Collingwood turns on its own players
By Andrew Sutherland, 11 Oct 2012 Andrew Sutherland is a Roar Expert
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The AFL trade war can be an unsavoury time as clubs produce verbal barbs, undervalue the stock of others while over valuing their own.
But nothing is more unpleasant than a club putting its own players down, as Collingwood has done.
It seemed no one ever wanted to leave Collingwood.
Throughout the year as each inhabitant of that large talent pool spawned by Mick Malthouse – their market value increasing by the round – came out of contract, they re signed. The biggest
and freest fish, Travis Cloke, was never going anywhere despite the protracted negotiations.
Hence my surprise last month on reading the headline: “[Sharrod] Wellingham Goes West for Talks”.
Collingwood were surprised too and then caught out by Wellingham’s sudden public proclamation that he was leaving because “it will be exciting to get back to Perth and to play in front of my family every week”, which was made without consultation with the club. Eddie McGuire demanded “substantial” compensation for a player of Wellingham’s ilk.
Once West Coast’s draft pick no. 17 had been acquired for Wellingham, football manager Geoff Walsh sent him on his way by describing him as just an inconsistent and “handy player who hasn’t scaled the heights”. A bit harsh considering he was supposedly worth hefty compensation.
Also, he was leaving to go home, not to escape Collingwood.
After comments like those Wellingham will certainly know he’s made the right decision. Chris Dawes definitely has, requesting a trade after being effectively replaced by West Coast’s Quinten Lynch.
What is more reprehenible though are the comments made by Walsh towards those squad members who have stayed loyal despite being paid less their market value.
“Are we going to be a flash in the pan, or do we dig in and give some sort of credence to the talent on the list by virtue of performance? “What I do know is our discipline, our attitude, if that’s linked to culture it is something we would feel needs to improve. Our players will understand what we are all about, or if they don’t need to be around for the ride, we are happy to accommodate them elsewhere. We are hell-bent on returning this team to a premiership”, he said.
The team has made the finals for the past seven seasons, reaching three preliminary finals and two grand finals – winning two minor premierships and a premiership. I don’t think “flash in the pan” is an appropriate or a very respectful description of what this playing group has achieved.
The biggest sporting club in the land carries a heavy weight of expectation, of course, hence the obligation to let supporters know that excellence is always a priority. However, to allege a lack of commitment on the part of the players is simplistic and cowardly. Some fans too thought it was apt to abuse the poorly performing Cloke and Dawes even though form rather than lack of effort was clearly the problem.
If criticism is warranted perhaps it should be directed to coach Nathan Buckley (who clearly sanctioned the comments), the coaching stategist Rodney Eade, and the recruiters.
If the team is not premiership material it is more likely due to their failure to develop or modify the midfield-heavy squad and playing style they inherited from Malthouse, than to the players’ attitude.
Also, winning a premiership is one thing.
Winning multiple ones is another. Since 1990 eleven different teams have won the competition.
The modern era has seen Brisbane win three successive titles and Geelong claim multiple flags but it’s extremely unfair to expect this Collingwood team to replicate the achievements of those great sides.
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October 11th 2012 @ 7:41am
Bretto said | October 11th 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Maybe just mind games from Walsh and Buckley. Collingwood have the talent to challenge for the premiership. The likes of Cloke, Pendlebury, Swan, Beams, Ball, Reid, Shaw, Didak, … at their best will be a very good side. Having said that, there are 8 teams that playing at their best are very good. It’s up to the coach to get the players playing at their best, something that Malthouse was the master of. Buckley has had a year to settle in – now it’s time to see if he can get the best out of the group. It’s a long 6 months between seasons . . .
October 11th 2012 @ 8:54am
brendan said | October 11th 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Glad you wrote this article Andrew i also thought Collingwood were a bit rude the way they described Wellingham after he left.IMO Collingwood over rated themselves in the 2011 g/f rather than accepting Geelong were too good they think that they lost it.Realistically Collingwood were only a good bounce to Milne away from having nothing to show for this team.Dawes’s form in 2010 was probably the extra advantage they needed to get them to the flag.As you quite correctly state winning a premiership is one thing but multiple flags are much harder to get.
