State of Origin, and because of this the international game will always struggle.
Not trying to start any league vs union arguments or anything like that, thats just how it is.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:23am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Mantis, it’s very difficult to argue with your points, mainly because you’re spot on. However, I think the danger is comparing sports like their apples and apples. (I know you weren’t, but I can see where this might end up!)
The traditional set-up for sports builds upwards towards international play (represent your suburb, to city, to state/province, to country). However, two of Australia’s biggest football codes don’t really follow that path.
AFL, by virtue of it being a completely localised game, stops at the city level. There is no international play, and State based football (Origin) is no longer. However, the equivalent of Carlton playing Collingwood in rugby union is Sydney Uni versus Eastwood. Compare the two at that level, and AFL wins by a long, long way.
And rugby league, in Australia, peaks at State level, followed by club level, with international play coming in third. Now, whilst rugby is stronger at international level, NSW vs Qld games in Union pale in comparison to State of Origin.
And then Football/Soccer in Australia is another whole kettle of fish, due to the dominance of the European Leagues.
My point is, whilst you may classify International rugby league as a farce, there are elements of rugby union I would classify in the same way. Like, for example, the gap between club rugby and Super rugby.
It’s all relative, and in some ways, you can’t even compare the four football codes due the massive differences, and the challenges they all face.
But I think International rugby league could do a lot more to grow the game.
October 11th 2012 @ 11:52am
Mantis said | October 11th 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
You’re right about the relativity, and it is hard to compare them. In terms of spectacles though, an International match is always the highest. Two countries going against each other. Two states, or two suburbs, just doesnt seem to cut it in comparison.
The gap between club rugby and super rugby is a problem that the ARU need to address urgently. But i would take that anyday over having a gap at the international level.
October 9th 2012 @ 12:19pm
Go warriors said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Mantis that is rubbish. Australia didnt win the last world cup when the hosted it so what make you think they only have to turn up. England at home will be very difficult to beat, then you have the likes of France and Wales who have improved dramaticly and will certainly be capable of a big upset. Then you have the Pacific Island teams Samoa, Tonga and Fiji. You only have to see how many talented Pacific Islands there are in the NRL to know they will be tough. Also PNG will be tough as well, they almost beat the pm 13.
State of origin is huge but it is only the pinacle in Australia. Everywhere else playing for their country is the pinacle. The most important factor to come out from the world cup is to make a profit. The last world cup made a profit of 5 million, small compared to other sports but still a lot of money. That money has been used to spread the game and I dont think you have any idead how much the game has grown internationally. A lot of new countries are now playing RL and have big international schedules.
I am glad you are not part of the International Rugby League with such an ignorant attitude.
October 9th 2012 @ 1:13pm
PJ said | October 9th 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
Go warriors you are dreaming buddy RL followers seem to think the world actually cares about RL. The fact of the matter is Western Sydney, Qld, South Auckland & Northern England are the ONLY places in the world who actually give a toss about RL. The RLWC is a farce most of the “international”teams will be made up of Australian based players some will even be playing in third division competitions like the Bundy Red Cup.
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October 9th 2012 @ 2:28pm
League fan said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
PJ you are wrong RL is not just played in Sth Auckland it is played all over NZ just as it is played all over Australia. In fact the sport is played in about 40 different countries. You will also find if you bother to look there are international rugby league games played all over the world.
Also those uneducated bogans earn money in their footy careers than you will ever earn.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:36pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
“Rugby league has a place for uneducated bogans and Queenslanders. . .”
One of the more disgraceful comments I’ve seen on The Roar. You should be ashamed of yourself, PJ.
It’s ironic that you bring up education, because wherever you were educated has a lot to answer for.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:25pm
Zippa said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
PJ did those uneducated bogans use to pick on you at school and the only way you can express yourself is to hide behind a keyboard with a fake name.
Also I think you need to get out a bit more because you will find RL is now played in a lot of countries and is growing rapidly.
