SPIRO: Memo to rugby fans: Keep the faith
By Spiro Zavos, 15 Oct 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Australia's Pama Fou (C) runs as Scotland's Andrew Turnbull (L) defends during their match at the IRB Sevens rugby tournament at Skilled Park at the Gold Coast on October 13, 2012. (AFP Photo / Patrick Hamilton)
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On Saturday I was going into a super market in Bondi Junction when a man who I didn’t know came up to me and asked me about John O’Neill resignation.
“Who is going to take over at the ARU?” he asked.
I told him that if the CEO of Queensland Rugby, Jim Carmichael, got O’Neill’s job then we have to presume there was an element of pushing in his going.
But if Matt Carroll, the acting CEO and an O’Neill under-study for about 17 years, got the job or someone else then the push from Queensland to dominate (takeover?) the ARU would have been thwarted, at least for the time being.
The conversation moved to more general rugby matters. I said that the main problem with Australian rugby was not O’Neill or Robbie Deans but the pathetic play of the Waratahs over the last few years.
There was a time when the Waratahs could defeat international sides, including the All Blacks and the Springboks (memorably in 1937 in the mud). But now players coming from the franchise into the Wallabies don’t have a clue about playing skilful, aggressive and ball-in-hand rugby.
This was developing into some hard running of a familiar hobby horse of mine, as frequent readers of The Roar will attest.
However, I went on to make the point that the SMH had run an excellent interview by Georgina Robinson with the new Waratahs coach Michael Cheika.
Cheika made it clear that at the Waratahs he was about to do what he’d done at Leinster and turned them into champions by “changing the culture, changing values, changing the way we administered.”
My heart leapt with joy when I read these words. Cheika was a hard man on the field as a number 8. He is a successful businessman.
Like Rod Macqueen, he doesn’t need to coach at the top level to maintain a pleasant life style. He is prepared to do it his way.
He has already moved on the defence coach, Greg Mumm. There are more changes to come. He has told his players that reputations won’t count with him. The players who ‘perform’ will play. Those who don’t perform, no matter who they are, won’t play.
I expect the Waratahs to be a much more competitive team next year. Not necessarily a team to win the franchise’s first Super Rugby tournament. But a team we can support without compromise.
Just as we broke away for me to a buy the weekend’s groceries, my new friend – who confirmed that he was an avid reader of The Roar – mentioned that the Australian Schoolboys had defeated the New Zealand Schoolboys for the second time in two years.
He said to watch out for the fullback, Jonah Placid. “He’s going to be a beauty.”
On Saturday and Sunday afternoon I watched the IRB Sevens tournament that was being played out on the Gold Coast. 30,000 tickets had been sold for the tournament. And the fans enjoyed a feast of running, exhilarating rugby that demonstrated why Sevens Rugby will be a tremendous hit at the 2016 Olympics at Rio.
A huge amount of money has come into rugby around the world because the game is now (for the first time since the 1920s) an Olympic sport. Watching the thrills and spills of the parade of matches, you could see that already this money and interest has lifted the standard of play of teams like the USA, which is just starting to get into the gridiron market of players, and Argentina who ran New Zealand close in their quarter-final.
Nowhere is this injection of money more noticeable than with the Kenyan side that defeated Australia in their quarter-final. Kenya has a designated coach and conditioner, and it showed as their players ran the young Australians off their feet towards the end of their match.
I fell in love with these IRB Sevens tournaments when I saw one in Wellington some years ago. The crowd was amazing with their Elvis, nurses, animal suits, you name it. There was a constant barrage of noise and dancing and good spirits throughout the entire tournament.
My wife Judy watched all these fun and games from high in the stands. The Kenyans, who were playing their first IRB tournament, were warming up on the ground just below us.
“I pick that team to win,” she told me.
“No way,” I replied. “They’re playing Australia and the Aussies will murder them.”