October 13th 2012 @ 11:43pm
Jsteel said | October 13th 2012 @ 11:43pm | Report comment
Great call brendan, nearly every Collingwood supporter I see has a reason why they lost it and Geelong didn’t deserve it (despite the fact that Geelong had beaten Collingwood twice earlier in the year).
Great article as well Andrew, one thing I disagree with is that Dawes requested to leave because of Lynch’s arrival. Unless there has been discussions within the football club that haven’t been made public I would assume Dawes would be pleased of Lynch’s arrival as it would allow him to play more of a forward role rather than forward/ruck (similar to his role in 2010/2011). Anyway hopefully will find out more when/if a deal is done
October 14th 2012 @ 10:55am
floreat pica said | October 14th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Obviously being a Collingwood supporter my opinion is biased here, and Geeolong was clearly the best team of that finals series. Yet the weight of recent history shows that a team which can coast to victory in the prelim (rather than the team that fights their way in to the GF) and the longer break in the final week will have an advantage. Collingwood was spent before the final rounds of both of the last two seasons and trying desperately to find some form. This year was more excusable than last due to constantly losing players to injury in the first half of the year. Malthouse was excellent at getting the most from a list. Buckley so far has proved every bit as capable. I do note he blasted Wellingham for lack of heart against th Eagles.
October 11th 2012 @ 9:02am
Horatio said | October 11th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Typical Magpies and Eddie – when Nick Davis left suddenly he wasnt a quality person and “we dont raid other clubs” when their midfield was O’Bree, Buckley, Licuria and someone else all from other clubs – - Licca was a castoff though…
October 11th 2012 @ 9:27am
Richard said | October 11th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Nick Davis did display some lack of character, as it turns out.
October 11th 2012 @ 4:01pm
Horatio said | October 11th 2012 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
Agre…
October 11th 2012 @ 5:27pm
Chaos said | October 11th 2012 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
Without Nick Davis and his amazing last Q, Sydney don’t beat Geelong and don’t win 2005 flag.
October 11th 2012 @ 9:26am
Richard said | October 11th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
I think you’re showing your over sensitive side with this article. Eddie said at the Copeland that Sharrod and Chris will always be part of the Collingwood fabric and always welcome at the Westpac Centre. And what Walshy said about Sharrod is the truth and in my view is appropriate to be said. Walshy is also telegraphing an important message, that what is past is past, and that the job for the boys is ahead of them. That’s appropriate too for a club with ambition. I suppose you, Andrew, think they should be able to rest on their laurels, but no-one at Collingwood feels that way. Not even the players you’re being over-sensitive for.
October 11th 2012 @ 4:14pm
Andrew Sutherland said | October 11th 2012 @ 4:14pm | Report comment
Hi Richard,
I probably am a lttle sensitive when it comes to the players. Stems from the old school dressing downs that were dished out by the club (and by others too I’m sure) during my brief time there. The idea that a lack of performance must necessarily be due to laziness. Although as Bretto mentioned above Walsh’s comments may have been a PR exercise, informing fans they’re not letting things slip.
Agree that McGuire didn’t denigrate Wellingham, which was good.
October 11th 2012 @ 9:38am
Mondial said | October 11th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
I don’t really follow your argument. You say that welling ham has been rubbished/offensive therefore made the right descision. Bit of an over-reaction – he hasn’t scaled the heights of his own ability that is true. Collingwood are looking for commitment – and considering the 2011 season they haven’t achieved what they could have which is a reasonable point. I think that other players have taken a cut to stay together shows commitment; wellingham has left for more coin – not a great example to others (oh, and the go-home factor). He is worth the pick not on ability but on the salary he is being paid. You’ve forgotten that west coast said 2nd round, but the reason it went 1st was because of the salary – you wouldnt pay a 2nd round pick the coin they are giving him. soft article
October 11th 2012 @ 11:36am
DJW said | October 11th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
Surely you can’t expect any form of class from Collingwood?
