Queensland Roos are smart arses
Roar Guru By steve b, 16 Oct 2012 steve b is a Roar Guru
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After the game at Dairy Farmers on Saturday night, the victory for Australia was soured by Queensland players singing their Queensland State of Origin victory song, let’s call it “the yippee song”.
What, the Aussie team don’t have a victory song?
Former Kangaroo (and renowned New South Welshman) Tommy Raudonikis has labelled the Queensland players as smart arses for their choice of song after the game.
Is the state rivalry affecting our Aussie team’s comradeship, which was once something treasured by all who wore the green and gold?
There is already some who believe that Test matches are a thing of the past and people have lost interest in what was once a great spectacle.
I for one used to love the three match Tests and it was always a great contest, but has the might of Origin taken the gloss of a once great series?
Most people you talk to now, it’s all about Origin, with Test matches being a very poor second.
Is it time to make Test matches a four year thing to try and bring back the interest, because the hype about State of Origin is massive and is very hard to beat.
Whichever way it goes, I think the powers that be need to have a long look the placement of Test matches, and how to bring back the interest in country versus country for players and fans.
Because if the players are singing their state song instead of combined Aussie song to celebrate their victory for Australia, what does that say about the future of the green and gold?
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October 16th 2012 @ 8:23am
Roarsome said | October 16th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
At least they didn’t mock the opposition by using the hand grenade post try celebration. There’s too many blues in the Australian side anyway. The few that should be there should be honored to wear the jersey of a winner and not be worried about the song. Tommy should buy another pack of “durrys” and jump back in his cab….. He can take his sick pup cattle dog with him too.
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October 16th 2012 @ 9:05am
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Roarsome so i take it you don’t think it showed any disrespect ,to the NSW players ?
October 16th 2012 @ 8:18pm
formeropenside said | October 16th 2012 @ 8:18pm | Report comment
More I dont care, myself. NSW have shown Qld enough disrespect over the years to earn a little back.
October 16th 2012 @ 9:30pm
Lovey said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:30pm | Report comment
Hi Steve, I’m usually with you. I didn’t see this one, but were the guys singing it meaning to disrespect the NSW guys? I just reckon the fans get caught up in this state rivalry too much, the players are mates, basically.
October 17th 2012 @ 7:48am
steve b said | October 17th 2012 @ 7:48am | Report comment
Lovey i don’t know if it was disrespect or they are just so used to singing after a victory , but disappointing to say the least , and as for the mateship those in the know say their seems to be a bit of a rift with the boys choosing to sit at meal times with their respective states , so i don’t think it’s as rosy as it once was …
October 20th 2012 @ 11:13am
Lovey said | October 20th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Steve, I had a look at it now, and I reckon there is nothing in it much. It looked like the Morrises, Farah and Bird were singing along. To me the body language does not show any great schism in the group. Maybe it is all a Paul Kent beat-up?
October 16th 2012 @ 11:36am
Mals said | October 16th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
Nice one Roarsome, bring up something that happen 10 years ago!
October 16th 2012 @ 8:27am
Boomshanka said | October 16th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Steve B
You nailed it when you said “because the hype about State of Origin is massive and is very hard to beat.”
Unfortunately the media love a story where they can’t lose and local NSW vs QLD is exactly that.
Last weekends test match build up was disappointing and left a ‘relatively’ flat feeling to the year. Even Channel Nine who chose to broadcast “live and exclusive” had the match after the A league in its previous sports news coverage. These are the same people that can promote the hell out of such loved shows as Excess Baggage or Farmer wants a wife, yet when it comes to bringing us international sport their marketing department can’t deliver.
An Origin ‘Series’ works and delivers blockbuster attendances and ratings. International Test ‘Series’ need to be organised in line with other Origin and other codes. There is nothing better than seeing a team lift and improve over multiple games.
October 16th 2012 @ 8:53am
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Boomshanka , your right nothing beats watching a team lift and improve over a series , and your spot on in regards media build up it hardly exists for test matches ..especially if you compare the hype the media creates for SOO ..
