How big can the Wanderers become?
By Tony Tannous, 23 Oct 2012 Tony Tannous is a Roar Expert
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Yes, they might be short of a final coat of lacquer and be sitting at the bottom of the table, but if the early signs are anything to go by, the A-League’s newest club, the Western Sydney Wanderers, could be anything.
Indeed, while it’s still early days and the club is still trying to get the foundations in place, a process that will take a couple of years, it’s tempting to think they could one day rival the Melbourne Victory for the title of Australia’s biggest club.
It’s a big call, but the early evidence is that there is genuine passion and support for the club, and knowledge about the game.
If there is one thing that resonated at the fan forums that followed the announcement of the new club, it’s that the people of Sydney’s west are proud of their roots and want a club that embodies the values they like to live by daily.
They include hard work, honesty, respect and aspiration, and you can already see a few of these traits in the way Tony Popovic and his men have gone about their early work.
“Pride in the west” is an often used description, but there is evidence everywhere you look.
One sign is that the fans appear to have instantly bought in to the club, purchasing and displaying their colours in incredible numbers.
That was evident even at the first game, against the Mariners, where the red-and-black hoops sold out well before kick-off.
Again, at the derby on Saturday, the demand was greater than the availability.
Meanwhile, retail outlets like Rebel Sports have been struggling to keep up, across the west.
And it’s not just the fans donning their colours which tells the tale.
Walk around Parramatta Stadium on game-day any you see four digits on the back of a number of the fans shirts.
“2770″ was just one I spotted on Saturday. It represents the postcode of Mt Druitt.
Other strips don the name of the suburb the fan is from. Two I saw on Saturday featured “Baulkham Hills” and “Blacktown”.
They were worn like badges of honour. Tribalism at its best.
Another sign of the buy-in was the early clamour to sign up for foundation membership, and in lead up the derby it was reported the number of members has gone over 4000.
While the shirts and numbers are one thing, it’s the passion with which the fans have jumped on board that tells the other story about the engagement.
Leading the way have been the Red and Black Bloc, who, like any modern footballer, are all about movement, for the full 90 minutes.
Even in the pre-season friendly against Parramatta FC, where just over 1000 fans showed up, the RBB were non-stop for the entire match.
They’ve even introduced a couple of interesting routines, including the Poznan and one where the entire section goes berserk, bouncing about off each other.
While the focus in most parts has been on the early results and the lack of a goal, the fans have been a little more understanding, recognising that their team has been more than competitive.
Indeed, in both home games Popovic’s men have managed to control large parts, thanks mainly to a compact structure and well organised forward transition.
Against the Mariners they managed to stifle Tom Rogic, allowing very little room between the midfield and defensive lines, and rarely allowing the Mariners in behind.
Against their cross-town rivals they were better at getting the ball into the final third, but lacked a player who could make the difference inside the box, as Alessandro Del Piero did to win and eventually convert the penalty.
The work of the midfielder trio of Mateo Poljak, Aaron Mooy and Shinji Ono has been of a very good standard, while the back four have, apart from one moment in Adelaide, been rock-solid.
Jerome Polenz even surpassed Mooy and Del Piero as man of the match on Saturday.
Once Popovic finds a solution or two in the final third, which may involve giving Joey Gibbs an opportunity, and maybe playing Mooy higher, things should improve.
It’s early days, but you can already see the base is there, with much potential.
In many ways the early signs are similar to those in Melbourne in 2005/06, where the Victory built some incredible momentum and atmosphere out of Olympic Park.
Now at AAMI Park, with 18,000 odd members, they remain the benchmark.
If Lyall Gorman and his team continue to listen to their fans, and keep them at the core of everything they do, there’s no reason why they can’t aspire to be as big, one day not too far away.
This might take a decade, or more, but if things go exceptionally well, the Wanderers might be there sooner.
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October 23rd 2012 @ 6:57am
nearpost said | October 23rd 2012 @ 6:57am | Report comment
Very interesting question Tony.
The buy in has been significant and will surely only grow. All teams need some success, with the Wanderers unlikely to score many goals this year it will take some hard work to keep the fan base positive. Given they’ve already bought the shirt and turned up they probably know this.
