Wallabies win with something for everyone
By Brett McKay, 9 Oct 2012 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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Wallabies' wing Digby Ioane celebrates with teammates flanker Michael Hooper and centre Ben Tapuai. AFP PHOTO / Juan Mabromata
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Rugby is often described as ‘a game for the purists’, often by non-purists, to be fair. It’s described this way mainly as a nod to the long-held belief/disparagement that to truly enjoy the game, you had to have played it yourself at some point.
Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not.
The Wallabies won their final match of The Rugby Championship and it probably was one of those games for the purists, however that’s defined. Occasional viewers might have loved the timeslot, but perhaps not the spectacle of the match itself.
This game struck me as one of those that really did have something for everyone.
Some of us will have loved the sight of two desperate teams throwing everything they had left at their opposition, while others would have despaired at the ball-security and handling, after humidity and sweat gave the ball the adhesive properties of wet soap.
If they haven’t already, I’ll bet the words “worst game of the year” are used at some point this week in descriptions, while the Wallabies themselves would be using an understandably different adjective.
Some will see this game as precisely the reason why Argentina deserve to be in The Rugby Championship, while others will question their still-limited game plan and their inability to strike back at Australia when they had the chance.
Personally, I look at two capacity crowds in successive weeks, an anthem unrivalled in the passion stakes, and the aforementioned friendly timeslot and say Los Pumas can stay for as long as they like.
Argentina’s last home games of TRC have provided two magical ‘rugby moments’ that stand out above all others. The first was the spontaneous standing ovation for both sides on full-time last weekend in La Plata, despite the fact New Zealand had beaten the home side to the tune of 40 points. Pure rugby appreciation.
The second was the amazing send-off for retiring tighthead prop, Rodrigo Roncero, this weekend just gone in Rosario. On news of his substitution inside the last 10 minutes, Roncero shook the hand of referee Craig Joubert, who returned with “congratulations on a wonderful career.”
Roncero was embraced by his captain Jean Martin Fernandez Lobbe, and I’m sure I heard an Australian voice over one the effects mics shout out, “Well played, Doc.” Everything you love about rugby was captured in that very instant.
Some people will look at the 27 penalties awarded in a game where the ball was in play for only 27 minutes, and conclude that Joubert was pedantic and trigger-happy with the whistle, while others will see two teams with questionable discipline and wonder why more yellow cards weren’t handed out.
Joubert handled that game about as well as he possibly could have, and despite missing several knock-ons and probably countless more cases of players going off their feet at the ruck in either attack or defence, I thought he controlled proceedings pretty well. Brett Sheehan might disagree, I’ll concede.
Some people will give Robbie Deans credit for getting his team up for the contest, considering all that’s going on in and around the squad at the moment, while others will say he’s just delayed the inevitable. I saw one of you out there typed the words “will be sacked” and “saved his job” only hours either side of the win on Sunday morning.
Some, like I am, will be even more convinced that Kurtley Beale is the man to wear the Wallaby no.10 jersey from here on. A couple of absent mates, one injured, one disgruntled may well have designs on it themselves for the remaining 2012 Tests, but surely over the last week and a bit Beale has now earned the key playmaking role for the immediate future.
Frankly, I’m just happy someone’s worn the jersey in consecutive Tests and stayed healthy.
It might have been the only backline highlight of the game, but the set-play try scored by Digby Ioane was very well executed. The angles run from Pat McCabe and Ben Tapuai were crucial, but the touch of the pass from Beale to Ioane just as the defensive waters parted is what converts that play into five points.
It was noticeable that Tapuai ran his angle from the inside centre position, too, and that McCabe ran in the 13 channel, something several of you suggested might happen when the team was named last week. They might have been the seventh centre combination used in 2012, but I think nothing would be lost if both retained their spots for the final Bledisloe Test in Brisbane.
McCabe will still have his critics from this game, as he always does. I thought he played the role required of him well, and linked well with Tapuai, too. Both were strong in defence, shutting down the Argentinean midfield overall.
On Tapuai, I couldn’t help but chuckle when recalling past “at least Taps can pass to his winger” comments when Tapuai ignored his unmarked outside man at one stage. It happens to all them at some point.
Some will see Nick Cummins’ debut as the first of many Wallaby appearances to come, while others will point to some dropped balls and conclude he’s out of his depth. I’ll suggest they’re a harsh marker.
Beale, Cummins, Tapuai, Mike Harris, Scott Higginbotham, Benn Robinson, Michael Hooper… there were plenty of good performances to take away from Rosario and be well contented with, if that’s what you need.