October 16th 2012 @ 8:33am
oikee said | October 16th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
The quicker Origin takes over international league the better. What is wrong with having Queensland and NSW play NZ separately .
Origin is the pinnacal of the game. It is the biggest sporting contest in Australia, why not build on that. The sooner NZ is brought into the contest the better. Why is our game always fighting a good thing. International league can grow off the back of Origin. is it really that hard to understand, do the dummies running our game find it that hard to comprehend.
This is our game in a nutshell, no thinkers, no forethought, no wonder we cant grow the game. Same as memberships, how long did it take for the warriors and other teams to wake up to the fact that they had heaps of supporters in Sydney where they play alot of their matches, same as Melbourne and Brisbane.
Too slow, too many dinosaurs have held the game back.
October 16th 2012 @ 9:02am
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Oikee yes i would love to see a three way Origin ,especially the way our test matches are being under mined by the sheer monster we call SOO , although as i said in the article i loved the 3 test match series , but it seems we may never get back to was once a huge look forward to on the rugby league calendar ..
October 16th 2012 @ 9:50am
The (not so) Special One said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
No one would care about NSW v NZ or QLD v NZ. Additionally it is disrespectful to another country’s national team – ‘Hey, you’re not good enough to play against our whole country just play against one state”
October 16th 2012 @ 10:04am
eagleJack said | October 16th 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Agree. Can you imagine the NZRU doing something similar against the Wallabies?
International league has a huge place in our game. More work needs to be done to bring it up to the level of Origin. But to simply include the Kiwis into Origin would be the easy solution and simply tell the world “we give up, we dont care about the International game”. Smart business isn’t always about taking the easy option. It will take hard work but a flourishing International scene is better for rugby league in the long run
October 16th 2012 @ 10:31am
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
eaglejack i think many would agree with your sentiments ,however it seems the powers to be are not interested , we have gone backwards in the way it used to be . How many promo ‘s did you see promoting the test match on t.v compared to origin . i would like nothing more than to see go back to the way it was ,As someone said to me the other day about the test match issue ,Steve you are a dinosaur you have to move with the times and test matches just aren’t as commercially viable as they once were . And if you can’t put bum’s on seats then get rid of it . i don’t agree but it looks like that the way we are heading …
October 16th 2012 @ 12:09pm
oikee said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
I replied to the special one below. If you dont want the game to grow, do nothing, keep playing test matches. I never said get rid of the tests, all i said is grow origin pie, you know, the money tree, like other codes do, play heaps and heaps of big games to reap in the doe.
Mate i dont care if the game does nothing, they have done nothing for 100 years now, lets keep doing nothing.
Origin is the cashcow, we need to grow it bigger, it has to happen,. It is too big now, look, i am trying to grow the game, fast, we have wasted years and years with the way the game is run, it needs change, big change and fast. Origin is the turbo charger, we etiher use it or lose it.
October 17th 2012 @ 9:40am
planko said | October 17th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Eaglejack the funny thing is about New Zealand rugby is that they probably are thinking about doing it as no one is giving them a run at the moment and the ARU will loose players post any NRL expansion after the TV deal.
October 16th 2012 @ 12:05pm
oikee said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Look, i try to bring up ideas, that is all. The whole idea is to get NZ playing at a higher level more often, so when we do play test matches it will be a really close hard fought contest. Did i say drop test matches. ????
Thwe whole idea is to grow the pot, you know the money tree, the green stuff, the thing that makes the world go around. A 3 way contest will be hugfe, you will get all the kiwis on board and have sellout 3 way crowds,
I give up,
why do you think the Wallabies and allblacks play a million tests a year, they are reaping the cash in with these ggames. Rugby league has a huge opportunity to grow the pot, if they dont want to then good, go bacvk to our little 2 state game and stay their, it does not worry me anymore.
