The Wallabies and the All Blacks each blow a miracle win
By Spiro Zavos, 22 Oct 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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So there the Wallabies were, near enough to the All Blacks 22 after a series of hit-up rucks and time up with the score level 18 – 18 against the all-conquering All Blacks. What do they do?
Another hit-up and get penalised.
Why oh why didn’t they use some phases before setting up for a drop goal? Especially as referee Craig Joubert had called out during these last hit-ups, “no sealing off!”
This was the warning that referee Wayne Barnes gave to the Springboks at Blomfontein a couple of years ago when they were protecting a lead against the Wallabies with time up.
It’s history now that the Springboks were penalised (as the Wallabies were at Brisbane) and Kurtley Beale kicked a long-range penalty (as he did at half-time on Saturday night) to win the Test.
But apparently the Wallabies wanted to force an easy penalty shot. They should have remembered that Joubert (correctly) is reluctant to award penalties in the last part of a match to sides who go deliberately seeking them if the defending side makes sure it doesn’t offend. He is not going to find a penalty, in other words.
This was his approach in the final of Rugby World Cup 2011 during those last dramatic 20 minutes when the French hit the ball up, like the Wallabies, without trying to make positive plays but in the hope of getting a penalty.
And this point must be asserted, Joubert was equally fair with his whistle when the All Blacks made their final desperate assault on the Wallabies in the 84th minute of the Test.
Like the All Blacks only minutes previously, the Wallabies were as disciplined as the All Blacks in their defensive stand. The All Blacks were forced to go for a deciding drop goal which was missed by an out-of-sorts Dan Carter.
After the match, a laconic Robbie Deans made the point, “to keep that All Blacks side try-less is impressive.”
Quite right. This is the first time, apparently, in over 100 Tests that the All Blacks have not scored a try.
They had several chances, notably Aaron Smith’s failed attempt to plant the ball on the base of the posts, Richie McCaw’s charge to the line after catching an errant Wallaby 5m lineout throw, and Hosea Gear’s trouch-down after Mike Harris just (and perhaps not) touched down a tricky rolling ball for the Wallaby try line.
The defence of the Wallabies was terrific. It gave the lie to Quade Cooper’s insulting comments (that have been given credence by anti-Deans rugby journalists) about a ‘toxic environment’ in the Wallabies.
Teams that are split and at odds with themselves and their coaches do not defend like the Wallabies at Suncorp.
Nor do they play with the spirit and courage that was able to unsettle one of rugby’s great teams.
Here we should give credit to the All Blacks for calling for a scrum with time up after they were given a penalty near their 22. McCaw decided he wanted to give his side one last crack at winning the Test, despite the fact that they were deep inside their own territory.
Another captain of any other team than the All Blacks might have, would have (I reckon), thought that his team had effectively got out of jail with the 18 – 18 scoreline. The All Blacks were clearly stuffed. Sweat was pouring from them. It was still incredibly hot and the ball was as difficult to hold as slippery soap.
The pack had conceded several scrum penalties to a Wallaby pack which, under the coaching of Andrew Blades, is now as strong in the scrum as any other pack in world rugby. A penalty against the All Blacks or even a short-arm penalty would have given the Test to the Wallabies.
Nathan Sharpe made the appropriate comment on McCaw’s brave decision:
“Credit to the All Blacks, they could have kicked the ball but they had a crack and that was great.”
It certainly was. The All Blacks came very close to pulling off a miracle victory. The fact they tried adds to their legend.
Despite the absence of a try scored, that no fewer than 12 penalty goals were kicked and both sides made many, many mistakes, this was a tremendously thrilling Test. The point of the penalties is that they punished ill-disciplined and technically poor play.
The huge crowd of 51,808 (who said rugby is in the doldrums?) roared and roared as the two teams went at each other hammer and tongs for the entire 84 minutes of play.
What people need to remember is that rugby union is not a neat rhymed couplet game like rugby league. It is complex, disorderly, full of anarchy with surprising twists and turns, a blank verse game like Australian Football.