Likewise, the dire error tally, the penalties conceded, and the ill-discipline still give rise to the fact that this Wallabies squad have plenty to work on for the remaining internationals this year.
New Zealand, France, England, Italy, and Wales lay in wait over a period that simply cannot be about winding down for Christmas. Rugby World Cup seedings being on the line just add to the enormity of the situation.
But this was a game for everyone. There were parts to get carried away about, just as there were parts that ensured remotes were thrown at TVs. Just another week watching the Wallabies in 2012, really.
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport

October 9th 2012 @ 3:14am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:14am | Report comment
Brett, Roncero is a loosehead. Pedantic but true. That aside, a very fine player, and one of the most prolific cheats in the game – not that that’s a criticism, just an observation. How he has got away with flopping over the ball for so long astonishes me. Argentina will miss him.
Overall in terms of quality it was really a pretty poor tournament, but then as a rule of thumb most tournaments directly after a WC tend to be poor. I don’t think Australia and Argentina will be heading North with a huge amount of confidence, but who will take down NZ? Anybody? Interesting times lie ahead.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:27am
HardData said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:27am | Report comment
Pen.S
Do you ever actually post a genuinely positive comment?
According to you, “Its been a poor tournament”, but if any European team had won six out of six in such company, it would be dubbed a “Universe Slam”.
Surely you need to retreat to where-ever your unrecognisable area of expertise actually lies, and then STAY THERE!
October 9th 2012 @ 3:35am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:35am | Report comment
So you disagree with my comment that in terms of quality it was a poor tournament? By implication we saw some games of a very high standard? Is that what you’re suggesting?
October 9th 2012 @ 3:39am
HardData said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:39am | Report comment
By implication, I am indeed suggesting that Argentina although finishing last, possibly have performed above the average European international test standard.
Does this make it a poor tournament, or the pinnacle of test rugby?
October 9th 2012 @ 3:44am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:44am | Report comment
I don’t quite follow why you keep referring to Europe? What point are you trying to make? And actually, it’s highly debatable that Argentina have finished above the European standard given, although there is clearly no logic to that debate whatsoever…
My point is obvious, and it’s one that’s been made by numerous posters throughout the RC – Australian fans, Bok fans, and All Blacks fans. You either disagree with that or you have some agenda which is totally irrelevant to this article.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:50am
HardData said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:50am | Report comment
Your latest post is just gibberish because you have no logic nor argument.
Can you please convey in English language????
October 9th 2012 @ 3:54am
HardData said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:54am | Report comment
Please answer the question.
Does this make it a poor tournament, or the pinnacle of test rugby?
October 9th 2012 @ 4:00am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 4:00am | Report comment
I see… personal attacks. Excuse me, I left a ‘given’ in during an edit. That aside, my grammar is pretty fine, but thanks for taking the time to try and be offensive. It adds a lot to your position.
Listen, if you want to argue go and find somebody else or another site. I repeat: you seemingly took umbrage at a statement I made, so either refer to that statement, calm down and disprove it or bore off, because you’re going off on an angry tangent for no apparent reason.
And for the record, no. The World Cup is clearly the pinnacle of the sport.
October 9th 2012 @ 6:48am
Red Kev said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
“Can you please convey in English language????”
Solid Gold.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:13am
Riccardo said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:13am | Report comment
Quite right Ben.
An average inaugural tournament for a variety of reasons.
A lot of the rugby was actually of a poor technical standard and this includes the All Blacks at times. The fact that the All Blacks have been allowed to cruise to victory talks directly to Ben’s point.
Los Pumas introduction has been a success though and I thought the Soweto contest was much improved but I would hope that next year’s tournament is more competitive and the rugby more compelling.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:57am
Mike said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Good point. I expect the All Blacks to be crushed by Scotland, Italy, Wales and England at the end of the year….
October 9th 2012 @ 10:13am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Ben, of course he is, my error. He even packed against Ben Alexander, which while not traditionally a difficult task, it is a bit tricky as the opposing tighthead…
On your point about quality of TRC, I tend to agree. I enjoyed the 6Ns this year, but it too was a bits and pieces tournament with the highlights few and far between, and restricted to a few teams. Using that measure, TRC was the same, albeit each team produced a highlight at some point. But agree, no standout games in terms of high quality..