Judy is not someone who is deterred from making her case when her mind is made up. “That team will win because they have much nicer butts than the Australian boys.”
Well, it was not a case of butt me no butts, or anything like this. The Kenyans at Wellington, as they did on the Gold Coast, won a famous victory.
While in this Sevens heaven mood, it is worthwhile pointing out that the reigning world champions of the Women’s Sevens is… Australia. And the SMH in its news section had a fascinating story of how the ARU is sponsoring an Australian-wide hunt for athletic women, from sports like AFL, ice hockey, wrestling (good in the tackle, presumably) and the like to try out as Sevens players.
Literally hundreds of young women are being processed in the hope a team which will win gold at Rio can be developed.
And on Saturday the Wallabies get another chance to defeat the All Blacks. The Test is at Brisbane, a happy hunting ground for the Wallabies and the last ground on which the All Blacks have been defeated.
The All Blacks have won 16 consecutive Tests. The world record is held by Lithuania on 17. So a great occasion, one way or another, is in store for rugby fans at the game and around the world.
Richie McCaw, no less, reckons this current All Blacks side is the best he’s been involved with. It is a better team, in my opinion, than the 2011 model, if only because it has a world class half-back, Aaron Smith, instead of the journeymen Jimmie Cowan and Andy Ellis.
If the All Blacks win, they will beat the unbeaten run of Wayne Shelford’s All Blacks between 1986 and 1990 when they were unbeaten, winning all their matches in that time except for a 19 – 19 draw with the Wallabies in 1988.
It’s salutary to remember right now when the Wallabies are struggling to defeat the All Blacks that there was a relatively recent period when, for four years, the men in black almost always came out on top of the Wallabies.
At least for the current Wallabies, it’s only been a year since they defeated the All Blacks.
This period of All Blacks dominance was followed a decade later by the Macqueen era, when the All Blacks found the Wallabies extremely difficult to defeat and New Zealanders conceded (as Australians do now regarding New Zealand rugby) that all the talent, especially intelligence and smart strategy on the field, was coming from the Wallabies and the Brumbies.
The moral here is that the wheel does turn. The South African Sevens side beat New Zealand at the Gold Coast on Saturday, for instance, for only the 11th time in 48 contests, Kenya had their boilover against Australia.
The only predictable thing about the future is that we can’t predict it. And this is why Australian rugby fans need to keep the faith.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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October 15th 2012 @ 7:47am
Wally James said | October 15th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
As for the ARU, this article epitomizes the problems which exist in the establishment of the game. The effect of the article is, Queensland had a push to take it over and the game can only get better when the Waratahs improve.
This sort of siege mentality and NSW-centric view of Australian Rugby must cease. There must be an AFL style commission administrating the game. Only then can all rugby people get the benefit of Australia’s strengths, not a mish mash of interstate/territory rivalries.
October 15th 2012 @ 7:54am
Justin2 said | October 15th 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
Mr Lord on another article wants a 6 man commission with 3 reps from qld and 3 from nsw, what a way to open the game up nation wide.
October 15th 2012 @ 8:02am
Wally James said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
Justin, I am at a bit of a loss to know what the criteria for membership of the board should be. No doubt the AFL had similar problems before. Perhaps that can be looked into.
It’s nearly like a reconciliation commission style body. The creation of an ARU commission won’t automatically rid us of rivalries. It is within living memory, for example, NSW refused to play Queensland because it said Q was not good enough.
I’m not sure 3 from NSW and Q would work. That shows an eastern seaboard- centricity, even then. What about ACT, Melbourne anad Perth?
But at least Lordy is thinking about it.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:42am
Justin2 said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Wally – I am all for an independant commission, AFL style, but to have nominated 3 from Q and 3 from NSW is ludicrous.
Quite simply, get the best man and women for the job assigned. If they are from the back of Adelaide, then so be it.