October 9th 2012 @ 5:11pm
Col Quinn said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
PJ.
the European Union Sports Foundation is funding the spread of RL throughout Europe. I can remember it was only a few years ago that the French RU backline were NZ born and the more recent spread of NZers and Pacific Islanders into the English RU team. Why are you so derogatory about RL.
October 9th 2012 @ 5:17pm
PJ said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:17pm | Report comment
League Fan – You really shouldn’t make comment on ones salary especially when you dont actually have an idea of what i do for a job, i have enough money to be spending 4 children to leading private schools so i actually earn more money than probably 90% of NRL players the difference being i will be able to earn this money for the next 25 years unlike a RL player. –
Ryan why is this comment so disgraceful? I have had the unfortunate pleasure of working with a large number of NRL players and from my personal experience the vast majority of them are uneduacated people with limited brain capacity who require someone to tell them where they need to be at what time they need to be there and what to wear. As with anything you have your exceptions. Ryan i dont always agree with what you write but you are entitled to an opinion, just like i am.
Zippa – no i was lucky enough to be raised in an area where bogans were few and far between, arent you hiding behind a fake name as well? hypocrisy at its finest. Do you know what Hypocrisy is? or should i post a link for you?
RL might be played in 40 countries, when it is only played seriously in two states of Australia one has to worry about the longevity of the sport, when it is preferable to play for ones state over ones country the sport has problems, When people who were born and raised in another country want to play for Australia for monetry reason the game is in trouble.
October 9th 2012 @ 5:39pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
True, you’re entitled to your opinion, PJ.
I just think you could have chosen your words more carefully and wisely, so as to not to appear so vindictive and elitist.
Your point about the limited reach and interest about rugby league could have easily been made without calling everyone involved in the game an “uneducated bogan”.
October 9th 2012 @ 7:04pm
Go warriors said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:04pm | Report comment
PJ it is obvious you dont like RL so why bother commenting on it and why post comments that are just not true. You claim league is only popular in parts of Australia, NZ and England.
Lets correct the facts here. League is played all over Australia, NZ and England. Look up google, wikipedia or whatever and tell me what the national sport of PNG or the Cook Islands is. Also while you are at have a look at how many league clubs there are in France, Wales, Sth Africa, the USA and feel free to check out all the international RL fixtures happening around the world.
I know you dont like league but dont let your insecurity you have get in the way of the facts.
October 9th 2012 @ 6:15pm
PJ said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
Ryan – Point Taken, i just get sick of hearing RL followers going on about how great the game is, RL in my opinion is not a skillfull game. These days it is a game played by athletes, there are no footballers these days. To play RL you need to be over 100kg and able to run fast and jump high to contest the inevitable kick to the corner that happens at the end of every set of 6.
The fact that State of Origin is the pinacle of the sport proves it is a minnow game. If you want some info about how the inside of a RL club is run feel free to get in conatct.
October 9th 2012 @ 6:55pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:55pm | Report comment
Surely if you love something, you’re allowed to profess that affinity for it? What is wrong with a rugby league fan saying how great their game is? It’s an opinion. Without them, this site doesn’t exist.
The only issue I have is when people start the inevitable “my game is better than yours” garbage. That, I have no time for.
My opinion is that rugby league is an extremely skillful game. You disagree. That’s fine, I have no drama with that. There are sports I struggle to get ‘into’ as well.
(I would also suggest that being 100kg, with the ability to run fast and jump high, are quallities possessed by many athletes, if not most, around the world!)
October 9th 2012 @ 7:14pm
eagleJack said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:14pm | Report comment
Shock darnit PJ you must be the smartest, richest man I know. Bet you don’t even need to go huntin possums at night for supper or nothin. You prolly eat out at fancy restaurants like KFC whenever you goddam please. Man what I wouldn’t give to live in your shoes PJ. Mighty sweet life it would be.