October 9th 2012 @ 10:38am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
I thought the 6N was pretty poor too, but with so many new players and coaches in both tournaments that is the nature of the beast. The summer games were also pretty weak IMO, with the odd standout. Next season should pick up.
October 9th 2012 @ 4:19pm
Nigel Imrie said | October 9th 2012 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
What is your criteria for an average game?Are the players out of form? Handling errors? Enlighten us…..
October 9th 2012 @ 9:57pm
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:57pm | Report comment
Oh, well hello, Nigel… I didn’t mention an average game. Those two words aren’t attributable to me.
October 9th 2012 @ 3:53am
biltongbek said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:53am | Report comment
I don’t think all the games were bad. sA vs NZ in Duneden was good, SA vs Nz in Jhb was good, Argentina was good against Ausin Aus, and their performance in NZ was good as well.
Both homegames of OZ vs SA and Arg was well finished by Australia.
Defences apart from SA vs NZ this weekend was tough.
October 9th 2012 @ 4:02am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 4:02am | Report comment
But in terms of skill and actual quality those games weren’t that great. I’m not talking about spectacle or passion etc. NZ are a country mile ahead of the other sides, and a number of Kiwi Roarers were pretty underwhelmed (in parts) by the NZ performance during the RC.
October 9th 2012 @ 4:12am
biltongbek said | October 9th 2012 @ 4:12am | Report comment
Well each of the teams for different reasons at times didn’t shine, you could isolate attacking back play and say there were few times when it really shone.
But then looking at the forward packs, the pilfering, ruck work, lineouts etc, you have to admit that apart from perhpas Australia at times, the forwards got stuck into one another like no tomorrow.
Then also the All Blacks did start slowly but their attack got better throughout the tournament.
Don’t forget SA had their challenges with retired players, injuries and poor kicking form as well. They used a total of40 players during the tournament and only in the last test did they select the same team as the previous weekend.
This was Argentina’s first tournament, their forwards didn’t stand back, and they tried to balance their attack, but they still have a lot to learn.
australia had lots of injuries, inner circle problems etc.
Yes the AB’s are ahead of the 8 ball, but would any other teams have challenged them with those issues?
October 9th 2012 @ 7:59am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
OK, so you’re basically agreeing with me. The entire gist of my comment was on skills – not ferocity or passion or injured players or retired players, hence my caveat re post-WC tournaments. This was a poor tournament. It’s not the end of the world…
October 9th 2012 @ 4:19am
HardData said | October 9th 2012 @ 4:19am | Report comment
By what terms of skill and quality are you comparing with??
God, Jesus or McCaw??
October 9th 2012 @ 8:58am
Mike said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
I’m trinitarian, so all three. But you have the order wrong.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:37am
rl said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
What symbol/acronym do I use for ‘standing ovation’? Cracking shot that!
October 9th 2012 @ 3:03pm
sheek said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Ditto!
October 9th 2012 @ 5:18pm
peterlala said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
Funny
October 9th 2012 @ 9:34pm
DC of nz said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:34pm | Report comment
Mike pure Gold !!!!
Richie is gold …. I expect a statue to be erected in a country town in the Deep South of New Zealand one day ….
Thousands will flock to this monument every year to shine in the aura of our Sir Richie …
I am not joking my family are from Dunedin !
October 9th 2012 @ 4:10am
HardData said | October 9th 2012 @ 4:10am | Report comment
Good on ya Biltong.
What other tournament/game would have had your brothers actually killing themselves in the first half of a dead rubber?
Not surprising they could not last the game all factors considered.
Then certain idiots call it a poor tournament, which is an insult to all countries and the sacrafices involved.
What European team could have gone unbeaten in this years Rugby Championship?
We are blessed with the Championship whether we realise it yet or not.
October 9th 2012 @ 4:38am
HardData said | October 9th 2012 @ 4:38am | Report comment
Perhaps Ben.S needs to demonstrate to us what measuring stick he is using against this years Rugby Championship???
Sorry Brett, back to you…..
October 9th 2012 @ 5:01am
biltongbek said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:01am | Report comment
The thing is it is always easy to criticise the lack of skills and lack of attacking play from afar. The reality is you most of the times perform as well as you are allowed to. Argentina came with a lot of passion and intensity in their first games, you don’t just overrun them with tries anymore, they are too good for that.
But let us compare the number of tries scored duringthe RC with the six nations. 44 tries scored in 12 matches equalling 3.66 tries per match.
The six nations had 46 tries in 15 matches equalling 3.06 tries per match.