October 15th 2012 @ 11:41am
Mike said | October 15th 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
Wally, I believe this is precisely the issue that the Cosgrove-Arbib report will cover. Its findings are due in a few days.
The ARU board generally has been after this for years (i.e. a full-blown review on governance, designed to achieve a governing Commission much closer to the AFL model than the present State dominated set-up). The previous chairman McGrath publicly called for it, as did the current chairman Hawker. JON says he was pressing for it as soon as he came back in 2007.
The current spate of injuries have highlighted the issue – no point blaming the ARU unless it has the power to e.g. step in and direct a club or S15 side to rest a player.
October 15th 2012 @ 4:32pm
Wally James said | October 15th 2012 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
Mike, that report will make interesting reading.
October 15th 2012 @ 7:52am
Justin2 said | October 15th 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
So we will be making conclusions as to what happened with JON based on who replaces him. I get it now, no one has a clue. Perhaps Carmichael, if he were to get the job, was just the best man and there is no conspiracy at all, but doubtless the conspiracy theories are in place already and the appropriate article written, just waiting on which one to publish once the the new CEO is in place.
If the Waratahs performances are the biggest concern in AUS rugby then things are a lot better than I and many others had imagined. Quite an interesting statement I must say.
Perhaps the Waallabies could take a leaf out of Cheikas book on selection, we would be all the better for it.
Ps Spiro, how was the weather that memorable day back in ’37?
October 15th 2012 @ 7:55am
Phil Bird said | October 15th 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
Go kenya…
October 15th 2012 @ 7:58am
Terry Tavita said | October 15th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
the one advantage rugby has over afl and league is its international appeal..get the wallabies to host japan, samoa, fiji, usa, canada, argentina, italy etc more often and spread out the tests to other non-rugby playing cities..the current preoccupation with playing the all blacks and south africa and the celtic nations year in year out is not helping grow the game..agree with the appeal of sevens rugby though..16 teams, 16 countries and their legions of fans packed into one stadium, with beer, dancing, pretty girls and fancy dress and exhilliarating action on the pitch.
October 15th 2012 @ 8:33am
The Grafter said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
!986 All Blacks were initially captained by Andy Dalton, then David Kirk during the first World Cup when Dalton was injured. Shelford took over in 1987 on a Japanese tour and subsequently captained them winning 14 tests until he was dropped.
October 15th 2012 @ 8:57am
Harry said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
So I take it Spiro you’d have a negative view IF Carmichael was appointed CEO.
Intersted in why?
This gentleman is a professional sports administrator with little baggage, but has clearly done an outstanding job in reviatalising Queensland rugby – which was in a far worse state than the Tahs five years ago.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:07am
Harry said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Now onto JON – he’s on the front page of the AFR today saying he’ll take it up to James Packer’s attempts to intimidate him and the Echo board into handing over the rivers of gold from Sydney casino’s. Will be a very intersting stoush to observe.
Also on JON – we finally, finally get to hear his thoughts (now that he’s not responsible) on the deperately needed 3rd tier in The Australian, and guess what Roarers, its exactly as we all thought/feared – his solution is to stick to cosying up to the Brisbane and Sydney clubs.
Have a read here and weep, all those who have argued and proposed through thread after thread on The Roar …
DEPARTING ARU chief executive John O’Neill has called for a national club championship and an under-20s competition to provide a third-tier vehicle that is lacking in Australian rugby.
Unlike New Zealand and South Africa, Australia does not have a competition bridging club rugby and Super Rugby.
Former ARU chief executive Gary Flowers introduced the Australian Rugby Championship in 2007 in an attempt to create the equivalent of the ITM Cup in New Zealand and the Currie Cup in South Africa, but it only lasted one season.
When O’Neill returned to the ARU in 2007 he quickly disbanded the ARC, claiming it was too expensive to run.
But O’Neill said the Brisbane and Sydney club competitions could provide the third tier.