October 16th 2012 @ 3:57pm
Tommygun said | October 16th 2012 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
If you want the Kiwi’s to grow stronger how about a NZ Origin the same time as the Aus Origin? Auckland v the other provinces. I know a few guys from Auckland and few not… They definately have a rivalry!
October 16th 2012 @ 12:45pm
Go warriors said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
I agree I would hate to see NZ play Queensland or NSW. As a proud Kiwi I would find that concept very disrespectul and insulting. Why cant we leave both state of origin and test matches seperately as they are.
I believe NZ v Australia test matches are as good as origin. It is only the media and the annoying experts that dont give international RL the recognition it deserves.
October 16th 2012 @ 5:00pm
Emric said | October 16th 2012 @ 5:00pm | Report comment
Have you been sharing drinks with John on Planet Key?
October 16th 2012 @ 6:48pm
League fan said | October 16th 2012 @ 6:48pm | Report comment
What are you on about Emric.
October 16th 2012 @ 8:58pm
Steve said | October 16th 2012 @ 8:58pm | Report comment
Especially as you’d lose to both.
October 27th 2012 @ 8:08pm
CJW72 said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:08pm | Report comment
Have to agree.. Tests have very little build up but by and large the content of the games are first class, high quality games with high intensity. The difference being without the assisted hype and build up from the Media that is bestowed upon SOO. Also there is no campaign or result to build up momentum towards in the media due to token one off fixtures.. Bring back Test series FFS.. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work out the formula for international success. The talent is there, it’s undeniable..
October 27th 2012 @ 8:00pm
CJW72 said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:00pm | Report comment
Not to mention that the Kiwis were only just defeated by the combined best from both NSW and QLD and NZ. I’m sure the State of NZ could more than hold their own. NZs population is State like by proportion. Interesting.. With all the poaching by Kangaroos being akin to NSW pre Origin era I’m sure NZ could unleash its own grudge and chant NEWZEALANDER just as hard as any Qldr..
October 16th 2012 @ 4:08pm
Junioroz74 said | October 16th 2012 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
Super League tried this back in 1997 as a tri-series, and look where Super League is now, burned and it’s ashes buried under 3 tonnes of peat moss. When will people realise that New Zealand isn’t a state, granted they were asked during the federation of Australia to join, but only to a resounding no. Leave the internationals between our two countries to Rugby Union.
October 16th 2012 @ 9:09am
Luc said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
There was a song the Kangaroos used to sing, and it was great.Something along the lines of “We are the Aussie boys. We had a win today. Something something something. We showed them how to play.” Then it ends with “Cheers boys cheers we are together. Every now and then we have a win.” Not sure why that song would get lost in the mists of time. A shame the QLD boys would take that approach on what was a true team effort.
October 16th 2012 @ 9:12am
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Luc well said and i agree !!
October 16th 2012 @ 11:15am
Mantis said | October 16th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
That song was used by the St George team from the 50′s and 60′s, when they won all those premierships. They’d sing it in the sheds after a win. The Aussie team at the time consisted of a lot of the St George team, so they changed the words of the song and adapted it for the Australian team.
A bit like what QLD did, but at least they changed the words a bit.
October 16th 2012 @ 9:23am
JasonA said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
I have thought that for a while now as well oikee. International league is a very stale concept. Playing as separate colonies would really freshen up both origin and international league. It would stop the poaching of kiwi talent (James Tamou etc.) and seriously QLD would love to be known as world champions haha. Course the NRL season would have to be shortened to fit the extra games in.
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October 16th 2012 @ 9:35am
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
JasonA i think thats the way it’s heading , unless they can some how bring back the interest in the test matches !!
October 16th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Pot Stirrer said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
I think the only way to bring back the interest int tests is to have a 3 test series against the kiwis in the same fashion that SOO is done. Maybe its time to replace SOO with test footy, it would solve the eligitably fiasco we have now. it might take a year or 2 to get to the same hype but i think it could be done.
