59kg: The weight of history to stop Dunaden winning the Melbourne Cup
French horse Dunaden (right, yellow silks) ridden by Christophe Lemaire gallops to victory. AAP Image/Julian Smith
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The win of Dunaden in the 2012 Caulfield Cup was freakish, but to do it again in the 2012 Melbourne Cup will make him one of the greats.
At Caulfield on Saturday, to overcome a wide barrier and the hefty impost of 58kg was something quite spectacular, proving him to be one of the classiest stayers we’ve seen contest the Cups in recent times.
Racing Victoria’s chief handicapper Greg Carpenter agrees, having given him a 1kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup this morning.
“Dunaden again proved himself one of the most gifted 2400-metre horses in the world on Saturday winning the BMW Caulfield Cup with 58kg in what was an outstanding performance,” Carpenter said.
“Given the quality of field he beat and the manner in which he won the race the victory demanded a review of his Emirates Melbourne Cup handicap and I have penalised him 1kg thus rising to 59kg.”
Dunaden will be aiming to become the 12th horse to win the famed Cups double – the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups in one season – and the first to win two Melbourne Cups and a Caulfield Cup.
“Only Rising Fast in 1955 with 9st 5lb has carried a weight rivalling the 59kg allocated to Dunaden when completing the Caulfield-Melbourne Cup double,” Carpenter told Racing Victoria.
The weight of history is firmly against the French galloper.
No horse has carried more than 58.5kg to win the Melbourne Cup since the introduction of metric weights in 1972, although Makybe Diva carried the equivalent of 60.5kg when she won her third Cup in 2005.
16 horses have carried 59kg or more since 1972, including some of the greats of the turf – the likes of Gunsynd (3rd, 1972), Kingston Town (20th, 1981/2nd, 1982), Better Loosen Up (12th, 1992), Super Impose (4th, 1991/15th, 1992), Vintage Crop (7th, 1994/3rd, 1995), Vinnie Roe (4th, 2002) and Yeats (7th, 2006).
In Dunaden’s favour, though, is that the weight spread – the difference between those at the top of the weights and those down the bottom – has reduced over the years.
When Gunsynd ran third in 1972, he was giving the winner Piping Lane 12.5kg and the runner-up Magnifique 8kg. There was a total weight spread of 17kg, an incredible amount.
When Kingston Town was controversially beaten in 1982, he gave the winner Gurner’s Lane 3kg – not a huge amount. But he gave third placegetter Noble Comment 9.5kg, and there was an 11kg weight spread.
Even when Super Impose ran a remarkable fourth in 1991, he gave 9kg to the winner Let’s Elope. There was a 12kg weight spread.
Slowly, this spread has been reducing. Last year, for example, there was a 7kg spread.
This year, the cutoff may even be as high as 52.5kg, not including the winner of the Lexus Stakes. That means Dunaden only has to give horses up to 6.5kg, not a large amount by any standards.
The challenge will come from those who are very generously weighted to Dunaden compared to recent clashes.
Red Cadeaux was only beaten a nose by Dunaden last year, when he carried 1kg less. This year, Red Cadeaux will carry 3.5kg less than Dunaden, therefore meeting him 2.5kg better. That’s a huge difference given the miniscule margin that separated them on the line last year.
Americain should arguably have won last year’s Melbourne Cup, while he was three wide all the way on Saturday and still finished fourth. He will meet Dunaden 1kg better for their Caulfield clash, but he meets Dunaden a whopping 4.5kg better on last year’s Melbourne Cup.
Then there is a horse like Brigantin, who beat Dunaden by the barest of margins in May last year. They carried equal weights that day, but at Flemington, Brigantin will carry an incredible 6kg less than Dunaden.
I was quick to dismiss Dunaden at Caulfield, believing too much was against him. I was left with egg on my face.
After Saturday’s performance, it would take a brave man to suggest he couldn’t carry the extra weight and win.
But the task that confronts him is massive. Some of the more fancied Melbourne Cup chances did not run in the Caulfield Cup, meaning the Melbourne Cup will be a new challenge altogether.
If he was to win, he would join Archer, Peter Pan, Rain Lover, Think Big and Makybe Diva as multiple winners of the great race. And given the task that confronts him, he’ll need to be as good as any of them to record a historic second victory.
I will definitely be risking egg on the face for the second time with Dunaden by looking elsewhere in two weeks time. Perhaps Wednesday’s Geelong Cup will reveal the next French contender, with Brigantin and Tac de Boistron both considered strong chances of emulating Americain and Dunaden.
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October 22nd 2012 @ 2:20pm
sheek said | October 22nd 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Dunaden raced home much more impressively than Americain in the Caulfield Cup.His weight is just right for a horse of his quality. In the early to mid-50s, Comic Court, Delta & Rising Fast all carried 9 st 5 lbs (59.5 kgs). Dunaden is as good as these guys I reckon.