October 11th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Mantis said | October 11th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Mate, Australia didn’t win the last world cup because the Kiwis were up for it and we weren’t. That comes down to International footy coming second to state footy for us. So many times I’ve watched the Kangaroos play NZ, and it is always NZ that seems to play with more passion. The Kangaroos still win the majority because they are the better side.
As far as other teams go, England in England might test us, but I’d still expect to beat them the majority of the time, and comfortably. As for other world sides, the City Country teams would beat them. Thats just the facts.
And as for your last comment, I’m also glad I’m not on the International council. It will always struggle when Origin is seen as the peak. Its not an ignorant attitude I have, it’s a realistic attitude. You should try it from time to time.
October 10th 2012 @ 5:10pm
David Heidelberg said | October 10th 2012 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
Do you have any idea how much football fans laugh at comments like that? There is only one World Cup, and it isn’t rugby.
That said I love watching the World Cups for all three codes, PNG came within a whisker of upsetting England at the last RLWC, the magic of sport.
October 9th 2012 @ 9:27am
Col Quinn said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
What is the RLWC farce? Incidentally, the RLIF owns the name Rugby World Cup. It is stamped on the original 1954 trophy. I went to many games in RUWC in 2003 and I saw some of the most farcical one sided contests I have ever seen in international sport. The most recent RUWC had some of the most doctored seedings to ensure the NZRU side had more than an even chance of reaching the final. Get out of the glasshouse and stop throwing pebbles.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:10am
Sledgeandhammer said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Didn’t the so called ‘minnows’ do well in New Zealand though? It was great watching the ‘beardies’ from Canada do battle agains the big boys, Tonga beat France, Romania almost best Scotland, Japan played a huge game against France and the USA scored a memorable try against Ireland. It was just so exciting to see the second tier nations competing and they are just getting stronger. Exciting days in international rugby I’m sure you’ll agree.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:41pm
League fan said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
Sledge the same can also be said about the last RLWC. PNG almost upsetting England, Fiji pulling off a big upset of France and making the semi final, Ireland beating a very strong Samoa side and then ofcourse the memorable final NZ knocking off Australia.
Both rugby codes are growing strongly on the international stage and let hope that continues.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:55pm
Sledgeandhammer said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
Great to hear PNG doing well at rugby league internationally, they deserve to based on passion for the game alone.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Zippa said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
PNG almost beat the PM 13. They are also looking at entering a PNG team into the QLD cup so some good things coming out of PNG. Also good to hear RL doing well in Europe, Canada, Jamaica and the USA.
Lets just hope the next RLWC can make a profit so we can further assist developing nations.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:09am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
As is being debated on another post today, the weaker nations in the world have to start somewhere. I don’t have an issue with either World Cup . Though I would like to see more being done to grow rugby league internationally.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:53am
Col Quinn said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Ryan,
There is considerable work being done with minnow RL nations in Europe. The RL minnows in Europe have a very busy schedule of internationals. We just don’t see the reporting in Australia. We have come to expect the highest stands in all the codes played in the Country and if another nation doesn’t come up to those high standards them we ignore their efforts. I was in Germany last May and saw 20 minutes of highlights of Germany V Russia on German TV. Russia won. There appeared to be about 1000 spectators, the standard was somewhere between the NRL and NSW Cup and the ground was similar to Ringrose Park but this is a start.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:59am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
That’s absolutely fantastic to hear Col.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:47pm
League fan said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
Just to add to that Col Canada have had a huge international season. They recently just played an English development side and had a crowd of over 5,000 in terrible weather. They also had a crowd of over 4,500 for a game against Jamaica and got good crowds against Lebanon and the USA.
Very impressive for a country that did not qualify for the world cup next year.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:38am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Well done, Mr Oak, though I recall no such prediction from you about the Storm and thus remain out of my box AND flying the flag..
Can’t disagree with your point about Good Charlotte and the Souths jumper (I still don’t get that), I completely agree that the ARLC is simply going to have to resolve the eligibility issue financially in conjunction with NZRL, and I think even Tim Sheens concedes interest may be an issue for the Test this weekend.