There was the continual suspense of wondering whether the Wallabies resolve would somehow, finally crumble. Then towards the end of the Test there was the possibility of three different endings, a draw, a Wallaby win (most likely at the 80 minute mark) or an All Blacks win (likely at the 84th minute mark).
Back in 1988, also at Brisbane’s Ballymore, the Wallabies drew 19 – 19 with Wayne Shelford’s wonderful All Blacks side, which was unbeaten between 1987 to 1990, in front of 24,000 spectators. A year later that Wallaby side lost to the British and Irish Lions two Tests to one.
I reckon that, despite what happens on the Spring Tour of Europe which starts in a couple of weeks’ time, this latest draw with a mighty All Blacks side has set the Wallabies up for a successful Test series next year against the Lions.
Some rugby writers have talked about the Wallabies being a third-string side due to the huge number of injuries suffered in the squad. But this famous Suncorp draw has changed the perception of the rankings of any number of players.
James O’Connor, Digby Ioane, Will Genia and James Horwill are certain to be restored to the starting squad, when they are fit enough and if Genia stops playing silly-buggers and signs up on the generous contract the ARU are offering him.
Horwill will replace Sharpe. O’Connor and Ioane will probably play on the wing, with O’Connor being the back-up fly half.
David Pocock? In my opinion, he shouldn’t replace Michael Hooper, who Eddie Jones suggests will be a 70 to 80 Test Wallaby. I agree.
Hooper, incidentally, showed the All Blacks that they have to move McCaw (after his sabbatical) to number 6 to play the Jerome Kaino game New Zealand missed and make Sam Cane a starter to give more speed to the pack.
Pocock should probably follow McCaw to number 6, with Wycliff Palu and Scott Higginbotham vying for the number 8 position.
Incidentally, Higginbotham’s sly, Cooper-like kneeing of McCaw and his subsequent head-butt should have been spotted by the assistant referee as it was right by the sideline. Higginbotham deserved a red card for the incident in which McCaw (ironically) was the player who was penalised.
There is no room right now in the Wallaby squad, in my opinion, for Cooper. Even if he finally deigns to sign a contract with the ARU (after refusing to sign for four months a contract that was par with his previous extremely large contract), Cooper’s role at fly half for the Wallabies has been lost to Beale, who was terrific except for the missing drop goal play, and O’Connor.
It’s been said facetiously, I guess, that a draw in any sports contest is a bit like kissing your sister. It depends on who the draw was against. This draw, for the Wallabies, was more like kissing a hitherto unattainable female goddess.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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October 22nd 2012 @ 6:52am
jus de couchon said | October 22nd 2012 @ 6:52am | Report comment
For a trieless game it was a great watch for a neutral. Rugby is in rude health.
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:32am
Not Inerterested said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Sorry, but the stop start, penalty riddened bore fest nearly sent me to sleep, even with the close finish.
It may have excited you but if this is considered a good game it’s lost me as a viewer.
October 22nd 2012 @ 4:11pm
Dan said | October 22nd 2012 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
Doesn’t sound like you ever were one…
I watched it with a friend who’s a one-eyed league man and he gave much the same sentiments as you, but in spite of some frustrating decisions by the Wallabies (they really needed to just have a crack at goal at the end), it was a great game to watch if you’re actually a rugby fan.
October 22nd 2012 @ 5:32pm
Mike said | October 22nd 2012 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
Yep. Leaguies are actually the same. State of Origin matches are justifiably considered one of their greatest drawcards, and they are almost always low-scoring games. its just what happens when you get two teams who are very close to each other in ability and intensity.
October 22nd 2012 @ 6:13pm
Nigel Imrie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 6:13pm | Report comment
Obviousl;y not a rugby man, that was a classic game of chess!!
October 22nd 2012 @ 1:17pm
Jokerman said | October 22nd 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Nice article, spiro. I couldn’t sleep after the game. Just that record that really bugged me. A draw would have been ok if it wasn’t for that record. I thought a draw would keep it going…but no.
This will pain the All Blacks. After a loss, there is a bit of complacency removed, some angst forced to the top to be evaporated, and a newness can emerge…like life, you have to always evolve, sometimes you can cruise, but you have to keep evolving, as the All Blacks found out.