Mosse worked really hard to bring Americain astern of Dunaden in the CC, but when it became obvious Dunaden was traveling faster, Mosse rode Americain cold to the line.
I also think Williams is the form jockey at the moment. If Americain is near the lead at the finish of the MC, then you can expect Dunaden to be there also. Williams is heaps motivated after missing the winning ride last year on Dunaden.
Looking forward to seeing Brigantin in the Geelong Cup. A French horses MC 1-2-3 finish is not out of the question at this time…..
And of course, what can Red Cadeux do this year?
October 22nd 2012 @ 3:47pm
Bondy. said | October 22nd 2012 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
Sets up for an intriguing MC what Dunaden now has against him is price, the handicapper was just doing he’s job one couldnt expect a horse to win a MC one year come back next year and win the CC and not get penalised.I tend to agree with Sheek a bit its hard to see an Australian trainer or horse featuring at the winners stall, i think this race MC could be like last years finish, can dunaden go back to back absolutely.
As it stands right now i’ll be backing americain over dunaden better price,unless something really jumps out of the ground at Geelong.
Also TVN are doing breakfast with the stars tomorrow morning from 6-8 “track gallops and chats and then over for the barrrier draw somewhere near 8.00 am I think”.
October 22nd 2012 @ 4:16pm
racingtips said | October 22nd 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
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October 22nd 2012 @ 4:23pm
GrantOz said | October 22nd 2012 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
It’s insane how the cutoff has risen so much – and it’s fantastic for the race in my opinion.
Also, picking Americain to finish ahead of Dunaden. All that horse gets is poor runs, and he’s overdue for a good line into the final turn. The extra 1kg may actually help make the switch happen.
October 22nd 2012 @ 4:24pm
Will Sinclair said | October 22nd 2012 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
History really is against Dunaden, isn’t it?
I’m probably with you Hawk – I’ll be risking him (and possibly watching the closing stages through my fingers as the gold with blue stars looms to win!).
Americain has me interested. Very interested.
October 22nd 2012 @ 4:58pm
Cambo said | October 22nd 2012 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
Tac De Boistron has got them covered at the weights the $21 is fantastic odds.
October 22nd 2012 @ 11:11pm
Oracle said | October 22nd 2012 @ 11:11pm | Report comment
The Cup winner is going around at Geelong on Wednesday , for the third year running. Brigantin is a weights moral against the mightily impressive Dunaden.
October 24th 2012 @ 12:48pm
Paul TYson said | October 24th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
I am not interested in horse racing, though my father owned a racehorse, Red Handed, and it won a Melbourse Cup. The smartest thing he did was never to own another racehorse. Owning race horses is the best way to become a millionaire, if you start off with $10 million.
Betting on racehorse is just as bad, it’s the mug’s game of mug’s games. They ought to raise a statue to the “MUG PUNTER’ at every major racecouse.
I have been reading of late about an extraordinary racehorse called ‘DUNADEN’, one of the greatest stayers in the world according to the “experts” in Australia. But I have been amazed at what I have discovered. The truth is that Dunaden is a very average European stayer as is Americain by the way. If you doubt what I say go and watch a You Tube video of the 2011 Prix Kergorlay, 3000m Group 2 race in France for around $100,000. Dunaden finishes 9th in a field of 13. Then her connections discovered the Australian racing scene with it massive purses and a month or so later, hey presto, a champion was born.
October 25th 2012 @ 8:39am
Greg said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
Paul TYson.
Your discovery about Dunaden is out of date mate. “…Dunaden is a very average European stayer…”. That might have been right 18 months ago, he WAS a very fresh inexperienced stayer at that time starting his career. In fact he IS now a very good, perhaps great, stayer. He obviously thrives in our wide brown land; he just lumped 58kgs to win our 2nd best handicap staying test, running his last 600m like a sprinter would, and won the MC last year.
Give the horse some respect, lest others think of you as a troll (perhaps you are).
I agree generally with your dislike of gambling, it is a mug’s game; but I love horses and horse racing.
October 25th 2012 @ 7:32pm
Justin Cinque said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:32pm | Report comment
Can I just add to what Greg wrote and say that the Prix Kergolay last year was run at an absolute walk and Dunaden was completely unsuited by the way the race was run.
Paul Tyson, if you did your form well you would’ve realised the horse that won the 2011 Kergolay, Jukebox Jury, got beat a mile in the Melbourne Cup.
November 4th 2012 @ 12:48am
Darren Sovereign said | November 4th 2012 @ 12:48am | Report comment
I think Dunaden has been given a good horses weight (Inc the 1kg penalty) because he is a good horse. I think age will beat Americain as it’s been a very long time since an 8 year old won the Cup (in fact there has only been 2) and neither had to beat a dual CC / MC winner.