Like the Victory in season one fans turned up even though results were poor. And you get the feeling with the colours and passion on display this club could really build quickly over the next two or three years. Bigger than Melbourne Heart? Looks possible.
Of course if the Daily Telly is on board that won’t hurt.
October 31st 2012 @ 10:10pm
Commando said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:10pm | Report comment
Tony are the Wanderers going to pick up local old boy Harry K ??????
Wanderers will go off the charts in comparison to the West Syd Giants – A waste of AFL taxpayers money
October 23rd 2012 @ 7:27am
MV Dave said | October 23rd 2012 @ 7:27am | Report comment
Geez only 3 games in and about 6 months into their existence…long way to go yet. Hopefully they can build on the early promise and become one of the stronger clubs but time will tell. On the park a solid but unspectacular start. I recall going to Olympic Park for 3 consecutive home games where MV didn’t score, never mind win. The crowds kept on coming…lets see WSW attendances when they are struggling on the park as that will be the real test.
October 23rd 2012 @ 8:18am
Punter said | October 23rd 2012 @ 8:18am | Report comment
I was there on Saturday night as a SFC fan & was duly impressed with the crowd & the amount of WSW supporters in their colors, this was very impressive for a team that just did not exist 8 months ago.
I know in time I will hate this club, but at present they are great for the A-League & I wish them all the best.
Already looking forward to the Derby in Moore park in December.
October 23rd 2012 @ 9:31am
AGO74 said | October 23rd 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
+1
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:21pm
Jupiter53 said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:21pm | Report comment
Same here!
October 23rd 2012 @ 8:24am
Titus said | October 23rd 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Could WSW be the next Harry Kewell?
October 23rd 2012 @ 9:51am
Punter said | October 23rd 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Lost me there Titus!!! Please explain!!!!
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:22am
Titus said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Just making fun of footballs ability to over hype things and place too much expectations on players, or in this case a team, that is yet to do anything.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves, yes they had a good home-end but without the presense of SFC and Marinors fans they would be averaging less than 10 000.
If they become the biggest club on the planet then great but as it stands the biggest club in Sydney is Sydney FC and long may it remain so.
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:40am
striker said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Titus your lucky Del piero signed or else sydney average crowd would be around the 12-13k probally less now that West Sydney are around so the 30+ crowd that Del piero has brang in, take away him and you will be back to 10k.
October 23rd 2012 @ 1:13pm
Titus said | October 23rd 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
WSW are lucky SFC brought in Del Piero also.
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:38pm
David Jones said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:38pm | Report comment
SFC average home attendances 2012 = 35K, 2nd last on table
Sydney Swans = 27K, AFL Premiers
October 24th 2012 @ 7:11am
harry potter said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:11am | Report comment
enough with the stupid comparisons…..lets see the average attendance at the end of the season as opposed to 3 matches.
October 24th 2012 @ 9:53am
clipper said | October 24th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Don’t forget to add that the Swans had the highest attendance of any Sydney club last year and that the SCG is being redeveloped so that the capacity is reduced. It is looking good for SFC attendance though.
May 2nd 2013 @ 2:09pm
Taking Tiger Mountain said | May 2nd 2013 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
I actually see 11,000 average with highest attendance 18k
Source:
http://www.ultimatealeague.com/records.php?type=att&season=2011-12
October 23rd 2012 @ 8:55am
striker said | October 23rd 2012 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Gotta agree im talking to alot of old supporters from the NSL who are going for the Wanderers, most of them dont like Sydney FC which is a good thing for future derbies, this club is what the supporters of West Sydney have been waiting for and i think its has more potential the Melbourne Victory.
October 23rd 2012 @ 9:06am
Johnno said | October 23rd 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Bigger than Collingwood and the brisbane broncos you bet. They have had only 6 months to get ready. Give them a full off season , look out. West sydney is only a geographic area getting bigger. Is the real heartland of Aussy football not Melbourne. West sydney has produced more soccer’s than anywhere else in OZ. And such a big ethnic community where football is the no 1 sport in many of these people’s countries. Only going to get bigger.
October 23rd 2012 @ 1:52pm
Redb said | October 23rd 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
Johhno,
Bigger than Collingwood? – here’s your benchmark.