“People say we need ARC,” O’Neill said. “You have got infrastructure there in the Premier Rugby clubs in Sydney and Brisbane that’s been neglected.
“You look at the pathway — Wallabies, Super Rugby, under-20s, schoolboys, sevens, Premier Rugby.
“The institutions are there. They are great brands. Sydney University, Randwick, Easts, Brothers, GPS etc, etc.
“They are all there, but the neglect that has been exhibited . . . it’s a lot of people’s fault, including ours. The money has been going out, but taking it on as high performance (is required).
“We’re not saying third to sixth grade is high performance, but the top end of Premier Rugby, first and half of your second grade and first grade colts. That’s what the ARU is interested in.”
O’Neill said he would like to see the Sydney club competition expanded to include teams from Canberra and possibly Newcastle.
Teams from both those cities have been included before. Canberra teams were remarkably strong in the 1990s but were eventually forced out of the Sydney grade competition. From there they dominated the Brisbane competition before again being forced to retreat.
Newcastle’s Wildfires played in the Sydney competition before folding in 1999.
“I personally believe a properly configured competition in Sydney . . . bring in Canberra and maybe Newcastle, but certainly bring in Canberra,” O’Neill said.
“You still have the Shute Shield (Sydney) and the Hospital Cup (Brisbane) and then let the best of the best play each other. A national club championship.”
But O’Neill said club rugby was not professional and double-dipping in player payments to Super Rugby players was a cost the Brisbane and Sydney clubs could not afford.
“When you count all five Super Rugby teams there are about 150 to 180 professional rugby players in Australia,” O’Neill said.
“When they are not playing Super Rugby, 30 of them go off to play for the Wallabies and you have 120 to 140 going off to play in Premier Rugby.
“They shouldn’t get paid any more. They are on a contract to play rugby. That’s what you have to stop the clubs doing.
“This is what’s killing the clubs. They pay a lot for players who are already getting paid top dollar. There’s no real revenue in Premier Rugby.”
October 15th 2012 @ 9:38am
mick-e said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
A third tier that ignores Victoria and Western Australia is stupid. Why bother introducing super franchises there if you dont develop la pathway for local talent to eventually rise to the super franchises. How many players who are Perth grown have ever represented the Western Force?
A third tier will need some identity with existing clubs, at least in the beginning, but raising franchises in Victoria and Western Australia and then not giving home grown talent a feeder competition as a pathway into the super side is self defeating. Super sides and the Wallabies eventually need players from Perth and Melbourne. Look at the contribution of the Brumbies.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:48am
Justin2 said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
I agree with your premise mick and these states already provide a number of Wallabies, like Digby and Taps at the moment.
October 15th 2012 @ 11:30am
gaffa said | October 15th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
“How many players who are Perth grown have ever represented the Western Force?”
Longbottom
Tyrrell
Godwin
DHP
Turner
Ball
Ah-nau
Brock
Player who are WA products who have not played for the Force
Holmes
AWH
Hodson
October 15th 2012 @ 12:28pm
Jagman said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Note he said have your Shute shield and hospitals cup and then play best against best. This doesn’t rule out Western Australia and Victoria necessarily. Why can’t Wannaroo or Endeavor Hill join the best of best proposal for example.
October 15th 2012 @ 3:28pm
sheek said | October 15th 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Yes Mike,
This proposal of JON’s is sillier & sillier. It’s a cheap man’s version of a national comp. And we’ve all experienced the saying – “If cheap is what you pay, then chap is what you get.”
It makes no sense having a 3rd tier, or whatever you wish to call it, that doesn’t include teams from Vic & WA.
October 15th 2012 @ 11:57am
Mike said | October 15th 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
I think we must have a third tier, but I am open as to how it should be done. Broadly I can see two ways: (a) an ARC-style set up with new teams created independently of the curent club competitions; or (b) building on the current club system, but revamped and co-ordinated by the ARU. Whichever way we go, three things are imperative:
(i) It must at least pay its own way;
(ii) It must draw from rugby heartland, which is found in ACT, Victoria, WA and South Australia, as well as NSW and Queensland; and
(iii) it must be under the overall co-ordination and supervision of the ARU.