Likewise Tim Prentice, for that matter: http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/10/09/kangaroos-v-kiwis-is-there-a-care-factor/
October 9th 2012 @ 9:10am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Cheers Brett,
Although, I think you just basically admitted to not reading my columns. Thanks, ‘mate’.
For your reference:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/28/nrl-season-preview-where-your-team-will-finish/
October 9th 2012 @ 9:29am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
you’re a writer, are you??
October 9th 2012 @ 8:46am
NF said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Interested to see how O Connell will respond back to you Brett, I enjoyed round 1 I’m sure he will respond with some interesting questions. Hopefully it doesn’t descend into the usual league-union bickering which never goes away no matter what. As for the first question I’m certain Cowboys will be in the mix 2013 with there combination of youth & experience combined with an ever increasing defensive effort they can only got forward considering the talent at the club.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:29am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
NF, it stayed civil last time, so we’re hopeful that will be the case again this time. I’ve got something else in the pipeline for next week, so I might tackle my questions from Ryano later this week (that’s jolted him into action…)
October 9th 2012 @ 11:07am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
NF, as Brett mentioned, we avoided a code war last time, so we’re hopeful of doing the same. The catalyst for this idea was the fact that ‘outsiders’, for lack of a better word, sometimes notice different things about the sport that isn’t their primary focus, as opposed to those that live and breath it.
That distance and objectivity has given rise to some great conversations between Brett and I, and we thought we’d share that perspective with Roarers.
Now, I better get thinking of my questions for McKay. . .
And as for your Cowboys selection, I actually picked them to make the grand final this year, so I support your thinking. In answering the question, it’s hard not to just pick the top 8!
October 9th 2012 @ 12:43pm
NF said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
As for international rugby league it’s unfortunate and it my ideal code RL would have a greater international footprint aleast on equal grounds or near with RU aleast it would of been nice if RL/RU were on equal footing internationally but alas it wasn’t meant to be which sucks. For RU to grow internationally is good for them it would be nice if RL was about to do the same long time ago but realistically it’s too late as it doesn’t have the resources/reach the IRB have throughout the years through there successful development of the game internationally. Yet RL tends to be plagued with backwards thinking, insular, reactive & lazy people who stifle the game’s progress even since it was formed.
It annoys me that RL has a tendency to shoot itself in the foot more than any other code it’s shocking yet it keeps on going no matter what despise those wanting it to perish throughout the years. Ryan/Brett your thoughts?
October 9th 2012 @ 2:46pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Rugby league is certainly resilient, NF. It just keeps on picking itself up off the floor, and carrying on.
Yet there is no question that the greatest damage done to the sport over the years has always been at the hands of. . . itself. From player behaviour, the Super League war, journalists that want to bite the hand that feeds them, a lack of direction and a strategic plan, salary cap cheating, insular/self-serving/protective attitudes, and I could go on and on.
As you said, the code has a frustrating penchant for shooting itself in the foot. Whilst every code has their issues, you can’t help but wonder what position rugby league would be in if it ever got out of the way of itself and reached its full potential.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:03am
Worlds biggest said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
Ryan has previously mentioned he likes Rah rah however Macca are you a fan of the Mungo’s ?
have to agree regarding the NRL pre game entertainment, it’s always naff and the helicopter has to go. I like Good Charlotte however the Rabbitohs jersey was completely ludicrous. Rusty must have pulled up Benji Madden on the way into the arena. He was wearing a Storm jersey on the way to the Stadium.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:27am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
Worlds, I actually played League before I played Rugby, though admittedly, it’s a long time now since I played either. I watch less and less NRL now, though I did see all the finals this season. I enjoyed the two Prelim Finals particularly…
October 9th 2012 @ 11:11am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
WB, I noticed the jersey switch too, and had the exact same reaction: Rusty mugged up in the tunnel!