70,000 members
60,000 crowd average.
$70+ million revenue ( that’s a guess)
In 2005 when the A League started Collingwood had half that member number and a crowd average of 40,000. It has grown its crowd average by 20,000 in just 7 years.
Collingwood has been around (unfortunately ) for 100+ years but also shared that landscape with 8 other VFL clubs.
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:09pm
TC said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Redb
I think we have to be open to the prospect of the Wanderers becoming a very big club, and even one day rivalling Collingwood.
In fact, if the Wanderers could recruit the equivalent of Del Piero, Harry Kewell, Jorge Campos, Robbie Fowler and David Beckham, every year, year on year, for the next 100 years, then yes, I think it would happen.
TC
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:17pm
Kasey said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Why do you have to act like a twit TC?
If you’d have said 10 years ago that ADP would be playing in the Australian domestic competition and that a crowd of 7,000 would be considered a disappointing effort. you’d have been considered certifiable, who is to say what will happen in another 10 years?
MBV continue to grow, they can’t be too far off matching memberships and turnover of the smallest Melbourne based AFL club.
October 24th 2012 @ 6:23pm
me, I like football said | October 24th 2012 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
MVFC revenue = $13.1m
NMFC revenue = $26.0m
so about half
And I suspect MVFC membership to be less then half of the Western Bulldogs of 30k
October 24th 2012 @ 7:22pm
Breezy said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:22pm | Report comment
I’ve over-estimated MVFC. I was under the impression that they were a big deal, but the reality is they are a minnow. Big for the A League, but tiny when compared to the serious players in the Australian sporting landscape.
October 24th 2012 @ 7:42pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 24th 2012 @ 7:42pm | Report comment
Oh dear, a couple of ARFers still measuring themselves in their 6 month off-season trying to determine if “mine’s bigger than yours”?
This year with Ale in the A-League, it has highlighted just how insignificant the “carry ball (allegedly) indigenous sport” really is.
30 years in Sydney, they’ve just won the biggest ARF competition in the world … and only 7.6k kids play ARF in the whole of Sydney. Senior player numbers have halved & u18 player numbers dropped by 67%.
As those great poets from Merseyside wrote – nearly 1/2 century ago … “money can’t buy me love”!!
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:20pm
Minister for Information for the Democratic People's Republic of Football said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Jorge Campos? Yes I remember him. Why do you? He was 5 foot-nothing Mexican goalkeeper who watched a lot balls go over his head.
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:58pm
apaway said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
…and wore goalkeeping gear that made him look like a traffic light.
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:18pm
mahonjt said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
A good chunk of those “memberhips” are of the 3-game variety – just stocking filler….
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:59pm
TC said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
That’s a myth and something AFL haters like to spread to make themselves feel good about their own low numbers.
Collingwood makes decent coin out of its memberships, it’s a significant contributor to it’s $70 million per annum turnover.
Their 5,000 legends members alone contribute around $8 million per annum – that’s 7% of their membership base.
In other words, 7% of Collingwoods membership base alone gives them revenue in one year that is far, far in excess of what other sporting clubs make from all sources of revenue.
TC
October 23rd 2012 @ 4:12pm
Redb said | October 23rd 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
The crowd average of 60,000 is not so easily dismissed by glib remarks.
October 24th 2012 @ 1:12pm
David Jones said | October 24th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
The AFL has a history of overstating their figures and aren’t to be trusted. membership and participation figures are falsely inflated.
Roy Masters has once again exposed the AFL for overstating their “participation rates” and claims of “phenominal growth of AFL in Sydney” for the AFL’s political and commercial gain.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/study-slams-afls-takeup-figures-in-west-20121023-283jn.html
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:41pm
David Jones said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:41pm | Report comment
You can even buy AFL memberships for pets and deceased relatives.
October 24th 2012 @ 9:57am
TC said | October 24th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
If it contributes to a club’s annual turnover of $70 million, good luck to them.
The 10 A-League clubs in aggregate would be lucky to have an an annual turnover $50 million.
Most would be thankful for any source of revenue, even death duties.
Two different scales of operation.
TC
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:46pm
Bondy. said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Nearly as big as some of the big european clubs .