Robbie Deans said with a big smile he was looking at his notes when the violence was inflicted on McCaw. Israel Dagg said the Australian players were strutting around as if they had won. I will say the cockiness bugs, hurts a little, but there is a positive here, as it eventually back fires for the individuals and team that do this behavior (Quade Cooper an obvious example.)….and it just sits brewing, with a real amount of steel in the All Blacks soul…and that attracts. The last 3 times the Australians have beaten the All Blacks, they have became cocky and were thumped in the following game against the All Blacks. There is a gap for the next game between the two countries…but I expect pattern to continue. I can’t wait.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:15pm
Steve said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:15pm | Report comment
Of course it will pain the AB’s, but if the Wallabies can’t win at home against a team clearly way below their best, where can they win. If its true that the Wallabies were strutting around as if they had won it sounds like they are setting their expectaions low, whereas the AB’s will take it as a lesson learnt for their Northern tour.
October 23rd 2012 @ 9:40am
Mike said | October 23rd 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Where did you get the idea that “the Wallabies were strutting around as if they had won”? Wishful thinking, perhaps?
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:05am
Hopperdoggy said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:05am | Report comment
The developing battle between Hooper and Pocock for the 7 jersey has me intrigued.
Remarkably similar to the Phil Waugh versus George Smith battle which filled up a goodly portion of the Wallabies’ last “golden era”. Would that we had that problem across 15 jerseys.
Having said that – being forced to blood so many youngsters is ironically the most effective way to achieve that very sort of competition for a place in the team. This in turn will reinvigorate a passion for wearing the gold jersey, if there is any doubt about the passion after Saturdays game.
Leaves very little room for those who aspire to the “yellow jersey” indeed!
October 22nd 2012 @ 2:43pm
Mike said | October 22nd 2012 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
HD, my thoughts exactly. The Hooper/Pocock thing has the potential to be Smith/Waugh all over again – and that’s a very healthy thing for Australian rugby IMO.
October 22nd 2012 @ 3:48pm
Larry said | October 22nd 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
except that Hooper is not hugely overrated like waugh was
October 22nd 2012 @ 6:15pm
Nigel Imrie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
Pocock wins more ball than Hooper!!
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:07am
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:07am | Report comment
All kudos for the Wallabies’s gutsy effort against the All Blacks on Saturday night. As Spiro’s ‘headline’ states, both sides had a ‘chance’ to pull off a win, especially the home team . I refer to them camping around and within the All Blacks 22metres for what seemed like an eternity (in the last 8 to 10 mins of normal time). A drop goal attempt was the obvious set up for them to choose. THEN the penalty with time up on the clock, McCaw chosing a scrum and running it out. “Next stoppage of play and it’s all over rover” …………. then the All Blacks on pr outside the OZ’s 22m, Carter setting himself for a droppy and MISSING
…… c’est la vie. BUT one goes back to (a) Andrew Mehrtens’s miss in extra time in the 1995 Suzy-The-Waitress RWC Final (b) Carter’s exhaustive Drop Goal practice in the weeks leading into the Eden Park RWC final…………………………… and then the miss? …………………. we (the All Blacks) move on ; bit of a ,mess of a test match – C’EST LA VIE
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:07am
M.O.C. said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:07am | Report comment
My main annoyance in this game was the lack of refereeing consistency. The most dramatic example was after the 80th minute with the ABs trying to work their way upfield for one last time, The WBs made multiple deliberate infringements at the ruck, knowing that the ABs were out of penalty-kick range and could not kick for touch (as this would signal the end of the game). The ref was reluctant to sin-bin any WB players for this (particularly disappointing as he had set the precedent for this earlier in the game). Just because it is at the end of a game does not mean that the rules should suddenly go out the window.
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:29am
KevKom said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
While Joubert is a v good referee, I think he had a poor game. Seemed to off the pace, missed a lot and was inconsistent .
October 22nd 2012 @ 8:31am
cinematic said | October 22nd 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Unfortunately he appears to be falling in love with his whistle as so many promising refs have done.
It’s frustrating when a penalty interrupts the flow of the game for no net benefit. I estimate that if roughly 1/2 of the penalties hadn’t been given we’d have ended up with a better game and neither side would have been disadvantaged.
