Ange’s visit to Suncorp spoiled by fan insults
By Todd Kelly, 19 Oct 2012 Todd Kelly is a Roar Rookie
A-League's most successful coach, Ange Postecoglou. (AAP Image/Julian Smith)
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While one swallow doesn’t make a summer, the recent 5 – 0 win by Brisbane Roar over the Melbourne Victory looks a lot like the Roar are picking up where they left off last year.
All power to Roar coach Rado Vidocic for bringing some new elements to the Roar’s game.
However, as a fan of the Roar, I was left pretty cold by the way Ange Postecoglou was treated in the lead up to, and during the game last Saturday.
The Brisbane media’s portrayal of interviews with players started the ball rolling, with stories which seemed to have a unsavoury motive behind them – painting Ange’s contribution during time as coach as irrelevant and already forgotten, as some sort of revenge against him having the gall to leave Queensland and coach elsewhere.
This situation was then compounded at the game by a few vitriolic fans who unfurled a banner directly insulting Ange. It was good to see security guards remove it, but not before more damage was done.
I for one don’t suffer from the apparent short memory of the media or some of the fans in this city. It’s no secret that before Ange came along, the Roar were a basket case – the easy beats of the A league, languishing at the foot of the table.
Ange’s efforts, assisted by current coach Vidosic, turned the club around completely and created a team that play exciting football and delivered a premiership, two grand final wins, a record unbeaten streak, two qualifications for the Asian Champions league and, importantly, more fans.
The Roar’s success also had the effect of raising the bar across the rest of the A-League and, as a result, made a huge contribution to improving the quality of football across the country.
I also believe Brisbane’s success outside of the Sydney and Melbourne centres contributed to further cementing the A-League in the Australian sporting landscape.
I contrast these achievements with the real possibility that if Ange hadn’t arrived when he did, the club may well have lost its major sponsor and folded, leaving Brisbane – and indeed Queensland – without an A-League team.
I still don’t understand why the media took the angles they did on their stories – perhaps they felt the return match against Victory was a State of Origin style affair and they figured generating some hate towards the ‘southerners’ might get a few more clicks on their websites.
Similarly, I don’t understand why some fans felt the need to insult Ange in the way that they did.
I for one don’t begrudge Ange leaving to further his coaching career – and I don’t recall the same treatment being dished out to Wayne Bennett by the media or the league fans when he left the Broncos to coach St George.
What I do know is Ange has done more for football in Brisbane and the A-League than anyone could have thought possible when he took over at the club.
I’m all for healthy rivalry but am disappointed at the rapid public degeneration of the relationship between Ange and the club, the Brisbane media and some of the fans and I hope it doesn’t last.
But the handshake at the end of the game between Rado and Ange said it all and I’d like to think if everyone had their time over again, it would all be done very differently.
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October 19th 2012 @ 6:54am
MV Dave said | October 19th 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
Ange has been in the game long enough to understand there will always be a few numb nuts in the crowd who don’t represent everyone. He is well paid and now coaching in his home town at the biggest club in the land. He also has the self belief to understand he who laughs last laughs loudest…his success at Victory will come.
October 19th 2012 @ 7:58am
Realfootball said | October 19th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Oh, honestly, what an overreaction. “Fan insults”? AP must have a very, very thin hide. He left the club, after promising to stay, while still under contract. He knowingly misled his players. He allowed his leaving to rob our last GF win of much of its lustre, grabbing all the headlines with the timing of his announcement. Did he not expect this to engender a reaction? And anyway, its football. That kind of banter is part of the game.
Ange handled it in exactly the wrong way – he very publicly insulted a completely innocent party, Rado Vidosic, and the Brisbane players – after Broich had gracefully tried to set the record straight on national television. Ange behaved like a surly, spoiled, egocentric pratt. No one likes a bad loser, and AP was a very bad loser indeed on Saturday.
The media were just doing what the media do. They need a story. The “angle” was entirely logical and predictable. If AP was caught off guard, he shouldn’t have been. What other angle were the media ever going to take under the circumstances? And the coverage was good for the profile of the game. This is the kind of emotive rivalry that the A-League needs. Watch the publicity rachet up a notch when these two sides next meet in Melbourne.