October 23rd 2012 @ 4:27pm
pete4 said | October 23rd 2012 @ 4:27pm | Report comment
Bondy – How many of those European clubs calculate their crowd average from only 11 home games a season?
October 23rd 2012 @ 4:37pm
Bondy. said | October 23rd 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
Pete4 ,Good point I didnt realise .
October 23rd 2012 @ 4:29pm
Bondy. said | October 23rd 2012 @ 4:29pm | Report comment
What are the next four clubs like ,gates and members or just the one?.
October 23rd 2012 @ 5:04pm
Nathan of Perth said | October 23rd 2012 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
about 3/4-2/3 the size. Looking forward to seeing what the Eagles can do in 2018 with the new stadium
But I digress.
If the next stage after this of the nib redevelopment can happen soon, and if the West Coast Fever can move into the new Perth Arena and the Scorchers can move tot he new oval stadium, then in the space of 6 years we will have been able to move Perth’s sports teams from the scungiest grounds in the country to a series of absolutely top-flight facilities, which will be quite the achievement.
October 23rd 2012 @ 8:30pm
Ian Whitchurch said | October 23rd 2012 @ 8:30pm | Report comment
RedB,
Theres one constant on this site – Johnno lies. About everything, all the time. If he says its a fact, it isnt.If he says its false, its probably true.
Johnno lies. All the time. About everything.
October 24th 2012 @ 1:01am
Nathan of Perth said | October 24th 2012 @ 1:01am | Report comment
Second constant was that KPM always wants to wipe out league and will attempt to solve any problem with private ownership!
October 23rd 2012 @ 9:23am
striker said | October 23rd 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Johhno gotta agree theres a buzz about this club something Sydney FC could never generate through Sydney.
October 23rd 2012 @ 9:38am
AGO74 said | October 23rd 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
This is the best thing about West Sydney from Sydney’s perspective.
Officially Sydney FC is still marketing itself as a team for all of Sydney, but as time goes on, it is clear even with those intention that these two clubs will in the main draw a east/west line down the geographic middle of the city – for mine the border will roughly correlate with ring road 3.
October 23rd 2012 @ 10:27am
Kasey said | October 23rd 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
Good to see a Sky Blues fan with your attitude… I’m sick of reading Melbourne Blue fans with the attitude of Melbourne Red can FOAD..do they not realise the damage to the game that would occur if that happened?
The Melbourne Derby is one of the marquee games of the season and we get three of them! Now with the Sydney derby there are a whole slew of ‘must see’ games during the HAL season where it would be a great time to introduce Eurosnobs or complete newbies to the domestic product.
I have hope that the WSW can engage anybody still open to the HAL who felt dudded by the creation of the FFA and the HAL; specifically those who used to follow the NSL. The WSW could be anything, but mostly I just hope they continue to grow into a MBV sized club.
October 23rd 2012 @ 10:50am
AGO74 said | October 23rd 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Competition is good. It keeps you on your toes. Look at the way Sydney FC ran itself for the first 5/6 years. A joke to be honest. Two years ago, Sydney hosted Adelaide on a cool but clear saturday night. The only thing worse than being torn apart by Flores as we lost 3-1 was being in a stadium with 7,000 people in it. At that time, I was seriously concerned for the club’s future the way fans were dropping like flies and money was being dropped by the owners.
Sydney’s road to respectability started with Melton, but its gone to another level under Pignata’s leadership over last six months even before he signed ADP.
I can’t wait for December 15 and next derby.
October 24th 2012 @ 8:06am
Kasey said | October 24th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
I wonder if long term(10-50 years), WSW will become the big club in Sydney and the Sky Blues will be relegated to niche status?
It’s a big call to make considering the Wanderers haven’t even scored a goal yet, but we seem to be playing in the world of fantasy and dreams so why not? Sydney FC have won 2 championships and had the city to themselves in a football sense for the best part of 8 years and they are what they are. WSW has been around the tick of a clock by comparison and off field they seem to have achieved a lot in generating a wonderful buzz.