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October 11th 2012 @ 12:44pm
Bretto said | October 11th 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
DJW, Horatio, and any other Collingwood haters – the forum of choice for you is the Herald Sun. If you have nothing intelligent to say then bugger off. These forums are for true fans of FOOTBALL, who have the brain to comment on teams other than their own in a sensible manner.
October 11th 2012 @ 1:22pm
Michael said | October 11th 2012 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
sorry Bretto have to agree with DJW on this, Collingwood are one of the least classiest clubs in the AFL with the way they go about things.
October 11th 2012 @ 1:51pm
Richard said | October 11th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Yeah well lets see. Collingwood have some unclassy sponsors, like Lexus, Emirates, Westpac and Adidas. Collingwood led the way with the move to the old Olympic Park, working with government to invest in and overhaul a valuable public asset and make it even more valuable. Collingwood pioneered the high altitude training approach in Arizona which many clubs have copied. Collingwood has been praised for many years for the success of its football academy, which has taken so-called “ordinary” players and made premiership champions of them. Collingwood’s many charitable foundations make a considerable contribution to the quality of life for many Victorians. Collingwood goes to great lengths to find places for its loyal alumni, and many Collingwood players have gone on to better things with help from the club. Collingwood has taken the lead in appointing a diverse board, representing broad sectors of our society. Collingwood has never shut out a player who did go to another club, always welcoming them back ( because after all, once you’ve got the black and white in your blood, it never leaves). So let’s see Michael, what evidence other than your own prejudice do you have for that outrageous, and blatantly erroneous assertion? None, I’ll wager. But then prejudice does not need evidence, does it?
October 11th 2012 @ 2:31pm
Lucan said | October 11th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
The shifting of Athletics to Albert Park was very grubby, with Collingwood fingerprints all over it.
The Collingwood president opts himself onto the board of Aths Australia, and along with his State Premier Collingwood mate orchaestrates a move that just happens to free up prime real estate for the Magpies to move into and make their own private property.
Yep, that was classy and community minded ………….
How about the state of Vic Park when they returned it to City of Yarra?
We can all pick and choose facts to support our opinions here.
October 11th 2012 @ 3:30pm
Richard said | October 11th 2012 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
Oh yeah, and I forgot about how Collingwood agreed to let Melbourne have the annual blockbuster Queens Birthday game as a home game permanently, and keep the gate receipts, to help that (rival) club recover its finances. (Which other club has done that I ask you). How Eddie worked with the Western Bulldogs to help that club find a key sponsor when they were in trouble a few years ago., And how Collingwood didn’t step in the way of coaches over the last two years who wanted to leave at a critical time (i.e. the finals) to take on a higher role. Also how CFC put considerable funding and management effort into working with the local Council to turn Vic Park into the show-piece it is now.
Collingwood Football Club is a leader in its field, the premier sporting club in Australia, and sets an example for others to follow. Just a little bit jealous, are you. Don’t be. Collingwood’s beneficence is broad enough for all, even you. Well, maybe not you.
October 12th 2012 @ 7:23pm
Mark said | October 12th 2012 @ 7:23pm | Report comment
Nice work Richard. I could not of said it any better than you did. Side By Side!!!!
October 22nd 2012 @ 5:25pm
amazonfan said | October 22nd 2012 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
“Collingwood Football Club is a leader in its field, the premier sporting club in Australia, and sets an example for others to follow.”
How can Collingwood be the premier sporting club in Australia when it’s not even the premier club in the AFL?
“Just a little bit jealous, are you.”
Who would be jealous of Collingwood?
October 12th 2012 @ 10:33am
Richard said | October 12th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Oh and I also forgot to mention the class CFC has shown in dealing with off-field indiscretions by its players. Dealing with highly paid, highly fit, publicly admired, still maturing young athletes with high libidos requires leadership, moral backbone, sound judgement, fairness, empathy yet firmness of hand, the willingness to look beyond the present and the ability to make the tough decisions. CFC has consistently shown all that with the approach to mistakes made by, among others, Swanny, Dids, Shawry, Tarrant. All that is important in making the club stronger, and in turning boys into men.
Contrast that with the lack of resolve shown by Carlton with Fevola. They’re repeating the mistakes now with Scotland. Nominate the club with no class? You need go no further than the club which bought itself a premiership by rorting the salary cap.