October 22nd 2012 @ 8:47am
M.O.C. said | October 22nd 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Until penalties were really required such as at the end of the game, but that is when the pea blew out of his whistle.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:04am
rl said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
I wouldn’t have minded so much if he’d actually gone in hard early and handed out yellow cards to several from each side. Possibly would have opened the game up a little, plus given the lads the strongest possible sign to keep it tidy.
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:13am
Red Kev said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
I am astonished at your ability to take anything and everything and cite is as proof for what you already think regardless of facts.
Beale was ABYSMAL at flyhalf. Dropped balls, forward passes, kicks out on the full, running across field and taking up space instead of creating it, he created zero linebreaks with his passing, made one (beating a man on the outside) that he subsequently grubber kicked away. Spilling the ball cold 10m out from the posts dead in the centre of the field is unforgiveable. And let’s not forget at least three if not five phases of the ball on the 20m line and between the 15m lineout marks and he didn’t call for the ball to try and win the game with a drop kick.
Next you’ll be nominating TPN for man of the match.
I am similarly astonished that you blame Genia for the contracting issues when everyone with functioning synapses can see the problems with the ARU contracting process and the hassles it has caused the past two years.
I certainly hope you don’t get paid for these articles.
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:20am
M.O.C. said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:20am | Report comment
Certainly agree with Beale taking up space rather than creating it. When either playing at fullback or 5/8 he tends to run diagonally towards the sideline, running his outside men into a bottleneck before randomly selecting the kick/pass/fumble option.
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:00am
BetterRedThanDead said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Beale added little value at 10. And Eddie Jones had the temerity to call a comparison between he and Carter – what a joke. Beale’s great strength is as an elusive runner. He is not a visionary (like Carter), is not a playmaker (like Carter) and is no defender (like Carter). I would even doubt his physical courage, with some noted poor kicking options seeming to indicate his lack of willingness to take a tackle.
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:04am
Red Kev said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Actually Beale tackled really well in that match, it was the only facet of his play that was international standard. The rest of your comment is on the money.
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:19am
Jutsie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
He tackled well and he also kicked well in general play (apart from the out on the full) and for the restarts. He gets alot more distance and accuracy in his general play kicking than barnes or cooper, his kicks usually go near the sidelines as opposed to down the centre like those two and his restarts were excellent.
Spiro shouldnt have mentioned QC again, its been done to death and theres no more to be said on the matter (other than it seems he and the ARU have reached an agreement) but why do you guys have to be so negative towards beale just because ur QC fans?
are you wallaby fans first or QC fans first?
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:28am
Red Kev said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
I am a RUGBY fan first. That’s why I appreciate seeing McCaw play despite the fact he’s offside slowing the ball down more often than he’s legally contesting a breakdown. It’s also why I enjoyed watching Wilkinson slot the field goal in 2003. I enjoy watching good rugby, and no-one in Australia produces a better rugby spectacle than Quade Cooper.
I’m harsh on Beale because I am disgusted at the press, the fanboys and the mass of shallow posters here hailing him as the best Wallaby 10 and giving him a free pass for genuinely poor play. He wasn’t good in Rosario, he was really bad in Brisbane, and people are singing his praises as a messiah. Beale has performed worse at 10 than Cooper has, yet Quade is vilified and Kurtley is deified. The double-standard sickens me.
Yes Beale has a superior boot to Cooper, that’s a weapon from fullback that would be well utilised. Beale’s best football has all been from 15. Cooper is coming back from a knee reconstruction, it takes over 12 months for the leg to regain full power according to AFL players (and they know kicking) so I wouldn’t expect his kicking game to be back to the quality it was in 2011.
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:39am
Jutsie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Mate people could easily point out the double standards in your own posts. Your quick to rush to QC’s defence whenever other posters or journos pick apart the numerous flaws in his game (and believe me there are many) yet you are doing the same to beale.
In the end they our both young blokes with a special talent who have a few flaws in their games that will hopefully be ironed out with age and maturity.