October 24th 2012 @ 2:17pm
AGO74 said | October 24th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
It’s quite probable that WSW will be the biggest long-term. If they do, I don’t think it will mean that Sydney is a niche club. I see two strong clubs aided in building their rivalry (as well as the clubs themselves) by the geographical distinction between them. This unfortunately for Melbourne Heart is a point of difference that they cannot exploit.
October 24th 2012 @ 10:33pm
Realfootball said | October 24th 2012 @ 10:33pm | Report comment
Long term? I give it 3 – 5 yearsfor the Wanderers to have a higher av attendance that Sydney FC
October 23rd 2012 @ 9:55am
Midfielder said | October 23rd 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
I have posted this kinda info before but I honestly believe if WSW can unite the various football tribes of WS they will be the biggest club of any kind in Australia…
There are many tribes and it will be a huge task….. Goram to date has done an amazing job and his decision last season to delay the season kick off until after the NRL & AFL season ended and before cricket started is bearing fruit … back to WSW so much potential…
I also had no idea the effect WSW would have on SFC and by heavens its good for football…
Just for the record…. five associations with 100, 000 registered players, nine former NSL clubs… home of over 50% of all Socceroos…
WS spilt into four general areas..
SW … Football is king daylight second… say 750, 000 people
Hills … northern WS the richest and most ANGLO part, AFL desperately want this area has no traditional team in playing teams Football by far the most played… interest across all codes with RL followed by Football followed by RU with AFL catching up very fast … say 500, 000 people
Central … follows the railway line from Parramtaa to Penrith.. RL the most dominate code for interest followed by football with others a distant away… say 750, 000 people
East of Parrmatta…. say with 5 to 7 K’s of Parrmatta there will be a fight between SFC & WSW for fans… people in towns like Ryde, Lidcombe, Eastwood in this area … as else where football has players numbers the interest would be RL , Football, AFL, RU with RL & Football well in front of the other two RU is some parts of these areas is near dead and some parts of this area it’s football only…say 250, 000 people….
Then the other mix…. football folk with a huge knowledge to those with very limited knowledge, the Euro snobs, the age old battle between some former NSL clubs and the associations …
The biggest competitor football has in WS is itself … if Gorman can find that formula so many others have tried and failed and unite the fan base … it will change the face of sport in Australia the Sydney papers are already showing this … even heard talk back radio talking up the A-League …. everyone in the media knows how huge football is in WS..
The only sad note IMO and I hate to revisit old mistakes … but if the expansion had been delayed by a year and WSW & the Gong had been the new teams we would be in a different position… however we are on our way …
October 23rd 2012 @ 10:45am
striker said | October 23rd 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Midfielder i love when the papers and talk back radio were talking the AFL-NRL war like soccer wasn’t there last year,soccer has a massive presence in sydney especially form the inner west to west suburbs of sydney, they made out like we do not exist, we have to get football people to the games like the old supporters who have decided against the A-League, no need to convert the non-soccer people as there are hundreds of thousands of sydney people who love the game before the NRL or AFL.
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:04am
Midfielder said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Striker
In SWS i.e. Liverpool, Fairfield, Likes its football with daylight second then RL… areas to the east of Parrmatta like Bankstown, Ryde, etc are huge football areas….
If Gorman can get it right within seven years this club could fill up Olympic park each match…
October 24th 2012 @ 9:47am
clipper said | October 24th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Midfielder – I always knew Ryde etc were strong football areas, but did not know that in SWS football was far ahead of league – isn’t that bulldogs territory? It is interesting the way the preferred sport changes according to the region and demographics in Sydney, much more so than other cities.
October 24th 2012 @ 10:58am
Midfielder said | October 24th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Clipper
There is no doubt RL has a huge presence and in areas around Bankstown, Lidcombe etc the Bulldogs have a huge following …..
That RL get TV viewers is no accident in these areas … however if you look at player numbers interest in overseas leagues etc you will see football has a huge presence in these areas …. Bankstown has two clubs playing in the NSW state competition, Ryde City was a state league team and so on… it’s a matter of money these teams don’t have but the interest and knowledge is huge and growing…
October 23rd 2012 @ 3:12pm
Siege of Perth said | October 23rd 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
You are crazy if you think any football club will ever overtake the top AFL clubs (not knowledgeable enough to comment on NRL). Unless Australia hosts and wins the world cup can not see the passion switching from AFL/NRL to football. 70,000 for Collingwood, 60,000 for Hawthorn, 50,000 for Richmond and thats all in the same city. That doesn’t include those who cant go to every game for various reasons and dont buy memberships. Then you got to figure in membership prices which are around 5 times more expensive but still are destroying memberships of football clubs. I love football. I’ll watch most of the A-League games every round and a few Premier League games every round but it will never overtake AFL for me, or anyone else.