October 9th 2012 @ 11:00pm
yewonk said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:00pm | Report comment
he had no idea rusty owned the team some guy told him about the rabbitohs history on of his first tours. he told them how they were the battlers and why they were called the rabbitohs he only found out this time rusty owns them they asked him to wear the storm jersey but he wanted to wear the rabbitohs
October 10th 2012 @ 2:30pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 10th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
But he WAS wearing a Storm jersey at one stage??
October 9th 2012 @ 10:28am
Will Sinclair said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Just a note on the one-off Rugby League Test this weekend.
I have the kids on Saturday night, while my wife is at a Hens night. So I am THRILLED it’s on!
So there is ONE vote for the Test at least!
(And Caulfield Guineas Day is on FTA! Cue footage of me pretending to play with the kids while I watch the racing over their little heads.)
October 9th 2012 @ 10:52am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Will, what do you make of Robbie Farah on the bench? I don’t question his ability, but do the Australians really need two hookers?
It’s been suggested, by Tim Sheens himself, I believe, that Cam Smith will move to lock when Farah comes on. I find this slightly baffling. Why play the best hooker in the world, maybe ever, out of position? Unless he also happened to be one of the best 3 or 4 locks in the world, which I’m not sure he is.
Not bagging Farah, mate – I’m just curious.
Farah is a different type of dummy-half to Smith, so it will allow the Kangaroos to change attacking tactics, which is always a nice ace to have up the sleeve. But it does feel like a luxury selection rather than a necessity.
October 9th 2012 @ 12:05pm
Will Sinclair said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
It’s a dud decision Ryan – no doubt.
Robbie is a great player (I’d be picking him to start, but that’s another argument) but it’s hard to see where he will play a role on Saturday night.
As Tigers fans know, this sort of thing is all too common from Sheens. He loves wasting a bench spot on a utility without a clear role to play.
October 9th 2012 @ 12:23pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Unless he thinks Cam Smith will still be hungover. . .
October 9th 2012 @ 10:30am
Will Sinclair said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
And a couple of points on NRL Grand Final Day.
I was out there and felt the “entertainment” was pretty poor – but it’s been that way forever.
The great thing about Grand Final Day is watching the early games, and there should be more made of that. The school kids dancing badly and MOR rock band miming is all well and good, but it’s about the footy.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:54am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
You could honestly do worse than to book AC/DC or Cold Chisel as the entertainment for the next five or so years. I’m not even kidding. League fans just want to hear some fire-up music, don’t they?
October 9th 2012 @ 12:07pm
Will Sinclair said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
I imagine AC/DC would be out of the price range, but Chisel would be brilliant!
Although, as they’re likely to be playing Eye of the Tiger over the tannoy after the GF every year for the next five years, maybe a bit of variation?
October 9th 2012 @ 10:10pm
CJW72 said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:10pm | Report comment
Well I’d rather have Good Charlotte in a Rabbitohs Jersey playing at the RL final than the rotten meatloaf that the AFL dished up last year..
October 9th 2012 @ 11:49am
rl said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Ryan – I think the Titans will have to overcome the additon of Big Soft Dave Taylor.
Sharkies picking up some good players, providing they can steer clear of the pub. And there’s a real danger they may lose direction once the run out of clear skin for tattoos…
October 9th 2012 @ 11:53am
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
The other issue for the Titans will be diet. It would help if some of their roster (*ahem) avoided the meat pies for the season.
The Sharks, jokes aside, will be dangerous next year.
October 9th 2012 @ 12:09pm
Will Sinclair said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
I reckon Dave Taylor and Tony Williams are both less exciting signings now than they were 6 months ago…
October 9th 2012 @ 12:23pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
As in you think they’re overrated, Will?
October 9th 2012 @ 12:52pm
Will Sinclair said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Not necessarily…
But I think they got worse the longer the season went on.
There is every chance that Des and Cartwright will get the best out of them, but I think Titans/Dogs fans would have been more excited about both signings when they were announced than at the end of the season.
(And I think the Dogs would have been better spending the money on a proper halfback… but then you could say that about a few teams!)