I never bagged quade and always pointed out the positives in his performances till he shat all over the team i barrack for, at least beale wants to represent this team and gives his all whenever he pulls the GOLD jersey on.
October 23rd 2012 @ 6:19am
mick-e said | October 23rd 2012 @ 6:19am | Report comment
Justie-
Dont know which Beale you were watching but it wasnt the one I was. Beale’s tactical kicking was poor-right down the throat of Dagg and other ABs a number of times, which on other occassions would have proved fatal.
I would also dispute Georgina Robinson’s (SMH) claim that Beale does these fantastic high drop restarts that hang and hang for the jumpers to get under. How many restarts do we win from Beales drop offs? Hardly any actually and yet we have good jumpers in Sharpe, Higginbotham and Dennis.
Carter does great high, hanging drop offs but Beale-ah no. Spiro was a great Quade Cooper fan a few weeks ago. Now Beale is the new Zeus. But I am going to be a bit more consisent and suggest I still dont think the Wallabies have a credible international pivot.
October 23rd 2012 @ 10:27am
Mike said | October 23rd 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
I thought Beale’s kicking was quite good on Saturday night. More to the point, the chase was there. Any kicker looks bad if there is no chase, and most kickers look at least reasonable if their team mates back up their kicks.
Of course there were a couple of bad ones – there were also for the ABs. That is what happens when the pressure is on.
Our worst was the aimless box kick in second half – was that Beale?
October 22nd 2012 @ 6:22pm
Nigel Imrie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
Beale is not in the same league as Carter, in NZ they value specialist players, not so over here, look at Reid, he is atrue 8 and look at the benfits….don’t get too carried away Aussie the ABs had a night off, they were off their game that is why we got close that’s all, don’t take Eddie Jones too seriously, he employed Wendell Sailor as a rugby winger….what a coke sorry joke!!
October 22nd 2012 @ 8:22am
Justin2 said | October 22nd 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Agree 100% RK, some quite staggering statements from Spiro this morning and those two were just doozies….
October 22nd 2012 @ 8:50am
stillatragic said | October 22nd 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Same. Spiro is looking through his anti-Cooper glasses again. Beale was adequate mostly, but put his team under immense pressure at times, and could have lost us the match. And who is responsible for calling for a drop goal if not the fly-half?
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:44am
Jutsie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Beale has already put his hand up to say he it was his fault that the drop goal wasnt taken earlier.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby-gold/kurtley-beale-admits-he-should-have-gone-for-goal/story-fn8tk0tu-1226500239874
See beale can admit when he has stuffed up unlike his mate who always looks to blame others.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:02am
Red Kev said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Yes he’s great at taking responsibility … how is that court case with the bouncer going?
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:07am
Jutsie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
Not sure mate its gone pretty quiet, he must have the same legal team that represented QC during his B&E case.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:12am
M.O.C. said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
HA!
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:16am
Harry said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Lets keep it on the field RK … though extreme, your criticism of Beale is well warranted.
He made a few massive mistakes – he’s already fessed up to one, not calling for the droppie after 80- minutes, and you can add on a few really poor kicks, particularly at the start of the second half when he lobbed it out on the full … as you say, is that had been the Quadester, there would have been massive bellows.Thought he went missing when the games was there for the taking and he doesn;t have QC’s passing ability. IMO still a better 15 than 10, but perfectly capable of playing at 10 for the Wallabies.
IF Quade sings up with the ARU (hope they cut his contract and/or fine him after the ill-advised and poorly executed brinkmanship of the last month) then Australian rugby will immensely benefit from having, in effect, two, or hopefully three halves combinations to pick from (assuming Beale will play at 10 for the Rebs) – Genia/Cooper, Phipps/Beale and the much hyped thought completely untested at international level White/Leoliifani .
Something to look forward to.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:25am
Justin2 said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Harry I believe the best thing the ARU can do if Cooper does sign is announce along with the terms what ever his penalty is. Also announce to all and sundry that this is Cooper last chance. Shape up or ship out.
