Pierro downed and now is he out?
By Justin Cinque, 15 Oct 2012 Justin Cinque is a Roar Expert
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Jockey Dwayne Dunn celebrates riding the Hawkes trained All Too Hard to victory ahead of the pre-race favourite Pierro in the Caulfield Guineas at Caulfield Racecourse in Melbourne, Oct. 13, 2012. (AAP: Julian Smith)
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I heard Hall of Fame trainer Lee Freedman say recently that the key period for a Melbourne Cup winner is the 17 days between the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups.
It is in the final two-week period before the Cup that a contender puts itself into a winning position by improving physically and at trackwork.
The five-time Melbourne Cup winner notes that if a horse stagnates or goes backwards in that time, their November dreams quickly fade away.
I suggest the same thing applies for Cox Plate (2040m, Group One, weight-for-age) candidates. And with the Moonee Valley feature only 12 days away, this is the key period for championship contenders.
If that’s the case, Gai Waterhouse must be feeling some pressure right now.
On Saturday morning she sent Pierro, a $1.8 Cox Plate favourite, to Caulfield for his final Moonee Valley lead-up in the Caulfield Guineas (1600m, Group One, three-year olds).
As a $1.22 favourite in his ninth start, Pierro was for defeated the first time – gunned down in the last 50m by Black Caviar’s half-brother All Too Hard.
Less than an hour earlier, Tulloch Lodge’s other star, More Joyous – third favourite for the Cox Plate – suffered a heavy defeat when fourth behind Solzhenitsyn in the Toorak Handicap (1600m, Group One).
The eight-time Group One-winning mare struggled against the physically-stronger sex, with a massive 60kgs on her back.
On Saturday night, this was a more than salvageable situation. After all, Pierro and More Joyous had excuses in defeat. They both worked up Caulfield’s notorious back-straight hill and were left exposed at the finish.
Their runs – especially that of the colt – were better than they first appeared.
But it’s not so rosy now. Not for Pierro anyway.
A whirlwind Sunday culminated with Cox Plate markets being momentarily suspended. Rumours suggested Pierro wouldn’t take his place in the Cox Plate.
Pierro was a $2.8 chance for the championship on Sunday morning. By the time markets were suspended in the evening, he was out to as much as $6 with Betfair.
Betting re-opened with Pierro the $3.5 TAB favourite, after Gai Waterhouse told Sky Racing’s Andrew Bensley the three-year old colt would still contest the championship.
More than most sports, the betting market is a telling guide in horse racing.
For reasons I’ll detail below, I still thought Pierro warranted favouritism for the Cox Plate after Saturday’s run. Yet, on Sunday, he accounted for only five per cent of the TAB’s takings on the Cox Plate – equivalent to the support a 20/1 shot would ordinarily enjoy.
There is no official reason for the betting drift but it’s safe to say Pierro didn’t pull up in outstanding order.
On Sunday morning, Fairfax papers embroiled champion hoop Damien Oliver in a betting scandal. Later in the morning, Sky Racing reported Oliver had been relieved of the mount on Cox Plate second favourite Green Moon.
Craig Williams, who was booked to ride Pierro, was announced shortly afterwards as the new rider of Green Moon in the Cox Plate.
Williams is managed by one of the better form analysts in the business in Mark Guest, and I doubt either Williams or Guest would’ve made the quick decision to jump off Pierro solely because of his narrow defeat in Saturday’s Guineas.
It is possible that on Sunday morning when the ride on Green Moon became available, Waterhouse – with a good reason – gave Williams the option to relinquish his obligation to Pierro.
And this is the most interesting part of the whole story – why would Gai give a jockey of the ilk of Williams the chance to jump off the Cox Plate favourite when it is so difficult to find a quality hoop that can ride at Pierro’s weight of 49.5kgs?
I suggest the reason is Pierro – understandably after a hard run – didn’t pull up in the best fashion on Sunday morning, triggering the rumours, subsequent betting drift and jockey change.