October 16th 2012 @ 12:56pm
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
Pot stirrer i agree with eaglejack i think we could have both ,if the powers to be could get their s–t together , i love the three game series and i’m sure if promoted right would bring the fan’s interest back in test matches , do i think it will happen , no because of time and the dollar issue . If you haven;t noticed common sense never prevails when it comes down to the NRL making decisions about the future of the game just look at their views on expansion ..
October 16th 2012 @ 1:14pm
Pot Stirrer said | October 16th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
i agree, but i do think the game will eventually expand but then i dont see how we can have a SOO series
between 2 states only when and if we have a team in WA and maybe SA. It is difficult but International competition should be the pinnacle of All sports imo. SOO is the pinnacle for us. In other codes they have
RU, World Cup,Bledisoe,6 nations, and the the new 4 nation series. All held in very high esteem.
Soccer, World Cup, european Cup, 2 of the biggest sporting events in the World.
Cricket, Everybodys only interested in internationals especially the Ashes.
Hockey has the olympics and im sure thier would be plenty more examples.
It would also help with the NRL expansion as everybody is interested in international competition and would get plent of media exposure. They could follow up a midseason series against the Kiwis with a series against the English at the end of the season and i think if this happened aswell as the kiwis having a series against the poms somewhere in all that it would build the interst in the RLWC to rival the other codes world cups.
October 16th 2012 @ 1:31pm
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
That’s why some want a 20 team comp and only play each team once except for finals of course and this would allow SOO and tests to fit in the normal season , i don’t know the answers but i do know that it will be sad day if we don’t keep test matches alive and profitable . The new commish have plenty on their plate let’s just hope we see some brilliant ideas that have been talked about come to being because at the moment ,to use oikee’s favourite saying ,it’s a dog’s breakfast very messy ..
October 16th 2012 @ 12:11pm
bjt said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Didn’t Super League try this and everyone hated it? Heaven forbid in the land of super league haters, they would want to poach one of their ideas…
The thing I do not understand, is why no one seems to realize that the whole Origin/NZ issue (if there is one) has a simple solution – we can have our cake and eat it too.
1. Origin cannot be touched, and diluted by adding other states or nations. This would kill the concept, as it is simply because QLD v NSW is the precise reason it is popular. If it was QLD v NSW v NZ it would have NEVER reached the level it has today. Why for the love of god can some people not see this??? Taking away the reason it is popular equals what?
2. Cake time. Answer me this, where does is say in the rules or lore of rugby league that QLD/NSW can only play three games per year? The answer is an end of year of competition that could have QLD/NSW/NZ/PNG and expanded to include other pacific islands and states. Too one sided for minnow states, bring in a tier system, where only the best make it through to the top dogs. Too much rugby league for the players? Reduce the NRL season – 26 rounds begins to drag around round 20.
This will allows us to keep state of origin in its original form, plus help develop the nations around the world, develop the states, give us more league at the end of the season. Its win win.
October 16th 2012 @ 12:42pm
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
bjt great idea let’s hope the NRL are reading today , plenty agree with you ,but none that matter , it’s all becoming about the mighty dollar and unless a concept can show huge prospectus they will never even consider it …
October 16th 2012 @ 9:44am
eagleJack said | October 16th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
The great Darren Lockyer would never have allowed such a thing to happen. But he was class on and off the field. I thought Nate Myles reaction said it all. He looked shocked and embarrassed that it was being sung.
Gallen’s handling of it afterwards was impressive basically saying that the QLDers were so used to singing it that they did so out of habit. Still it was disappointing to see.
October 16th 2012 @ 10:03am
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
eaglejack yes i do believe the great Darren Locker or the King would have never allowed it to happen , and yes Gallen’s remark’s were to be commended ,for not reacting in the negative . And yes very disappointing !!
October 16th 2012 @ 11:16am
Mantis said | October 16th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
I agree. It is embarrassing for NSW players. QLD didnt win the game.
October 16th 2012 @ 1:19pm
Rixy said | October 16th 2012 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
I don’t think you should mess with origin. Too good as it is.