JON’s concept may be the right way to go. It needs to be thought through and publicly debated. Someone recently came up with a good idea (apologies to whomever I am plagiarising for this) that the club comps in each state should be co-ordinated to start and end at the same time, and they are followed by a club championship between the top 1-3 clubs from each state. This last segment should get national TV coverage.
October 15th 2012 @ 12:48pm
Mike said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
To add to my last after some mental stimulation from Sheek (he’s very stimulating!), the best way with 3rd tier is to run it from July to October (or perhaps June to October – so what if a small number of players miss the first couple of games because they are on test duty or the last S15 games?) so that it competes directly with the NRL and AFL on free-to-air TV.
That also means, with S15 running from February to July, that there is potentially continuous rugby on Australian TV throughout the year, although that will depend on the S15 contract being renegotiated to allow some FTA coverage.
I also like the idea of running the final a week or two after the NRL and AFL grand finals. Their supporters are likely to tune in, just to get another footie hit before the end of the year.
October 15th 2012 @ 4:05pm
nomis said | October 15th 2012 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
The test players will miss more than the first couple of games. they won’t be there at all really. if super finishes in jult, then the RC will finish in oct
October 15th 2012 @ 4:41pm
Mike said | October 15th 2012 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
True.
Of course, the more teams that a 3rd tier comp has, the less that matters, ie. the more the effect on the sides of losing players to test duty is diluted.
October 15th 2012 @ 1:35pm
NC said | October 15th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
He is exactly right about doing more with the current structure. ARC will go nowhere.
October 15th 2012 @ 3:35pm
Sledgeandhammer said | October 15th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
Finally the real reason he scrapped the ARC is revealed..
October 15th 2012 @ 5:53pm
Harry said | October 15th 2012 @ 5:53pm | Report comment
The depressing thing about reading this is that it confirms what I feared all along … it was Not a JON idea so therefore can it, and it went against the precious Sydney clubs, who were the drivers for JON’s reinstatement in 2007.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:13am
formeropenside said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
I love the inherent bias in so much rugby journalism – NSW running the game is just implicitly presented as “how it should be” while when Queensland gets involved it is a “takeover”.
More importantly though, hopefully young Jonah Placid stays in Qld and develops at an appropriate rate.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:25am
Harry said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Its gold eh FOS, including the reference to pre-ww2 Tahs.
Mind you my late father used to always say in his opinion that Boks side was one of, if not the best, team he ever saw, at the Brisbane Exhibition Ground no less. True exponents of the 15 man game, but obviopusly not good enough for the pre-war Tahs!
October 15th 2012 @ 9:33am
Will Sinclair said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Forget about pre-war Waratahs.
I clearly remember going to Concord Oval and watching the Tahs put the likes of England and South Africa to the sword in the last days of amateur rugby. Must have been the early 90s I guess.
Great times.
October 15th 2012 @ 10:41am
Mals said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
And how about the smashing of the Welsh team in 1991! (an undefeated season for the Tahs)
October 15th 2012 @ 12:34pm
formeropenside said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
The Tahs even beat Qld that year – the only year I can so remember between the late 80′s and 2005.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:31am
Will Sinclair said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Agree about the Cheika article.
I’ll be taking up membership with the Tahs again next season (after promising not to at the end of this season!).
October 15th 2012 @ 10:45am
Mals said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
LOL. I am thinking about it as well.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:33am
dcnz said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Selective fact making there re the AIG All Blacks Sevens losing to the Boks – the team has been hit hard by no ITM Cup players. and we made the final, unlike South Africa. The scheduling of the IRB round in the GC was a conspiracy against New Zealand! Column please…!