Williams has refuted the claims. Late last night he told news.com.au, “Gai was very fair. The key things were Green Moon has 59kgs and Pierro has 49.5kgs. I could have made Pierro’s weight, but it was going to be tough.
“I thought Pierro’s Caulfield Guineas effort was a good run but I was very impressed with Green Moon’s win in the Turnbull Stakes,” he said.
The 2012 Caulfield Guineas may not be remembered as the greatest of all time but it ranks highly.
Pierro’s chances in the Guineas were dealt a significant blow when he began slowly. From his outside alley, jockey Nash Rawiller made what I believe was a poor decision and pushed on to sit outside the leader.
This may’ve have been the pre-race plan but it should’ve been binned when Pierro was last on landing.
Rawiller could’ve easily snuck-in behind the speed brigade after the start and enjoyed a soft run in midfield. Only in Melbourne has Pierro been ridden so aggressively.
Rawiller’s decision to roll forward backfired. When the five jockeys inside Pierro realised the unbeaten colt would push-on after his slow start, they didn’t budge. The $1.22 favourite was forced to do a stack of work before finding the ‘death seat’ outside the leader.
Caller Greg Miles summed up a few people’s thoughts, “And Pierro’s four deep! Four deep climbing up the hill! He’s doing some work, the fav, here… We’ll find out how good he is today, I’ll tell ya.”
Obviously Pierro (perhaps quite correctly) hadn’t earned the respect of the jockey’s room. Black Caviar, for example – even when slowly away – never received the treatment Gai Waterhouse’s previously-unbeaten colt got on Saturday.
With all the pressure that was on up-front, All Too Hard and Dwayne Dunn enjoyed the nicest run at the back of the field.
For the first time since his two-year old campaign, the Patinack Farm star was in a race with speed and he looked comfortable. With a combination of poor barriers manners and unfavourable tactics playing a part in each of his four defeats to date, All Too Hard finally had his chance to shine.
Quite cruelly for Rawiller, the sustained high pressure saw leader Ashokan fold on the home corner and Pierro was left in front at the 400m. For a horse that hadn’t stopped working – after missing the start, working up the hill, and in the breeze – Pierro was exposed very early in the run home.
The Triple Crown winner dashed three lengths clear at the 200 but – understandably – his run ended quickly.
All Too Hard, the fresh horse on the scene, bloused the favourite in the last 50m of the race. In doing so, he took his Melbourne (or left-handed racing direction) record to three from three. Right-handed, in Sydney, he is only one from five.
All Too Hard has always promised to win a significant Group One race. He was the favourite for the Golden Slipper on the Sunday before the two-year feature but didn’t take his part.
Perhaps proving the true worth of the Guineas, All Too Hard didn’t accept for the $3.5m Slipper because, as a future sire, Saturday’s Group One (worth $1m) was his long-term aim.
Trainer John Hawkes claimed the pressure and physicality of a Slipper wasn’t worth the risk for a future stallion on the Guineas path.
In the end, he was proven correct. All Too Hard won his grand final and will push on to the Cox Plate as a winning chance.
Meanwhile, Golden Slipper winner Pierro, perhaps more gifted than his regally-related rival, was the vanquished at his stiffest test and now is in doubt for a Cox Plate that was seemingly his to lose only a few days ago.
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October 15th 2012 @ 8:25am
sheek said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Godd morning Justin,
I was going to ask you your take on Pierro’s start & how much it played in his defeat & I guess you answered it.
Pierro had to work hard early & that’s why he had little gas left at the finish. Of course, we can never know how much the early part of the race affected him. But if he pulled up sore, then that’s a clue.
Interesting that Freedman says the 17 days between Caulfield Cup & Melbourne Cup are crucial to a horse winning the big one.
Last week, when I gave stats of previous Cup winners form from Miller’s Guide, this was vindicated. As far as the MC is concerned, what has happened up to now is largely irrelevant, although it shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand.