October 23rd 2012 @ 8:08pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | October 23rd 2012 @ 8:08pm | Report comment
I agree and i have absolutely no problem with that,i don’t think most football fans care either.We seemed to have moved up to third now though when we’ve always been told “soccer” is the fourth most popular football code in this country and always will be.
October 23rd 2012 @ 10:12am
Fussball ist unser leben said | October 23rd 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
As an MVFC fan, it pains me to admit … WSW will be bigger off-field than my club. This team is going to be absolutely MASSIVE.
Whilst the MVFC supporter-base has a nice mixture of football lovers and “football is my 2nd sport after AFL”, from the passion I’ve observed in the stands, WSW’s supporter base is very much the … “FUßBALL IST UNSER LEBEN” crowd!
These supporters know the Game inside out. And, to really fuel the football passion there seems to be a real “geographical identity” created by the club, which gives fans a sense of “it’s our club”.
October 23rd 2012 @ 10:38am
Reynoldsinski said | October 23rd 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
I don’t think WSW will ever be bigger than MV or even bigger than SFC. I would call them a massive club when Parramatta stadium is too small for them, and I can’t see that ever being the case. In fact, I have been a bit disappointed in their support so far. They only got 10k for their opening match, whereas I thought the hype around the new team might have brought in double that.
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:09am
striker said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
Reynoldsinki gotta disagree what didnt help the club was the two incidents before the comp started would have scared a few people to the club, if you have a core supporter base of 10.500 in your first year id say this is a massive success which can only grow, the big thing here is that football peple are talking about the game once again and West Sydney are doing the right things in bringing the old supporters back to the game.
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:49am
whiskeymac said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
sfc had years to reach potential – they had the city to themselves for 7 seasons (and the the build up to the HAL), clashes with Beckhams’s Galaxy, some title winning seasons, forays into Asia (the Urawa game!) and a sprinkling of big names (Yorke, Miura, Carbone, juninho, Emerton, Carle), marketing of the big blue and really, no one but themselves to blame for not being bigger than they are – coach merry go rounds, boring style, inept and backstabbing admin…. they were their own worst enemies and rarely were able to get momentum on the opportunities flung their way.
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With WSW there is potential. Fresh opportunity to get it right, and with Gorman’s experience in starting up CCM as a grass roots club, they have experience guiding them too.
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I think SFC needed this club. They needed to be challenged in their monopoly and they now have the chance to differentiate themselves against a rival which is not only local (can of cant) but also hungry and out to prove a point. flamengo-fluminese springs to mind – and one of them already has the shirt.
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:04pm
NY said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
If you read the piece, it says about the potential in 10 years time. Not now. Of course the first year they will be happy with anything close to a 10,000 average. I agree with Fussball that a lot of people in Melbourne are theatregoers when it comes to sports, and AFL tends to be their number one. So Melbourne will always be hard to beat with crowds, because it tends to be a trend to attend sporting events there.
Western Sydney is different. People will eventually come over time. But they want to ensure everything is done correctly in running the club. When we do get big (hoping all goes well) we will be massive. The football fanatics are here in large numbers, as are people who are extremely tribal about the region. But everything needs be taken slowly. We’re still in the infant stage.
October 23rd 2012 @ 3:19pm
Reynoldsinski said | October 23rd 2012 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
Still in the infant stage, which is why it is too early to say they are going to be absolutely MASSIVE. The poor buggers haven’t even scored yet. Let’s just see them complete a couple of seasons first.
October 23rd 2012 @ 4:27pm
JamesP said | October 23rd 2012 @ 4:27pm | Report comment
“people in Melbourne are theatregoers when it comes to sports,”
Wrong.