It seems BenS sets higher standards for the Rugby Championship and are. Therefor disappointed that we didn’t score twice the number of tries per match than the Six Nations,
October 9th 2012 @ 5:37am
HardData said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:37am | Report comment
Once Again Biltong your post is understated yet sublime.
The “Championship” defences have been the best yet, so therefore the tries, in comaparison to the six nations, is a credit to all “Championship” teams involved.
(Especially in the first half of most matches)
Where has Ben.S run off to?
Too many facts?????
October 9th 2012 @ 8:04am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Erm… Ben.S ran off to the gym. Social life and all that…
The defences certainly haven’t been the best yet. That much is obvious (and I do recall making that comment to you last week, biltongbek re the SA defence, and look what happened there), and I have no idea why anybody is making references to European rugby? I made a pretty simple comment. Am I the first person to note the skills on display were poor? It’s been a recurring theme on the Roar throughout the tournament, so think we all need to take a chill pill. NZ are clearly way ahead of SA and Australia in ability. That’s just the reality of the situation. It may change over time, but right now the other three sides look quite limited. Just an observation, not a criticism. Yikes!
October 9th 2012 @ 5:13am
kingplaymaker said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:13am | Report comment
It would be nice if the proposed Argentine Super teams came into being as soon as possible, because this is the final development to improve the national team and accustom them to southern hemisphere intensity.
That match was great because it was such a new kind of event in southern hemisphere rugby, a big pressure match in Rosario between Australia and Argentina as part of a tournament. Something NEW.
New situations and strong teams, rivalries: these are all wonderful things in rugby.
October 9th 2012 @ 1:53pm
defensapuma said | October 9th 2012 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
gotta agree…. on one hand think the Pumas are that ideal extra wild card into the mix that makes things a little more unpredictable for the tournament in general….that’s healthy….on the other hand the rugby…. lets be honest….other than a few gems here and there that augur good stuff for the future….is pretty woeful at the moment….clearly there is a lot of work that needs to be done on inproving skills in just about every department…. so much raw energy….but so little finesse….and also a chronic lack of depth for a tournament of these characteristics…. a super rugby team will help big time….
October 9th 2012 @ 5:42am
Billy Bob said | October 9th 2012 @ 5:42am | Report comment
Yes Brett fair analysis.
Poor tournament Ben? Well it was the only one we had.
Sorry to disappoint
Now back to what Brett was saying. There were some good signs for Wallabies, amidst all the general negatives and structural context (little depth, no 3rd tier, secretive ONiell etc). I like the attitude of this ‘reserve grade’. McCabe has to be picked somewhere just on pure ‘lion-heartedness’. Maybe wing or 15? He’s as tough and as dependable as Burke was. Tapuiai also. I like the attitude of Cummins too.
The whole team found an urgency that if found a week earlier might have stopped the Boks. I have a hope for Brisbane.
Anyway, I am happy for Kurtley, and glad that Spiro’long range prediction about 6 years ago may be coming partly true. Spiro boldly predicted that
the two schoolboy halves would set up a wallaby partnership. They were
Beale at 10 and JoshHolmes at 9.
Well he may end up half right
As happy as I am for Beale’s form I am not certain that he has the best pass to feed all attack options. Cooper or Lealifano seem to have that package. But Kurtley has a solidity that is growing as he does.
The only complete package actually is Lealifano. And I am not alone in wondering about Kurtley at 12. He can tackle head on and could easily make any other centre look good.
But I have not yet given up on Cooper. Sooner or later the ARU has to move from ‘nursery’ to ‘university’ and create some pathways for mature development.
I blame the ARU and it’s self indulgence for the self indulgence of the ‘brat-pack’ . Why?
Pure ignorant prejudice. They are the ones with the power. They distribute it via money and fame to young men who have not handled it well. I blame the ‘parents’, that is the adults who are most responsible for team and player culture.
JON and Nucifora, what is going on? Everything is tickety-boo on good ship wallaby? A few wins are not going to paint over these cracks.
Can these two actually tell us what they do for their money?
Develop player and team morale? Take a pay cut gents.
Develop the grass roots? Take another one.
Develop a pathway from schoolboys to professional? Take another one.
Make rugby a visible code?
Compete with NRL poachers of schoolboy rugby players?
Is there any money left?
Anyway, rant over. I mean no disrespect to these people at a personal level. But in the context of the cultural vacuums in OZ rugby and, in the absence of any ARU transparency around efforts to correct structure, one can only
guess what JON and Nucifora are doing.