I most certainly thank him for all he did for Brisbane, but I have no sympathy on this count.
October 19th 2012 @ 8:16am
tk said | October 19th 2012 @ 8:16am | Report comment
Not my titling of the article. My point is there was no need for the media lead up to the game fom which the other reactions flowed the media could have taken any number of other angles. So Ange left….the level of speculation and questions he faced in the weeks leading up to the GF meant he had to make a statement. At least it was after the GF. On balance I don’t think he deserved that kind of response from brisbane when he came back.
October 19th 2012 @ 8:52am
Realfootball said | October 19th 2012 @ 8:52am | Report comment
My take is that it’s all part of the show.
We need the fireworks.
October 19th 2012 @ 10:18am
Jay said | October 19th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Why? Isn’t the ever improving quality of the game good enough?
The media beatup regarding the players was disgraceful and I’m glad Broich set the record straight.
I agree with you though about Ange’s behaviour. He’s normally a pretty level headed guy and should have known the players would not speak poorly of him, so I was surprised he was so moody. Then again his new team was just given a towelling so perhaps it wasn’t the best time to get a reaction from him.
October 20th 2012 @ 10:16am
Realfootball said | October 20th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
No, just the football isn’t enough. The publicity is just as important. This perspective comes from 20 years in the screen media, including PR and advertising. A good product is one thing, but it doesn’t count for much if you can’t promote it to potential customers. This has been the A-League’s core problem for the past 2 seasons.
October 19th 2012 @ 9:21am
Dave said | October 19th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Realfootball – Spot on. Agree with every word of that post. Ange was as much if not more to blame for his petulant reaction. The media cannot be blamed, and if anything should be applauded for beating up the rivalry I say.
October 19th 2012 @ 11:32am
Ian said | October 19th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
Thank RealFootfootball.
you saved me about 15 minutes as you said it word for word on how it happened and what i was going to type .
Ange could have stayed a wee bit longer, maybe coached the remaining two ACL games. but his announcement he was leaving was at the airport two hours after the grand final parade. the players simply never had a bad word to say about him.
cheers
October 19th 2012 @ 2:29pm
bart said | October 19th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
Well Said Realfootball. Surely AP would not have been surprise that there would be some disillusion from Brisbane fans and some players, but no one actually thinks bad of him for what he achieved with the Roar. Just some disappointment because he ditched us after saying he would stay.
October 21st 2012 @ 9:48am
mahony said | October 21st 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
You see / you were going so well until you incorrectly stated Ange was under contract. Brisbane blew it – and Ange wanted to coach at a big club. He deserved better and your provincial attitudes got the better of you!
October 19th 2012 @ 8:11am
George said | October 19th 2012 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Its tribalism at its best.
A few choice words from his former players and fans alike helped get the crowd in the mood!
Long may it continue.
October 19th 2012 @ 8:45am
clayts said | October 19th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Gee if you think that is bad, go to a Melbourne Derby
October 19th 2012 @ 8:58am
Neil said | October 19th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
The crowd sitting around me were very respectful towards Ange even though they were hurt by the way he left the club. The sign held up by a few young wags was not out of order, it showed there is a bit of loyalty towards their team. This is what the game has lacked for a long time.
As for the media build up before the game, who can control what the media does, ask the Prime Minister. As an older Australian, I think Ange was more than a bit precious after the game.
October 19th 2012 @ 6:30pm
tk said | October 19th 2012 @ 6:30pm | Report comment
I wasnt commenting on anthing post match and I agree Ange didn’t cover himself in glory there. My comments relate only to the pre match and match events.
October 19th 2012 @ 9:32am
Ballymore said | October 19th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
I was disappointed in how some of the Roar fans treated AP, but he has made his bed and now he can lie in it. This banter adds far more to rivalry than any manufactured FFA campaign, so in that sense it was a positive.