How every contender performs in the next two and a half weeks will determine the winner of the big one. The key races are:
1. Caulfield Cup.
2. Geelong Cup.
3. WS Cox Plate.
4. Moonee Valley Cup.
5. LKS Mackinnon Stakes.
6. Hotham Handicap (or whoever the sponsor is).
One final thing, let’s call it the Hotham Handicap. It might only be a group 3 race at present, but it is the final key pre-race for the Melbourne Cup & deserves to be known by its registered name. Over the years it’s been called many things depending on the sponsor.
If necessary call it the Lexus Hotham Handicap. but for heaven’s sake, let the punting & sporting public know the name of the race. Give it stability.
October 15th 2012 @ 10:02am
Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Sheek
I dont mean to throw a spanner into the works but the Hotham was also known as the Dalgetty ” before my time”.
October 15th 2012 @ 10:42am
sheek said | October 15th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Bondy,
That’s right. The Hotham has been called so many different names at the whim of the sponsor – Dalgety, Crown,Ten News, Lean Cusine, Gadsen, Lexus. And I might have even missed one or two.
Is it asking too much that a major Melbourne Cup trial be allowed to retain its registered name?
October 15th 2012 @ 11:44am
Scuba said | October 15th 2012 @ 11:44am | Report comment
sheek, agree with your point, but it was the Salinger that was once known as the Gadsden, not the Hotham/Dalgety/Lexus/sponsor of the moment.
It’s not just sponsor name changes that annoy me – while PB Lawrence may have been a fine administrator, I couldn’t see the need to change the name of the JJ Liston. Likewise Dato Tan Chin Nam has been an important owner for a couple of generations, but without John F Feehan (and WS Cox) there’d be no track at Moonee Valley at all. While Makybe Diva deserves a race named in her honour, her only win at a mile was in a maiden at Wangaratta – why not leave the Craiglee alone and pick out a more suitable race to name after the multiple Cup winner.
I could go on, but this issue is a real sore spot for me so I should stop…
October 15th 2012 @ 12:29pm
sheek said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Scuba,
Agree, agree, agree. (And apologies to Justin for digressing).
October 15th 2012 @ 8:46am
Bondy. said | October 15th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
I placed bet epaulet, it was a great rush to see the odds on pop just about to get swallowed up with a 150 to go, lump in the pants stuff.
One thing I would mention is when Rawiller is indecisive he gets rolled he’s desicions were just that on both mounts poor indecisive rides.
Imagine a european trifecta next week.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:07am
Jack said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Will be very surprised if Pierro runs in the Plate. A good solid run but a “superstar” against his own age should be able to handle the pressure. An extra 400 meters and against proven WFA performers, mostly stayers, will test him. The pressure is on from the start. I think the $1:80 quote for the Plate, prior to the Guinees, was ludicrous and reminded me of Helmet and Luskin Star in their failed attempts to win it. Add to that Craig Williams jumping off I think says it all. Still, hope he does start, it will give me a better price about Green Moon and Ocean Park.
October 15th 2012 @ 9:44am
Will Sinclair said | October 15th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
The Cox Plate picture really did become more cloudy on the weekend, didn’t it?
Manighar out, More Joyous and Pierro beaten, Ocean Park battling to beat a limited field, Sincero failing over 2000m again.
Could be last man standing this year!
October 15th 2012 @ 12:29pm
Jason Cave said | October 15th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
I think last weekend’s races at Caulfield seems to put more questions than answers in regards to the Melbourne Cup.
You can be certain that the European horses will have a major say on who will take the Emirates Melbourne Cup.
In fact, I would not be surprised if in a few years time the 24 horse field for the Cup would consist entirely of international horses-with not an Australian born-and-bred horse among them.
October 15th 2012 @ 1:35pm
lemo said | October 15th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
Am I the only one who feels the Waterhouse issue re: bookie spriuking odds while in the next segment Mum assures punters her horse will win – just a little bit wrong.
How many bookies have such inside info on the workings of a stable.
October 15th 2012 @ 5:42pm
The Grafter said | October 15th 2012 @ 5:42pm | Report comment
Total conflict of interest Lemo when without punters, they would be no racing.
Double standards mate from ‘the chosen one’ who can do no wrong…..