October 12th 2012 @ 6:26pm
Richard said | October 12th 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
“Collingwood’s 2012 membership campaign has been rated the best in the AFL by Sports Business Insider.”
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/149607/default.aspx
Another triumph for a club that some said had no class. Well, well!
October 11th 2012 @ 12:47pm
Ian Whitchurch said | October 11th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Saying things like “These forums are for true fans of FOOTBALL” makes you sound like Fussball, and that isnt a good thing.
October 11th 2012 @ 4:15pm
Andrew Sutherland said | October 11th 2012 @ 4:15pm | Report comment
October 11th 2012 @ 9:35pm
amazonfan said | October 11th 2012 @ 9:35pm | Report comment
Agreed * milion!
October 11th 2012 @ 3:07pm
Redb said | October 11th 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
Collingwood fans see everything in black and white. Us v them. They’ll turn on you faster than a Jobe Watson handball.
October 11th 2012 @ 3:36pm
Richard said | October 11th 2012 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
Yes, well research does show that Collingwood Fans are the most loyal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/loyalty-clear-as-black-and-white/story-e6frf9jf-1226132381508
Didn’t come as news to any of us who love the black and white.
And so glad to see there’s still some sort of heart beat over there amongst Windy Hill devotees.
(There, how generous is that!)
October 11th 2012 @ 3:43pm
Redb said | October 11th 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Alive and kicking from Windy Hill Central.
Trust me when I say we dont need Collingwood to be generous, but as an olive branch gee we really hope your club finally gets to 16 flags.
October 22nd 2012 @ 4:34pm
Chino said | October 22nd 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
Collingwood have 16 including their VFA flag of 1896 though, saying that if Essendon include flags in the association they have 20 premierships including the 1891.1892, 1893 and 1894 flags brought to us by Albert the great( who also led us to 57 wins in a row in that era) the first player to kick more than 50 goals in a season in Victoria as well as the only player to achieve this feat before the first world war. Also Geelong go to 16 flags as well as they won 7 flags from 1878-1880, 1882-1884 as well as 1886 in the association.
October 22nd 2012 @ 5:15pm
amazonfan said | October 22nd 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
I don’t think VFA flags should be included. It was a separate competition.
October 11th 2012 @ 3:53pm
NeeDeep said | October 11th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
I’m a Saints supporter, living n Perth and as such, a lot of the coverage I see and hear, focuses on the local WA teams. The next most reported club has to be Collingwood and it amazes me how it is always a positive spin. Collingwod did this, Magpies do that and they’re like absolute shining beacons of hope from the medias constant praise. Like Richard notes above, they have every sponsor on board that they could want, with a whole lot more just waiting to sign on to the black & white bandwagon. The Collingwood Footy Show is a major rater each Thursday on channel 9 – mate of mine is a Hawks fan and he watched the GF show and reckoned every time they went to an ad break they’d close out on somebody wearing a Magpie jumper and when they’d come back from an ad, it’d be a couple of girls wearing Collingwood scarfs. All the Hawthorn and Sydney supporters were in the background. And you never hear a bad word from Gary, or Sam, and even Jim-Bob seems to have hard time bringing up any negative press about the Pies.
If a St. Kilda player does anything bad, the media is all over it! I marvelled at how Andrew Lovett was a “St. Kilda player” when he got in the poop and he hadn’t even played a game for us. When he finally got cleared, then he was back to being a “former Bomber”. Compare that to the media friendly Collingwood Football Club and Dayne Beames – never heard what happened with that whole incident after the 2011 GF. It just very quietly disappeared from the radar, as do most Collingwood indiscretions. Love how they banned Heath Shaw last year, but managed to put a positive spin on it and then let Nick Maxwell off, all together. Then with Nick, he’s pretty much above the laws of the game – just ask Pat McGinnity after his broken jaw in 2009. Rather than accepting the ban imposed by the MRP / Tribunal, the mighty powers to be at Collingwood refuse to accept the “umpires” decision and take it to the courts and get the suspension over-ruled. Alan Didak is a terrific bloke, but that @#$%&%$ Stephen Milne – we all know what Mick thinks of him. But again, it all died in the backside so far as the media was concerned, with in a week. Until off course the media brings the whole thing up again the week before the Saints play Collingwood. Gotta love that free kick to Harry O’Brien for tripping over his own feet!