Far more distasteful was security removing the “Without Us You’re Nothing”. If I wanted censorship I would move to Burma.
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October 19th 2012 @ 10:21am
Finsta said | October 19th 2012 @ 10:21am | Report comment
I can’t agree with everything in that article. Yes we definitely improved under Ange but we weren’t exactly scraping the bottom of the barrel when he took over.
Also the way in which Ange left the club (after saying “let’s go for the three-peat”) was not good and fans remember that.
I believe in 5 years time and beyond, Ange’s legacy at Brisbane will be respected and loved. Right at this moment in time all he was ever going to receive from the majority of fans was a bollocking. That’s football!
October 19th 2012 @ 10:25am
marlie chiller said | October 19th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
“before Ange came along, the Roar were a basket case – the easy beats of the A league, languishing at the foot of the table” You need to do your research Todd before submitting. In the two previous seasons before Ange they finished 3rd. Under Farina they played some very exciting football and always looked like they could win. They were champions of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and lost or drew many games where they dominated but got done on the counter attack.
I am concerned that people believe that because news limited say that the current Roar players are “anti ange” then it must be a fact. News Limited have been trying their best to stir trouble on this issue since he left
October 19th 2012 @ 11:36am
Ian said | October 19th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
yes – if roar were a basket case then what term applies to some other clubs – the roar did have their worst season when ange took over halfway through. but prior to that had made the finals and finished 3rd. not exactly muppets. i don’t recall ange being employed or in demand at that time either. his appointment certainly ended up helping both parties didn’t it.
October 19th 2012 @ 6:26pm
tk said | October 19th 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
To clarify I was referencing the season ange took over.
October 20th 2012 @ 7:58am
Ian said | October 20th 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
fair enough. the results that year speak for themselves.
October 19th 2012 @ 10:52am
Nelson said | October 19th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
“This situation was then compounded at the game by a few vitriolic fans who unfurled a banner directly insulting Ange. It was good to see security guards remove it, but not before more damage was done.”
As an MV fan it’s been interesting seeing Broar supporters trying to re-write history as their means of getting over the sense of betrayal they feel about Ange’s departure. But – as Ballymore says – it’s never good to see supporters voices muted/censored by overzealous authorities. I don’t see why they shouldn’t be able to raise a banner that expresses how they feel. It’s all part of the game.
October 19th 2012 @ 11:39am
Ian said | October 19th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
no one is rewriting history. broich said rado had some brains and contributed in the past. berisha says he loves ange but wanted to beat him. there was about 6 months of speculation that rado was a muppet and will just use anges techniques.
one example was that wonderful penalty broich took that went under the MV wall when they all jumped at the same time. rado got that from watching the previous weeks game of MV v Wellington (i think). where the whole wall jumped. hence broich ran over to rado after that goal was scored. that’s just a bit of trivia there.
October 19th 2012 @ 11:51am
Nelson said | October 19th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
That trivia about the fk is well known. It was a good pick up by an assistant coach, but irrelevant in terms of actual structure and game play. There has been plenty of re-writing of history going on in Brisbane since the off-season began, here, 442, everywhere. Don’t fret, it’s quite understandable, jilted lover etc.
October 19th 2012 @ 12:16pm
Ian said | October 19th 2012 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
i have read on fox sports, sbs, here,. some MV fans are out saying brisbane fans are rewriting history, disrespecting ange, and as you alluded to – apparently rado never did anything with plans and structure so he has nothing to offer. MV got ange and flores in the offseason but it hasn’t worked out like was hoped with the trophies all coming to melbourne this year. ange hasn’t acted like a mature adult lately so its understandable that approach is taken to deflect attention away from the real issues. it just adds some spice when ange next ignores rado or has a sook after losing the derby and being slaughtered.
October 19th 2012 @ 11:27am
jack@hotmail.com said | October 19th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Kind of taking all the fun out of the show arent u ?
Can we hvae any fun and stir an old coach ? All adds to the drama, now we dont have our derby(GCU) we need a new number one enemey all add s to interest in the game its heathy as next game between the two will have massive interest