October 9th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Tristan Rayner said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Hmm, it’s a only a quick little preview of 2013, I’ll give you that Ryano, but what are your thoughts on Newcastle for 2013?
They can’t possibly have a worse start to the season, so they’ll be in the finals. Bennett will have the boys firing. You heard it here first!
October 9th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
At this time of year, all teams are on equal points! Some are just a little more equal than others. . .
The addition of Jeremy Smith adds starch to their pack, and they’ll hopefully have a fully fit Kurt Gidley. Those are two fairly massive additions to the team.
I picked them to finish in the top four last year, and was subsequently burnt by them! So I’m reluctant to praise them too highly again, but they should make the 8 next season.
October 9th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
Tristo I thought then you were going to mention Chris Chard’s favourite phrase: “the boys are training the house down..”
October 9th 2012 @ 2:36pm
LRR said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
My favourite game at this time of the year is to pick the 8 teams who WONT make the 8. I think it’s a much more difficult process that picking the final 8 (although I understand if you pick a top 8 it will be the other 8 by default).
Right now I can’t see penrith making it. I know they bought well but no superstars and I think it may take some time for them to settle in.
Ricky Stuart is no miracle worker and I can’t see Eels turning around quickly.
Also Dragons haven’t bought a decent player for three years but lost plenty. Tip them to miss.
But who else can you say with certainty wont be there come September?
October 9th 2012 @ 3:02pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
“. . .although I understand if you pick a top 8 it will be the other 8 by default.”
I’m glad you added that comment, LRR! It’s the same thing!
My bottom 8 for 2013 is a massive cop out, as I’m going to say it will be the exact same as this year, but with the Titans coming in for Canberra. But having just looked at the ladder, and knowing the rosters of the teams for next year, some very good teams are going to miss the 8.
October 9th 2012 @ 2:51pm
Morfs said | October 9th 2012 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
With regards to the pre-game entertainment, I attended my fourth grand final in six years this year (thankfully I missed 2008, but that’s another story…). This year, I went up with my cousin, who arrived early Sunday morning, rather weary (Hawks supporter). After getting some rest, we went on to continue our now traditional jaunt through the Rocks before heading to the game. After downing a litre at the Lownbrau, we meandered laong to the Fortune of War to watch the rest of the NSW Cup final, which was enjoyable, and then watched a fair bit of the Toyota Cup final while waiting for a mate to arrive. After that, back to the hotel for another beer & to grab our stuff, before heading to the stadium via train.
We were in no way at all upset that we entered the stadium just after The Benji & Joel Show, with just enough time to get beers and find our seats before kick off.
I don’t think I have enjoyed the pre-match entertainment at any of the grand finals I have been to. That may just be down more to my personal musical tastes, but I cringe at the overblown “advertainment” that it often comes across as (‘Annie’ singing the national anthem during Origin 1, anyone?).
All that said, I’m afraid I’m currently bereft of ideas on how to fix it, but I do enjoy the whole day of matches, even if watching it in a pub, it makes the whole day something worth travelling up to Sydney for.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:10pm
Ryan O'Connell said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:10pm | Report comment
Thanks for the insight into the day, Morfs, appreciate it.
Having Delta Goodrem and Seal sing before two of the Origins – which was surely just a co-incidence, seeming as Channel 9′s The Voice was on at the time – was prett bad as well.
For the money it costs to get these acts, I can honestly say the crowd would much prefer to watch the 20 biggest hits of the year. Or perhaps a series of Top 10 Countdowns; best grand final tries, best grand final tackles, etc, etc. Or show never-seen-before interviews, etc.
On that point, I remember at the Allan Border Medal many years ago, an interview with both Steve and Mark Waugh, who were notorious for never being seen around each other. It was a fantastic, insightful interview, and extremely funny.
Why couldn’t pre-game entertainment be an interview with Terry Lamb and Ellery Hanley. The crowd would love it.
Entertainment doesn’t have to be a musical act.