Anytime Eddy thinks he’s losing a player he bangs his chest and threatens to “go to war”. Honestly, what a peanut. Tell me how Luke Ball got through to pick 30 in the 2009 draft? But that’s OK – I reckon if the boot was on the other foot, we’d of had a Royal Commission. Melbourne had 4 selections before that pick and North had 3 – not to mention other clubs that would have surely wanted a player of Luke’s class. Miraculously he’s still available at Collingwood’s first pick – No. 30? That defies belief – then Andrew Demetriou comes out and applauds the Collingwood Football Club and Luke Ball for doing what they did – ie. shaft the St. Kilda Football Club, effectively!
For the good of the game, the Collingwood Football Club needs to come down of its high horse and play within the rules and stop manipulating the AFL Commission for its own ends – soft draws, block-busters, minimal travel and so on. We now have a competition with 18 clubs in it and if it is actually a level playing field, back-to-back flags should be a real challenge and not just open to the clubs with the most sponsors and as such, the biggest cheque book – ie. the most creative accountants!
I would love to see the Bulldogs, the Saints, Freo and some of these so called poor relations get an even chance. Sydney went 70 odd years without a flag. The Bullies are coming up on 60 years and the Saints are fast approaching 50 years. I have another mate who’s a Bulldogs fan and I discussed the AFL with him recently and we both agreed that it is in danger of becoming like the EPL and we’ll get to a point were only 4 or 5 clubs will have a realistic chance of winning the flag each year. Which begs the question, why don’t we all just support Collingwood (Man United) and then the AFL can sell out 1 match every week and nobody will be bothered to go to, or watch, the other 8 games! Who wants to support a team that never makes the finals and virtually has no hope of ever winning the premiership? My mate said he was thinking of becoming a West Coast supporter, for no real reason, other than he’s had enough heartache following the boys from Footscray. He’s nearly 50 now and other than a couple of recent preliminary finals, their’s not a lot in the cupboard.
With respect to the comments about their players, this is just another example of Collingwood trying to “hold it over” the other clubs and players. They want to draft someone they make it sound like they’re doing you a favour by taking them off your hands, but if you want one of their players, then it’s WAR! “He’s a gun and a required player”, and we want truckloads of compensation. As soon as he’s out the door, “oh well, he was only a fringe player of questionable ability”. What a crock – just be honest about the player and the expectations of a trade!
I just hope the other clubs start drawing a line in the sand and start pulling together to break the stranglehold Collingwood have on the game. They’re choking the life out of the “competition” and turning it into a farce.
October 11th 2012 @ 5:38pm
Richard said | October 11th 2012 @ 5:38pm | Report comment
Are you smoking something? Which parallel universe have you transcended to now?
October 12th 2012 @ 5:39pm
langou said | October 12th 2012 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
Needeep
I think you need to take a few breaths and relax. You may have been hanging around too many West Coast fans- you are starting to talk like one.
There may even be a medical term for what you have, where you feel that you are the victim and start putting together random pieces of information in the belief that there is an enemy that exists and why can’t everyone see how obvious it is.
I won’t dissect your whole post but just pick one or two points in a hope that you will realise that you are safe and Collingwood F.C is not out to get you.
For example, your fear that Nick Maxwell is above the laws of the game is not true – he got rubbed out in the finals this year. Harry O’Brien getting a free kick he shouldn’t have – that’s okay as well because that’s just one free kick and Collingwood actual finished last on the “free kicks per game” statistic and yes Didak and Shaw copped allot of flak in the media.
Look we all hate Collingwood but your hatred verges on paranoia
October 17th 2012 @ 5:46pm
Lroy said | October 17th 2012 @ 5:46pm | Report comment
Dude.. tell your doggies mate to do the unthinkable and come to the dark side… nothing beats being a West Coast fan