October 15th 2012 @ 1:41pm
Scuba said | October 15th 2012 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Off topic from the Cox Plate, but gee Greg Carpenter has opened himself up for criticism by penalising Shahwardi only 1.5kg for the Melbourne Cup for his win on Saturday (the same penalty Glencadam Gold got for winning at Newcastle and that Fat Al got for winning the Epsom). If he was an Australian horse (or even an Australian-based horse) I’d wager heavily that he would have been penalised the 2kg that would have booked him a place on the first Tuesday in November (of course, with horses falling by the wayside, he may still sneak in).
October 15th 2012 @ 1:56pm
Justin Cinque said | October 15th 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
I’m not sure i agree. Alcopop 2009 and shewan 2011 received the same penalty as shahwardi did today after winning the herbert power.
October 15th 2012 @ 2:09pm
Scuba said | October 15th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Sorry, I should have made my point better – I have no issue with the 1.5 for Shahwardi itself, but rather the penalties issued for other races this year. Green Moon won the Newcastle Cup last year and got a penalty of 0.5 for the Cups – prior to that the last Newcastle Cup winner to receive a penalty for the Cups was Joss Sticks in 1998. There was a time when large penalties were essentially reserved for Caulfield Cup winners, but the handicapper has been throwing them around like confetti this year. Another example – Bianmick was penalised a kilo for winning the JRA Cup and Shahwardi thrashed him by nine lengths on Saturday!
October 15th 2012 @ 1:53pm
Justin Cinque said | October 15th 2012 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
It’s an interesting point lemo. Twitter was saying last night that TW was the first bookie to stop betting on the CP. If true, it’s easy to draw a long bow and say he knew something. A counter- argument to ppl who say his close relation to gai is bad for punters could be that TW was offering money-back offers for punter’s who backed one of gai’s that lost. I’m not sure what it all means.
October 15th 2012 @ 2:06pm
Alfred Chan said | October 15th 2012 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
Although I have always been skeptical about 3yo’s running in the Cox Plate, those who still believe he is a champion colt just need to look back three years when So You Think had a terrible run in the Guineas and came back two weeks later to win the Cox Plate. Pierro has only had three runs this preparation and has always had the Cox Plate as his main target. Pierro looks a better 3yo than SYT did and is better suited to Moonee Valley than Caulfield. It’s been said to death, but Nash really did cost Pierro that win. Working too hard early while Pierro had to run uphill, Nash spent him too early and I’m sure he now regrets it. With a shorter straight at the Valley, Pierro won’t need to sustain his run as long and should suit him better. It could however come down to his jockey. Chris Munce is the only Group 1 jockey capable of riding at 49.5kg since Williams is on Green Moon and Bossy is on Ocean Park. Munce however has ridden All Too Hard before and I suspect he will take the ride again. Pierro’s chances will come down to the ride/barrier. There are murmers of Tim Clark being called over from Hong Kong. Pierro’s bred to run the distance so that isn’t the problem. Personally, I don’t think Pierro will win but in 2009, So You think was one of the first horses I ruled out.
October 15th 2012 @ 5:56pm
sheek said | October 15th 2012 @ 5:56pm | Report comment
Alfred,
Very true, I had forgotten about 2009. Short-term memory is lousy, but long-term memory…..!
Well, if you’re going to run a bad race I reckon it’s better to lose the Gns then win the Cox, rather than the other way around. At least I reckon that might be how Gai & Nash are privately thinking.
October 15th 2012 @ 3:36pm
Greg said | October 15th 2012 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
lemo
Agree the bookie talking about how well “Mum’s” favourite is going sticks in my craw too. In fact, just about everything about “online” bookmaking, TAB Sports included, really makes me mad. I cannot stand a sports commentator or radio host spruiking the odds – fortunately I have long ago kicked the gambling habit; but it must be just about impossible for some to watch a game without having a bet.
Re: Guineas; I thought Pierro’s effort was first rate; pity he did so much on the tuesday before, and was so badly ridden by Nash. That was a shocker.
If Pierro recovers All Too Hard will not beat him ever again, assuming Nash either rides him properly, or Gai gets another Group 1 stable jockey.