People in Sydney are theatre goers. People in Melbourne regularly attend sport week in week out be it AFL, A-league, and even the Melbourne Storm get better crowds than some Sydney/NSW based NRL teams,
October 23rd 2012 @ 5:26pm
Titus said | October 23rd 2012 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
People in Sydney go and watch their local team, this is why WSW works and SFC have a slightly smaller average than The Victory.
Every AFL team plays in the city centre, people put on their sunday best and go and watch a game, mostly the big teams but who is playing isn’t so important, it’s about being Aussie and being part of the crowd.
It’s called being a theatre goer. 8 teams in Melbourne and only two home grounds, even the football teams share homegrounds.
October 23rd 2012 @ 5:33pm
Brewski said | October 23rd 2012 @ 5:33pm | Report comment
You are seriously deluded …LOL.
October 23rd 2012 @ 5:39pm
Titus said | October 23rd 2012 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
It would just send chills up my spine walking into the MCG and knowing it is the home of Collingwood, St Kilda, Richmond, Essendon, Western Bulldogs, Carlton, Melbourne, Hawthorne, North Melbourne and Australian Cricket…….kinda like Old Trafford but with the love spread over more teams.
October 23rd 2012 @ 5:41pm
Titus said | October 23rd 2012 @ 5:41pm | Report comment
……..that is, their home when they aren’t playing at home at Etihad……a home away from home as it were.
October 24th 2012 @ 1:04am
Kylesy said | October 24th 2012 @ 1:04am | Report comment
Actually, it’s a fair bit higher average at the moment for SFC over the Tards…
Melbourne = roughly 30,000
Sydney = 35,000
October 25th 2012 @ 11:50pm
Chino said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:50pm | Report comment
Ground rationalisation had been happening for years firstly with Richmond moving from Punt Road to the MCG in the late 60s and Hawthorn moving from Glenferrie to Princes Park. The fact of the matter was that the old suburban grounds were aging and many clubs needed larger grounds. The AFL decided it was more efficient to move all the clubs to two larger more modern stadiums then for each of the clubs to attempt to build or rebuild there own particularly since this was beyond the means of many if not close to all the teams. Some clubs did move earlier than the late 90s though for example Essendon voluntary moved from Windy Hill to the MCG in 1991. The main thing this has allowed though is that now most of the Melbourne based sides have larger crowds these days than their old suburban grounds could allow. As an Australian Football supporter this hasnt bothered me at all since a home ground has some sentimental value it is nothing compared to the pride in the team colours, teams premierships as well as the great players of the years passed. This hasnt seemed to have bothered many other fans either. Anyway the main problem with Victoria Park was completely boxed in leaving no room for the construction of larger grandstands parking and more facilities etc.
October 23rd 2012 @ 10:01pm
Bondy. said | October 23rd 2012 @ 10:01pm | Report comment
JamesP.
Your right with the storm and that .
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:28am
Kasey said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
As an AU fan I know quite a few of us can’t wait for the day that WSW > MBV. We particularly detest the sense of arrogant entitlement displayed by a few MBV fans along the lines of we’re the biggest club so things should go our way more often.
That said, if and when WSW get there, the Cross Border rivalry between AU and MBV will remain as important to the participant fan bases and as passionate as it currently is IMO.
October 23rd 2012 @ 2:18pm
mahonjt said | October 23rd 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
As an innaugural MVFC member I agree with you brother. It was my first thought when they were announced onder the FFA’s sponsorship. As a MVFC fan I am pleased that if any club were to be bigger than us (and that is still a bif “if”) then I am glad it was this one. Good luck to them in every respect except silverware……
October 25th 2012 @ 4:45am
The_Wookie said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:45am | Report comment
as rabid an AFL man as I may be, I find myself warming to Adelaide United in the off season.
On topic. theres plenty of promise in the Wanderers, and I hope they can keep the momentum going.
October 23rd 2012 @ 10:36am
rob said | October 23rd 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
I can see Scott McDonald there next year
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:53am
whiskeymac said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
It would be good to see him there but I can see a few people looking back to the HAL – a few names on the edge of teams like Brondby or kicking it about in lower divisions – and seeing Mooy getting a profile, ADP getting attention and crowds swelling.