There is no question that there are a few up starts in the team. They need to pull their heads in ASAP but I also lay blame at the feet of those in charge in the admin and coaching ranks for letting get to this point. Thats poor leadership from men with great experience.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:30am
Red Kev said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
Good point J2 – and since Sharpe took over the captaincy there has been a noticeable change in attitude from the Wallabies. I get the feeling Sharpe has in fact told them all to pull their heads in. Now he’s captain he has the clout to do it, whereas before despite being a senior Wallaby his standing was undermined by the fact that everyone knew the Deans had been trying to drop him from the side for the last three years.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:59am
Harry said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
Think we are all in agreement J2 and RK.
Spiro’s sparring partner, the generally reliable Wayne Smith, writes today that this seems the likely outcome (QC re-signing with a cut and/or fine, and some strict warnings that he’s deep in credit, and needs to earn his teamates and coaches trust before he gets back into the Walls)
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:10am
Shungmao said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Good on him for calling it out but to be honest Justie he had too, it was so obvious he should of made the call and didn’t . What I will say is that if Deans holds the same standard he would of called Beale out on this as he did with Cooper.
It’s history now so bring on the NH tour.
October 22nd 2012 @ 6:26pm
Nigel Imrie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
Who cares, the decision wasn’t taken on the field, different forces are in play when on the field as compared to hind sight, his fault what a load of rubbish, it’s over bro!
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:55am
Shungmao said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Totally agree Red Kev , the Beale obsession is strange but we Wallaby supporters are so desperate for good news we want to cling to anyone that has showed promise and find scapegoats to blame for our woes. Kurtley is not an international 10 but he is a world class 15 ( who can’t catch above his head lol).
A international 10 takes that field goal chance (doesn’t necessarily get it but calls for the ball), they have gonads to do so, they command the game…. Kurtley doesn’t have this key quality in my opinion.
October 22nd 2012 @ 11:09am
RedAnt said | October 22nd 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
Agree with most of that, RedKev. Would also add I don’t think JOC is anywhere near a Test flyhalf and I don’t understand why certain journalists keep touting him as one. And while I’m at it, could we please move McCabe to outside centre (or further out) and bring Taps to inside? I like McCabe, but I really dislike him at 2nd 5.
October 22nd 2012 @ 6:31pm
Jiggles said | October 22nd 2012 @ 6:31pm | Report comment
Passionate, but I agree RK.
Beale is playing like Giteau did for the last 2 seasons. He is looking to see how he can beat the line first with ball in hand rather than looking for his runners and their lines. He is crabbing sideways at a rate of knots which is pushing McCabe (Already pretty limited in tight) and the rest into the touch line. His kicking game was good at moments on Saturday, but he also had some shockers. Particularly his short game.
JOC isn’t the answer either. He has similar issues trying to always beat the line first before setting up his runners. He is a little more direct and doesn’t try to run the wide looping runs out-wide, more subtle steps. some times the best thing a 10 can do is just shovel it along to a payer running a more direct line.
The fact is that we just don’t have a ball player like Cooper in Australia. No one is even close to him.
Lilo showed some good traits in a few games, but realistically he was only fit for 6 games, and he hasn’t really done much before this season. He is 26 next year, So there have to be some question marks about his ability to maintain form.
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:47pm
Markus said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:47pm | Report comment
He’s shown plenty in previous seasons too, albeit not as complete as the performances he showed this year.
Getting injured at inopportune times has also been a habit of his for several seasons now, though fortunately most were freak injuries as opposed to recurring ones.
October 22nd 2012 @ 11:03pm
Rugby Tragic said | October 22nd 2012 @ 11:03pm | Report comment
Jiggles, the guy who is IMO going to hold down the flyhalf’s job given half a chance based on his early season form before injuries is Christian Leafiilano.
He like Johan Goosen in SA and Beaden Barratt in NZ are the future (with respect to Carter who, while not having a good game Saturday is head and shoulders above the chasing pack…) bring it on!
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:02am
Rob from Brumby Country said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:02am | Report comment
Lilo has been turning in good performances for the Brumbies for a number of years, Jiggles. True, he’s only just recently been able to step out of the shadows cast by Larkham and Giteau, but even when he was filling the gaps as a replacement he was having an impact. He’s got a killer dummy, and I can remember a couple of matches where it was the difference between a win and a loss.