What I would lile to see is tier one eligibility and tier two eligibility. Players can nominate their country (e.g. Australia) however if they arent picked they can play for their second country of eligibility (e.g. Tonga). NZ and England would also be tier one teams.
Would allow far more competitive minnow teams as they would have great players playing in big games. it will increase competitiveness of minnows and create far more interest.
My other idea (couldn’t do both) is a Pacific Islands team (ala West Indies Cricket). I think they could potentially have some good players. Would take 20 years to build up but could potentially be a powerhouse with the number of polynesians growing. Would need to build a culture of players wanting to play for them.
October 16th 2012 @ 1:25pm
Renegade said | October 16th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
International Rugby League is here to stay….there are plenty of developments happening all over the world.
Just because there was only 2 test matches in Australia this year doesn’t mean its time to kill it.
The ARL wanted a rest year in preparation for the world cup.
These doomsday articles are typical rugby league pieces.
October 16th 2012 @ 1:55pm
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Renegade i wouldn’t agree on the doomsday bit ,however i don’t think anyone want’s to see the end of test matches , but the interest is diminishing you would have to agree , and something needs to be done to bring back the interest of the fan’s ,although it was the second biggest crowd at dairy farmers , if the game had of been held in Sydney it would have been lucky to pull 20.000 . As i said above i think better timing and promotion are needed in order to keep in line with the interest of SOO …
October 16th 2012 @ 2:50pm
bjt said | October 16th 2012 @ 2:50pm | Report comment
I think that Australians want there to be more interest from the Kiwi side in international rugby league. Realistically its just a side event for them, if they win they gloat and if they lose they could care less. This is kind of the feeling Queenslanders had with Origin, before the momentum of the streak and Ricky’s whinging. When NSW lost, they always acted like it was no big deal, something Queensland can never do.
Regardless, Union is NZ’s game, and will be for a long time coming and not the nation (not matter how much we want them to be) that a Origin like rivalry will come from. Think about how riled up they get when we beat them in union. However, England is where that interest lies. That needs to start happening again.
What’s the key to England being an internationally interesting match up? Easy answer, its because they have a legit national comp. Something as simple as listening to bias pommy commentary goes a long way. If NZ did have a national comp (a real one) they might go a long way to building that rivalry.
October 16th 2012 @ 3:28pm
R Wiki said | October 16th 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
BJT, I think the Kiwis are more interested in International League than the Aussies. A lot of Aussies (rightly) believe Origin is the pinnacle of the sport, but with the Kiwis not involved, these Tests are the highest level of league they will play.
In order for Tests to rival Origin, the Kiwis need to be much more competitive & then the fans will watch the rivalry in their droves. Unfortunately this is where Origin is killing the international game. Talented NZers are turning their backs on the kiwis to chase the dollar, & how can the kiwis be competitive when they cant get their best players?!
I for 1 know Origin will work just fine without Tamou/Papali’i/Teo etc but the Kiwis will never match Oz without these players.
the sooner we sort the eligiblity laws the quicker we can fix both Tests & Origin, & Im optimistic both can succeed.
October 16th 2012 @ 3:29pm
Go warriors said | October 16th 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
bjt I think you are underestimating us Kiwis passion for league. The last test match held in Auckland had a crowd of 35,000 and the test before that got 44,000. For New Zealands standard they are enourmous crowds. Very few sports outside of rugby gets crowds like that so the passion is there.
The problem for us is that the Kiwis dont play often enough and very rarely play in NZ therefore most Kiwis are more passionate about the Warriors as they play a lot more regulary.
October 16th 2012 @ 11:56pm
bjt said | October 16th 2012 @ 11:56pm | Report comment
Yep, fair point.
However, I just think league has a long way to go in NZ. I believe that the NZ must implement a proper national comp, that would rival QLD Cup / NSW Cup. The current national comp of 7 rounds, is a start I suppose, however is far from representing league in that nation and if they’re happy with it, its a joke.
This needs to change, and when it does, much good will come from it for Rugby League both in NZ and internationally. Actually I believe that further NRL expansion in NZ should not even be considered until something is in place for a number of years.