Someone please enlighten me.
For love of Australian rugby.
Anyway I like what Deans and Sharpe and the boys have come up with in attitude. If they hang onto that urgency we might have a real contest in Brisbane.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:14am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Nice one Billy Bob. Some very valid points in all that, rant or otherwise. Hopefully many of your questions are tackled in the upcoming Arbib/Cosgrove Review, though I have to admit I’m not fully across its scope and fear the things that appear obvious to the average fan will fall outside the terms of reference..
October 9th 2012 @ 10:33am
JIM said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Agree that McCabe has shown great attitude. I have never been a fan of his, but agree that he keeps trying. I liked him running at 13 and think that he probably has the game to be a long term 13 option. I agree that Tapuai at 12 should be a regular appearance. he has a lot to offer with the ball and is a great defender as well.
Harris had another good game. But doesnt bring the counterattack from 15 that you would like for a long term option. Which I think means that Harris is a long term bench player, becasue he can cover 10, 12, 13 and 15.
Cummins was alright but I think that Shipperley got bumped becasue of the internal politics of not wanting to have too many Reds in the side. I think that Shipperley showed in the last few games that he has the potential to be a real strike option at the highest level. He works hard and is quicker than Cummins.
I would like to see some stability in Super rugby to give the Wallabies choice. I would love to see Beale, Lealifano and Cooper playing 10 at Super rugby and pick the best on form at the end of the year. I suspect you would end up with Lealifano and Beale on the bench as a strike weapon.
October 9th 2012 @ 11:51am
Lorry said | October 9th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
McCabe may be dependable, but he is nowhere near Burke. He is more like Burke post shoulder injury at 30 years of age…
October 9th 2012 @ 1:32pm
mikeylives said | October 9th 2012 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Shipperly had a shocker against the Boks in SA.
October 9th 2012 @ 6:07am
Billy Bob said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:07am | Report comment
Oh yeh, and it was a good tournament too.
Great to have Argentina involved.
They bring a great attitude and gratitude to the event.
Apologies Brett for moving off point.
October 9th 2012 @ 6:47am
mania said | October 9th 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
well done wb’s. guts and balls on display
October 9th 2012 @ 7:30am
Jutsie said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Dropped balls?
October 9th 2012 @ 8:55am
mania said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:55am | Report comment
jutsie – no, i didnt see either team drop their balls at all each gave it their all. not a great spectacle but a wily display of why oz are in the top 3. puma’s will have to learn to play smart vs oz in future. puma’s had heart tho and that will come in very handy at the next TRC
October 9th 2012 @ 9:00am
Jutsie said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Haha no worries mania, I knew what you were saying but was attempting to make a lame joke.
I agree, it was ugly but I was proud of the team, lots of guts and determination. Its a quality that has sometimes been lacking in this team.
October 9th 2012 @ 9:10am
mania said | October 9th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
jutsie – yeah know, i just wanted to make sure that the respect that i have for the wb’s wasnt misconstrued.
good on u wb’s need more fans like u now more than ever
October 9th 2012 @ 3:56pm
Jutsie said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
Thanks mania, I try to stick by the mantra “a supporter supports” and not get too hung up on the negatives. Sometimes its tough to adhere to this philosophy, especially when we play your boys
October 9th 2012 @ 7:29am
Worlds biggest said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
Absolutely guts personified, I don’t think many of us were confident of a win in Rosario given the injury count, travel and historically hostile environment. It was in the main a terrible game particularly the first half. However there were a couple of highlights in the second half, the Digby try was a cracker as was the Hooper run. I agree Beale looked good at 10 and appears to have got some fitness back. The pack played well and interestingly the scrum got stronger once Robinson came on. Mixed debut for Taps while Cummins is an abrasive type suited for International rugby. The Argies were no where near what I expected them to be but a win is a win for these Wallabies.
October 9th 2012 @ 7:31am
Jutsie said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:31am | Report comment
The rebela, wallabies and beale himself have to work together to make sure he never goes off the rails, fitness wise, again as he is too valuable a player to lose due to poor fitness.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:26am
Mike said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Yes. Fitness of top players (not just Beale) has to be seen as a joint responsibility. We cant take it for granted anymore.
October 9th 2012 @ 7:43am
Jerry said | October 9th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
I agree with Ben – it wasn’t that great a tournament from a skill and spectacle point of view.