Is he a Test flyhalf? Hmmm. Personally, I don’t think his age is an issue. His injuries are more of a concern, but as Markus noted, there’s nothing recurring there except terrible luck. His success as a flyhalf has largely been built on the Brumbies’ willingness to run a flat backline and Lealiifano’s preference to pass rather than kick. His defending is competent. His kicking game is not so good.
I suppose you’d have to say that his major strengths are putting players into gaps. This includes himself. He’s a crafty ball-carrier with a penchant for backing himself and gliding between defenders like the ghost of a certain former Brumbies flyhalf. He does this most effectively when he has LESS space, so he is a better fit for 10 than 12 – at least as a runner.
I’m not sure how well he would transfer his abilities to Test Rugby, however. Like Quade found out, internationals are a completely different kettle of fish to Super Rugby. A lot of stuff that works at provincial level is more closely guarded against by competent adversaries. Weaknesses are fewer. Opponents are grittier. It is a big step up.
But there’s really only one way to find out. The kid’s got talent, give him a few bites at the apple and see what happens.
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:26am
Bazza all black supporter said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:26am | Report comment
Good article spiro, lots to think about.
Enjoyed particularly comments about jourbet, the best refin the world. Bloody frustrating game but the ozzies forwards played very well.
All the injuries allowed some good talent to be blooded but makes me wonder why this was forced rather than planned.
As to player management in Ozzie, it reminds me of my own division at work, no matter the talent of an individual if they are disruptive, they have to go , and just make sure you have talent coming through all the time.
With cooper, if he won’t listen o senior players or the coach, cut him loose as an example – no one is ever bigger than the team and its culture.
October 22nd 2012 @ 8:32pm
Peter from Brissy said | October 22nd 2012 @ 8:32pm | Report comment
I agree Bazza, make an example of Cooper and ban him from playing for the Wallabies for a year. As my english mates would say” for the encouragement of the others”. Comments such as Coopers devalue the Wallaby jersey; make them sound like spoilt school boys who are used to getting their own way.
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:28am
Allanthus said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:28am | Report comment
Terrific finish to what had been a frustrating match spoiled yet again by way too many handling errors from both sides.
Draw definitely the right result on the night and as frustrating as it would have been for the Wallabies to come so close, they will reflect this week on that being fair return for all their spirit and endeavour, particularly on defence, which hey have shown all season.
Hopefully the northern tour will be used to try to develop more fluidity and variation in attack.
It is good that the match wasn’t decided by a cheap penalty but if what Spiro says is correct then I have difficulty with Joubert changing tack with interpretations just because it is the last 5 minutes or so. He was penal on breakdown penalties all game, just as he was in the previous match, then to shift focus to the attacking team and not the defence at the end doesn’t make a lot of sense.
That said, Kepu’s penalty for flopping in was plain stupid and the AB’s did keep their cool under extreme pressure and did not infringe. When they got to the other end, the Wallabies were a little more shaky – Sheehan twice came into an offside position but the ball went the other way. But given France in 2007 the AB’s were always going to set up for the dropkick rather than keep grinding.
Meanwhile it’s party time in Lithuania….
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:49am
Rusty said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:49am | Report comment
“Meanwhile it’s party time in Lithuania….” classic
October 22nd 2012 @ 8:24am
cinematic said | October 22nd 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Kepu was just copying what had been done the previous 10 phases.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:33am
rl said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
that’s a fair comment. Kepu shouldn’t be singled out, more why did Joubert suddenly decide it warranted a penalty at that time?
October 22nd 2012 @ 11:00am
mikeylives said | October 22nd 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
The last few phases started on their feet – driving into the ABs. Kepu just flopped on the ball and didn’t drive into anyone.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:00am
rl said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
Allanthus, perhaps the next generation of Lithuanian rugby players will be sharing birthdays in August!!
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:32am
Red Block said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
It is hard to see how an experienced rugby writer could not identify that the best Wallaby XV would include Genia, Cooper, Beale, JOC, Ionae and now Tapuai. This is a basis around which a side that scores tries can construct a series of phases to threaten any defensive structure. Yes there is depth and experience for these positions but these players are class above at the moment.