The real question is what is NZRL administration doing for the sport? All they seem to be doing is chasing anyone in Australia with a hint of kiwi connection and reading the Courier Mail to see what Mel is up to. Fair enough for blokes who have lived in NZ the majority of their lives that now reside in Aus, but people who have lived half their lives here have a choice, as simple as that.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a league expansionist and NZ is very important to state of league. What makes me angry is the inaction of NZRL.
October 17th 2012 @ 8:37am
Go warriors said | October 17th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
bjt the problem is though the top league players in NZ all go to Australia to play league as there is just so many more opportunities. They have had good domestic comps in the past however scouts from Australia come over and the domestic comp will lose all its best players. NZ is just too small of a country and does not have enough money to starve off the cash rich NRL.
As a Kiwi I am not too bothered. The NRL is the best RL comp in the world so to have plenty of Kiwis playing in it will mean the Kiwis national team will be strong as we saw on Saturday night.
October 17th 2012 @ 10:24am
bjt said | October 17th 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Yes, I can see how this happens, however regardless not all Rugby League players make the big time. There has to be a second tier, such as the QLD/NSW Cups. The good players all get poached regardless of where they play, and although there are more than a few kiwis running around in the NRL and NZ rugby league aren’t that good that they all make the big time.
You have to consider that even WA, SA and VIC have domestic comps, not high quality, however I’m sure that the WA will feed into a future WA club. I remember reading that the SA comp supported the Rams.
Second tiers create depth, something both QLD and NSW have, NZ does not. It irks me that players like Josh Hoffman, Gerard Beale etc have come through the Queensland system, and that Queensland’s cash and time have been used to develop these players. NZ would have much more of a leg to stand on when it comes to “poached” kiwis when they have been worked through the ranks of a kiwi RL system.
And just because no one would watch, does not mean that there is not an onus on NZRL to develop the sport locally.
October 16th 2012 @ 3:31pm
Renegade said | October 16th 2012 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
Steve,
Sorry mate, the doomsday was in reference to the perceived death of International rugby league on most articles….not this one in particular.
The sport is growing internationallly and we have a world cup next year that is going to showcase the greatest game of all.
Expanding origin, will not only kill internationals but it will kill origin as well…no one wants to see NSW vs NZ. That’s the most absurd thing i’ve ever heard.
There was close to 900,000 people watching in just NSW, VIC & QLD so the interest is there…..not sure where the false perception comes from.
The only thing missing is the hype….the media over hype origin to the point where people who don’t like any type of sport will still watch origin. If the media got a bit more behind promoting test match football rather than searching for Mad Monday stories….the oppurtunities are endless.
October 16th 2012 @ 7:06pm
steve b said | October 16th 2012 @ 7:06pm | Report comment
Renegade so do you think in years to come if we get expansion that it should still remain only the two eastern states ? And yes mate i would have to agree if the media got behind the promotion instead of chasing the sensational , just maybe we could get back to the way it used to be. a great look forward to on the league calendar …
October 16th 2012 @ 1:50pm
Christo the Daddyo said | October 16th 2012 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
Why don’t they just sing the national anthem? You know, like every other national team does…
October 16th 2012 @ 7:56pm
Benny said | October 16th 2012 @ 7:56pm | Report comment
They did, before the match. This article refers to a song sung after winning the game.
October 17th 2012 @ 7:39am
steve b said | October 17th 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
Yes mate after !
October 17th 2012 @ 8:29am
soapit said | October 17th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
would be interesting getting yi yi yippee sung before the match in place of the anthem.
October 16th 2012 @ 4:35pm
2BB (AKA 2 Bob Billy) said | October 16th 2012 @ 4:35pm | Report comment
The Centre of the Universe and the Game of Rugby League is shifting north of the Tweed.
Get used to it
Build a bridge…
October 17th 2012 @ 1:39am
peeeko said | October 17th 2012 @ 1:39am | Report comment
i can assure you that its not