There were a few close matches, but those were more to do with both teams playing poorly, rather than two teams firing. When a team did fire, it lead to walkovers or matches that fizzled out. Add to that the way NZ largely sleepwalked to victory in their home matches and it wasn’t exactly one for the ages.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:06am
nickoldschool said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
I actually really enjoyed our first RC. The ABs had nothing to prove to anyone yet they played some brilliant rugby and in my mind, closed the rwc chapter with a huge statement: yes, we are the best. Am not a fan of theirs but have to admit that they impressed me not only by their skills ball in hand but also their attitude. Nonu, Dagg, A.Smith, Carter, Read and Mccaw were at their best throughout.
The Argies were also great to watch although they ran out of puff towards the end. They bring a latin touch in an anglo tournament: passion, tears, standing ovations and… lasers.
More of a mixed bag from the Boks and wallabies but they both had lots of injuries to deal with. They end the tournament with 2 new fly-halves and 2 back rowers who made a name for themselves (Hooper and Louw). I want to believe that the handling errors were more due to a lack of confidence rather than basic skills.
The other good thing is that a lot is still at stake from n2 to n8-10 and the spring tour will provide a few answers.
October 9th 2012 @ 1:03pm
Lats said | October 9th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
The All Blacks were sublime at times against the Boks in J’burg. That try just after half time, where Carter kicks to the left, forwards mark drive, off load….ball comes back inside, they now head right field… Nonu passes to Dagg who hits the 13 channel, drags in 3 defenders…. off loads to Read.. who goes almost to the line.. offloads to Nonu who started the move who puts it over with no one laying a hand on him… super try under intense pressure, but they did it so easily it almost looked like a training run. When Read ofloaded he had the winger outside him free, Nonu inside, and Conrad Smith direclty behind him… ergo.. 3 passing options as he hit the deck.
Their defence in the first half was brutal as well… the Boks hit them with everything.. the AB’ absorbed it… steadided then chewed the Bokks up and spat them out. Amazing performance considering they played in Argentina the previous week.
I hope the Wallabies can beat them , but wouldnt begrudge them their upcoming world record, they really are an awesome outfit.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:19am
Hugo said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
BRET – you really are Mr. Nice Guy. You’d find something good to say about a train wreck. Envy you your pleasant outlook on life.
BEN S – you’re wondering if anybody can stop the ABs in November. You’re on the scene over there I’m not but I doubt Toby and the huffing and puffing midfield plus the not so hot wings and your No. 2 FB will have any great effect against DC/MN/ the two Smiths and Dagg. Croft, your best forward, is also out although the idea of Lawes at 6 is tantalizing. He’s a terrific athlete.
Things don’t get much better against the Boks. The Goose got unlucky but Jantjes will slice everybody up, Habana’s the top wing in the world these days, and the Bok pack at last has combined power with speed.
You’ll beat us, I’m afraid. The Ws don’t play that well at Twickers and even if Pocock and JOC are fit it still won’t be enough without Genia. And with Morgan getting good electronic ink these days your pack is looking strong.
October 9th 2012 @ 8:28am
Ben.S said | October 9th 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
It depends on who is selected, I guess. I’m not massively impressed with what the England coaching panel have done so far, and some of the play in SA was turgid. It also depends what side Hansen puts out. Personally, I don’t have the same sense of trepidation I normally feel when NZ turn up, and by and large England test NZ more than the other sides do. We will certainly have a far more mobile midfield than in previous years, a strong tight five and, IMO, a very decent back row if Tom Wood is fit.
I’d rate Australia as a better chance of beating England than SA. As poor as we were in SA we also did some very good things (intermittently) and the coaching panel worked out a few SA tricks. They just look so one dimensional, and they traditionally struggle in Europe. The last time they beat us was basically because Matfield had carte blanche. The Boks don’t have that ability any longer, and so it should be a brutal Test.
The last time we beat Australia at Twickenham Quade Cooper was pummeled in his defensive channel by Hape and Easter. If Beale starts that’s a big weakness gone straight away. It really does depend who is fit and who Deans goes with, as obvious as that sounds, but I wouldn’t write the Wallabies off.
October 9th 2012 @ 10:14am
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Thanks Hugo, I’ll take the compliment that I’m sure is in there somewhere..
October 9th 2012 @ 3:08pm
sheek said | October 9th 2012 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
“You’d find something good to say about a train wreck.” Priceless! Gawd, I laughed at that.
To be sure Brett,
We can’t possibly miss Greg Russell because you’ve taken over as the voice of moderation. It is my observation however, that one does tend to pull back in moderation when one begins a blog site.