It has been obvious through the RC that the WBs have struggled to threaten defences, so why ostracise Quade when he can add to the finished product?
BTW. Have to agree Red Kev the sooner the ARU work out its contract system the better. The current system is obviously not working with Quade and Genia yet to resign months after resigning with the Reds.
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:52am
Red Kev said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
Heard on Fox that Genia had agreed to terms and will sign this week; and read in The Australian that Cooper will sign when his code of conduct violation punishment is handed down (apparently there is a push for a hefty fine instead of suspension).
But the system is still a shambles.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:28am
jameswm said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
The one you’ve all forgotten is Leali’ifano. If he gets back to 2012 form next year, he has to be picked. He was by far our best 10/12 when fit earlier this season.
October 22nd 2012 @ 11:02am
Harry said | October 22nd 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
More than a bit of hyperbole there but for sure Leoliifano was the form Australian 10 for the 1st half of the super season. Hopefully he can come back fit and strong for the start of next season – a certain Qld based 10 showed that doing this isn’t straightforward..
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:58am
soapit said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
one play typified the increase in intensity and application for this game.
cummins made a run close to the sideline and engaged the tackler. looked for all money hed be forced out but he just decided i am not going to let this guy get the better of me and he kept driving forward and inward and eventually made some good metres and stayed in. just the mindset to decide u refuse to be dominated in the tackle. first time this year and made a huge difference across the park.
October 22nd 2012 @ 11:02am
mikeylives said | October 22nd 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Agree. Cummins smashing Dagg in the first half also sent a message – if you want to attack flat and bring it to the line, you will get crunched. No doubt that hit played mind games with them for the following 60 minutes.
Douglas cleaning out AB forwards was a similar moment of determination that lifts the team.
Quality stuff.
October 22nd 2012 @ 6:15pm
Tisso Time said | October 22nd 2012 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
But why do they not do this consistently? Its as if they are gun shy until they are desperate. Is it because they lack determination, character, desire or is a slack attitude?
October 22nd 2012 @ 7:11pm
mikeylives said | October 22nd 2012 @ 7:11pm | Report comment
It’s because Cummins and Douglas have barely played for the Wallabies. Fresh enthusiasm and a few guys with a harder attitude will always rub off on the team.
October 22nd 2012 @ 10:05pm
soapit said | October 22nd 2012 @ 10:05pm | Report comment
well one thing i know from reading the roar its definitely not the coaches job.
October 23rd 2012 @ 9:06am
Mike said | October 23rd 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Tisso, have a look at the S15 results and you will get an inkling why. I don’t mean just the bright spots like the Reds win last year, but overall: Australian teams tend to finish in the bottom half of the table. This is symptomatic of Australia’s failure to really embrace and accept the implications of professionalism at all levels, whereas the kiwis are way ahead of us.
October 22nd 2012 @ 11:11am
Jutsie said | October 22nd 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
I loved that bit of play, how often have we seen our winger bundled out of touch in similar circumstances.
If the wb’s could bring the same level of aggression/commitment/determination or whatever you call it, to every test I would be happy regardless of what the results were.
October 22nd 2012 @ 12:50pm
soapit said | October 22nd 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
wrt your second sentence totally agree. thats what people have not been understanding about the criticism this year. its not even hugely about the result as such. it the spirit and focus that should be a part of representing your country.
October 22nd 2012 @ 8:06am
stillmissit said | October 22nd 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
What I want to know is what went wrong in that amazingly stuffed up lineout on the AB’s line. I don’t think I have seen a super team let alone the Wallabies just not jump at all in that situation. On several occasions I said to the obeyed one that the Wallabies have started running around like headless chooks prior to the ball going in. Keep is simple stupid and if you have headless moves have just 2 of the bastard things and practice them until you can do them in your sleep!
October 22nd 2012 @ 9:46am
Shep said | October 22nd 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Deans made three changes to the forwards just as that lineout was set, but still, why would you risk the contest of possession.
Just fake jumpers and throw over the back to a midfeilder taking advantage of the 5m differential between the backlines.
At a guess it looked like TPN just got it completely wrong.